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Next Class?

It's not just comic books that get retconned, sometimes comic book movies do too.

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Very good points. I would love to see Deadpool feature as a prominent character in a Marvel movie. I may not like Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, but his chipper, sarcastic acting method is perfect for Deadpool. He just needs a decent script.

i always feel sorry for Ryan Reynolds these days. He is a person who can do almost any hero you want him to. heck i think he could have done Hal Jordan. But twice now he's been mishandled by his superiors and his character's have been made by those ashamed of their origins yet tried to stuff as much continuity from those origins as they can into the movies.

Who knows maybe third times the charm?

funniest thing for a Deadpool movie: have Fury show up and then have Deapool literally punch him out of the frame saying "Keep your Avengers shit the FUCK outta my film!". The Deadpool movie should actually be a parody slamming on the stupid superhero and comic cliches that have been rampant in modern times as well as the past.

I read a really awesome rumor about the Deadpool script, written by the Zombieland guys, that would help with fixing the character. Essentially in the deadpool movie, he has seen Wolverine and complains about the way they screwed up his character.

RabidShihTzu23:
I read a really awesome rumor about the Deadpool script, written by the Zombieland guys, that would help with fixing the character. Essentially in the deadpool movie, he has seen Wolverine and complains about the way they screwed up his character.

Deadpool is a f*cking hard character to work with since different authors made different approaches with him. His identity is unknown (Alternating between the known Wade Wilson, and a clone - his true identity is unknown because of different authors), and his entire history is one giant clusterf*ck .The origins of his name revolve around a sadist prison guard, his powers due to cancer and wolverine. Read it, that shit is crazy.
And if you didn't pick it up earlier, I would buy three tickets to see that movie. Four times.

Need. Deadpool. Movie. Now.

Get on it Marvel. Seriously, fucking do it! I will promise to see it enough times for you to make a profit on it just in case no-one else does if I have to.

I agreed with you the moment his casting was announced, Bob: Reynolds would be perfect as Deadpool. His five minutes onscreen was the only good thing about the Wolverine movie. I just hope Green Lantern doesn't sink Deadpool from the get-go.

Who has the rights to Deadpool, anyway? Fox, or is he back in Marvel/Disney's hands?

All these ideas about a Deadpool movie sound awful.

Also, I wouldn't be soo excited about the inconsistencies to X3 and Xo:W Bob, as there are also inconsistencies with X1 and X2. I think it is gonna be best for everyone if we just let each movie stand on it's own merits, independent of the others.

And heck, maybe all the "space stuff" oughtn't be as verboten as it once was.

I really hope this doesn't happen. The whole reason (well, one of the reasons) I prefer comic movies to the actual books is because they tend to strip the characters and stories back to their essentials. This is also why I'm not particularly looking forward to the Avengers movie.

As for whether First Class invalidates anything that's come before- honestly, it's so vastly superior to the other X Men films I'd prefer them to just treat it as a complete reboot and continue from where it left off as if the first four movies never happened.

Good ideas, but I will disagree a little about the ending of First Class. I felt they ended the alliance between Charles and Erik way too soon. Even ignoring some of the other movies, those two should have been friends for years, making the break between them that much more dramatic. Instead, they knew each other for what, a few months at best, before going their separate ways? Didn't really carry the emotional impact it could have. I would have rather seen this movie sow the seeds for their "breakup" and left the actual event to a sequel.

Agreed! I've been preaching this exact same thing to my friends. I said they should have done a different movie first, and made the events of First Class the second movie. We find out about Erik, even have him hunting down the Nazis, but he doesn't find and confront Shaw until the second film.

I like this movie, but I think they tried to cover/setup too much in a single film.

@Tom Soltis "I failed to see where X-Men first class deletes the Wolverine moive. The whole thing about seeing Xavier walking in that movie could be him playing with the viewers mind since we know he is able to do that."

- In the Wolverine movie, Wolverine rescues Emma Frost, the young girl that turns her skin to diamonds. She is Wolverine's girlfriend's sister. He rescued her when she was a teen, and she joined Professor X at the end of the movie.

In first class, Professor X didn't know other mutants existed until he read Moira's mind and witnessed her memory of Emma Frost turning to diamond inside the Hellfire club. According to the Wolverine movie, Professor X knew her when she was a teen. According to first class, he didn't meet her until she was an adult.

As much as I love Deadpool I would be cautious about how to do a movie. He is a funny character yes, but his most defining feature of breaking the 4th wall is just a difficult thing to write for. Hell, I can only think of a handful of movies and TV shows that have attempted it and fewer that have done it successfully. He worked well in Wolverine just because he was the comic relief....for 5 minutes. I could be happy with him being the comic relief again. I am curious how they would market a Deadpool movie too.

Crimson_Dragoon:
Good ideas, but I will disagree a little about the ending of First Class. I felt they ended the alliance between Charles and Erik way too soon. Even ignoring some of the other movies, those two should have been friends for years, making the break between them that much more dramatic. Instead, they knew each other for what, a few months at best, before going their separate ways? Didn't really carry the emotional impact it could have. I would have rather seen this movie sow the seeds for their "breakup" and left the actual event to a sequel.

My first thought after watching First Class was "Why didn't they set it up for a sequal?" While I thought the ending was great and the paralyzing of Charles to be a masterstroke, I also think it came a film too soon. They should have finished it with them still friends, but less trusting and Magneto hiding the Helmet (yes it deserves the capital) and a second film having an event happen which causes a split as they go about solving it in their own way. An oppotunity wasted, but hopefully there will still be a sequal as the cast was great and deseve more work.

And speaking of deserving more work, someone sign Ryan Reynolds up for a Deadpool film now! Never read the comics, but the character sounds fun and Mr Reynolds really needs more exposure. He's been stuck in Rom-Com land for far too long.

Aiddon:
funniest thing for a Deadpool movie: have Fury show up and then have Deapool literally punch him out of the frame saying "Keep your Avengers shit the FUCK outta my film!".

[clapping] Graate!

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Angel in the sequel.

So according to IMDB, X-Men FC is now officially a reboot. They probably kept as much intact as possible not to confuse people, but sometimes during production they decided not to make this a prequel, thus not being bound to fit the script with any of the other movies. There are actually a few continuity errors from the first to movies to, which seems to support this.
Frankly, I support this. This means they can bring back the classic characters sooner, and not having to fit another movie in continuity with both future and past events.
But great article otherwise. However, while I don't have anything against them introducing magic, non X-men superheroes should stay away. It just gets weird if everyone hates mutants but love spiderman for some reason.

It slams a lot of the original quadrilogy's continuity.

Wolverine's cameo ignores the fact that in x-men he didn't know Xavier (fair enough, his memory loss is a major characteristic) but Xavier had no clue who he was either.

Beast negates the world X2 created because he was human looking in that.

It changes a lot of what we knew of Mystique. You think she'd be somewhat sympathetic to Xavier in x-men. He had hurt her and they had conflicting views, but if anything she should be far more respectful to Xavier than magneto was. Instead she seemed to have very little interest in him at best and regarded him as an enemy at worst.

Havok is Cyclops' brother but goes unmentioned in the other movies.

All of those can be explained away pretty easily except Beast. But they're still things that require an explanation in order to show these things happened in the same reality. I for one hope they don't connect them. That way we can also get a decent Sabretooth, Mystique and Azazel can be Nightcrawler's parents, among other things.

Now I wish they'd hurry up and use Apocalypse.

I definitely think there'll be a sequel to FC, but I'm hoping (and doubting) that it's gonna ignore all the other movies as well and make it's own continuity. I'm hoping for all the stuff you mentioned, as well as all 3 Summers brothers.
And we need a deadpool movie!

MovieBob:
MovieBob: Next Class?

It's not just comic books that get retconned, sometimes comic book movies do too.

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Wouldn't it be awesome if Deadpool starts his movie by saying "You know that other movie I was in? Yeah thats not how it went" then pan to Deadpool showing how awesome he is and beat up Wolverine?

We all know Deadpools Ego could do that :P

RedEyesBlackGamer:
Very good points. I would love to see Deadpool feature as a prominent character in a Marvel movie. I may not like Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan, but his chipper, sarcastic acting method is perfect for Deadpool. He just needs a decent script.

Couldnt agree more...

But I have to put more stuff to prevent being hit with a low content post warning...

God knows though that half of what they could do for Deadpool would be considered taboo in other movies (massive breaking, hell, demolishing of the forth wall.)

tdylan:
@Tom Soltis "I failed to see where X-Men first class deletes the Wolverine moive. The whole thing about seeing Xavier walking in that movie could be him playing with the viewers mind since we know he is able to do that."

- In the Wolverine movie, Wolverine rescues Emma Frost, the young girl that turns her skin to diamonds. She is Wolverine's girlfriend's sister. He rescued her when she was a teen, and she joined Professor X at the end of the movie.

In first class, Professor X didn't know other mutants existed until he read Moira's mind and witnessed her memory of Emma Frost turning to diamond inside the Hellfire club. According to the Wolverine movie, Professor X knew her when she was a teen. According to first class, he didn't meet her until she was an adult.

According to the comics, they didn't meet until she was an adult either, so I'm going to side with First Class. Of course, she wasn't originally able to turn into her diamond form either, but that's a long story. It's about five minutes long catching up with just her backstory. It might make a good Big Picture, but there's a LOT of weird history for that.

Pretty sure Strykers age also wipes out X2. He looked ten years older in 1962 than he did 40 years later.

There's this one scene in First class where Xavier uses the first model of cerebro, and he sees what is basically a younger version of Storm, so that's another continuity mistake, cus she's like 9 or 10 in that scene, in 1962.

The Stryker in FC is not William Stryker. He's William's father. Charles says to him something to the effect of "You were thinking about your son, William, during my presentation." He doesn't mention William's age.

Alluos:
There's this one scene in First class where Xavier uses the first model of cerebro, and he sees what is basically a younger version of Storm, so that's another continuity mistake, cus she's like 9 or 10 in that scene, in 1962.

Was Daredevil in there too? I remember seeing a lad with dark shades and a baseball glove and couldn't figure if it was Daredevil or Cyclops (if it was intended to be anyone).

I think Apocalypse is too big to use in just the second movie. He's one of the penultimate world threats. How are the newly form X-men supposed to take on him? And if they do, and then ultimately defeat him, where do they go from there? The "rookie" X-Men took out Apocalypse. What villain would pose a viable challenge to them after that? I'd avoid him altogether. He's just too big a villain. Unless they did some crappy, dumbed down version that was "Apocalypse in name only," and then what's the point? They still will have ruined the character because they've tied his name to some generic bad guy.

It's the same way they handle Juggernaut in the third film. That was NOT Juggernaut. But fans demanded him so they thought "let's give them what they want." Bad idea. That's what gave us Elektra in the daredevil movie, Venom in Spiderman 3, and a bunch of throwaway mutants in X-Men 3. Did we really need Angel in there? Honestly? WTH did he accomplish that had to be done by him, and no one else? "Catch his father after he was thrown from a rooftop," that's what! Because super powered mutants couldn't think of a better way to kill the man that created the cure for mutation than taking him all the way to a rooftop, just to drop him off?

I think if you get to hung up about what does and does not match up with previous films, you'll go crazy. The canonisity of any event in the previous X-films rests on the director of the next film.

Unless they were written at the same time as the first film, most sequels end up conflicting with their predecessor(s) and that goes double for prequels. You either let it go or it ruins everything.

Side note, I hope Ryan Reynolds has another crack at getting Hal Jordan right before giving him over to the (almost certainly awful) Deadpool spin-off.

Reading this makes me want to see X-men first class again, it was such a good film with a great ending that as you say moviebob, ties everything together with what we already know whilst doing it unexpectedly. Mainly though the story and acting was just really good and it's definitely right next to the Dark Knight as far as superhero movies go.

Since we are on the subject of spoilers, here's an idea for next week's column:
Why Green Lantern sucks: Round Two.
This one doesn't come out in Mexico until August so I'd rather have it all spelled out for me now before then.

You know what would be cool? If they do make a First Class sequel, wouldn't it be fun if Wolverine gets to hang out with Xavier?? Assuming that as of FC he still hasn't had his memory erased, that is.

Well the one flaw in all of Bob's reasoning is that there's no reason they couldn't have Professor X and Magneto set aside their differences and work together for awhile. It's pretty much the oldest plot in the superhero book.

First of all, the ending to this movie was the worst part, since it took elements that should have had their own movie reserved to building up and rushed them out the gate in the last ten minutes. Magneto's "join me brothers!" speech literally comes out of no where with no build up to that point. The two friends falling out should have had at least half a movie devoted to it, since this one barely established their friendship, and on top of that Raven joining Magneto was absolute bullshit as well. "Oh, dearest brother who has just been crippled by the guy who fucked me once, I shall now abandon you and for some reason beyond human understanding you are OK with this. Later bitches!"

Seriously, if this had been a lesser film the ending would have completely ruined it.

Second, I see how Wolverine Origins is erased (it's been established by the creators that they considered it non-canon long ago when they were talking about doing a Deadpool movie) but I don't see the logical leap to X3 being erased. It comes off as wishful thinking on Bob's part. The little flashback beginning is erased, yes, but that hardly means the whole movie is being ignored. I'm not asking Bob to be objective or anything, since I think people who decry critics for being subjective are f&!#ing stupid, but try to keep fanboy yearning out of logical analysis. He just made a video (the Green Lantern Big Picture ones) about how fanboy bitching is a force for ill, so this comes off a slightly hypocritical to jump to the conclusion that a movie he doesn't like no longer counts just.... because!

Still bummed that Gambit still hasn't been in any of the movies.

Yeah I don't count Origins, no one does.

randomfox:
on top of that Raven joining Magneto was absolute bullshit as well. "Oh, dearest brother who has just been crippled by the guy who fucked me once, I shall now abandon you and for some reason beyond human understanding you are OK with this. Later bitches!"

I agree with the rest of your post (although I understood why they did things differently: in this business, you can't just put half the work out there and keep some for the next movie, when the next movie might be made by someone else and ruined. Ideally, First Class would have been divided into two movies, the first one setting things and ending with a small argument between Charles and Erik, but them staying allied, and the second movie would have developed their friendship more (right now they seem to have barely spent any time together, despite how emotionally charged some of these times were) and have the bigger fallout) but not with this.

It seemed clear to me in the movie from the start, except the very first scene they have together, that Charles doesn't get Raven. He just doesn't. And she's frustrated by it, but she has no one else at that point.
Then she finds someone who accepts her, gets her, and likes her the way she is. It's absolutely not far fetched that she'd go with him, although it's made worse by the fact all the rest was rushed around that point too. It would have worked better in the "First Class is two movies" scenario if she was noticeably more on Erik's side by the end of the first movie, and left with him during the second one.

But as I said, I get why they did it that way. It's a bit of a "put everything in there so nobody else can ruin it" that causes the movie to be less amazing than it could have been, but we don't live in a perfect world and it's a damn good movie as it is.

Or it was just an over sight and you (Movie Bob) is just having a misguided nerdgasm of hope.

However I feel like if Wolverine Origins is canon is the movies....Deadpool should still be redone and we should all just pretend that thing CALLED Deadpool just never existed. I dont think anyone would complain.

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