The Big Picture: Out of the Park

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Bob, thank you so much for this episode. I've run into too many assholes around here thinking exactly in the manner you've pointed out.
Bonus:
I figured the accent thing was just you being very passionate about comics, and dropping the fake voice was your unconscious way of "getting real here folks".

dex-dex:
two things
I am still shocked that people take lessons from South Park.(do these people take lessons from Family guy and any other cartoon?)

Yes, of course it's worse with South Park (probably even worse with Simpsons) because Kyle make one speech for episode but obviously that some people take lessons from cartoons. Your society is too focused in consumption so people will consume ideals and political postures. Some people will prefer to buy their ideas from a rad cartoon than from a 19th century man who had a strange relationship with his nazi sister. I know a guy who takes lessons from New Genesis Evangelion.

I'm fairly certain moviebob addressed that he has a boston accent before. At some point.

The first person I think of when I hear a boston accent is Denis Leary or an old SNL sketch where they said 'wicked' a lot.

South Park gets way too preachy for my tastes. Still a damn funny show. The episodes I enjoy the most are the ones without an obvious message.

Mangue Surfer:
Some people will prefer to buy their ideas from a rad cartoon than from a 19th century man who had a strange relationship with his nazi sister.

Wait, are you talking about Friedrich Nietzsche? Or am I thinking of someone else

OT: You seem to be a bit more non-partisan Bob. Kudos on that.

Robert B. Marks:
I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned, but it's something that I noticed, not only as a South Park fan from season 1 onwards, but also as a self-proclaimed "South Park Conservative" (translation: very centrist, with an occasional smidgeon of a right leaning)...South Park doesn't have its own philosophy because it is based around making fun of the silliness of other philosophies. It is almost pure satire.

Take global warming, for example. The serious AGW people take it to the point of a doomsday cult, rather than "we may have to make some adaptations in a warming world." So, you get an episode like "Manbearpig" or "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow." People turning Obama into a saviour and a divisive election campaign? "About Last Night..."

It's a great show, but if there is a life lesson in it, I don't know if you could take it any farther than "Get some f***ing perspective, already!"

This concept actually is most prominent in their new musical, "The Book of Mormon" (which I had the pleasure of seeing while I was briefly in New York last spring). Without spoiling the show for anyone, the main overarching theme of the show is "religion is about comforting people, not necessarily adhering to a strict ideology or narrative." This is why many religions, such as Islam, Christianity and Buddhism, spread so widely in their heydays; people found comfort in their teachings.

Plus, where else could you hear the phrase "Salt Lake City doesn't exist?"

Were people really making THAT MUCH of a deal out of his Bostonian accent? Seriously? I thought it was general knowlege this guy was from New England, and people from New England sound weird. heck his broadcast voice sounds Bostonian to me, maybe cause I am a midwesterner.

I feel like kind of a dick for being one of the ones making a big deal out of his accent.

I'm surprised that it took this long before you wanted to talk about this issue. I'm so sick of running into smug people that think just because South Park said it that it makes the most sense. When Avatar came out I couldn't stop a conversation from turning to it and everyone say "It's Dances with Wolves".

The accent thing? You sound like The Scout and Kennedy, the glass is half full not half empty. Plus I love accents, doesn't matter which, they're fun.

It could be worse, Bob. You could sound like the Heavy. Your show would be quite more obtuse, thoght a lot more entertaining!

Sorry Bob all I heard was "If you were from where I was from you'd be ****ing dead!"
In all seriousness though, great episode. I've had to fortune to never run into these people but still food for thought.

Does it really matter what his voice sounds like and were he's from? Guy makes me laugh and gives me info lol.

More Boston accent there Bob, we like it!

Well-said, though personally I've never liked South Park I sure as hell wouldn't trust any morals it hands out.

I'm Bob and I'm the Scout.

Just going to throw this out there; when I hear people quoting some stupid adult cartoon for easy referencing to back up their ideas, the show is Family Guy and the people are Liberals.

Are you sure you're not just pissed off at South Park quoting because it contradicts a lot of your own ideas?

Though I'll give those idiots this; when it was laid down on the table exactly how despicable Brian is, most of them shut up.

I really didn't think you'd be one for liking rubbish (South park) Bob.

I honestly could not take south park as any from of philosophical or moral compass. The damn show is just too weird. Yet Bob is right, I agree with him that South Park is a great show but should not be taken seriously. It's South Park.

P.S. Eh... makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up Bob. I'm from the South West, so hearing anything that doesn't sound from like it's south of the border is a fresh pace, but whatever. I like how you sound either way.. but for gods sake, you could pander a little and say BONK! Just once... can't you just say BONK! in your accent? Yeah.. I'm getting a bit nerdish, I'll stop.

I tend to watch south park and agree with it than think it is southpark so it must be right and adopt its "lessons".

This isnt show designed to ask big questions it just parodies pop culture and current attitudes.

So South park is as subjective as 'The 90s sucked". Having not watched an episode of South park for a few years it's good to know they're not actually trying to push some sort of adjenda.

I used to love South Park. I don't know when it happened but at some point they got so any accolades for making good funny points that the show just went crazy. It seemed like every episode was trying to make some point, some of which were stupid/wrong or just an opinion and ended with everyone in the show basking in some artificial revelation.

Its the cartoon equivalent of Glenn Beck going from a retarded shock jock, getting followers, thinking his opinion is infallible and turning into a giant douche.

It wasn't a particular episode, its a trend in the show and I haven't been able to watch it in the last few years. Its just annoying.

If Movie Bob is right then I guess theres a bunch of idiots who GET there opinions from this? Wow.

P.s. Avatar was not Dancing with Wolves, other then similar themes. Stop saying it, it doesnt make you clever. It makes you hating on a good movie for the sake of being a contraian.

Two things:

1. Mormonism is a religion and Scientology is a cult. Both belief systems were mocked on South Park, but the former was determined to be a system that helps people, while the latter was determined to be a money making scam.

2. Many belief systems have points that contradict one another. For instance, Republicans continue to espouse a Pro-Life stance, but yet continue to support the Death Penalty.

not enough difference to notice or care.

I like the accent Bob, makes me think of Car Talk and then fond childhood memories.

Also, while I don't always agree with you, I always see where you are coming from. This episode, however, I agree completely. South Park isn't exposing a point of view, it's just taking the piss out of society.

Bwown:
Two things:

1. Mormonism is a religion and Scientology is a cult. Both belief systems were mocked on South Park, but the former was determined to be a system that helps people, while the latter was determined to be a money making scam.

The distinction is meaningless. Mormons had to flee New York and Illinois because the local population thought they were a nutty polygamist religious cult controlling local politicians with their voting bloc. Which they most likely were. Giving them a pass just because they've been around longer than scientology is a little ridiculous. I think South Park's "message" with their respective scientology and Mormon episodes was that Mormons (that they know) are usually very nice decent people who believe in very crazy things and Scientologists (that are famous) come off as angry confrontational lunatics (which they were at that time).

Yes, there really isn't a coherent political philosophy on this show, outside of what Matt and Trey feel at a given point in time. The Return of Chef show was almost them mocking themselves for the way they mocked Scientology. And Isaac Hayes, as well. You think they'd do a show like that even after he died? I don't think so. The point of ManBearPig isn't that "global warming isn't real." It's that Al Gore is annoying and desperately trying to hang onto his celebrity. Again, they probably wouldn't even make that now, unless he took up some new or fresh cause to stay relevant.

If you DO want to watch something / someone with a strong unified Libertarian political philosophy, I'd highly recommend looking at all the video blogs, radio shows, TV shows, and books by Penn Jillette. The guy can read my mind sometimes.

Bwown:
Two things:

1. Mormonism is a religion and Scientology is a cult. Both belief systems were mocked on South Park, but the former was determined to be a system that helps people, while the latter was determined to be a money making scam.

2. Many belief systems have points that contradict one another. For instance, Republicans continue to espouse a Pro-Life stance, but yet continue to support the Death Penalty.

Aint a religeon just a successful cult? there is really no difference between the two.

christianity was only a cult not a few hundred years ago, then it got lucky same with islam and judaism.

Jedi-ism (or whatever its called) is a cult but promotes sharing, compassion and forgiveness. Are you saying its any less valid than christianity which makes millions (billions even) in profit whilst supporting immorality (proctecting peadophiles, condeming contraception ect.).

Im not going to go into this but religeons are big cults and to use cult negatively and religeon positively is something i find contradictory

WhiteFangofWar:
Not everything sucks, but critical thinking is important.

BLAME CANADA!

I think that's the only coherent message that show ever had :)

So don't listen to the show that says rainforests are evil. Captain obvious everybody.

Generic Gamer:
Just going to throw this out there; when I hear people quoting some stupid adult cartoon for easy referencing to back up their ideas, the show is Family Guy and the people are Liberals.

Are you sure you're not just pissed off at South Park quoting because it contradicts a lot of your own ideas?

Though I'll give those idiots this; when it was laid down on the table exactly how despicable Brian is, most of them shut up.

You know that you don't even have to laid it down yourself ? The show make a case to do it itself with Quagmire being straight to the point with Brian and telling him why he don't like him.

Bob wait, use... "The voice"

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The mormonism/scientology difference isn't inconsistent at all.

People who promote scientology tend to act like dicks, people who promote mormonism are really nice to everyone and the kind of dudes you want as neighbors. And it doesn't matter if mormonism is batshit crazy if the practitioners have good families and help their community are generally good people.

South park is fairly consistent. They mock celebrities because they deserve it, they mock philosophies/points of view that give people an excuse to hate or hurt or look down on other people. In that sense they are libertarian because their targets tend to be people who claim "authority" or "leadership" for whatever reason.

And the only time they came close to promoting authoritarianism in imposing a single point of view is the nambla episode where they even mocked themselves. The "lesson learned" is usually a synthesis or understanding of the opposing points of view. The contrast with nambla was that some points of view, in this case sex with children, are so disagreeable that there is no discussion possible.

That's Bob's actual accent? Mind = Blown

Good episode too.

Drake666:

You know that you don't even have to laid it down yourself ? The show make a case to do it itself with Quagmire being straight to the point with Brian and telling him why he don't like him.

That's the bit I meant actually, I interpret it as Seth Macfarlane basically holding his hands to the heavens and screaming 'what do you admire about this asshole!?'

I've often thought that anyone that takes satire and uses that to base their opinions was pretty moronic.

When I hear a John Stewart argument (He makes fun of things, he's funny) regurgitated, I want to punch them. You don't have an opinion, you have a soundbite and that alone does not make you intelligent.

These satires are food for thought and share an opinion that many will find enjoyable. But they aren't made to dictate your entire opinion. You just can't be that much of a sheep (regardless of where it came from) by regurgitating others soundbites and be taken seriously.

*risking sounding dumb*
so THATS the scouts accent!!! he is from boston!!! finaly mistery solved...

also why did you have to adress the sound issue? that leaves 0% for anione comenting about the actual episode!!! seriously you must have seen this coming!

I always thought that South Park was more of a left wing show. Not that I'd ever take life lessons from it. The occasional episode will have some sort of message, usually deliver by Kyle saying "Today, I learned ....", but I certainly wouldn't use it as a reference point of morality. I mean, seriously, this is a TV show with a talking Towel who just loves to get high.

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