Jimquisition: BOYCOTT!

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Thank you Jim. Thank you. I am so sick of every one wanting to Boycott over the most stupid shit. None of it is for good reason.

I agree on nearly all points ( the L4D2 boycott was one of the justified ones at the time)

Many gamers jump to boycott so often that the industry doesn't take it seriously anymore. And that's a big problem.

I am so sick of every one wanting to Boycott over the most stupid shit. None of it is for good reason.

Did you watch the show? He made an appeal to people who say this kind of thing. That some boycotts are needed and should not be quick to be dismissed.

Great episode Jim =D Nice work!

*applause*

Well said. If someone doesn't like something, they can choose not to get it, but they shouldn't scream boycott over everything, especially if they're just gonna turn around and get it anyway.

Mildly-partially-maybe-related-to-topic:
Oh, and BTW. The physics of Sonic 4 WERE borked. Specifically the spindash physics (I didn't mind the floaty jumps. The spindash was the big problem for me). I have an ingrained habit of tapping down when going down a hill or a loop in 2D sonic, because in all the old games, it makes you go in to a ball and accelerate.

In sonic 4, curling into a ball when going down a hill SLOWED YOU DOWN. Not nly does this not make sense, but it contradicts a very important instinct I have learned over YEARS of playing sonic 3 and Knuckles (even doing a speedrun for a contest).

...that said, I still liked Sonic 4. I have no plans to boycott Episode 2. Even if they don't fix those stupid spindash physics (although Sonic Generations did it right in the demo. I was happy about that)

Plazmatic:
Im sorry, but Jim was wrong on the Left 4 Dead protest, the problem wasn't simply that it was released one year after, it was that it was practically the same game, and that anything else that was added could have been added as an update, and things that weren't fixed in the origional left 4 dead still have not been fixed to this day, were added when left 4 dead 2 came out. and that's just the tip of the iceberg, and if you look, it actually worked, the studio that made the game got kicked out AND they didn't make another game for valve afterwards.

I like your arguement, except the parts where you're wrong.

Left 4 Dead 2 wasn't the same as L4D. Saying so is like complaining about any sequel being the same as the game its based off of. Thats kinda the point of sequels. A lot of the changes done to L4D2 were under the hood. They changed how the Director worked, modified the engine to allow for different features (branching pathes, new melee system, modifiers and deviations from the standard L4D weapon/health system, enhanced matchmaking features), etc. You could argue they could do that in a single update, but I'd then have to ask you why you're being so self entitled. They made a lot of updates in L4D2, people are just bitching because it used the same engine. Its literally the same arguement ignorant people use to complain about Pokemon. "They're all the same" - if you don't know what you're talking about. "They don't add any significant features with each iteration" - if you've never bothered to pick up a copy of the game.

Last time I checked, the Studio that made L4D is STILL creating content, and tweaking content for both games. The original doesn't see as much traffic anymore - its how Halo 3 is to Halo Reach.

Also, the point of the boycott was to tell Valve this would not pass as a fully priced retail game. If you look at the facts and the sales chart, it sold well. And even the creator of the biggest boycott against Valve visited their HQ, played the game, and said "this was actually pretty good". The L4D boycott was an embarassment.

DJDarque:
My god. I haven't watched Jim since the first two episodes and dismissed his show as shit. Something about this one caught my eye and I actually decided to watch it. I'm surprised. This episode actually seems sincere, and I actually agree with him. I may have to give you another chance Jim.

My thoughts exactly, perhaps in the past I've been put off by the intro portion that got paraphrased in this episode.

I have to admit that I'm somewhat in the Apathy camp here, but I think that's because of the nature of the entertainment industry versus, say, the retail industry. It's very easy to boycott, say, Walmart when you can go to a different store to do all the shopping you would have done there, but each video game is unique, and even if other games are in the same genre you can't call them the same. If I want to boycott a video game (or a video game company), it means that I definitively cannot obtain the game they're making, I can't just shop for it somewhere else.

So someone would have to make a damn good argument if I were to boycott the release of a game I wanted.

DJDarque:
My god. I haven't watched Jim since the first two episodes and dismissed his show as shit. Something about this one caught my eye and I actually decided to watch it. I'm surprised. This episode actually seems sincere, and I actually agree with him. I may have to give you another chance Jim.

That's more or less the tone the show has taken ever since the first two episodes. He still begins and ends with his characteristic shit-eating grin, but he dropped a lot of needless profanity and found a more comfortable format quickly. Watch the one on the PSN outage, I almost gave a standing ovation for his first suggestion.

As for the episode: Yeah, I'm totally onboard with this one. Sonic 4 is one of those games that'll get no ends of complaints from me, but my complaints were always just that: complaints. I was never so butt-hurt over it that I was going to try and raise a collective middle finger against Sega for it, I just didn't think it was good and wasn't going to buy it. Yet when I raise this opinion even today there's a ton of people--plenty of whom didn't lay their hands on the demo, much less buy the game--who treat it like a declaration of war, all because of the pissing and moaning that over-sensitive fans raised over the most impotent and stupid of details in this relatively inconsequential game. Attitudes like this make it very difficult to raise meaningful discussion...

The Point with Fallout 3 fitted Perfectly into the Time when I was on a Fallout Site.

Merely 1/2 of the users where bitching, because it wasn't anymore ISO perspective, but endet up playing it anyway cause you know... it aint 1997 since a while. :P

Some of those Boycotts... Urgh.

Never had to do one actually since my tight wallet doen't let me buy stuff that I just got poked by the side of instead of buying what could be intresting.

This was pretty damn well said.

Thanks for what has been (whether you intended it or not) a public service announcement. I'll be sure to hold onto this view of boycotting.

Thanks Jim.

Wow, this issue was so important to Jim that he stuck all the usual stuff, even his "Thank God for me" at the beginning so he can spend the rest of the episode talking about the world "boycott". I never specifically used the world, but I do remember saying I'm not going to buy Super Smash Bros. Brawl if it only had 35 characters... Which was stupid. I do see this often, though, and I hate how people have been desensitized to it.

magicmonkeybars:
My boycott of Valve until they release HL2 ep3 is still going strong thank you very much.

That's a stupid reason to boycott... you missed out on amazing games just because you didn't get the sequel to an arbitrary game?

i am currently boycotting capcom because of the refusal to release AAI2 over here yet says theyll release any other ace attorney games that are released. what if a character from AAI2 appears in AA5? were not gonna know who they are. plus this one explains a bit more about what happened to edgeworths dad

also boycotting over MML3 cancellation, the rerelease of MVC3 5 months after the original and not compensating those who bought the original, then insulting those who were upset that megaman wasnt included in the roster.

no one cares though because "mml3 was a bad game and fighting games are the only good genre." ill remember that when they cut street fighter in a few years because people got sick of rebuying the games.

capcom dont have anything i want anyways. resident evil? dont care, didnt play 5. asuras wrath? not intresting, all it is is an asian god of war. dragons dogma? watered down dragon age. devil may cry? series is shit and boring and emo looking dante is worse.dead rising 2? dont need it. viewtiful joe? please like theyre gonna make a new one.

Probably the best Jimquisition episode so far. Very good.

bdcjacko:
is boycotting a big issue? I haven't noticed. But now I hear this and they were mentioning it on the podcast. Huh..I guess I just don't get that involved.

Nor should you, but he's right. People scream BOYCOTT! at the drop of a hat. There were "boycott" cries over Dante looking like a different kind of prat in the new DMC. There were boycott cries over something about the new Tomb Raider, too. Hell if I can remember, but it was probably because Lara's boobs aren't DDDDDDDs anymore.

Stuff about "always on" DRM and DRM in general makes sense, but gamers toss around "boycott" like most people toss around "like." Like, you know.

Plus, few gaming boycotts ever follow through. Since, as Jim pointed out, people have to have their Modern Warfare 2.

Asking gamers to treat the verb boycott and its power with respect, is like trying to ask Michel Foucault to pull the self-indulgent stick out of his ass.

The boycott for Modern Warfare 2 has to have been the largest boycott (or close to), and it ended up a complete and utter farce.

UrKnightErrant:

Not enough to wipe you completely off my shit list, Jim, but I'll give you another chance next week.

Oh, look! Another self-serving, smug remark about Jim's persona.

I'd rather read your opinion than a pointless remark about the content's creator. You're a person who has keen insight, yes?

magicmonkeybars:
My boycott of Valve until they release HL2 ep3 is still going strong thank you very much.

if you use steam its not.

Wasn't a big fan of his to start, but this isn't half bad. Also, I love the veeery subtle FF9 Zorn and Thorn theme hidden in there. Very sneaky, but it gets extra points in my books for including that. ;)

1: I like the arrogant persona, but it's also nice to see things taken a little more seriously and personally, like in the NoA episode.

2: I thought the L4D2 outrage was justified, but the call for a boycott wasn't. Mostly becasue I knew it wouldn't work. The Church of Freeman would never defy their Almighty God-King Valve. They'd talk shit, but all the while they had that game pre-ordered and were counting down the days, and would go singing their Lord's praises once the game came out. Plus, the game was good and they actually kept their promise to update it this time.

3: Agreed. Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean you should go to everyone "Stop being excited! Stop having fun! Have my opinion or I will YELL LOUDER UNTIL YOU DO!"

4: This all comes about because of 3 things: A: Gamers a whiny, entitled lot who think the Dev should cater to them and only them, and anyone who goes against their wishes should be scorned. B: The internet lets them find a couple like-minded individuals that they can rage together with anonymously with and C: Some people really think that people will give a damn that they are saying "Dante looks emo, so let's boycott!". Entitlement, Anonymity and Delusions of Grandeur are what often lead to these 'boycotts' in the first place.

I'm sorry Jim but after watching the first couple episodes of your show I wrote it off. However, these last two episodes have been really thought provoking and entertaining well done good sir! Keep it up and you will have a new avid viewer.

enzilewulf:
Thank you Jim. Thank you. I am so sick of every one wanting to Boycott over the most stupid shit. None of it is for good reason.

Really none of it is ever for a good reason?

OT: Also I like everyone taking the piss out of the MW2 boycott just because of the Steam group. The Steam group was a very small portion of the boycott which was 1/4 of a mil and it was recorded that PC sales were significantly lower for that game. Someone of us do know how to boycott however, thank you very much. There was a lot more to the MW2 boycott than just dedicated servers and to name a few price increase, lack of features like lean and mods.

The most coherent arguments I've seen Jim make so far. I wondered if this week's episode was put together in response to the outrage over the EC shitstorm last week and was pleasantly surprised. Probably not enough to start watching the show again, I still find the style very affected, but a decent episode nonetheless.

As usual though a little exaggerated. You're never going to stop certain words being devalued. Particularly within the internet culture of anonymity and people's perceived invulnerability to peer judgement which incites so many to be self-righteous little rage-bots at the drop of a hat. A brief commentary on the internet's influence on communication would probably have been appropriate.

This may be, perhaps, the best column he's done on the Escapist. And I gotta say, not only was the subject matter interesting, thought out, and presented well - but I really liked not having to wade through the typical beginning and outro.

Genixma:
I honestly thought he was going to talk about people choosing sides and yelling for a Boycott of the Escapist for the leave of Extra Credits. Well I thank God of Jim to prove me wrong and bring me something good this monday. Awesome.

When i watched I heard the whole thing as a veiled speech about that. It may or may not be, but it is certainly relevant to that discussion. Notice how the most vocal Escapist BOYCOTT callers are still here signing in everyday just to continue posting about it.

THANK YOU! All these "im boycotting this game" posts lately have been absurd. that being said, i did boycott fallout 3 (and have stuck to it, i have no desire to ever play it). not because it looked different but because the gameplay had been fundamentally changed. i wanted a turn based rpg, not an fpsrpg

Very good episode.

Actually laugh out loud at the 'compiled douchebagness' of the beginning. :)

Please, stop with the horrendous looking MS Paint crap. It makes your show look SO unprofessional and, quite frankly, it's an eye sore. That being said, great point, I agree with most of your points.

Uber Waddles:

Plazmatic:
Im sorry, but Jim was wrong on the Left 4 Dead protest, the problem wasn't simply that it was released one year after, it was that it was practically the same game, and that anything else that was added could have been added as an update, and things that weren't fixed in the origional left 4 dead still have not been fixed to this day, were added when left 4 dead 2 came out. and that's just the tip of the iceberg, and if you look, it actually worked, the studio that made the game got kicked out AND they didn't make another game for valve afterwards.

I like your arguement, except the parts where you're wrong.

Left 4 Dead 2 wasn't the same as L4D. Saying so is like complaining about any sequel being the same as the game its based off of. Thats kinda the point of sequels. A lot of the changes done to L4D2 were under the hood. They changed how the Director worked, modified the engine to allow for different features (branching pathes, new melee system, modifiers and deviations from the standard L4D weapon/health system, enhanced matchmaking features), etc. You could argue they could do that in a single update, but I'd then have to ask you why you're being so self entitled. They made a lot of updates in L4D2, people are just bitching because it used the same engine. Its literally the same arguement ignorant people use to complain about Pokemon. "They're all the same" - if you don't know what you're talking about. "They don't add any significant features with each iteration" - if you've never bothered to pick up a copy of the game.

Last time I checked, the Studio that made L4D is STILL creating content, and tweaking content for both games. The original doesn't see as much traffic anymore - its how Halo 3 is to Halo Reach.

Also, the point of the boycott was to tell Valve this would not pass as a fully priced retail game. If you look at the facts and the sales chart, it sold well. And even the creator of the biggest boycott against Valve visited their HQ, played the game, and said "this was actually pretty good". The L4D boycott was an embarassment.

Im not going to read your response since this was not directed at you for you, or other wise anything to do with you. All I said was the reasons for the boycott which were legitimate. this was not an argument as this was not a matter of opinion.

00slash00:
THANK YOU! All these "im boycotting this game" posts lately have been absurd. that being said, i did boycott fallout 3 (and have stuck to it, i have no desire to ever play it). not because it looked different but because the gameplay had been fundamentally changed. i wanted a turn based rpg, not an fpsrpg

But that isn't a boycott. A boycott is not buying something to prove a point, you didn't buy it because you didn't like the looks of it. That is exactly what jim is talking about. "Boycotting" things for silly reasons.

Jim, I loved this video and all, but being a rare viewer I have to ask: what the fucking fuck is giong on with your animations?

Could not agree more. I just had this conversation with a friend yesterday. How we as gamers have given up any and all hope of making positive change by showing the developers that while we're good at pissing and moaning, we're horrible at sticking to our guns.

And to be fair, I'm just as guilty as anyone of doing this. Although I never cried out or tried to rally troops, I was not intending to buy the last CoD game because of the poor treatment of the Infinity Ward founders then ended up getting it anyway because I wanted to be Richard Nixon shooting zombies in the face. I am properly ashamed of myself, but I still got to spill galons of zombie ichor while saying "I am NOT A CROOK!" and waving my fat jowels Futurama style.

I hope we can follow Jim's advice on this one and maybe be a bit less quick to sound the rally cry in the future unless it's truly neccesary.

If boycotting ever actually works and publishers see a significant dip in profits, they'll probably blame pirating anyway.

Every week half the forum for Jim seems to be "Good thing I gave the show one last shot, you managed to do a good episode."

As for the boycotts there stupid, half the time people boycott a game because it's to similar to the first the other half is because the game is to different from the first. Also I think I'm gonna see this episode make a few rounds when the next Call of Duty game gets announced.

DJDarque:
My god. I haven't watched Jim since the first two episodes and dismissed his show as shit. Something about this one caught my eye and I actually decided to watch it. I'm surprised. This episode actually seems sincere, and I actually agree with him. I may have to give you another chance Jim.

The 2 first episodes were pretty bad. I've been watching it and enjoying it since episode 4 or 5, he's simply improved a lot since he first appeared. You should see if you enjoy some of the videos after the 2 first too.

OT: Great stuff. He really managed to front the stupidity we usually see with gamers boycotting and still not dismiss boycotting as all bad.

OK this was a good one. Finally deserving of the praise Jim's fans give him.

This needed to be said very badly. Too many prats out there spouting histrionic nonsense every time everything isn't absolutely perfect. And by that I mean not exactly the way they want it to be.

No one in the gaming press really wants to take consumer action as seriously as it should be. They either blow crap out of proportion and jump on the boycott everything express or they completely minimize consumer rights.

Moderation is called for here. I find it highly disturbing that Jim Sterling of all people was the first I've seen top actually call for it.

I agree with everything Sterling said, but I'm kind of a terrible person to turn to.

The last "Battlefield" game I played was Battlefield 1942. The last "Call of Duty" game I played was just called "Call of Duty". Oh, wait- I played one of the DS versions of Modern Warfare. But I don't recall any hue and cry over that.

I haven't played Starcraft 2, and I'm not likely to get Diablo III. I've barely gotten into Left For Dead, so I guess I kind of unwittingly boycotted LFD2.

I'll probably get Saints Row 3, Mass Effect 3, and Torchlight 2 (the last for my spouse), and I'm considering Skyrim and Arkham City. Let me know if any controversies arise over those. But as usual, I'm about five games behind right now, so most calls for boycotts that reach me are probably going to get a response that amounts to "Um, I wasn't going to buy that anyway, so, count me in, I guess...?"

Crikey, I haven't even caught up with everything I got at the last Steam Holiday sale...

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