Critical Miss: The Bad News...

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pretentiousname01:
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The PS3 outtage was and is not the same thing as 1 unit dropping in price sometime after its release. and in no way shape or form does a company owe an apoligy to anyone who bought it prior to the price drop. They gave you a handfull of games for the price drop and that is more than the NOTHING they owe you. 6 monthes or a week and they wont owe anything if they dropped the price. You bought it when it was at the premium price knowing full well that at an unspecified amount of time the price will drop. You chose to buy it at the premium price. Just be happy they offered something as compensation they dont need to offer and move on.

As for the PS3 outtage and compensation this is where a company needs to offer something along with an apoligy. the service that is provided (PSN) is down because of neglicence causing all customers to not be able to use the product as it was sold for. thats when compensation should be offered not because of the inevitable and known to be inevitable price drop.

The only time you have a right to complain about a price drop when you bought the product prior is when there is a set date on when the price will drop by a set % and they drop it earlier and at a lower %. If you the customer expects atleast 6 monthes before it drops in price and it drops at 4 monthes... to bad, so sad, go cry to mommy, you expected something they did not promise its your problem not theres.

And I hate mega corps and how they constantly do anything they can to rip off customers, in this case they did not do anything wrong.

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All you self entitled twats need to stfu because if compensation is demanded for every price drop then the compensation costs will be added to the original cost. this means buying it early you pay for the compensation you think you are entitled to driving up the original price as well as all dropped prices. Thanks for making everything more expensive!

Although I agree, I kind of feel like this comic misses the point.

It's not that Nintendo dropped the 3DS's prices. It's that they priced it too high in the first place.

Wait a minute....

Where the hell is my jetpack and strawberry milkshake? THIS IS BULLSHIT!!

Seriously though, isn't Nintendo giving away free games to the early adapters? They should be happy that they are getting free stuff and really should shut up. They also bought it knowing that this might happen, so I really don't think they should complain too loudly, if at all.

WHO THREW THEIR BABY! And more importantly, will Iwata raise it as his own?

EverythingIncredible:
Although I agree, I kind of feel like this comic misses the point.

It's not that Nintendo dropped the 3DS's prices. It's that they priced it too high in the first place.

Do you have any idea how expensive it is to develop a new gadget from scratch? There's a reason consoles have a high price early on, it's because the manufacterors need more capital to be able to produce the things more cheaply, as well as simply to offset the initial investment costs of building the machines that can mass produce the product relatively cheaply.

Personally, I think Nintendo is taking a serious risk here by dropping the price so soon, and we should be more supportive.

Although that doesn't excuse them for having a launch line-up smaller than my respect for politicians. Which is astoundingly low, by the way.

zombi2989:
WHO THREW THEIR BABY! And more importantly, will Iwata raise it as his own?

He will presumably apologise for someone losing their baby.

This made me laugh hysterically, but really Iwata is apologizing for things he has no need to apologize for.

Bluecho:

EverythingIncredible:
Although I agree, I kind of feel like this comic misses the point.

It's not that Nintendo dropped the 3DS's prices. It's that they priced it too high in the first place.

Do you have any idea how expensive it is to develop a new gadget from scratch? There's a reason consoles have a high price early on, it's because the manufacterors need more capital to be able to produce the things more cheaply, as well as simply to offset the initial investment costs of building the machines that can mass produce the product relatively cheaply.

Personally, I think Nintendo is taking a serious risk here by dropping the price so soon, and we should be more supportive.

Although that doesn't excuse them for having a launch line-up smaller than my respect for politicians. Which is astoundingly low, by the way.

I think they were kind of resting on their laurels with the 250 dollar price. While other companies are losing money with hardware sales and depending on software, Nintendo thought they could get away with trying to make a significant profit on hardware sales like they did with the Wii. Then they got stiff armed by the PSVita. Which really put into perspective what people were getting. They were getting inferior hardware, inferior controls and less features for a the same price as if they waited.

Fair warning. Obvious WALL-O-TEXT in the way.

TL;DR: Didn't buy a 3DS, but this comic is pissing me off a bit on how insensitive it is and how completely blind you guys all are under the guise of "we're moar mature then you because we didn't buy it and we don't care!"

Seriously. Sympathize with your fellow gamers here people... Nintendo screwed it's early adopters and lowered the price suspiciously soon after the Vita's announced price in a show of what I can only see as panic with an offering in compensation that's heavily hit or miss.

InterAirplay:

pretentiousname01:
I think we have a bit of a obligation to be upset. Unit has been out less than 6 months and its loosing 25% of its price. In return for our early support we get handed digital copies of gba games?

Yes I'm aware we didn't have to get anything, so don't bother pointing it out. Not giving out any kind of "apology" is bad marketing. Remember how pissed when the only thing announced for the ps3 outage was playstation plus?

In fact I'd have been a lot happier if they would have given me a list of games to choose from. Especially as I don't care about most of the games they have already listed as "ambassador" titles.

Just shows me that nintendo only has nostalgia to offer us.

The earlier you buy something, the more you pay for it.

That is a big part of how commodities are priced.

There is no excuse for not being aware that the price would drop. Just because t dropped sooner and by a larger margin than expected does not give you any kind of right to be annoyed. You were the one who bought something for a price it obviously isn't worth, knowing full well that EVERYTHING is priced higher when released earlier.

The problem isn't the sudden price drop. Hell, EVERYONE expects a price drop. It's how sudden it was, how early it was after the release and how large of a price drop it is. That is completely unexpected and everyone is well within their rights to be feeling a bit outraged. And it's not as if there's a better version out yet to warrant the large drop in pricing either. (Though I'm sure Nintendo is hiding a 3DSlite somewhere in their R&D and are keeping the lid closed extremely tightly because any word coming out of an actual working model is going to possibly get some negative reaction.)

That said though. Nobody should be pissed about a 3DSlite being announced next year. Considering Nintendo's track record, that's to be expected.

shintakie10:

GiantRaven:
I'm sorry, but Nintendo are giving away 20 free games to people that already own a 3DS. What the devil do they have to apologise for?

People are self absorbed twits who think that because they bought a 3DS Nintendo owes them somethin.

Self absorbed twit or not, that's basically how consumers will feel. They feel entitled for paying for a highly overpriced piece of technology that currently has a very limited library which they willingly purchased for a different set of reason, amongst which might be the support of the technology to entice more third party development which in turn means that the money they put in good faith seems to have been possibly just stolen considering that Nintendo is still making a profit per unit since, again, the piece of technology they're paying for is... Well, not that expensive to make.

Sony Vita on the other hand. Man... Sony's a bit of a masochist, it keeps on taking hits per every unit sold for it's newer consoles. On that front, Sony seems like a company that cares more even though you can tell it's more of a marketing trick to get a larger consumer base so to make money off of the support that comes afterwards and the various other sales related to the console.

Still. It's far more appreciated to know you're paying less for more then more for less. (Yes, even with the price drop, the 3DS still feels like I'd be paying more for less).

EverythingIncredible:

Bluecho:

EverythingIncredible:
Although I agree, I kind of feel like this comic misses the point.

It's not that Nintendo dropped the 3DS's prices. It's that they priced it too high in the first place.

Do you have any idea how expensive it is to develop a new gadget from scratch? There's a reason consoles have a high price early on, it's because the manufacterors need more capital to be able to produce the things more cheaply, as well as simply to offset the initial investment costs of building the machines that can mass produce the product relatively cheaply.

Personally, I think Nintendo is taking a serious risk here by dropping the price so soon, and we should be more supportive.

Although that doesn't excuse them for having a launch line-up smaller than my respect for politicians. Which is astoundingly low, by the way.

I think they were kind of resting on their laurels with the 250 dollar price. While other companies are losing money with hardware sales and depending on software, Nintendo thought they could get away with trying to make a significant profit on hardware sales like they did with the Wii. Then they got stiff armed by the PSVita. Which really put into perspective what people were getting. They were getting inferior hardware, inferior controls and less features for a the same price as if they waited.

Nintendo's not taking any risks. It's desperately wanting to take a large step and strides before Sony gets a heads up with it's new handheld.

Now, the SMART thing that Nintendo could've done is drop the price during December. Why? Christmas. Freaking Christmas. Plus it would've been 3 more months, well enough time to have people go "eh... it's been long enough, i guess a price drop was to be expected" compared to right about now. Which is to say. This last bit here is just to say I'm on EverythingIncredible's side on this.

Don't get me wrong though. I ain't hating on Nintendo. It's a wonderful company that's pushing boundaries even though it's doing it in a rather silly way sometimes but provides some interesting possibilities for gaming in the future and certainly delivers some nostalgically based yet still well rounded and solid titles with more core games then most gamers seems to want to admit.

But seriously. They dropped the ball and this comic is making light of it while insulting various gamers for the sake of just making a few trolls and jackasses laugh.

Asuka Soryu:

Keava:
I think now, the only thing Nintendo fans can do, is to send an apology letter to Iwata each time they buy a game for any of the Nintendo systems.

So, the Nintendo Wii owners get out of having to send an apology letter?

Buh-zing!

I snickered.

nogaems meme 2.0: wii has no gaems

In honesty though, the Wii has the best 1st/2nd party exclusives and is the only system without a subscription model for it's online (although it replaces names with fucking 9001 digit numbers), pay-to-play P2P network (ahem xbox) or add-on bullshit beyond the plastic bats, wheels, or tennis rackets that don't cost much and are for the casuals. Wii Speak doesn't count because it's not bullshit and neither does the Classic Controller for the same reason.

However, the graphics are fail, you'd be missing out on 90 percent of this gen's gems if that was the only system you had, the online system is fucking horrible, shovelware, Wiimote motion/waggle is used as a gimmick in otherwise good games, etc. etc.

I got the impression the apology was because a price drop this early in a machine's lifespan is very unusual. So he's apologizing to the people who would have saved money if they had bought it a month later and to shareholders for cutting price on their new gadget so soon. Plus it's a Japanese company and the Japanese will apologize for anything that causes disturbance (except wars).

Kjakings:
I may be missing something, but what the hell happened to that whole 'Stowaways' thing? Does it just end with a truck maybe running over a possibly imaginary frog without ever explaining what in god's name was going on? If so it feels like we're being set up for a sequel.

I think the whole thing was just to justify Erin interacting with video game characters in the future. I don't think that's really necessary in a gag strip, but whatever.

Same thing happened when TF2 became free to play, only it was much cheaper to begin with.

People are angry over something becoming cheaper? What? Did I miss something?

Also those people in the last panel are clearly lactose intolerant and have vertigo.

Testsubject909:
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The entirety of your post can be rebutted with this one statement: that's how the capitalist market works.

Nintendo designed, made and marketed the 3DS, and they're absolutely free to sell it at whatever price point they want. They could lower it to the price of $170, $65, or $5 dollars and a handshake, and be completely within their rights. A lot of gamers exhibited doubts about getting a 3DS simply because of the steep price, so they've responded to that and are cutting the price to get more customers. Which makes far better economic sense than keeping the price where it is and making even more losses.

Nintendo owes you jack. Price drops are an established part of the market, and Nintendo can drop their prices in whatever way they see fit. But here's the funny thing: while they owe early adopters nothing in terms of compensation, they're still giving you guys 20 free downloadable games. That's something they have no reason to do, except to try and keep you guys happy. If that somehow isn't good enough for you, then you shouldn't have rushed out and bought the bloody thing without seeing its reception first. Nintendo gave you the console you paid for, you're now getting 20 games chucked in for the price you paid initially, and everyone else is now able to get a 3DS for considerably cheaper.

In short, it's a much better situation all round, and bitching and moaning about stuff getting cheaper shows you're out of touch with the realities of the economic situation around you.

I wrote a blog about why I think the price cut is upsetting. I think we're justified in being upset, although perhaps not strictly at Nintendo. The situation just *sucks* for early adopters, period. Saying you should have expected a price drop is equivalent to "herp derping" when trying to comprehend the source of ire. Of course folks expect a price drop--but even NINTENDO recognizes it's far too much and far too soon. Early adopters are necessary for the success of a console--without them, publishers hop ship, it has no games, and then the console sinks. While a price drop is inevitable, the early adopters should get something for their trouble. The problem isn't so much the price drop, it's that the 3DS was mismanaged so poorly the early adoption wasn't worth it.

http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/quantumcatphd/why-the-3ds-price-cut-is-upsetting--207544.phtml

The_Decoy:
Apologies if I'm missing something, but why are the strawberry milkshakes brown?

'Cause it's actually bullshit and the angry fans are right?

Dawkter:

Asuka Soryu:

Keava:
I think now, the only thing Nintendo fans can do, is to send an apology letter to Iwata each time they buy a game for any of the Nintendo systems.

So, the Nintendo Wii owners get out of having to send an apology letter?

Buh-zing!

I snickered.

nogaems meme 2.0: wii has no gaems

In honesty though, the Wii has the best 1st/2nd party exclusives and is the only system without a subscription model for it's online (although it replaces names with fucking 9001 digit numbers), pay-to-play P2P network (ahem xbox) or add-on bullshit beyond the plastic bats, wheels, or tennis rackets that don't cost much and are for the casuals. Wii Speak doesn't count because it's not bullshit and neither does the Classic Controller for the same reason.

However, the graphics are fail, you'd be missing out on 90 percent of this gen's gems if that was the only system you had, the online system is fucking horrible, shovelware, Wiimote motion/waggle is used as a gimmick in otherwise good games, etc. etc.

Nah, it did have good 1st and 2nd party games.

Now it's got dust with Skyward Sword being the only game of note coming out.

Maybe if you live in Japan, then sure. You can get the Wii games Nintendo won't bring to America. I had a Wii... I got rid of it, because all it did was collect dust.

Mario Kart? I'd rather play it on the older consoles.

Twilight Princess? I got tired of that game. Thank god of OoT 3D. :3

New Mario Bros Wii? I loved/preffere the DS over the Wii version. Wii wasn't as fun.

Metroid Other M? Please, god no. I didn't enjoy that game... it felt good, but the cutcenes with Samus talking were obnoxious. That dumb thing with you needing to find a speck on the screen before she'd do anything...

Best game to me, for the Wii exclusively was Super Mario Galazy and the game that came free with the Wii.
Gotta admit though, I did get more fun from

That is bullshit! Strawberry milkshakes suck, chocolate or GTFO. :p

But I agree with the overall message. I bought it at launch and I'm not throwing a hissy fit. I think those that are should get a nice cup of shut the fuck up. You always know you're paying more when you buy at launch, so you have nothing to complain about but your own impatience. Plus we're getting 20 free games which easily makes up for the price difference.

It's ok Iwata, i forgive you.

I'm with you entirely about why people shouldn't complain about later price drops. Plus, it's not like people don't know that prices tend to drop over time. So nobody has the right to complain about having to pay full price at launch rather than a lower price a while later.

Also I just had a milkshake, it was chocolate though. The coincidence is weird.

mjc0961:
That is bullshit! Strawberry milkshakes suck, chocolate or GTFO. :p

But I agree with the overall message. I bought it at launch and I'm not throwing a hissy fit. I think those that are should get a nice cup of shut the fuck up. You always know you're paying more when you buy at launch, so you have nothing to complain about but your own impatience. Plus we're getting 20 free games which easily makes up for the price difference.

If it makes you feel any better, they're brown in the last panel. :P

I agree, by the way. Everything I planned to say was pretty much said by you. I guess that makes my post a glorified "This ^" post. Yay!

You know, I always held a powerful suspicion that Satoru Iwata was responsible for rickets. But I just didn't want to point fingers until it was confirmed by someone with the infallible integrity of a cartoonist or a games journalist.

Thank you for vindicating my convictions at long last.

Critical Miss has always been funny, but this is probably the first comic to make me laugh out loud so long and hard that it made my stomach hurt. I mean... good lord, that last panel XD

Scrumpmonkey:
I think the people that already bought 3Ds' were most pissed off, or at least it should have been just them who were pissed off. Fair enough, you go all early adopter and feel you have wasted like $60. i get that. but why were so many OTHER people pissed off?

Because people have a very, very loose grasp on economics.

So am I the only one who saw panel #4 and thought "jetpacks + short skirts = yay"?

This is obviously Iwata-san's fault. WHAT THE HELL, MAN?

Damn. Why couldn't I have been there? I probably could have sold that jet-pack to pay off my house. What..?

GeorgW:
You forgot the most baffling part of this to me, a CEO lowering their pay-check in stead of taking it out on employees. It's bizarro world!!

That actually baffles me completely. How much were Nintendo expecting to make off the 3DS that the company president would chop his salary in half? Or is it a combination of factors that led to it?

Saltyk:
Damn. Why couldn't I have been there? I probably could have sold that jet-pack to pay off my house. What..?

GeorgW:
You forgot the most baffling part of this to me, a CEO lowering their pay-check in stead of taking it out on employees. It's bizarro world!!

That actually baffles me completely. How much were Nintendo expecting to make off the 3DS that the company president would chop his salary in half? Or is it a combination of factors that led to it?

It's a combination, but the big reason was the 3DS. Considering the DS's success, I can see why they had high hopes for it...

I would be pissed off if Iwata bought me a jetpack too! I asked for a space ship dammit! I will not be satisfied with anything else!

I feel conflicted about this comic. On the one hand I do agree that people being angry at Nintendo for apologising for the price drop are just being unreasonable at that point, but I disagree with the sentiment that Nintendo shouldn't have had to apologise. Maybe it's just me, but when I saw that they apologised for the price drop, I didn't see it as "We are deeply sorry about the price drop because it affects those who bought our systems before the significant and early price drop", but rather "We are deeply sorry about the price drop because it represents us trying to make up for the failed expectations and cancelled potential with our recent system, issues that have affected you the consumer for purchasing a system that has yet to hold up and is slowly loseing the the features that made you interested in it in the first place". Thats how I viewed it anyways, and because of that I think had Nintendo just announced the price drop (or hell just implemented it with no warning) without any sense of regret for doing so, it would've seemed to me, and probably many others, that Nintendo wasn't owing up to what it was that had placed them in that situation, which is perhaps the worst thing a company can do.

So sorry if I say Nintendo had to apologize, but frankly if they didn't it would just seem like a major "Fuck you" to their fanbase, because had they not apologized it would seem like that Nintendo didn't trust their fanbase with staying on when they showed weakness or admitted failure, which would bring to question why one should continue placing trust in a company that clearly didn't trust them. Did them apologize make me want to buy a 3DS? No, at this point there is nothing on the horizon that would make me want a 3DS or even the WiiU, but at least because Nintendo apologized I have respect for them admitting weakness, respect that would've turned to spite had they not owed up to their failure.

Im not sure if its happened yet, but I wonder how long it will take those facebookers to say he should apologize for Pearl Harbor.

anyway, eh. Fans will be fans. thats abut all you can say. its human nature. Its never MY fault it has to be YOUR fault.

I agree with the last panel, that is complete and utter bullshit, Iwata promised them strawberry milkshakes when they are clearly holding chocolate milkshakes, there is no death painful enough to rectify such dishonesty!

Sorry for the double post.

I think this comic encapsulated the situation perfectly.

Early adopters are always putting themselves in a situation where they may end up disappointed. When they paid $250 for the 3DS, they had to know that they were paying more than the console was worth because Nintendo always makes a profit on the hardware. Spending that money to get their hands on the console on the day it came out (or shortly thereafter) was akin to paying $60 for a new release game. You know that the price will eventually go down but you've decided that you want the game, or device in this situation, so much now that you are willing to spend the extra money rather than wait around for the price to drop. With games, the price often drops to $40 within a couple of weeks from release. So in both cases, you have the price dropping by about a third of the initial price.

The big difference here is that Nintendo has taken it upon themselves to apologize and offer early adopters some kind of consolation prize (though it's value is debatable). You don't see publishers offering what would otherwise be paid-DLC for free to people who purchase a game early when a few weeks later the game doesn't receive high review scores or sell as well as was anticipated.

Grey Carter:
Whenever you buy a product at launch you're paying a premium for early access. Those who wait are trading time with the product for potential cash savings. If any early adopters out there are somehow offended by the fact they're being consistently put out of pocket by those dastardly market forces, the solution is simple, stop being an early adopter.

The difference is that usually a console is on the market for about a year before any sort of price drop can be expected, and even then it's usually a smaller drop. The 3DS, on the other hand, is getting cut nearly in half, less than half a year after it's been out... and when nothing impressive has been done with the system. There's no real reason to own a 3DS right now, which means that there's no bonus to being an "early adopter" to it. I've paid a premium price for... 20 GBA/NES games.

Granted, I'm not harshing on Nintendo, I'm not about to march to their headquarters with a torch and pitchfork, but I can see why some people would. The 3DS is a horrid disappointment thus far. Outside of bringing it with me to my friend's place so we can ping our Street Passes, it's just been sitting on its charger collecting dust.

I feel that an apology is apt for such a drastic drop in price so very early in the life of a system that might be worth owning in a year or so.

Deathfish15:
I work for a phone company and when the price of one of our top-of-the-line phones dropped just after Thanksgiving last year (the phone launched in June, mind you), people had a **** fit. I had to deal with so many people who were totally **** off at me personally because they thought I was "ripping them off" and they demanded a refund for the price difference.

Our society as a whole has devolved (yes, evolution has been proven and we're now in the phase of going backwards). Most people have become self absorbed, selfish jerks who demand that everyone bow and bend to their every will. Companies aren't there to provide an innovative product, oh no, they're there to appease those greedy consumers who think the world revolves around them.

Glad to see that I'm not the only one becoming disillusioned with how materialistic and irrational society is becoming. I honestly do not see why the hell Iwata thought it necessary to apologies to the greedy douchebags failing to notice that nintendo's been offering them free stuff as a thanks for being early adopters.

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