Jimquisition: Nintendo of America

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Zhukov:
Advocacy of piracy, albeit under rather specific conditions, from an editor-approved Escapist video.

Huh. I haven't seen that happen before.

They did a similar thing on extra credits, if you can't buy the game then download it, however as i don't own a wii I don't know if its region system locked or like the ps3.

the spud:

-Dragmire-:

the spud:
Wow. Nintendo can be pricks.

They did the same thing with earthbound and the rest of the Mother series. They won't even release earthbound on the virtual console, due to fairly minor legal reasons. Maybe its time they grow some balls.

There were actual legal reasons? I heard fans of the game were translating it but I'm not sure if they completed it.

Anyway, wow that was quite some dichishness coming from nintendo america. I wonder if they're waiting to release those games as wiiu exclusives to spur initial sales with the hardcore crowd.

There were several music loops in earthbound that closely resembled other songs from people like the beatles and whatnot. Nintendo didn't want to risk a lawsuit. The thing is, several other nintendo games have had tracks similiar to others and they have been rereleased several times without legal reprocussion.

wow, that's a lame reason. I imagine they have a crapload of unused midi music too that they could replace it with.

I'd like to take the opportunity to remind everyone that Operation Rainfall isn't done yet, and they're about to start their letter writing campaign in a matter of days. If Europe and Australia are getting these games, NOA is going to feel the pressure. If you want these games, I highly suggest you join us. Personally, I'm going to do everything I can to help the cause until Nintendo gives us the games, or gives us a legitimate reason why they can't release them. Their list of excuses is running thin.

I largely agree with this with this. It doesn't make any sense.

You really need some higher res videos in your episode Jim.

Other than that, I enjoyed this weeks rant.

Fuck Nintendo of America.

JoshGod:

Zhukov:
Advocacy of piracy, albeit under rather specific conditions, from an editor-approved Escapist video.

Huh. I haven't seen that happen before.

They did a similar thing on extra credits, if you can't buy the game then download it, however as i don't own a wii I don't know if its region system locked or like the ps3.

Ah yes, I remember that. Thanks for the reminder.

Still, it's odd to see. Usually the Escapist is utterly opposed to piracy in every form. And probably with good reason.

I stopped giving Nintendo my money when the SNES died. I have never regretted this, and I doubt I ever will.

SupahGamuh:
F**k you Nintendo.

Yeah, I said it. I bought every single of their consoles ever since the NES and even bought every single of their handhelds, plus some of their re-releases, like the GameBoy Pocket (wich is MUCH better than the brick GB IMO), and I was even proud of owning a Wii and heck, I'm proud of the library I made about great Wii titles, BUT, not localizing a game that's already localized and not releasing 3 insanely wanted titles here on America seems like a dick move on anyone's book standards.

It seems like Nintendo are a bunch of trolls.

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Yes Nintendo. We are mad.

I think they either just don't like their American fans, or their just that dumb. These are the people that thought; "We need someone to makeover Samus from Metroid, but who? Oh, I know! Team Ninja! The jiggle physics guys, they get women, right?"

Nintendo Fans. I admire your dedication.

For shame Nintendo of America. For shame.

I really wanted The Last Story as well. Makes me sad that it's not coming here :(

What's up with the horrible sound and quality of the videoclips Jim ?
I had to turn up the sound of my laptop and the video player all the way to the max to even understand you.

Other then that, I totally agree with you on nintendo beeing dicks.

I'm a capitalist, so I support a company being able to make money for providing a product or service people want. However, what if a company simply doesn't want to make a particular product available in a certain area for no particular reason? Really, every instinct in my captitalist brain says that not localizing a game that a particular market wants is staggeringly stupid.

Do you know what causes black markets to appear? They spring up when a particular market is denied a product or service that people within that market want, and are willing to go to great lengths to get. Usually these arise when governments decide to interfere with the market by making something illegal, like alcohol or violent video games. And when that happens, there will usually be people willing to spend a larger amount of money and put themselves in danger of violence or legal trouble to get their hands on the banned product.

But if a company simply has no interest in making a game available in a certain region, for not apparent reason other than maybe not wanting to profit from this endevour? Well, a bad decision like that deserves consequences. If they don't want it in North America by way of people buying it, they ought not to mind if people pirate the shit out of it. After all, Nintendo of America evidently doesn't want to profit from this game, so what are they losing?

Personally, I think they should just let people import the game freely. The people could get the games they want, and Nintendo could still get some money from European sales. And then maybe they'll realize how much we want it over here, and localize it for the people who don't want to gut their Wiis.

And then maybe pigs will fly from my Wii and give better motion control. And a second Wiimote, because those bastards are expensive.

Stall:
I'm sorry, but this is just pathetic. Okay, so you don't agree with a business decision they made. That's fine, but there is no need to be an immature prick about it. I'm sorry that you've just now arrived at the crushing realization that Nintendo isn't in the game to be your BFF, and actually tend to do their own things with the intent of what would be best for the company and shareholders because the entire rasion d'etre of a corporation is to maximize profits for the shareholders: NOT to make you happy and be your BFF. Odds say NDA didn't do this out of spite: they had a legitmate reason for not bring these games over.

Sometimes Jim Sterling can make a good point, but this episode is just beyond pathetic. It's like a little kid getting mad about realizing that gaming companies aren't our friends. Be a god damn realist about this, would you?

He cited sources pretty much confirming it would be impossible for them to lose money, it would take very little effort, and it would help sell their new console.

Nintendo isn't in this for business and money if it won't release good games.

He never once mentioned them being friends, he said they were retarded for believing it is a positive decision to not release these games and I agree because if Fatal Frame 4 hadn't been held back I would have spent a thousand dollars on their games instead of Sony's.
They don't release good games though so I don't want this console, I don't want their next console.

Frostbite3789:
They're cocky. Why do they need to lead into the release of the Wii U strongly? The Wii made unreal amounts of money. They don't feel the need to actually do anything more. They know the Wii U will sell stupid amounts too.

Why the hell would I want a WiiU or 3DS? I don't need a reason to go 3DS, and I don't see anything that seems to be worth my while to get a WiiU.

So, I don't really care about it at all.

Zhukov:
Advocacy of piracy, albeit under rather specific conditions, from an editor-approved Escapist video.

Huh. I haven't seen that happen before.

It's been done by Extra Credits under... the exact same set of circumstances, how odd.

Fronzel:
Do I detect a satire of MovieBob's always-uncritical fellating of Mario's mushroom?

Well, I think he did call them out on not giving games to countries other than Japan a few times on his shows. It was about that Earthbound game I think, but I think he would be with Jim about this whole thing. I'm not even a Nintendo gamer and I'm quite mad about this crap.

Whoops, wrong thread... nothing to see here.

EDIT: (I feel obligated to type something more now)

Fun Fact About Me: Nintendo is the only reoccurring console I have never bought. This doesn't help change that.

Considering how much money the Wii has made and how many were sold in USA you think they would consider this a major market to sell to. Especially as most Wii games are shovel ware and funs would eargerly rush up and buy quality titles for once. If they can release the games in the UK then i would have thought that would have to have been more of a pain to add new language and convert to PAL than it would if they released it in USA. Thats why ive never bought a Nintindo console and why i hate there game characters and boring games. They just want to keep re selling the same games to you again and again with each new console. Who wants another Mario or Zelda game when there is all these other fairly new and original titles that are not being released?

-Dragmire-:
There were actual legal reasons? I heard fans of the game were translating it but I'm not sure if they completed it.

Nintendo has never stated why they aren't porting Earthbound. The fan speculation has only come up with the fact that many songs in Earthbound are heavily influenced by (read: nearly rip-offs of) several English-language songs. However, Nintendo has refused to comment.

I can understand some shyness regarding Earthbound; they advertized the hell out of the game when it was released in the US but it was a horrible ad campaign. I should have been the target of their advertizing but the game looked for the world like it was trying to out gross-out Boogerman. The result was that the game was purchased by people who didn't like it and ignored by those who would. Naturally, NOA couldn't say "we wasted or exorbitant ad budget" so they decided "people don't like JRPGs" in the same year Chrono Trigger was released.

Jim Sterling, you sir are now my personal hero.

Bluecho:
I'm a capitalist, so I support a company being able to make money for providing a product or service people want. However, what if a company simply doesn't want to make a particular product available in a certain area for no particular reason? Really, every instinct in my captitalist brain says that not localizing a game that a particular market wants is staggeringly stupid.

Do you know what causes black markets to appear? They spring up when a particular market is denied a product or service that people within that market want, and are willing to go to great lengths to get. Usually these arise when governments decide to interfere with the market by making something illegal, like alcohol or violent video games. And when that happens, there will usually be people willing to spend a larger amount of money and put themselves in danger of violence or legal trouble to get their hands on the banned product.

But if a company simply has no interest in making a game available in a certain region, for not apparent reason other than maybe not wanting to profit from this endevour? Well, a bad decision like that deserves consequences. If they don't want it in North America by way of people buying it, they ought not to mind if people pirate the shit out of it. After all, Nintendo of America evidently doesn't want to profit from this game, so what are they losing?

Personally, I think they should just let people import the game freely. The people could get the games they want, and Nintendo could still get some money from European sales. And then maybe they'll realize how much we want it over here, and localize it for the people who don't want to gut their Wiis.

And then maybe pigs will fly from my Wii and give better motion control. And a second Wiimote, because those bastards are expensive.

The more I think about it, the more I think they'll come as WII U exclusives. Demand for the game is obviously there and content WII gamers will be busy playing them during WII U's initial release, lowering console sales.

What better way to sell a new system than with a lineup of games that people have openly said they're guaranteed to buy? I don't imagine they want another release like the 3DS that had a small not so great game lineup.

Feylynn:

He cited sources pretty much confirming it would be impossible for them to lose money, it would take very little effort, and it would help sell their new console.

What sources? A graph showing trends? Do you honestly believe Nintendo doesn't know that? Do you seriously think companies are just blistering retards, and fans know much more about their MO and profits than they do? Nintendo KNEW about those trends... I promise you. It's not like they magically ignored it, or didn't know such trends existed. That source is filmsy, and FAR from guaranteeing that Nintendo would make money with these titles. It's clear they had their reasons for not choosing to release these games. Either respect it, or just shut up... I am sorry to be blunt.

Feylynn:

Nintendo isn't in this for business and money if it won't release good games.

How does that even make sense? They're a corporation. They're sole responsibility is delivering to the shareholders. If Nintendo didn't release the games here, they clearly had a good reason to. I'm not saying I agree with the decision, but it was their decision, reached by the company's executives and shareholders (which I am not a member of), so the best I can do is say "okay" and move on. Nintendo has been making record profits, and hasn't been releasing too many good games recently. PROFIT is all they care about. It's all they've ALWAYS cared about. It's all the Big Three or anyone in the video games industry as a whole care about.

Feylynn:

He never once mentioned them being friends, he said they were retarded for believing it is a positive decision to not release these games

It's this over idealized postulations of these corporations that kill me. Nintendo, Sony, MS... all of these guys... they aren't here to make you happy. They don't care what you want or think. They are here to cut a profit. They don't CARE about you (unless you own stock). NDA and their shareholders CLEARLY thought it was not a good decision to release these games. They're a reason they did this, but they aren't making it public. Don't say they wouldn't of made a profit. You know literally nothing about the company besides some crap picture someone assembled. It's ignorant and outright foolish of you to believe that you know more about NDA than its executives and shareholders who made this decision.

You don't agree with it... that's great. That's all you can do.

As someone who doesn't bother with Nintendo games, I find their business practice more entertaining than distressing, but I understand the rage and hope that they might pull their heads out of their asses... some day.

Stall:
I'm sorry, but this is just pathetic. Okay, so you don't agree with a business decision they made. That's fine, but there is no need to be an immature prick about it. I'm sorry that you've just now arrived at the crushing realization that Nintendo isn't in the game to be your BFF, and actually tend to do their own things with the intent of what would be best for the company and shareholders because the entire rasion d'etre of a corporation is to maximize profits for the shareholders: NOT to make you happy and be your BFF. Odds say NDA didn't do this out of spite: they had a legitmate reason for not bring these games over.

Sometimes Jim Sterling can make a good point, but this episode is just beyond pathetic. It's like a little kid getting mad about realizing that gaming companies aren't our friends. Be a god damn realist about this, would you?

Dude, NOA's localisation policies suck balls. and i live in Australia, where games get bad because we are all serial rapists and murderers waiting to happen if we play anything ultra-violent like Mortal Kombat.

and in response to your argument, yes your right, Nintendo is running a business, and yes it is to make shareholder's happy, but you forgot what the key part of running a business normally relies on. The Consumer. and i thought the aim of any corporation is to maximise profits as you pointed out? That's the point Jim's making. (he can be an arrogant one, but he backs up his arguments with evidence and thats got brownie points no matter what) why would a business not want to make money off a consumer base demanding there product?

OT: Good video! I'd say this series is on track.

I actually liked this one, passionate, direct and setting aside the obnoxious faux-persona.

the spud:
Wow. Nintendo can be pricks.

They did the same thing with earthbound and the rest of the Mother series. They won't even release earthbound on the virtual console, due to fairly minor legal reasons. Maybe its time they grow some balls.

It's like they don't WANT to be in business.

They fucked up the wii hard, and then release the 3DS before any games are ready for it. >.>

Can't really argue with this submission. However it is hardly a new thing, nor is it restricted just to NoA. Hell, Sega of America was sunk by much of the very same poor decision making back in the 90s. You would think that Nintendo would have learned from their old rivals mistakes even this long after they flung the last shovel full of dirt on them.

At least with PC I don't have to futz with this nonsense. While I do have to futz with DRM, it is not nearly as bad as all that and I can play any English language game I want to without having to hack my own machine.

Guys this is actually a good thing!
Remember when Sega released the SegaCD/MegaCD and refused to support their system, and then nobody gave a fuck about the Saturn and the Dreamcast? Remember Sega had to leave the hardware business and focus only on games because they couldn't afford another console?
Well same here. People are gonna remember this stupidity and refrain from buying the Wii U, as a result Nintendo is gonna have to drop the hardware business and we will finally have Donkey Kong on the PS4.
It may piss you off now, but when you don't need to buy another console only to play the next Zelda/Mario game, you'll be happy.
Good times ahead!
Thank you Nintendo of America!

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and in response to your argument, yes your right, Nintendo is running a business, and yes it is to make shareholder's happy, but you forgot what the key part of running a business normally relies on. The Consumer. and i thought the aim of any corporation is to maximise profits as you pointed out? That's the point Jim's making. (he can be an arrogant one, but he backs up his arguments with evidence and thats got brownie points no matter what) why would a business not want to make money off a consumer base demanding there product?

Yes, and you and the individuals who want this game aren't NDA's sole demographic. Nintendo has a wide demographic to appeal to, and many different kinds of consumers out there who they can sell to. It's clear that they did not think this was a good business decision for whatever reason, and would not receive the profit margins to justify such an activity such as localizing these games. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I am saying that NDA, as much as you want to believe otherwise, did have good enough reasons not to localize these games, and their decision is just that. They have the right to make their own decisions, and that's all you can really do. It's bitter medicine, but you have to be a realist about this sort of thing.

EDIT: Honestly guys... do you seriously think this is going to even come close to scratching the money eating behemoth that is Nintendo? Nintendo and NoA are going to continue to print money like they have been. A decision to not localize a few games isn't going to cause the company to crash and burn.

Like I said, it goes back to this whole fallacy that people think companies are their friends... that they do thinks to make them happy and please them. And when they don't, their fallacy is shattered and we get a little fiasco like this.

Jim we love you.

He even looked pissed when he was thanking God for himself O.o

I played SSBB on my friends Wii. After quickly discerning that it did not stack up to its predecessors I never again wished I had a Wii.

I'm glad they're not localizing these games because that might shake my resolve to never buy the console.

Up to this point, all of these videos didn't really have any real punch to them, but this one? This had everything that needed to be said about Nintendo. For denying NA all the games that are ALREADY ANNOUNCED FOR EUROPE (and even almost complete in Xenoblade's case), what are they trying to prove? That there is no market? Even though there are companies solely devoted to localizing these kinds of games and they are still making money? Even though Nintendo published Dragon Quest IX for Square Enix/Level 5 and managed to sell over a million copies on the DS, which is probably THE more pirate prone system out there?

I just can't figure out, *why does Nintendo not want my money*. Or the money of hundreds of other hundreds of thousands of fans. It's no Zelda or Mario, but when the difference is either making a niche happy or pissing on them and making no one happy, why choose the latter?

Completely agree with Jim on this, Nintendo are the kings of dragging their hardcore gamers through the dirt.

They really are useless. Look at earthbound they don't want to put it on the virtual console because they might get a lawsuit maybe they can change the music? Thereby doing something really nice to a bunch a fans who would spent 20 bucks for a game they already own to support the game.
The sequel didn't get a release at all. Those music cunts play a roll again but another reason that just angers me so much Is that they say the game is to dark.......really? yes the game is dark its darker than most kids things and this game should be marketed for kids because this will sell and I can see parents complaining but really? Here is what they should make a 3ds sprite remake(like crono trigger) of all 3 games change them slightly(nothing plot related)market them to kids watch as fans rejoice and this becomes your new pokemon.if not then to hell with you.

For all those who repeat the "If you don't like it, don't watch it" mantra:

I remember when the main focus of the site was the articles, and the video galleries were just a bonus. Now, apparently, The Escapist is so desperate for the Lowest Common Denominator demographic that they don't even put links to this week's issue on the front page anymore, because tripe like this is more important.

Granted, I love Extra Credits, and I still like Yahtzee, but those are at least somewhat insightful and interesting. Jim basically takes one point for each of his videos and says it over and over and over in slightly different ways, and takes up the other half of the video with his insufferable attempts at tongue-in-cheek comedic puffery.

And by the way, when is the next Extra Consideration coming out?

Stall:
I'm sorry, but this is just pathetic. Okay, so you don't agree with a business decision they made. That's fine, but there is no need to be an immature prick about it. I'm sorry that you've just now arrived at the crushing realization that Nintendo isn't in the game to be your BFF, and actually tend to do their own things with the intent of what would be best for the company and shareholders because the entire rasion d'etre of a corporation is to maximize profits for the shareholders: NOT to make you happy and be your BFF. Odds say NDA didn't do this out of spite: they had a legitmate reason for not bring these games over.

Sometimes Jim Sterling can make a good point, but this episode is just beyond pathetic. It's like a little kid getting mad about realizing that gaming companies aren't our friends. Be a god damn realist about this, would you?

Too bad you don't make any sense. There is no downside to bringing the games here. Only an upside. An upside on many fronts.

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