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Summer School

Everything you think you know about movies could very well be wrong. Don't worry though, you're not alone.

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I'm still a little skeptical on The Avengers, if only because I'm one of those people who held out hope for Spider-Man, Daredevil, and almost everything else they laid out in front of us. Every time something comic-related looks awesome, part of me goes "yeah, but...."

I'm still hoping, though

Also, not entirely sure Ryan Reynolds was the problem with those movies. Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure he's a DRAW either, but let's face it, the GL trailers were openly laughed at in theaters.

Finally, Yay to R rated comedies, provided they don't go the slasher route of raunch for raunch's sake. That just annoys me.

Can Michael Bay and 3D still be on their way out?

Am I the only one slightly disappointed this wasn't a review of this movie?

Wow... Bob, if you don't start hitting the pavement and backing up your opinions with other critics, ESPECIALLY with reflective topics like this, I may have to get my movie culture opinions from someone else. I'm starting to find Ebert's blog reeeeeally interesting about now.

rembrandtqeinstein:
Am I the only one slightly disappointed this wasn't a review of this movie?

Nope. I loved that movie. Especially the horror movie scene.

And I had huge crushes on Courtney Thorne-Smith and Fabiana Udenio.

I figure that between Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, movie continuity was a done deal.

Short Circuit? Really? Well, okay, I'll accept and eagerly await the film if (and only if) they cast a better actor than Steve Gutenberg. They'd better not fuck up Johnny 5 though, or somebody's gonna get a hurt real bad.

The Gentleman:
Can Michael Bay and 3D still be on their way out?

Dear god, I hope so. I really hope Michael Bay somehow has a freak accident that leaves him crippled, paralyzed, braindead or otherwise unable to direct another movie. And that all his screenwriters never get any work ever again for the rest of their lives. Hacks, the lot of them.
3D I could give a flying shit about. If it's not being used to fling gimmicky debris "into the audience" so everyone can say "Omg it's coming right for us!" it's a waste of time.

I understand that one can't really site private discussion, but if your going to do something like this try to find some sort of source.

I know some of these were preconceptions but others seem like your just coming up with a wrong point after you have the correct counter-point.

"1+1=2! This is an exciting development, there was serious doubt that 1s could be put together to form a new number, but the proof is in the pudding!" Yet no one asked for pudding, didn't even really consider pudding an option. Did you just make the pudding and then say it was on the menu after you finished?

Kinda how it feels, put in a very very odd way.

I could go on a big long rant, but I'll just say that popularity doesn't equal quality

I look forward to the new Short Circut.

s_glasgow99:
Wow... Bob, if you don't start hitting the pavement and backing up your opinions with other critics, ESPECIALLY with reflective topics like this, I may have to get my movie culture opinions from someone else. I'm starting to find Ebert's blog reeeeeally interesting about now.

So you want Bob to tow the line with other critics? Hell the only reason I listen to him is because he knows his nerd culture. He brings up good points. Especially the Johnny Depp argument. It's sad to see someone who was nominated for an award for the character stick with it through shitty films for the paycheck. I am so looking forward to the Avengers film.

Thomas Guy:

s_glasgow99:
Wow... Bob, if you don't start hitting the pavement and backing up your opinions with other critics, ESPECIALLY with reflective topics like this, I may have to get my movie culture opinions from someone else. I'm starting to find Ebert's blog reeeeeally interesting about now.

So you want Bob to tow the line with other critics? Hell the only reason I listen to him is because he knows his nerd culture. He brings up good points. Especially the Johnny Depp argument. It's sad to see someone who was nominated for an award for the character stick with it through shitty films for the paycheck. I am so looking forward to the Avengers film.

No, I don't want him to 'tow the line.' Bob's 'Old Logics' are either his own opinions; which contradict his previous thoughts if you've followed him. Or other people's opinions, which he fails to cite sources for. Either way, all he's doing is throwing words around like a Facebook post. I understand that these articles are editorials, and opinions are the meat of any editorial article. But when someone goes to compare the differences in opinions from the past and present, it's always important to cite where you got those old arguments from. Otherwise it simply looks like you're blowing smoke to get your own opinion some defense, as is the case here.

Surprised he didn't mention Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 at all. (Man that's a mouthful) Course it probably would have been like:
Old Logic: Harry Potter will make a lot of money.
New Logic: Harry Potter will make a lot of money.

rembrandtqeinstein:
Am I the only one slightly disappointed this wasn't a review of this movie?

I love the book review of Heart of Darkness.

So, Bob, what did you think of Bridesmaids? You've mentioned it in passing, but I don't think we've heard you expound in any length.

I was surprised by the number of people that stayed during the credits of Thor and Captain America to watch what came after. Over half the room lost its collective shit for The Avengers teaser.

rembrandtqeinstein:
Am I the only one slightly disappointed this wasn't a review of this movie?

Jethro?

Sorry, but I can't see Mark Harmon anymore without thinking of NCIS >_<

edit... oh yeah, Movie Bob. sorry, can you really be upset that I was distracted by the Gibbs (no homo)

Generally agree with the basic premise of most of your points... but I will counter one. I think "raunchy" comedies that skirt by with a barely PG-13 rating will always generate more revenue than a hard R rating. Just a business fact.

Simply put, I have little faith in a world where transformers (a cheap cash in 3rd installment after 2 crappy previous installments) makes roughly the same box office pull as Harry Potter (a well thought out movie culminating a decades worth of interlaced continuity, leading up to this one big grade finale.) I'm not the biggest Potter fan, by any stretch, but just from an outside perspective, shouldn't Potter have blown away the badly designed bots?

Point of order, Bob, as far as the "Johnny Depp is tarnished" thing goes, Pirates 4 made over a billion dollars.

A billion dollars.

Alice in Wonderland also made a billion dollars. I think you're sort of in the minority with your opinion on Johnny Depp's star power.

Friv:
Point of order, Bob, as far as the "Johnny Depp is tarnished" thing goes, Pirates 4 made over a billion dollars.

A billion dollars.

Alice in Wonderland also made a billion dollars. I think you're sort of in the minority with your opinion on Johnny Depp's star power.

Maybe, maybe not.

The BIG movie news of this weekend (occuring only just this evening, hence why it's not in this piece) is that Disney has very-suddenly pulled the plug on the big-budget "Lone Ranger" movie, where Depp was to play Tonto and be the main character (it was a "re-imagining.") Now, granted, this is probably more about "Cowboys & Aliens" tanking than Depp, but it DOES indicate that Disney wasn't confident enough in his starpower alone to carry the film - which was going to cost them over $250 Million.

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm still a little skeptical on The Avengers, if only because I'm one of those people who held out hope for Spider-Man, Daredevil, and almost everything else they laid out in front of us. Every time something comic-related looks awesome, part of me goes "yeah, but...."

I'm still hoping, though

If it's any consolation Spiderman and Daredevil (and others like X-men, Fantastic Four, Punisher etc) weren't made by Marvel (and Disney). They were made by Sony and Fox respectively after obtaining the movie rights back when Marvel was doing prettty badly. Ironman 1 and 2, the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America have all been made in house while they're trying to establish a shared continuity, and for the most part they've been doing pretty well in making both quality movies and being faithful to the source material.

And we have such exciting films to look forward to as Edgar Wright's Antman and a Runaways movie.

WolfThomas:
If it's any consolation Spiderman and Daredevil (and others like X-men, Fantastic Four, Punisher etc) weren't made by Marvel (and Disney). They were made by Sony and Fox respectively after obtaining the movie rights back when Marvel was doing prettty badly. Ironman 1 and 2, the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America have all been made in house while they're trying to establish a shared continuity, and for the most part they've been doing pretty well in making both quality movies and being faithful to the source material.

I'm well aware of that, so it's not particularly any help. I was speaking more of comic movies in general, and while Marvel's production has done a good job thus far, I still expect the other shoe to be dropping any minute now.

I guess I expect every franchise to pull a Batman. The 90s series, that is. I loved the first one. The second one was still pretty good. The third was....Different, but okay, it was supposed to be more comic-ish, and it was...Kinda fun. And the fourth had me burning Batsymbols in effigy.

Of course, even then, what rose from the ashes was freaking awesome. But I worry about THIS Batfranchise too.

I have a long history of sort of clinging to any hope. I'm an adult now, and quite cynical, and part of me never has forgotten the myriad disappointments of my childhood. The Supermans, the Batmans, the....Almost anything Marvel licensed.

Hell, even Stan Lee seems to have lost his mind.

lowkey_jotunn:
Simply put, I have little faith in a world where transformers (a cheap cash in 3rd installment after 2 crappy previous installments) makes roughly the same box office pull as Harry Potter (a well thought out movie culminating a decades worth of interlaced continuity, leading up to this one big grade finale.) I'm not the biggest Potter fan, by any stretch, but just from an outside perspective, shouldn't Potter have blown away the badly designed bots?

Nostalgia. Gotta love it. People grew up on Transformers and that can overwhelm Michael Bay's direction, Shia LaBeef's...Well, everything, and the fact that somehow, they managed to make giant robots fighting BORING.

it's not old, its silly logic. I see how you couldn't understand the difference, as invisible aliens aren't your thing either.

ManupBatman:
I understand that one can't really site private discussion, but if your going to do something like this try to find some sort of source.

I know some of these were preconceptions but others seem like your just coming up with a wrong point after you have the correct counter-point.

"1+1=2! This is an exciting development, there was serious doubt that 1s could be put together to form a new number, but the proof is in the pudding!" Yet no one asked for pudding, didn't even really consider pudding an option. Did you just make the pudding and then say it was on the menu after you finished?

Kinda how it feels, put in a very very odd way.

That's how I felt too. The content of the article was OK, but the structure made it look messy...

...Dear god, am I sounding like an English teacher? O.o

I went off Johnny Depp big time when he publicly defended Roman Polanski. Defending a child-rapist = not cool. Besides, at least 70% of his performances have been self-indugent campy cack. And not in a good way.

Littaly:

ManupBatman:
I understand that one can't really site private discussion, but if your going to do something like this try to find some sort of source.

I know some of these were preconceptions but others seem like your just coming up with a wrong point after you have the correct counter-point.

"1+1=2! This is an exciting development, there was serious doubt that 1s could be put together to form a new number, but the proof is in the pudding!" Yet no one asked for pudding, didn't even really consider pudding an option. Did you just make the pudding and then say it was on the menu after you finished?

Kinda how it feels, put in a very very odd way.

That's how I felt too. The content of the article was OK, but the structure made it look messy...

...Dear god, am I sounding like an English teacher? O.o

You understood what I was saying? I didn't even understand what I was saying!

And also it comes off as much stronger to just say

"Things we learned this summer

Subject:

Evidence:

Next Subject:"

Which I may be getting into English teacher territory too. But that's alright, there should be more linguistic structure on the internet. If only so other people can get there lulz from it.

s_glasgow99:
Wow... Bob, if you don't start hitting the pavement and backing up your opinions with other critics, ESPECIALLY with reflective topics like this, I may have to get my movie culture opinions from someone else. I'm starting to find Ebert's blog reeeeeally interesting about now.

This, this times a million.

Seriously, Bob, shut the fuck up.

What a wacked out culture we live in. Major awesome movies with deep stories do moderately well, while R rated unimaginative laugh-cause-your-not-supposed-to movies make fortunes. No wonder the cinemas often go through droughts of trashy films. Guess I'll find solace in the fact that the majority of a movies income comes from DVD sales, which the bad comedies tend to lack in.

MovieBob:
Maybe, maybe not.

The BIG movie news of this weekend (occuring only just this evening, hence why it's not in this piece) is that Disney has very-suddenly pulled the plug on the big-budget "Lone Ranger" movie, where Depp was to play Tonto and be the main character (it was a "re-imagining.") Now, granted, this is probably more about "Cowboys & Aliens" tanking than Depp, but it DOES indicate that Disney wasn't confident enough in his starpower alone to carry the film - which was going to cost them over $250 Million.

Intriguing - I hadn't heard that yet. Thanks, I'll have to keep an eye on that. :)

The Great JT:
I look forward to the new Short Circut.

I am as well. I think its fully possible for them to do this justice, and I'm interested to see how they bring this forward into the age of internet and cell phones.

I'll continue to keep my expectations low, but a little thought, respect, and creativity I think this can be a lot of fun.

And maybe this time they'll cast and actual Indian actor ;)

The Avengers will be the real test of the "Nerd Boom". Not only must the movie do well but it has the potential of acting as a jumping off point. If all the movie goers that have been waiting for this event are satisfied with the genera after this event they my spend their money on other interests. This requires a blockbuster genera for them to flock too. One of the things helping comic book movies is the fact there currently is not a suitable venue for people to enjoy big budget special effects.

 

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