The Big Picture: In Defense of Nostalgia

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In Defense of Nostalgia

Are the rose tinted glasses always so bad?

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I miss the 1840's. That's the ideal that should be restored.

Bring back the Whig party!!!!

The "stupid nostalgia" as I like to call it is relegated to discussions about the geek fandom, and even the music and film industry. I can't begin to remember the amount of times I read some dip**** on the internet talk about a new Iron Maiden record or FF game and say, "It's not as good as the old stuff." That's the line everyone hides behind without feeling the need to justify WHY they think the album or the game sucks. It doesn't bother me when people use it, only when made to be their weak crutch when they can't stand on or refuse to make a case for themselves. Some franchises (Dragon Quest) can thrive on nostalgia because the formula still works. Those that don't have the same quality control can't and shouldn't get a free pass.

Insightful and true. Thank you once again, Bob.

That is so cool. I don't have many old superhero comic-books from childhood, but I got a few from my older brothers. I have maybe 2 HULK albums, one x-men and then there was this old well, perhaps I shouldn't spoil it so early in the comments but Bob you know it... , I grew up with the animated series of everything, but very few comics, so a reference to one of the few I have. Awesome! And to call it your most obscure reference ever! I feel special.
Now I have to find it and refresh my memory. I think I see where you were going with the reference, but it's lie 10 years ago I really read it...

ah yes, the idealised 1950, when sexism and backlash from the war was in full force, that's the good old days

Ne1butme:
I miss the 1840's. That's the ideal that should be restored.

Bring back the Whig party!!!!

Me too, not for the whig party, more for all that good thing it existed. Like slacvery, segragation and jews being second class citizen. Oh by the way I do not mean the sissy slavery of the modern era, but the good old war slavery of the ancient times. (sarcasm on)

I never really understood nostalgia. Maybe because I'm 22 or because I get the concept of letting go. Either way the show almost became too polical this time.

I don't mind people enjoying their old-style entertainment, even if that enjoyment is partly derived from nostalgia. Just, uh... please don't try and shove it down my throat. If they're "allowed" to enjoy old stuff, I'm allowed to enjoy the new.

Can't say I really 'get' the nostalgia market myself. For example, I regard the Tintin books with a great deal of nostalgia. I associate them with curling up on a cane chair in front of an open fire and reading to my little ten-year-old heart's content. But, that said, I'm still not particularly interested in that upcoming Tintin movie and tie-in game.

Oh, and lastly, I'm right there with Bob on the politics thing. Although luckily we don't get so much political nostalgia here in Australia. It's around, sure, but I wouldn't really say it's a major driving force or anything.

Can't help but notice the two areas he calls a "problem" are both Republican ideas. Someone's showing their democrat side. Wonder how long till Xan and that one nut who complains about how left wing the Escapist and the internet are get here. I smell poorly enforced boycott!

But in seriousness, perspective would be good, but nobody is ever capable of true perspective. Our own experiences shape our perception of the world.

Ne1butme:
I miss the 1840's. That's the ideal that should be restored.

Bring back the Whig party!!!!

..... Yeah I don't think that's a good idea. Mostly because I don't want to die from famine.

OT

A good episode there Bob although I have to disagree with your opening text thing. I've never seen a "Very Special Episode" of anything so the text had no affect. If anything it made me more think "Oh Bob is going to comment on something from last week" as youve done that with that style before.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Can't help but notice the two areas he calls a "problem" are both Republican ideas. Someone's showing their democrat side. Wonder how long till Xan and that one nut who complains about how left wing the Escapist and the internet are get here. I smell poorly enforced boycott!

But in seriousness, perspective would be good, but nobody is ever capable of true perspective. Our own experiences shape our perception of the world.

To be fair, I've read Bob's blog and Twitter and he puts quite a lot of weight on how this is a problem for republicans who don't wan't to live in the dark ages. I don't know Bob's political allegiances, so I won't presume to say he's one thing or another but in this case, I'm fairly certain it's nothing to do what color he is, this is about stupid people promoting dangerous mindsets.

I was watching some Family Guy the other day, and I noticed that some of the jokes were making references to things that a lot of people today wouldn't understand. However, the manner in which they presented the joke made it enjoyable on more than simply a nonstalgic level. I believe that such a method is more beneficial than simply making "inside jokes" for a minority.
Long story short, if you want to bring back the old stuff, make sure you present it in a way that lets everyone enjoy themselves. So, Bob, I guess I agree with you. Good work.

I really find it odd that every time an political opinion is given in The United States of America it's always Republican or Democrat. We have So many damn political movements it's just freaky I think we have 7 and that for a country with just 17 million people.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Can't help but notice the two areas he calls a "problem" are both Republican ideas. Someone's showing their democrat side. Wonder how long till Xan and that one nut who complains about how left wing the Escapist and the internet are get here. I smell poorly enforced boycott!

But in seriousness, perspective would be good, but nobody is ever capable of true perspective. Our own experiences shape our perception of the world.

They aren't exclusively republican ideas, but simply conservative ideas. Conservatism isn't the exclusive property of the Republican party (no matter what the talking heads say).

Conservatism, by definition, is the desire to conserve the status quo, perhaps to the point of regressing to an earlier status quo. This feeds into the nostalgia idea. I'm not saying that this is a bad idea, but we do tend to look at the past with rose coloured glasses on certain issues. The modern trend of Reagan worship is a good example.

As a guy who loves to talk politics, it was REALLY fun to listen to you rant on Glen Beck. (Not sarcasm, actually nice to see there are people who dont blindly follow idiots like Glen Beck.)

OT: I get a lot of heat from my friends when I say that I want the new Mario, or Zelda or cant wait for a remake of an old movie. They say that the games are the same thing. Yet they are insulted when I point out that MW3 and BF3 are basically the same games as their prequels with a tad new features. The fact that any Mario fan can play ANY classic Mario game and feel right at home and a COD player cant stand to play any COD game besides the newest one is why nostalgia works. Dont even get me started on Madden either.

Movies and TV shows are remade to reintroduce a new generation to something great. Yes, Thundercats wont be the same as in the '80s, but it still will be good, and the two generations can have a bridge to one another.

This is probably, next to "Magneto was Right", my favourite The Big Picture.

True there mate.

But not being American sometimes I kind of lose track what you're talking about Bob.
You gotto assume that not all of your audiance are going to be American's.

There are 6 other continents on Earth you know ?

I'm with you on this one, some things aren't successful because of nostalgia in the sense that it exploits peoples fond memories of the past, but because it works. Also great that someone is addressing the whole "CoD is the same every year" thing.

Moviebob: Some days he's subtle. Today is not one of them

I love it when Bob gets into politics.

As if I really care if anyone thinks lesser of me because Skyward Sword is my most anticipated game of the year.

Good video, though. And yeah...politics are just fucked today in America. A good many Republicans do crave for a cultural arrested development. And Democrats tend to be "do nothing" types who ride the waves created by clueless celebrity endorsements.

That's the problem with left-wing people. They always think that their political viewpoint is "intellectual" or "progressive", and everybody that doesn't agree with them are "old-fashioned" and "ignorant". Just like it's wrong write off all remakes of old movies, it's wrong to write off people with different political opinions than yours.

...If you want to hear people complain about COD being the same thing over and over then go to /v/ and start a COD thread

see how that ends

"Some guy thinks the Thundercats redesign is the worst thing that has ever happen"

and then they saw the new Cheetara

then it was never heard of again

I am getting tired of the gay marriage thing being dredged up over and over again whenever someone wants to show how liberal they are. I agree that the majority of people who oppose gay marriage generally do so for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't make it right. If you're right for the wrong reasons, you're still right.

But I'm not willing to even discuss why they might be right with people who are so bent on being "forward thinking" that they can't consider that maybe, just maybe, the ignorant, scared, slavering masses might be right about this one.

Thank you Bob. Well said.

Also I loved me the crap out of Tron and Legacy.

I saw what you did there! Bob don't try to make your inability to let go of the past sound less stale by comparison to more controversial figures that aren't directly involved with geek culture. But if you want to see a game that is new and refreshing but still takes many ques from older games try Bastion.

"nostalgia" is one of those words I never want to hear again next to "like", "political correctness" and "sexist".

Another good week Bob.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Can't help but notice the two areas he calls a "problem" are both Republican ideas. Someone's showing their democrat side. Wonder how long till Xan and that one nut who complains about how left wing the Escapist and the internet are get here. I smell poorly enforced boycott!

But in seriousness, perspective would be good, but nobody is ever capable of true perspective. Our own experiences shape our perception of the world.

Like Bob said before, he isn't against the left or right. He's against ignorance, and bad ideas.
Also, people from both left and right have said that video games are turning kids into evil hellmonkeys, and in my opinion that's shows that ignorance and stupidity have joined both wings.

"A wise man once said; "A politician is someone who can talk for hours, and not really say anything.""
So vote Hideo Kojima for high Emperor of the Universe. :)

So, reboot of Back to the Future. Let's do it.

TWEWER:
That's the problem with left-wing people. They always think that their political viewpoint is "intellectual" or "progressive", and everybody that doesn't agree with them are "old-fashioned" and "ignorant". Just like it's wrong write off all remakes of old movies, it's wrong to write off people with different political opinions than yours.

Bob wasn't writing off those political opinions "because they were different". I thought Bob gave his reasons quite clearly. Although quite frankly it is rather unrealistic to expect a proper discussion on the can of worms he opened in the confines of a 5-minute show.

Too true, too true. The priorities of the masses are always baffling. Here in Brazil, it's all about Football. Our government is packed to the brim of corruption that sucks up a big chunk of the people's income for their yatis, summer houses and whatnot, but people kinda conformed to it, and when someone who is actually honest shows up, they say he's being "naive". On the other hand, if you speak ill of any A-League football team on tv or the internet, suddenly it's all "I'LL KILL YOU! I'LL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, YOU SON OF A BITCH!"

To make it worse, sometimes they do follow with their threats. Can someone tell me why the world has so much stupid people? Logically, they should be the ones dying faster.

what was 4:57? is that the bk club?

cymonsgames:
I am getting tired of the gay marriage thing being dredged up over and over again whenever someone wants to show how liberal they are. I agree that the majority of people who oppose gay marriage generally do so for the wrong reasons, but that doesn't make it right. If you're right for the wrong reasons, you're still right.

But I'm not willing to even discuss why they might be right with people who are so bent on being "forward thinking" that they can't consider that maybe, just maybe, the ignorant, scared, slavering masses might be right about this one.

I'm sorry but if you are not willing to discuss it maybe you shouldn't say ignorant things.
The reason (at least in my mind) why the Gay Marriage thing is used so often is because it's a really clear example. It's a good baseline for establishing you have decent values. To be opposed to Gay Marriage is, when you get down to it, someone giving a fuck where there should be no fucks given.
As long as Gay marriage isn't a normal thing in one of the world's biggest and most influential countries, it should be brought up, because it's a goddamn huge injustice

Agent Larkin:
..... Yeah I don't think that's a good idea. Mostly because I don't want to die from famine.

If the Oregon Trail has taught me anything, it's that back then people died of dysentery, and only dysentery.

The reality of the situation is that America was never the lovely place that certain people like to imagine it was. I bet if I asked my 70 year old African-American grandmother if she would have rather lived in the Mississippi of her childhood or the present, she would choose the latter. Social change tends to make things better for the entire society, and if you're one of the people looking for a 50's style America than you were probably very ignorant of the suffering of the rest of the population or simply didn't care.

Also, I can honestly say that the Thundercats remake is probably one of the better ones I've seen and is definitely worth a look to the fans of the old version.

Agayek:

Agent Larkin:
..... Yeah I don't think that's a good idea. Mostly because I don't want to die from famine.

If the Oregon Trail has taught me anything, it's that back then people died of dysentery, and only dysentery.

And if my history class taught me anything its that people died of starvation from the potato's failing. And then getting stuffed on boats to countries that didn't want them.

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