Jimquisition: The Beautiful Irony of PC Gaming

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Great video!! Absolute truth about PC gaming right there.

*hides GTX 580 SLi*

AC10:

Additionally, Recettear actually does require a pretty powerful computer because it was optimized like absolute shit.

I have a pretty crappy PC and I can run Recettear just fine. I just had to mess around in the options for a bit, disable some things, but it runs decently.

OT:
I think that Jim made a bunch of very good points. Good job.

I agree with you, Jim. PC games offer a unique experience that cannot be told on consoles.

But you wouldn't think that with the gaming communities I've seen. Especially on Gametrailers.com

Not to trash the website, but to their PC gamer, graphics are everything. If a game has bad graphics, it's a bad game. No matter how up their alley the game is. If it has good graphics, then it is automatically good. No matter how contrived or awkward the gameplay is.

On the other side of the coin, I find plenty of games on consoles that would never be adequately told on PCs. Particularly games by From Software like Armored Core and Demon's Souls.

Sure, you could emulate it. But you will never have the true experience of playing those kinds of games when at your desk.

Vigormortis:

Kakulukia:

Vigormortis:
Can you play [...] every PS1 game on your PS3? I thought not.

Yes you can. You should have gone with PS2 in your example... :P

OT: Good points, but I still prefer consoles, more specifically the PS3, because its exclusives are fucking awesome. And my shitty laptop can play most of the games he mentioned in the video, so I'm only missing out on games that do require a massive rig. And they mostly don't interest me.

Actually, thank you for pointing that out. That's actually what I meant. I should probably fix that in the original post.

bombadilillo:
So your arguement about price gets blown away and you pretend that wasnt the point at all??

Funny because you post was entirely about price, nice try but changing the subject does not work. You know what I have? I got a n64 and NES all hooked up to a crt in my garage, so yeah, I CAN play all those old games too. So You can argue convenience, but I still don't have to buy SMB 3 again. ;)

The point stands, you pay 50$ a new release that I can rent for dirt cheep. So in the long, short and medium runs, console is cheaper. Try and refute that without wondering off on tangents.

I'm sorry but, is this a joke? This has to be a joke. It's almost like you're not even reading or really responding to my, or even your own, original post. Either that or you're just trolling me. I'm thinkin' the latter.

It's funny to me that, after addressing every point you try to counter me with, you just try to pass it off as me "changing the subject". Seems to me you have no reasonable argument or counter-point and are just defaulting to repeating yourself and insulting me. At the same time, you only reenforce my point.

You have Super Mario Bros 3? Good for you. So do I. I guess we can both go and play it again. But what about, say, something more recent? Or even something a year or so old? Let's go back and play Batman: Arkham Asylum. I'm sorry, what's that? You only rented it back then? Oh, that's a shame. I guess you'll have to pay for it again if you want to play along. Gee, seems to me you're gonna pay more to play it over time than I paid to get it once and play forever.

But, this is all moot. I said this exact same thing in my first post but you either over looked it, didn't comprehend it, or just actively ignored it because you had no reasonable retort except to repeat yourself and say I was "wondering off on tangents". And, frankly, I expect the same thing to occur with this post. Either way, I'm just going to ignore you.

Oh, and by the way. Saying you can still go back and play SMB3 doesn't help your case buddy. You bought that game back in the day. That's why you can go back and play it again. If you had only rented it, you'd be s.o.l.

[edit] Upon taking a quick glance at your profile, I notice you're already up to six ticks in your forum health meter. Why does this not surprise me?

Yep everyone who proves you wrong is trolling. You are just that awesome. Man I wish I was you.

STOP MAKING ME CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT YOU JIM EVERY FUCKING WEEK
good episode blah blah.

TypeSD:
Great video!! Absolute truth about PC gaming right there.

*hides GTX 580 SLi*

Give it a year and I'll have 2 of those...

Da Orky Man:

ms_sunlight:

Da Orky Man:

By "old lucas arts games", KotOR? I've discovered that my year-old, 1.6ghz netbook can run it. HELLS YEAH!!!

I bought KotOR off Steam and am replaying it RIGHT NOW. +1!!!

But I'll see your KotOR and raise you Loom. LOOM!!!!!!

Say hi to Bastila for me.

I see your Loom, and raise you The Curse of Monkey Island.

I don't know how far this has gone, but I see your Curse of Monkey Island (still one of my all time favorite games) and raise you Space Quest 1! Muahahahaha.

The most hysterical thing to me about all the bloviating you read on the internet on the great "PC vs Console" flame war of doom, is that the future is PC gaming.

It's just not the PC gaming we are used to calling "PC Gaming".

Already with systems like Onlive, you'll be seeing more remote gaming sessions streamed to either a television via a set top box, or more likely, as an application that you download for free on your home computer that you use for school or work.

The technology for this already exists and is being implemented as we speak. There are geographically located virtualization farms out there that run these virtual machines for remote access and modifying this into a game subscription model isn't the work of sci-fi, it's just a matter of time.

I know it bugs the hell out of a lot of people, but consoles and especially physical media are on their way out. It won't happen in the next few years, but within the next decade or so, I see it being the business model that publishers are exclusively pushing because it eliminates both piracy and their profit sharing with retailers and distributors.

Never underestimate the power of market forces.

I might be missing the point, but all I got from Jim today was that "PC gaming is much more versatile". It can do the high-end graphics stuff, as well as run some smaller developer titles that are awesome sauce, including old school titles through emulators and wrappers and thing.

Torchlight is fantastic and even has a netbook mode. And yes, upgrading my computer to play Witcher 2 was nowhere near as expensive as I thought it would be, and I had to upgrade everything from motherboard up - RAM, GPU, CPU, PSU (my, what a bunch of 3-letter acronyms).

But yeah, granted not everyone has the know-how to do this properly and affordably. I notice that also as some developers get more ambitious in keeping up with PC, they push those framerates quite hard, and playing at 720p on my xbox gets a bit jaggy at times. I mean still very playable, just not quite as smooth and fast as PC, but maybe I notice that more since I have my PC hooked up to the TV.

Waaghpowa:

TypeSD:
Great video!! Absolute truth about PC gaming right there.

*hides GTX 580 SLi*

Give it a year and I'll have 2 of those...

get a 680...

AC10:

Additionally, Recettear actually does require a pretty powerful computer because it was optimized like absolute shit.

capitalism hooo!

i felt that was necessary right there...

OT: nice, i usually don't watch these but was slightly intrigued, and liked it. Def will check out more in the future.

Soooooooo, Jim worships Slaanesh right?

Anyway good vid, haters gonna hate etc. etc.

Matthew94:
Great video, but I hated eye. It was a buggy piece of shit and infinite respawning really pisses me off when a fucking attack chopper comes at you every minute along with rocket launcher wielding goons.

Now if only console players would listen to this video...

You don't need to upgrade a PC every year and it doesn't cost thousands for a PC. Also the games are cheaper.

The mis-information annoys me.

I never had Any bugs in EYE whatsoever. Not even One.
Its certainly not a Game that holds your Hand, but the game isnt about the Player - The Warfare is seperate to you. But then, ive heard others who get Crashes every 2 feet.

Heh

OT: It is Nice that Stereotypes can be cleared out from time to time.

Matthew94:
Great video, but I hated eye. It was a buggy piece of shit and infinite respawning really pisses me off when a fucking attack chopper comes at you every minute along with rocket launcher wielding goons.

Now if only console players would listen to this video...

You don't need to upgrade a PC every year and it doesn't cost thousands for a PC. Also the games are cheaper.

The mis-information annoys me.

But it's not misinformation. If I want to play something like Dues EX I do need a really good and really expensive computer. A lot of the big mainstream games are graphics intensive and you can't get past the fact that you need a computer than can cope with that. You don't /need/ to put lots of money into a good computer, it's just if you don't do so you miss most of the mainstream releases...?

I don't particularly buy the whole genre argument some people mentioned in the facebook comments. RTS games are a tad trickier, but I'm comfortable enough with any other genre to play just fine. But hey, unless I exclusively stuck to one genre, I couldn't see much reason to buy an entire new machine for a tad more convenience.

That being said I agree with the video. I use both consoles and a PC. The consoles are for mainstream titles (with the occasional Xbox Live Indie game) while my PC gaming is done pretty much exclusively via Steam. I love buying old games that are years old at discounted prices. There are quite a few I wanted back in the day I could never afford, and I'm free to play them. It's also where I go to play the strange Indie games. None of my PC games are particularly graphic intensive, but I love them all the same. (Unless the graphics are outright ugly it doesn't really reduce my enjoyment of the game) There's no doubt the PC offers are truly unique experience I wouldn't otherwise have, but I don't think I'd put all my eggs in that basket. So yes, I do both, and frankly it works out cheaper than just buying one high-performance computer. : )

Edit: It should be obvious, but I'm referring to the new Dues Ex.
Oh, and I'm really enjoying your videos Jim. I don't like your earlier ones, but most your newer ones are entertaining and make some interesting arguments.

my pc has a Q6600 intel CPU, and a 3850 graphic card from ati and i still can run the newest games with a resolution of 1920x1080 and everything on high. no problems.

i did play "amnesia" and "the void" and they are both good games. sure they are not up to date with the graphics but the games as such are good. "amnesia" was good but dint find it scary at all. "the void" was really something special. use colours to defend and fight..., no way you can do this with a controller (console), to draw these symbols. i can recommend "the void" if you like something different for a change. surely worth a look. but its a slow game but really special made. available on steam ;) .
i also play doom on my system so as duke 3d. its hard not to play these classics.

sure, graphics are important but does not have to look amazing. as long it suits well with the atmosphere it wants to create, thats all i need. thats why i cant understand some people who complain about the source engine. i think its still a very good looking graphic which looks amazing and detailed. its hardware friendly and it works perfectly on slow pc's.

Baneat:

sir.rutthed:
Error 200 Stream not found. Please fix.

Works just fine.

A: What's that big sword?
B: What's that game that looked like Serious Sam but had a few weapons I haven't seen?

Thanks to the 9 people that have answered this question, you can stop now!

I don't know about the sword either, then maybe fan boy love to Warhammer?
That serious Sam game is Serious Sam 2, and Serious Sam 3.

I liked it, a lot, thank you Jim. *huge smile*

My only ask, could you make a small definition for each video, please?

Love "Jester's of the Moon" in the background. anyway I totally agree that you find incredibly good games that don't require a beast to run. Especially when the originality of next gen games has gone completely down the toilet (I'm looking at you MW3 and BF3).

Only problem with PC gaming as I see it is that the primary PC gaming operating system is owned by a company that's best interest is to see PC gaming die in a fire.

Well, console gaming does have one advantage: No DRM.

Anyways, did we really need another video about how great pc gaming is? Yes, it's good, thanks, I really needed to be told that again. Also, nothing better then being told something we've heard a million times from a pompous annoying obese asshole.

Piecewise:
Well, console gaming does have one advantage: No DRM.

What?

Kapol:
My main problem with PC gaming is (and this is something I'll likely take a lot of crap for and is entirely personal preference) the mouse and keyboard layout. I hate mouse and keyboard. It drives me insane. Don't get me wrong, I still play some that require it from time to time. Games like Killing Floor get used every so often. But, as I'm getting more into PC gaming thanks to having a decent laptop and a fairly good gaming rig, I normally just end up using my wired 360 controller at this point. But not having controller as an option has caused me to not buy games I otherwise would have bought in a heartbeat.

Other then that, my problem with the main platform of PC gaming, Steam, is that you don't actually own your games and they reserve the right to take access to them away from you for just about any reason they can think of. That, for me, is a major problem. And since a lot of bigger-named games are using Steam as their DRM, it makes it unavoidable.

I do think that it's fairly funny that the same group who says 'graphics don't matter as much as gameplay' to defend their 'system of choice' so quickly go to the fact that PC games can have better graphics as a defense.

Read the EULA of any PC game, unless you bought it before 2005 or from from GOG you don't own it either, you just have a licence to use it. Don't go accusing Bioware of selling their souls to EA either.

Graphics are nice and all and I'll admit I do like a good looking game, however the games I'm playing the most at the moment are Frozen Synapse, Minecraft, and well yes Deus Ex: Human Resources is an ok looking game but not overly resource intensive.

octafish:

Kapol:
My main problem with PC gaming is (and this is something I'll likely take a lot of crap for and is entirely personal preference) the mouse and keyboard layout. I hate mouse and keyboard. It drives me insane. Don't get me wrong, I still play some that require it from time to time. Games like Killing Floor get used every so often. But, as I'm getting more into PC gaming thanks to having a decent laptop and a fairly good gaming rig, I normally just end up using my wired 360 controller at this point. But not having controller as an option has caused me to not buy games I otherwise would have bought in a heartbeat.

Other then that, my problem with the main platform of PC gaming, Steam, is that you don't actually own your games and they reserve the right to take access to them away from you for just about any reason they can think of. That, for me, is a major problem. And since a lot of bigger-named games are using Steam as their DRM, it makes it unavoidable.

I do think that it's fairly funny that the same group who says 'graphics don't matter as much as gameplay' to defend their 'system of choice' so quickly go to the fact that PC games can have better graphics as a defense.

Read the EULA of any PC game, unless you bought it before 2005 or from from GOG you don't own it either, you just have a licence to use it. Don't go accusing Bioware of selling their souls to EA either.

Graphics are nice and all and I'll admit I do like a good looking game, however the games I'm playing the most at the moment are Frozen Synapse, Minecraft, and well yes Deus Ex: Human Resources is an ok looking game but not overly resource intensive.

I suppose that only really strengthens my arguement against it in that respect. But even ones you download from others places (GOG, Amazon, etc) won't lock you out for being 'banned' from them (though I doubt you could be banned from those places anyways unless you got caught doing something illegal like using other's credit cards). It might be in the EULA, but Steam, or any other major 'pc platform' I suppose, makes it easy to lock you out of all of your games for doing something wrong in just one of them.

Also, where did the Bioware thing come from anyways? I don't remember mentioning them at all...

I'd say that Frozen Synapsis and Minecraft don't really use great graphical power because they decide to go with a very stylized look. Sort of like what they did for Limbo; get rid of the need for graphics since there's no budget to make them by giving the game 'it's own style.' Not that that's a bad thing mind you.

Kapol:
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Also, where did the Bioware thing come from anyways? I don't remember mentioning them at all...
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EA locked a guy out of Dragon Age 2 completely because he said the Bioware had sold their souls to EA on a Bioware forum. It isn't just Steam that can stop you accessing your software. Ubisoft, EA and others can do it too.

Jumplion:

bahumat42:
Again not really?
stating a fact doesnt mean that you can't have you opinions that disagree with it. For example take this
Avatar is a beautiful movie
But i hate it.
(both true facts but lets not divert the topic too much)

Another example would be to say i was trying to convince somebody that aston martins are amazing cars, primarily i love them due to their looks and everything else is unimportant to me, but in the case of trying to convince some body of other tastes then the point of its speed or mileage would be valid to raise.

That's not what I'm trying to say. From where I stand, you're saying that these are just opinions. I'm saying that these are inconsistencies from fervent PC gamers (and make no mistake, I am one as well).

It's more like, say, if someone was going on about how visuals don't matter in a story, and then lambasting someone for having a 24-inch Plasma TV when their 46-inch LCD brings out a much higher quality picture with three times the refresh rate. Or, say, someone goes on to state how they don't care how bad their car looks so long as it gives good mileage, and then one day goes off about aesthetics of aerodynamic cars and sleek design scoffing at others who can't keep up with modern design.

Now, there's a difference between simply trying to get the best out of your machine, graphics-wise or not, and just doing a 180 in the "graphics don't matter" department which is what I see at times.

thats just bragging rights, again like trying to prove a point you use whatever ammunition you have regardless of if it fits with your ideals.

lol This is so freaking true.

I can play Crysis 2 on max graphics and it looks so freaking beautiful you want to cry but OH MY GOD do I feel horribly guilty when I wander off and play Arcanum or Bastion or somthing.

I imagine looking across to the perpex window of my rig and seeing my second GTX580 graphics card with a forever alone face taped on to it.

:<

If anything really high spec games are the least of what I play. Even Skyrim doesn't have DX11 and tessalation. (Although there is going to be a high res texture pack I think)

However Crysis 2, DA2 and to a lesser extent Deus EX (The TR:Underworld engine? Really guys?).
look absolutely, rainbow spewingly, gorgeous.

Why wasn't Dwarf Fortress mentioned as low graphic, highly immersive PC game. It's ASCII (can g et graphics pack) and its the best game I have ever played.

WTF?

So you start the video by naming multiplat titles (Torchlight, Portal 2), mention PC's second biggest flaw (constant upgrades) and downplay that by syaing that you can play old games on it like as if only PC offers that ability - forgetting PSN and Virtual Console much?

This video is nothing more than highly biased BS. The biggest flaw that PC gaming has is the elitist fanboys who are fed by this kind of misinformed gobbledygook. Guess what, PC is no better and no worse than consoles in all reality. Both have moments of greatness, due to some very creative titles (minecraft, LBP, etc) ; and moments that are not so great due to reliance on stagnant genres (*cough*FPS*cough*); and everything in between. I myself prefer to be able to experience this by not having to place a small fortune in upgrading every other year (money saved that I can put into more games), but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Videos like this do nothing but feed the appetite of voracious elitist fanboys by providing only half of the equation. We need less of them.

If you like PC, great! I do enjoy some PC games as well (Starcraft, Civ). But don't try to convince me that most of the nonsense in this video can ONLY be applied to PC. I play a lot of old games, on my consoles. Do I care if they don't always look all new and shiny? No, I don't.

s69-5:
WTF?

So you start the video by naming multiplat titles (Torchlight, Portal 2), mention PC's second biggest flaw (constant upgrades) and downplay that by syaing that you can play old games on it like as if only PC offers that ability - forgetting PSN and Virtual Console much?

This video is nothing more than highly biased BS. The biggest flaw that PC gaming has is the elitist fanboys who are fed by this kind of misinformed gobbledygook. Guess what, PC is no better and no worse than consoles in all reality. Both have moments of greatness, due to some very creative titles (minecraft, LBP, etc) ; and moments that are not so great due to reliance on stagnant genres (*cough*FPS*cough*); and everything in between. I myself prefer to be able to experience this by not having to place a small fortune in upgrading every other year (money saved that I can put into more games), but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Um, sorry, but I don't mean to be a dick or anything (I dunno what it is about this forum that just makes us all raging savages...) but I don't recall him saying anything about constant upgrades other than the fact that he is upgrading THIS YEAR for battlefield 3.

Also, time and time again, us PC gamers have been trying to say that "Constant upgrades" is a myth. Those who upgrade bi-yearly are usually hardware-nuts who like me love the feeling of building a PC, or have a game that is not available on console that has rather steep requirements for one reason or another. But Just because you can't play crysis on full doesnt make you a non-PC gamer. Don't listen to the hardliners. You can probably get away with upgrading every 4 years and still be able to play modern games in the 5th (albeit with tuned down settings).

Its just while we are elitist often, it doesnt help if opposition and critics of PC gaming spread misinformation like that. Again, I'm sorry if I'm coming off as elitist, but I just want to, as many PC gamers, clear up that myth.

EverythingIncredible:
On the other side of the coin, I find plenty of games on consoles that would never be adequately told on PCs. Particularly games by From Software like Armored Core and Demon's Souls.

Sure, you could emulate it. But you will never have the true experience of playing those kinds of games when at your desk.

That's only because of the bane of the gaming industry - exclusivity. I would love to see Armored Core on PC. We need a good mech sim game on PC since Microsoft bought rights to the Mechwarrior series, turned it into an arcade style shitfest, and made it console-only.
I would have even bought the giant expensive specialised controller for it.

My problem with PC gaming isn't financial, got nothing to do with upgrading my computer or anything like that. No, my issue is that every single person I know who labels themselves as a PC Gamer is such an elitist fuckpuppet about it and all spend frighteningly large amounts of time telling me how inferior my consoles are to their PCs that it makes me avoid it almost entirely out of spite.

Damn. I saw that chainsword in the gamestop rewards program (lol people who hate gamestop) for like, 80000 points, and it was in limited quantities....and it ran out within a couple hours.

If there's one thing that warhammer fans are known for it's a disposable income.

Danzavare:

Matthew94:
Great video, but I hated eye. It was a buggy piece of shit and infinite respawning really pisses me off when a fucking attack chopper comes at you every minute along with rocket launcher wielding goons.

Now if only console players would listen to this video...

You don't need to upgrade a PC every year and it doesn't cost thousands for a PC. Also the games are cheaper.

The mis-information annoys me.

But it's not misinformation. If I want to play something like Dues EX I do need a really good and really expensive computer. A lot of the big mainstream games are graphics intensive and you can't get past the fact that you need a computer than can cope with that. You don't /need/ to put lots of money into a good computer, it's just if you don't do so you miss most of the mainstream releases...?

if you are statisfied with playing it on a graphical level identical to an xbox360, you can get a very, VERY cheap pc, for less or about the same as you would have to invest in a console. of course, if you want everything cranked up to the max, you'll have to pay for it. but don't forget: an xbox is just a small, pretty outdated pc itself. how many years is that thing old now? 4? you can get a 4 year old pc with similar power for next to nothing. this age old argument for consoles is nothing but fabrication and/or misinformed drivel.

What the fuck. Chainsword replica. Want, want it like ...like a triple cunted hooker.

weirdguy:
Damn. I saw that chainsword in the gamestop rewards program (lol people who hate gamestop) for like, 80000 points, and it was in limited quantities....and it ran out within a couple hours.

If there's one thing that warhammer fans are known for it's a disposable income.

Armies and tables cost a s*** ton

Escapist could quite easily have practised some quality control and maybe not pay their inferior content providers but instead pay those that might want to leave when not paid.

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