Jimquisition: The Beautiful Irony of PC Gaming

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Ahhh excellent. Jim is actually an Astartes! I learn something new everyday.

Hopefully he is a dreadnought!

I agree, but then I don't know if anyone can disagree with this video. After all, Jimquisition is Divine.
On point though, I just bought a game called Avadon from Steam, and the sprites would run on on a Macintosh Classic I daresay. Not only that, but in checking the dev forums apparently it's a line of games of the same type, so there's even a following for this sort of thing.

I'll probably be missing out on the glitter of the year; I'm far more inclined to purchase EYE than I am Witcher 2. Battlefield and Deus Ex - not going to happen either. Skyrim should be nice though.

Well, a moderately decent machine should be able to handle any game in existence at high if not maxed graphics.
My other machine was moderately decent 5 goddamn years ago, and it still runs any game I throw at it.

Sgt. Sykes:
The biggest problem with graphics is that good graphics is insanely expensive to make. Furthermore, the scale is more logarithmic than linear. 10% increase in 'graphics quality' can cost 50% more. So yes, you graphics whore, shut up. We can chose between stupid short simple linear games with 'gooooood' graphics every year or two, or complex, huge games with poorer graphics which take longer to make. Oh wait, we don't have the choice anymore. The short retarded games for graphics whores have won. Well, thanks.

Erm, who was this aimed at? i.e. who is 'You Graphics Whore'? I'm pretty sure the consoles pushed the industry towards the 'pretty but shallow' end of the market. Smaller game worlds, smaller maps, smaller player counts in multiplayer. Not trying to dump on the consoles, I own a few, but yeah...

But no, I don't think the 'best' PC games have shit graphics. Don't even start with Minecraft or WOW. Let's be realistic here. Crysis was great and graphics was a good part of that. Graphics is important. Portal wouldn't be Portal without it's style. Yes, it's about STYLE, not about the number of polygons, thousands of motion captures and whatever. Developers, just make the graphic appropriate for the given game. No need to upscale all the time.

Agreed.

lax4life:
Soooooooo, Jim worships Slaanesh right?

Anyway good vid, haters gonna hate etc. etc.

I'm actually a Tzeentch man, myself. Gotta keep it spicy!

lithium.jelly:

EverythingIncredible:
On the other side of the coin, I find plenty of games on consoles that would never be adequately told on PCs. Particularly games by From Software like Armored Core and Demon's Souls.

Sure, you could emulate it. But you will never have the true experience of playing those kinds of games when at your desk.

That's only because of the bane of the gaming industry - exclusivity. I would love to see Armored Core on PC. We need a good mech sim game on PC since Microsoft bought rights to the Mechwarrior series, turned it into an arcade style shitfest, and made it console-only.
I would have even bought the giant expensive specialised controller for it.

I probably should have worded that differently.

It has nothing to do with exclusivity. I'm saying that there are games out there are that are better off played on a couch with a controller in hand rather than on your desk.

WAIT-WAIT-WAIT-WAIT... WAIT! PC Gamers were all over graphics? I though we called console gamers for kiddies because they were the ones all over that kind of stuff.

What has NOT been mentioned in this (quite good) video is, some console gamers can only play console games. e.y.e. sounds terribly complicated and that puts off people who are used to "this is the key to shoot, this is the one to walk, go play the goddamn game" approach the developers have been using recently. Reccettear also, when you're used to casually controlling the menus using buttons, having to race against time or use the mouse in a spreadsheet-like menu can be off-putting.

I'm talking as a PC-exclusive gamer and I think that these are the reasons why the console gamers use "IT COSTS $5000 EVERY MONTH" argument, not because it costs a lot (it doesn't), it's because some PC gaming concepts are alien and strange to them so they are afraid of facing them.

EverythingIncredible:

I probably should have worded that differently.

It has nothing to do with exclusivity. I'm saying that there are games out there are that are better off played on a couch with a controller in hand rather than on your desk.

Oh, I see what you mean now. Although I'll still disagree with it somewhat. I prefer to play games at my desk, gaming on the couch doesn't feel comfortable to me. Other people prefer the couch, of course. And with most modern video cards that can output through HDMI to your TV, plus a wireless controller, you can play anything you like from your couch, whether it's on PC or console.

lithium.jelly:

EverythingIncredible:

I probably should have worded that differently.

It has nothing to do with exclusivity. I'm saying that there are games out there are that are better off played on a couch with a controller in hand rather than on your desk.

Oh, I see what you mean now. Although I'll still disagree with it somewhat. I prefer to play games at my desk, gaming on the couch doesn't feel comfortable to me. Other people prefer the couch, of course. And with most modern video cards that can output through HDMI to your TV, plus a wireless controller, you can play anything you like from your couch, whether it's on PC or console.

I'd hate to have such a setup. Because when I say that there are games that are better meant to be played on a couch with a controller, there are also plenty of games that are better played on a desk. And there's nothing that would get me to browse the web from a couch.

Sgt. Sykes:
The biggest problem with graphics is that good graphics is insanely expensive to make. Furthermore, the scale is more logarithmic than linear. 10% increase in 'graphics quality' can cost 50% more. So yes, you graphics whore, shut up. We can chose between stupid short simple linear games with 'gooooood' graphics every year or two, or complex, huge games with poorer graphics which take longer to make. Oh wait, we don't have the choice anymore. The short retarded games for graphics whores have won. Well, thanks.

Let me tell you how wrong you are with an example.
The witcher 2 was made by 1/3 of the budget of dragon age 2.
We all know which game had better graphics.

Danzavare:

Matthew94:
Great video, but I hated eye. It was a buggy piece of shit and infinite respawning really pisses me off when a fucking attack chopper comes at you every minute along with rocket launcher wielding goons.

Now if only console players would listen to this video...

You don't need to upgrade a PC every year and it doesn't cost thousands for a PC. Also the games are cheaper.

The mis-information annoys me.

But it's not misinformation. If I want to play something like Dues EX I do need a really good and really expensive computer. A lot of the big mainstream games are graphics intensive and you can't get past the fact that you need a computer than can cope with that. You don't /need/ to put lots of money into a good computer, it's just if you don't do so you miss most of the mainstream releases...?

I don't particularly buy the whole genre argument some people mentioned in the facebook comments. RTS games are a tad trickier, but I'm comfortable enough with any other genre to play just fine. But hey, unless I exclusively stuck to one genre, I couldn't see much reason to buy an entire new machine for a tad more convenience.

That being said I agree with the video. I use both consoles and a PC. The consoles are for mainstream titles (with the occasional Xbox Live Indie game) while my PC gaming is done pretty much exclusively via Steam. I love buying old games that are years old at discounted prices. There are quite a few I wanted back in the day I could never afford, and I'm free to play them. It's also where I go to play the strange Indie games. None of my PC games are particularly graphic intensive, but I love them all the same. (Unless the graphics are outright ugly it doesn't really reduce my enjoyment of the game) There's no doubt the PC offers are truly unique experience I wouldn't otherwise have, but I don't think I'd put all my eggs in that basket. So yes, I do both, and frankly it works out cheaper than just buying one high-performance computer. : )

Edit: It should be obvious, but I'm referring to the new Dues Ex.
Oh, and I'm really enjoying your videos Jim. I don't like your earlier ones, but most your newer ones are entertaining and make some interesting arguments.

You don't need a really expensive PC to run deux ex. I have a 2 year old PC that was around 600 and it runs DE:HR just fine at 1920x1080. A cheaper PC these days could run it with no issues.

Zing:

Piecewise:
Well, console gaming does have one advantage: No DRM.

What?

Should say " None of the obtrusive, data mining drm that pc has to deal with, like origin."

Matthew94:

You don't need a really expensive PC to run deux ex. I have a 2 year old PC that was around 600 and it runs DE:HR just fine at 1920x1080. A cheaper PC these days could run it with no issues.

Same here mate i built my pc around a year & a half ago for around 500 & ive yet to come across a game it cant run no problem & generally with most of the highest settings on just like Dues Ex runs no problem on my pc & all i'm missing out on is the tessellation.

Two of your first 4 examples are available on console...

What I say I miss about PC gaming is that i cant play Company of Heroes anymore without getting a new rig, since my wifes laptop is built for...well word processing and playing blu rays when we are on vacation.

But to be honest I have saved literally thousands of dollars in upgrades and new rigs since my old PCs motherboard fragged my processor and video card.

No I dont get to play a few good games on PC, namely the Witcher 1 and 2, Company of Heroes, and very possibly Diablo 3, but...I still have plenty of good games to play on my 360.

EverythingIncredible:

I'd hate to have such a setup. Because when I say that there are games that are better meant to be played on a couch with a controller, there are also plenty of games that are better played on a desk. And there's nothing that would get me to browse the web from a couch.

Yes but thats no reason to pick a console over a PC, my xbox360 pad works no problem with my PC from across the room on my couch no extra work needed PC can already just do both.

Piecewise:

Zing:

Piecewise:
Well, console gaming does have one advantage: No DRM.

What?

Should say " None of the obtrusive, data mining drm that pc has to deal with, like origin."

It's getting there, look at online passes.

smokeyninjas:

EverythingIncredible:

I'd hate to have such a setup. Because when I say that there are games that are better meant to be played on a couch with a controller, there are also plenty of games that are better played on a desk. And there's nothing that would get me to browse the web from a couch.

Yes but thats no reason to pick a console over a PC, my xbox360 pad works no problem with my PC from across the room on my couch no extra work needed PC can already just do both.

Here's the thing though.

Games that work well on Consoles tend to be on consoles and games that work well on PC tend to get put on PC.

I say: Get both. There are plenty of awesome experiences on both PC and consoles.

They're both too unique to really classify that one is "better" than the other.

octafish:

Kapol:
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Also, where did the Bioware thing come from anyways? I don't remember mentioning them at all...
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EA locked a guy out of Dragon Age 2 completely because he said the Bioware had sold their souls to EA on a Bioware forum. It isn't just Steam that can stop you accessing your software. Ubisoft, EA and others can do it too.

Aye, and I mentioned that they can ban you from single games. But EA didn't block him from every PC game he'd ever bought from them either, like Steam can. And that got fixed pretty quickly after it hapened as well (though that was likely to avoid bad PR). I'd much rather worry about being banned from each of my games individually if I do something fairly small in them then to worry if I'll be banned from all my games for doing something wrong in one of them or breaking the rules in some way that was never made clear.

Doug:
Erm, who was this aimed at? i.e. who is 'You Graphics Whore'? I'm pretty sure the consoles pushed the industry towards the 'pretty but shallow' end of the market. Smaller game worlds, smaller maps, smaller player counts in multiplayer. Not trying to dump on the consoles, I own a few, but yeah...

Consoles surely have some blame in the 'dumbization' of games, but 'short but pretty' didn't come from consoles. I remember the first AAA shooters that were under 10 hours long: Max Payne and Star Trek Voyager Elite Force. Both were huge hits, have gotten great reviews and basically became cult classics - despite being so short. On the other hand, consoles were home for long, elaborate, rather complex RPGs. Even Halo, the first mainstream console shooter, was quite elaborate for its time when you think about it.

Consolitis exists but it's definitely not as bad as it used to be a few years ago, games are regaining some complexity (see Deus Ex -> DE:IW -> DE:HR). Graphics on the other hand, was always pushed by PC gaming. And graphics is expensive to make, thus corners need to be cut.

At least that's my 2 cents.

my onley gameyng device is my PC (and a phone that hase sudoku) and i don't give a s**t about graphics... i only play older games and try new ones after they've proven to be awesome aftereveryone stops caring about how they lock... oh and this is how i treat the hole continuus ubgrade thing: every 5 years i buy a new witch i never upgreade... who says onley console gamers can do that?

I've always stuck to pc gaming for two reasons really...

1 - I'm always going to own a pc anyways, so for a little bit more, I can make it quite friendly to games.

2 - I prefer mouse and keyboard over any other control system.

So I haven't seen the need to own a console that just plays games - though yes, I'm aware that that statement is no longer true for the latest gen of consoles. I haven't owned a console since the days of the Sega, and frankly, I only got that console since I had an operation coming up and knew I was gonna be confined to bed or a couch during recovery.

However, Rockstar games seems to be intent of forcing me to buy a console; since they absolutely refuse to release Red Dead Redemption for pc... It's actually the first game that has really made me consider buying a console.

the only reason i dont do PC is because i dont have one of my own. as soon as i get a computer, im installing Halo 1, Portal, Minecraft, Tribes, etc etc.

Vibhor:
Let me tell you how wrong you are with an example.
The witcher 2 was made by 1/3 of the budget of dragon age 2.
We all know which game had better graphics.

Witcher 2 was made in Poland, BioWare is based in California. Salaries in Poland are 1/5 to of those in the US. So if Witcher 2 was made in the US, it would cost several times the budget of DA2.

Look here and here. Computer Programmer - Poland $892, U.S. $4,141. And programmers are paid the best in these eastern European countries, artists earn less.

an elegant Officers Chainsword, damn you Jim, you magnificent bastard

Matthew94:

Piecewise:

Zing:

What?

Should say " None of the obtrusive, data mining drm that pc has to deal with, like origin."

It's getting there, look at online passes.

Yeah, but you can still buy the game without having to deal with always on drm or some sort of digital distribution system that never lets you actually own the game. There are a lot of pc games that force you to go through shit like that just to buy them, and there's no other way to do so.

Truth. I still play Star Wars Force Commander (best Star Wars RTS ever) right after Third Age Total War, so yeah, graphics aren't everything. Though I still don't play anything 2D. Oh, did I mention I also play old games like Ocarina of Time on my PC? Yeah, PCs can do that.

EverythingIncredible:

smokeyninjas:

EverythingIncredible:

I'd hate to have such a setup. Because when I say that there are games that are better meant to be played on a couch with a controller, there are also plenty of games that are better played on a desk. And there's nothing that would get me to browse the web from a couch.

Yes but thats no reason to pick a console over a PC, my xbox360 pad works no problem with my PC from across the room on my couch no extra work needed PC can already just do both.

Here's the thing though.

Games that work well on Consoles tend to be on consoles and games that work well on PC tend to get put on PC.

I say: Get both. There are plenty of awesome experiences on both PC and consoles.

They're both too unique to really classify that one is "better" than the other.

Don't get me wrong ive got an xbox360 & a ps3 but i only use them for console exclusive games.
If theirs a choice i'd always take PC version unless it's a shockingly bad port.

Thabn

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Arina Love:
all those titles he was talking about....yeah i don't want to play them, well except Recettear. for everything else i want to play on pc that is exclusive to pc : witcher 2 and diablo III and for them i have to spend money to upgrade my PC. good thing witcher 2 coming to xbox. if my core2duo+8800gts will run Diablo III on very low settings then it's will be first PC game i played in years. My reason i'm on consoles because i like J-RPGs and console exclusives and don't care about graphics so i play on consoles all those games that on PC too, i can upgrade my PC just don't see point.

The "irony" I found here is that it used to be the other way around. If you wanted the highest end graphics, you'd have to buy a console. Simple as that. The consoles set the graphics threshold, and now the opposite has happened with PC.

As for your preferences, well they're very console-biased preferences. Thing is, there is so much more out there and playstyles out there that you won't find anywhere other than the indie PC market.

Swifty714:
Still, console gaming is cheaper. Not trying to undercut PC gaming and its apparent low standards for most popular games. However, even buying a decent rig, can sometimes cost a lot of money for someone who isn't used to shelling out $300+ dollars just so they can run something on mid to low quality. In that case, I rather just stick with the same console for eight years, then pay $120 dollars for the next console that holds my interest, or the next generation has come out.

Possibly, but then again, I can't do work, word processing, video editing and graphics work on my PS3. I CAN do it on my PC however.

So to me, the PS3 is the larger expense.

I completely and utterly agree, though if I were you, I would've mentioned the oldschool BG games aswell as Planescape... but then again I am a massive BG series and Planescape fan.
Also, you write with a chainsword? I hereby declare you, Jim, officially awesome.

I am annoyed by the misconception that you have to upgrade so very often. Thing is if you have a relatively decent machine, i.e with a C2D CPU or something newer and a motherboard that takes PCI-e cards, upgrading wont cost anything even close to a fortune, 'cause basically all you need for gaming is a better video card and more RAM, if you currently don't have much of either.
Take my machine that I built myself for instance... while I did pay a fair amount of money with it (I could literally salvage nothing from my old P4 machine, and I wanted a high-end machine), and I bought me an AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE, a HD 5850, a midend Gigabyte mobo, 4 GB of DDR3 1600Mhz RAM, a high-end case(Antec 1200, love the bloody thing), coolers for both the CPU and video card, and a decent PSU (Chieftec 750W), and that alone didn't really set me back THAT much, 'cause I bought the video card aswell as the coolers later on, I also bought new big wooden speakers and a 24" screen. Now all that set me back a fair amount of money, but when you buy using your brains you wont have to upgrade for YEARS. I bought that machine a year ago, and it still runs anything I throw at it at max (or nearly the max) settings, and when I actually do need an upgrade, all I really need to change is the video card, and maybe add some more RAM (mainly because I tend to keep 100-150 tabs open on FF and that really eats up RAM, and I absolutely hate closing FF when playing games, thankfully not many games require much RAM).
And upgrading a video card is far cheaper than people think, especially if you don't look at the absolute highend and buy used. For instance, my HD 5850 set me back about 200 euros, about the same as my monitor in fact, currently you can get yourself a card that is FAR more powerful for even less than that. Upgrading a PC is FAR cheaper than people think, even I can afford it along with many other niceties(i.e trips, my love for photography, which inevitably requires the purchase of lenses, which in the end will end up setting me back more than my PC did, financially, and so on), and I come from a country where the average wage is two to three times lower than that in most of old Europe(not sure about the average wage in the US tbh). Also, you won't have to upgrade that often nowadays anyway, because games aren't getting much more demanding on average, most games run great on a now 5 year old 8800 GTX for instance.
And PCs technically allow for more depth gameplay-wise, simply because the keyboard holds more buttons than a controller does, too bad few actually make good use of it.
Also, don't think I hate consoles or anything, I've just never enjoyed playing the kinds of games that are better played with a controller than with a mouse and a keyboard enough to warrant a purchase.
Also, bananas and pandas.

jmarquiso:

Arina Love:
all those titles he was talking about....yeah i don't want to play them, well except Recettear. for everything else i want to play on pc that is exclusive to pc : witcher 2 and diablo III and for them i have to spend money to upgrade my PC. good thing witcher 2 coming to xbox. if my core2duo+8800gts will run Diablo III on very low settings then it's will be first PC game i played in years. My reason i'm on consoles because i like J-RPGs and console exclusives and don't care about graphics so i play on consoles all those games that on PC too, i can upgrade my PC just don't see point.

The "irony" I found here is that it used to be the other way around. If you wanted the highest end graphics, you'd have to buy a console. Simple as that. The consoles set the graphics threshold, and now the opposite has happened with PC.

As for your preferences, well they're very console-biased preferences. Thing is, there is so much more out there and playstyles out there that you won't find anywhere other than the indie PC market.

yeah there is but not for me. i rather play (or replay) j-rpg then experiment with indie.

He's got a point.

I mention graphics sometimes, but at the end of the day the PC games that are actually interesting are precisely the ones you pretty much don't see on consoles.

Weird games. Complicated games... Things that don't make much sense. Heavy-duty simulations...
And so on.

So... Yeah. Makes sense.

Akalabeth:
Man if he's going to talk about not needing great graphics for a cool game should mention Civilisation or something of the like.

Funny thing - Civ 4 used to complain about my graphics settings all the time (but ran fine). On the other hand, Civ 5 didn't, but the "lowest settings" at the time was almost unplayable.

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