Jimquisition: Accountability

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I need to stop doing a standing ovation of just me at the end of every episode.

I can tolerate having multiple accounts for gaming services, what I cannot is the need to log into different services for one game!
I still remember when GTA IV came out and I was expected to log in to both GFWL AND Rockstar Social Network, and that's for the boxed version.
A similar case is with EA becoming more and more of a control freak: Why do EA games require separate logins for games purchased online? I bought Dragon Age through Steam so why couldn't I simply log in and get my DLCs downloaded and authorized through them?
In an ideal situation this could have been unnoticed but while Steam seems functional 99% of the time, the other services don't seems as reliable (EA and Ubisoft).

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some very good and very valid points this time around so kudos to you jim.

Reminds me of an article I read about a year and a half ago.

Why do publishers/developer have to screw with such a simple process? I give you money, you give me the game, we all win.

But no, that was too damn simple and nice. They just had to fuck with it until it got to a point where features that were standard with a game are now used as a sales pitch.

Fucking hell.

I'll be damned if Jim Sterling isn't slowly winning over the Escapist community.

'Vitamins' with a long 'I'? I thought most Britons pronounced 'vitamins' with a short 'I'?

Anyway, interesting episode and your visual presentation is improving. I haven't run into any of the problems you've talked about and still get along fairly well gaming wise. Maybe I just don't play the type of games affected by these practices.

WaaghPowa:
holy shit, I actually agree with him on this part.

First: if console games are about picking up and playing, why is there so many steps? Patching, installing, accounts, subscriptions etc. It's turning into PC gaming, and I expect at some point that the publishers will force entering serial codes at some point.

Second: DRM, yes, treating us like criminals is not the best way to go about business

Publishers are starting to think they're hot shit. They think they can abuse the consumers and the producers without any backlash. Used games, Let's plays, Walkthoughs, Speed-Runs all allow people to get into "their" product. It's a fucking shame that publishers that do nothing in terms of making games besides passing out money have so much power over everything. Punishing people that didn't have enough money or didn't hear about the game soon enough so that can't get that Day 1 DLC that's on the fucking disk or they'll have to pay before they can play online or download any DLC. DRM making things pointlessly hard. Killing well made fan made games based off their content yet allowing the bad ones to stay around.

Publishers should be lucky a majority of people simply just want to play game and will just go through hoops to enjoy "your" content. While the minority will most like run down the people that gave the green light to adding 2-5 barriers before somebody can properly enjoy your game. Publisher's needs to learn it's about US not THEM also give some proper kickback to the guys that made you lazy fucks rich in the first place.

Well shit, this is the first video where I agreed with every single thing he's said, but I guess it would bound to happen.

It's getting ridiculous with how many accounts I have for gaming let alone for everything else, but I think gaming is the worst. It irritates me that I can't play a damn game right away all because the server was down for some account that I signed up for that I never thought would get in the way of me playing the damn game, and waiting for it to come back up so I can play the damn game.

Nice pot shot at the haters at the end Jim, I laughed hysterically.

Well, it's better than the previous Jimquisitions, but it still seemed rather disjointed, like the first half didn't seem to put its points in any particular order or build up to an insightful point or solution.

It got better towards the end, but then it was tarnished by that insufferable play-acting-smugness that basically says, "I'm going to pretend to take myself seriously and make a huge deal out of the fact that I'm pretending to deflect criticism... isn't that funny? It's funny, right? Seriously, LOOK HOW FUNNY AND OVER-THE-TOP AND WACKY I AM!!1!!!!"

Hit the nail right on head with this one Jim. Also where do you sign up for your subscription? I want me a fridge magnet :P

Fuck publisher specific subscriptions, nothing has ruined a multiplayer service faster for me than me requiring another username and password on top of my psn account. I'm looking at you Konami.

And on used games, publishers if you want me to buy your games first hand then you better make damn sure it's worth the 40 asking price because if it is I'll buy first hand. If it isn't it either gets bought used or not at all, either way you don't get any money.

vivster:
probably the worst bit on gaming i've seen on the escapist ever
it's like you sat down and let "enraged random commentator #378539" write the script for you

there are a lot of good reasons for every single thing you criticized
some are inevitable and some are a more or less useful trend

or in short:
since none of those big publishers had to close down by now it doesn't seem to concern a big enough amount of people

Single biggest facepalm I've ever done at the expense of a post. Did you just post so that you could state you hate Jimquisition? Because you could have just said that.

I was going to rant at you, but I don't think you'd care anyway so I'll simplify my original thoughts: The publishers aren't out of business because they make millions of dollars publishing games, not because "The public doesn't care enough to close them down". (Edited last line here to make more grammatical sense.)

In an ideal world, do you really think EA would still exist after: Crushing and buying out other publishers/developers; Working employees for up to 100 hours a week (NOT at "crunch time"); Publishing five games since 2005 that have received average reviews over 89%-90% (Hint: They've published well over 130 games in the last six years); Draconian DRM in Spore and C&C: Red Alert 3, and requiring a constant internet connection at all times to play the single-player in Darkspore; And all of their terrible ad campaigns for Dead Space 2, Dante's Inferno, and Medal of Honor?

Jimquisition+ sounds great (almost too good to be true), however when you said "40 Bucks a month", is that 40 Dollars or 40 Pounds Sterling?

I'm pleased that the first 5 comments aren't "Who's this cocky douche?" anymore.

Good episode, you mixed your points well with your acting.

And he's absolutely right. Even my Steam account -- run by Valve, ostensibly the good guys -- won't do anything on my laptop because I can't get my damn password recognized. (Yes, I logged off from my PC. Yes, I used the right password. Please don't try to diagnose me, I don't really care that much.)

Playing Borderlands online requires a GameSpy ID, which means they have your email, name, and so forth. I have never used GameSpy before or since, but it was chained to that game. There was no way to bypass except LAN.

I went through all the SecuROM bullshit -- other software being blocked (bye-bye, antivirus!), refusing to recognize the legitimate disc, and a host of other issues -- to play BioShock.

I don't have quite the list of memberships Jim does, but I am, shall we say, well versed in giving my personal information to complete strangers to do something I already paid to do.

I avoid map packs, premium memberships, and DLC like the plague. I can see the potential for doing that kind of thing instead of making sequels, but it hasn't been for me. This is at least partially due to DLC for games I care about being rated far less favorably than the games themselves. It strikes me as, "Here's a bunch of stuff that wasn't good enough to make it into the game. All the fat and gristle we trimmed away? We saved it, and we think you'll pay twenty bucks for it!"

This series is climbing from "mildly amusing rant" to something genuinely incisive and wonderfully sarcastic. Good show, Jimbo!

That was pretty good....mostly because it was full on truth.

Jim, last generation had a subscription service, it was Xbox Live in it's early days.

My refrigerator has a wooden front...I don't feel I'd be getting the full value of J+.

This is the perfect counter towards Extra Credits "Crowning Moment of Suck" episode. (They called the "Consoles are the New Coin-Op" episode.)

This is why Digital Distribution will lead to the second video game crash. People are too busy trying to stick it to Gamestop that they don't realize that they are in fact just sticking it to themselves.

To hell with Digital Distribution! I'd rather see it die, then see it kill the video game industry.

Thrust:
Jim, last generation had a subscription service, it was Xbox Live in it's early days.

Was early Xbox Live required to play the single player? No.

Was early Xbox Live the only method of playing multiplayer? No.

The formula was simple. Give money, get game. That's it.
Why the hell are people so determined to screw that formula up?

Thrust:
Jim, last generation had a subscription service, it was Xbox Live in it's early days.

Steam was also last generation, as well as Gamespy being last generation.

What had me Jimpressed was the fact that he managed to announce Jimquisition + with a straight face.

Sylocat:
"I'm going to pretend to take myself seriously and make a huge deal out of the fact that I'm pretending to deflect criticism... isn't that funny? It's funny, right? Seriously, LOOK HOW FUNNY AND OVER-THE-TOP AND WACKY I AM!!1!!!!"

Can you blame him? Yahtzee got famous -- or as famous as the niche audience allows -- doing essentially the same thing. You can accuse Jim of being unoriginal but you can't say he doesn't know what works.

Heh, heh, heh! I'm a fan of yours Jim, despite your use of... blurry stock photos, but I guess that's part of the charm.

Keep up the good work.

Good job Jim

You hit it right on the head

I also liked your bit about used games.

All in all, well done.

TheDooD:

WaaghPowa:
holy shit, I actually agree with him on this part.

First: if console games are about picking up and playing, why is there so many steps? Patching, installing, accounts, subscriptions etc. It's turning into PC gaming, and I expect at some point that the publishers will force entering serial codes at some point.

Second: DRM, yes, treating us like criminals is not the best way to go about business

Publishers are starting to think they're hot shit. They think they can abuse the consumers and the producers without any backlash. Used games, Let's plays, Walkthoughs, Speed-Runs all allow people to get into "their" product. It's a fucking shame that publishers that do nothing in terms of making games besides passing out money have so much power over everything. Punishing people that didn't have enough money or didn't hear about the game soon enough so that can't get that Day 1 DLC that's on the fucking disk or they'll have to pay before they can play online or download any DLC. DRM making things pointlessly hard. Killing well made fan made games based off their content yet allowing the bad ones to stay around.

Publishers should be lucky a majority of people simply just want to play game and will just go through hoops to enjoy "your" content. While the minority will most like run down the people that gave the green light to adding 2-5 barriers before somebody can properly enjoy your game. Publisher's needs to learn it's about US not THEM also give some proper kickback to the guys that made you lazy fucks rich in the first place.

We are getting exactly what we deserved.

Have you seen how boycotts work? Yeah, I know only one time when a boycott was successful - Universe at War - otherwise the ones boycotting the game are playing it on day 1. Soon will have the CoD "Elite" and not long after that every game will have some form of subscription and people will buy it. The majority doesn't care, somehow they don't give a fuck and when the accountants start counting they realize that if they cater to those who do they realize they'll be at a lost.

No, all the DRM, all the DLC, every single log-in requirment and pre-order bonus ( just look around the escapist, poeple believe that pre-order bonuses are a good thing and not a cheap cash-grab ) and all those "elite" services that'll come in a few years is EXACTLY what we deserve.

How do I sign up to J+?

Liked it, but could you please comb your hair a little man?

Having recently been hit with some mmo grief, I can, at least in part, provide an answer as to "why" this happens. I think the first catalyst was the economic downturn which started in the latter half of the last decade and hit the entertainment industries before everything else. They're the easiest to shelve in times of austerity and it saw lots of small movie, tv and game studios go into bankruptcy or being bought over for much cheapness by their bigger brothers.

What we ended up with is a very polarised industry where some people did certain things very well. Enter Steam and downloadable games became "their thing". Microsoft went with XBox Live, Zynga owned the web platform and various other companies specialising in making lots of cash doing one specific thing. Then things changed.

We demanded more interaction between our platforms. YouTube that last teabagging in CoD? We have a plug in for that, want to compare scores in Team Fortress? We have an app for that. So the download content, development of in-game content and ability to weave these things in with other popular apps came into being, but dealing with seperate companies who all want to earn their slice of the pie. Enter the lawyers...

Since no-one trusts anyone when it comes to big business, the simplest thing to do is take a game and carve up the various elements of it and farm it out to the various companies that specialise in that section of gameplay. Since each is accountable to itself and whatever overarching company ties it all together, each have accounting mechanisms for their section and, due to data protection, have to have security around their slice of the pie. Thus we end up with multiple accounts, multiple varieties of password security (and therefore different passwords) and a lot of very unhappy gamers.

To tie this all together again would involve the industry standardising on their security and possibly having to reject certain partners for not keeping to the parent company's security standards. It's a LOT of money and a lot of work to sort these kinds of issues out. Been there, done that and really don't wanna do it again and it wasn't even a gaming company with millions of demanding customers!

One solution is for the parent company to provide a WAN which the subsidiary companies can tap into and centralise all the elements of a single game so that it's a single sign on for all game content, but that would mean the parent company would bear the brunt of the costs setting those up and we all know how generous AAA companies are...

Still, most of the contributors to The Escapist have made comments about this issue and the fan backlash is always severe, vaclising how unhappy you all are with the hassle involved in just getting to the game content. We can only hope that some bright spark in a AAA company wakes up and tries a new kind of partnership with all the pilot fish companies that feed off it's games and comes up with a solution that suits everyone. Sad to say, but I think this one if the hands of the lawyers to sort out... :(

Sign me up Jim! It sounds like a more worthy subscription than most of the others I'm tied down to paying!

Amazing how easy it is to criticize a field you don't work in.

It's pretty easy Jim. If you don't like jumping through hoops, then stop jumping hoops.

Games have suffered before due to garbage the maker has tacked on. Make these ones suffer too.

"But I.... blah blah blah"

No, just stop. If you buy the game, if you buy the extra crap, and/or if you pay for a subscription, you are paying them to do this to you. If you pay for products like this it doesn't matter what you say. You are paying them to keep doing as they are. All they hear is "blah blah blah blah here's my money blah blah".

If you truely do hate the crap, but must play the game, then just wait until it's selling for $15-$20.

Aerograt:
I demand no one else enter the Jim + contest, that deep Jimpressable kiss is totally mine.

Screw you, I want that kiss.

I want a fridge magent. Can I buy one seperately?

Shoggoth2588:
Welcome back Jim! I'm ignostic so instead of thanking God I'll join J+ in the hopes that you continue telling Galactus that this planet is inedible.

Spelling Agnostic wrong? Fun times! Decent video Jim. You still are not funny but you did have good points.

gCrusher:

topwomble:
I'm not goin to say first. Good vid

I think you may have failed. I see it in there.

I'm afraid I'm not being enlightened or humored by Jim. Thankfully, I'm not the only one who matters on the site.

Yeah, everyone knows Jim is the only one that matters.
But fair enough. It certainly isn't the sort of comedy that suits everyone.

Reminds me of a conversations I had with my brother once.

Me: I still don't like the Wii's online service. I mean you need to enter a 12 digit password every time you want to add your friends.

Brother: Well at least I don't need to enter a 12 digit password every time I want to play a new game.

bdcjacko:
Is there a way I can pay money to make sure I don't win the kissing contest with him?

Pretty sure you have to suck someone off to get around that clause.

OT: Totally agree. Having to sign into arbitrary accounts for no reason just so companies can pretend they're maintaining control is fucking annoying.

Unless you can come up with something as good as Steamworks, fuck off.

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