No Right Answer: Bioshock's Rapture vs Fallout's Vaults

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Bioshock's Rapture vs Fallout's Vaults

As our cameraman and editor Dan preps for his first child's birth, we ask the question, should the child's daycare be in the dystopian Rapture from Bioshock, or the apocalyptic Vault system from Fallout? Post your choices below or on twitter!

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The vaults were never meant to save anyone.

Kyle Im disappoint. That was a very weak argument.

Edit: By the way, I own that Jenova's Witness shirt. :D

My god I want a crossbow

Lol. That last line...

Was that just a coincidence, or has someone heard this?:

CrystalShadow:
Lol. That last line...

Was that just a coincidence, or has someone heard this?:

It's so much better when read by Samuel L. Jackson.

Vaults were you were locked in and 99% of them were experiments - you were lab rats. Rapture was a dream city that just failed, the intention was that it would be perfect. So i would chose Rapture.

First time I've had to facepalm at Kyle's answer since the series started. You are never safe in the vaults, unless you happen to be in one of the 17 (is it 17?) Vaults that weren't used in social experiments.

I'll take my chances in Rapture. Obviously not everyone in Rapture lost their marbles and Jack managed to splice without going insane considering he shot himself up with everything!

Well that was rather one-sided... and I don't think those points were awarded quite fairly on balance.

Still, I'd preffer the russian roulette of potentially getting a horrible vault to the certainty playground bullies hiding behind objectivism would be screwing my over all throughout childhood.

leviadragon99:
Still, I'd preffer the russian roulette of potentially getting a horrible vault to the certainty playground bullies hiding behind objectivism would be screwing my over all throughout childhood.

It's more like reverse Russian Roulette. There's a six shooter with five loaded cylinders and one empty one.

"Would you kindly put the book down, and go the fuck to sleep?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That was awesome.

OT: Hell yes for Rapture. I hear that in rapture, a boy becomes a man when he puts on a scuba suit and kills his first great white with a wrench. And by 'heard' I mean 'made up.'

Most Vaults were deathtraps and/or experiments from the beginning. Anyone who has any semblance of knowledge about the Fallout lore would know this. As much as I love Fallout, I have to choose Rapture, because it is more likely that you would survive there.

By the way, that Jenova's Witnesses shirt...The name suggests that it's an FFVII reference, but the picture...Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Anyone care to point it out to me and make me look like a moron?

Azure-Supernova:

leviadragon99:
Still, I'd preffer the russian roulette of potentially getting a horrible vault to the certainty playground bullies hiding behind objectivism would be screwing my over all throughout childhood.

It's more like reverse Russian Roulette. There's a six shooter with six loaded cylinders and one empty one.

So it's a six shooter with seven cylinders? MADNESS!

I think I'd go with Rapture, though neither were very appealing. At least with Rapture I'm less likely to go mad and more likely to jut be murdered.

Also, the guy on the right (I'm horrible with names, I know) is extremely fast with the water. Maybe you guys should make this a drinking game instead. :P

I would have to go with the vaults, just on the off chance that my father would be voiced by Liam Neeson.

Come on man. By definition the vaults were better then Rapture.

Rapture was built as a place where everyone would be free to do what they liked, BUT ultimately it turned out that if you did not have the same idea as Ryan, about what free meant you would be shut down. Your freedoms would be curtailed. So that highly regarded "freedom" was just a thin veneer. This of course is the problem with Rapture and other libertarian utopias (or any utopia). Someone will always decide that his freedom is more important then other peoples freedom. When this happens the system breaks down and anarchy ensues. But you may argue that until everything goes to hell and a hand-basket you have a good childhood. Try going around and listening to some of the recordings. People were poor. Parents had no money. It was the real normal world all over. People went there for a new beginning but found only the same old, only now the rich had even more power. So mommy would have to whore herself out while dad tried in vain to get people to buy his art. You were left to fight for yourself in the streets of Rapture and looked upon as little more then a rat. And then the lunatics would start appearing. People spliced to all hell. You would have to avoid them on your own. Then you might find your own mother cut up by one of these freaks. Turns out the freak was your father. So now you are totally alone. And the freaks a closing in.... and good forbid you are a little girl. God only knows what would happen to you then.

Now lets look at the Vaults. The world has gone to hell. No denying that. Most of the vaults were social experiments. No denying that. But they were not all the kind that drove people batshit crazy. One of them only had a faulty water chip. They sent out one of the people you grew up with out into the world to find one and everyone would be fine. You would be probably be safe. Get a good education. You would be cared for, have friends and never really need anything. And when it came time to go out into the world you would have a G.E.C.K to work with. There might be made up obstructions, but in the end you would probably be able to make it. You would be fine. maybe irradiated but fine.

Kapol:

Azure-Supernova:

leviadragon99:
Still, I'd preffer the russian roulette of potentially getting a horrible vault to the certainty playground bullies hiding behind objectivism would be screwing my over all throughout childhood.

It's more like reverse Russian Roulette. There's a six shooter with six loaded cylinders and one empty one.

So it's a six shooter with seven cylinders? MADNESS!

I think I'd go with Rapture, though neither were very appealing. At least with Rapture I'm less likely to go mad and more likely to jut be murdered.

Also, the guy on the right (I'm horrible with names, I know) is extremely fast with the water. Maybe you guys should make this a drinking game instead. :P

I fixed that :P But even then I don't suppose it'd be wrong, given that the Vaults were expensive to get a place in (unless you were chosen for a specific purpose) that the chances of getting into one are pretty big, you then of course have to make sure you're getting into one of the 'good' 17 out of 122.

JakobBloch:
One of them only had a faulty water chip. They sent out one of the people you grew up with out into the world to find one and everyone would be fine.

Except that at the end of Fallout you bring back a water chip, saving the entire vault, but the Overseer turns out to be a huge cock and tells you that you can't come back in ever, basically because you've become a wise badass and you're a threat to his control.

Kapol:

Azure-Supernova:

leviadragon99:
Still, I'd preffer the russian roulette of potentially getting a horrible vault to the certainty playground bullies hiding behind objectivism would be screwing my over all throughout childhood.

It's more like reverse Russian Roulette. There's a six shooter with six loaded cylinders and one empty one.

So it's a six shooter with seven cylinders? MADNESS!

I think I'd go with Rapture, though neither were very appealing. At least with Rapture I'm less likely to go mad and more likely to jut be murdered.

Also, the guy on the right (I'm horrible with names, I know) is extremely fast with the water. Maybe you guys should make this a drinking game instead. :P

I fixed that :P But even then I don't suppose it'd be wrong, given that the Vaults were expensive to get a place in (unless you were chosen for a specific purpose) that the chances of getting into one are pretty big, you then of course have to make sure you're getting into one of the 'good' 17 out of 122.

TLS14:

By the way, that Jenova's Witnesses shirt...The name suggests that it's an FFVII reference, but the picture...Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Anyone care to point it out to me and make me look like a moron?

Well it's a wing with a halo. Angels have halos...get it?

But that shirt...DO WANT. Like seriously, I want to know where he got that.

with the exception of very few vault they were just giant labs and you are the lab rats. Rapture was at least designed to be good and you can't really argue over the sound of me burning you alive with my hands.

Iklwa:

TLS14:

By the way, that Jenova's Witnesses shirt...The name suggests that it's an FFVII reference, but the picture...Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Anyone care to point it out to me and make me look like a moron?

Well it's a wing with a halo. Angels have halos...get it?

But that shirt...DO WANT. Like seriously, I want to know where he got that.

Well, now I get it. I forgot about the side effects of the Jenova cells.

Also, here's a link to it that I just found. Seriously dude, Google is your best friend.

Azure-Supernova:
Except that at the end of Fallout you bring back a water chip, saving the entire vault, but the Overseer turns out to be a huge cock and tells you that you can't come back in ever, basically because you've become a wise badass and you're a threat to his control.

Ah but you are not the vault-dweller. You are still in the vault living a safe life. =)

Here's an idea for the series: Instead of deciding the winner through judges decisions, you have a vote and we can vote on whoever we think made the strongest argument. Then you can release the results in the next video? Of course, if you still took a spit take you'd automatically lose. Great video like always.

JakobBloch:

Azure-Supernova:
Except that at the end of Fallout you bring back a water chip, saving the entire vault, but the Overseer turns out to be a huge cock and tells you that you can't come back in ever, basically because you've become a wise badass and you're a threat to his control.

Ah but you are not the vault-dweller. You are still in the vault living a safe life. =)

Well in that case great, but then I'm living in that society where what the Overseer says goes. Our friend left the vault and saved our asses and we're just supposed to discard him like trash? I can't see how a group can be led by one individual in such close quarters without challenge and opposition. Afterall the Overseer is near enough a dictator, running the vault with the instructions he has been given.

But what the overseer says goes right? I suppose growing up in a vault you'd be blissfully ignorant of any other kind of leadership. But then thanks to the Vault Dweller and the Overseer being a huge dick a lot of people left the safety of the vault to follow him, the ones that stayed behind overthrew the Overseer and in the end I believe they were captured by the Enclave.

The whole vault system, from Fallout 3 ... Because fallout 1 and 2 didn't have vaults, obviously.

Azure-Supernova:
I'll take my chances in Rapture. Obviously not everyone in Rapture lost their marbles and Jack managed to splice without going insane considering he shot himself up with everything!

If you choose the evil options in bioshock you will see his skin change toward insanity, and you get those super-powers he kept aruging by brutally killing brainwashed little girls who feed off the dead, what if you became them while growing up in rapture?

I have to go with Rapture, im a artist not a scientist.

Easy way to beat the Rapture argument. Before the age of 10 you'll probably be snatched up and turned into some grotesque form of humanity because you aren't the only one shooting fire. Rapture is like the wild west with less morals and super powers.

And I'm assuming Adam hates Cowboys.

jamesbrown:

Azure-Supernova:
I'll take my chances in Rapture. Obviously not everyone in Rapture lost their marbles and Jack managed to splice without going insane considering he shot himself up with everything!

If you choose the evil options in bioshock you will see his skin change toward insanity, and you get those super-powers he kept aruging by brutally killing brainwashed little girls who feed off the dead, what if you became them while growing up in rapture?

I'm not saying it's all sunshine and lollypops in Rapture, but I'd rather be a super powered psycho than an unprepared, oppressed and ignorant citizen of an underground city. But initially ADAM and EVE was widely available to citizens of Rapture and for a while I'm willing to bet it was a slice of heaven. Until the whole New Year incident of course... then things took a turn for the worse and I'd probably become a Houdini Splicer or something _

Does rapture even have schools?

God damn it, kyle sucks at arguing. I couldn't even tell if they were talking about post-game rapture and vault, or pre-game rapture and vault.

This one needed a NSFW stinger. Also...yeah, Kyle probably should have thought a little harder about his argument before presenting it.

For example: ridiculous matching jumpsuits! Hilarious vaguely Biff-related bullies! Your Goddamn dad is Liam Neeson! Also, nobody has spliced in some genetic code that, with a word, controls your actions or turns off your heart. And let's not forget how awesomely weird your life would be if you grew up in vault 69 (1 man, 999 women). Or if it's your thing, vault 68 (you probably have to be REALLY into gangbangs or man-on-man action though). Also, grow up in Rapture and odds approach 100% that you go crazy and get horribly killed by some dude before age 25 who, as mentioned, murders you with a swarm of bees.

The winner clearly should have been the vaults.

I think the best call for Kyle would have been to pull out Vault City. You throw out a vault that became a thriving city, then you just win. Plus it's already opened up.

Considering my love of playing outside as a child. I'm going to go with Rapture... well a deep sea diving suit is KIND of like going outside.

also, CONGRATULATIONS DAN!

ace_of_something:
Considering my love of playing outside as a child. I'm going to go with Rapture... well a deep sea diving suit is KIND of like going outside.

also, CONGRATULATIONS DAN!

Why thank you!

Man, this wasn't even a contest. Do you even know what the vaults were like? There were 122 public vaults and only 17 were built to spec, so your odds were only a little better than 10% that you'd be in a place where you'd grow up a normal guy and not in a freak experiment in which you end up vomiting cockroaches or turining into crabman or listening to a bad comedian, forever. Yeah, there are things like Vault 15, which is pretty much normal, but even the nice control vaults can come out wrong, like Vault 8 or Vault 20.

At least is Rapture you're shooting fire while things go to hell.

This post courtesy of the Fallout Wiki.

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