The Big Picture: Out of the Park

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mrblakemiller:
Two things:

1. Please stop doing the "IS WEIRD" thing every chance you get, or at least speed it up at this point. It's a really old joke now that has expanded too far past its original locus. At this point, it's like hearing my dad say, "I can has Geritol?"

2. Who (besides you, apparently) is hearing people base their philosophy on single episodes of South Park? I've never heard of anythign like that, save people linking to pictures that tangentially deal with whatever they are discussing. This episode felt like a filler that pulled five minutes out of "South Park is only in it for the lulz."

1: Agreed. He's milking it now. He's done it in every single episode for at least the past 2 months.

2: Yeah, I hear it all the time.

He almost like those British and Australian actors like Hugh Laurie and Russel Crowe who change their voice for a lot of their work. But I love the voice, man.

I so agree with this. Poking fun at things is way, way, completely and totally divorced from actually being in FAVOR of anything. This is why shows like Penn & Teller's Bullshit can get aired. They're not pushing FOR anything in particular, only AGAINST.

In real life, however, what matters isn't what you're AGAINST but what you are FOR. And South Park (or Bullshit) will never give you any kind of a guide as to what you should be FOR.

Enjoy it for what it is, that's the best you can do.

That being said, the Boston accent is fine if you prefer using it. Yahtzee gets a lot of mileage out of HIS regional accent, after all.

Last week:

Kysafen:
Jesus fucking christ. Do you have to put a

*booming echoey voice here* *medium you're discussing in your episode here* ... ARE... WEIRD!!!!

in every god damn episode? It's getting old. Do something original for a change.

*episode starts*
TV...
IS...
WEIRD!

Well okay, not watching your crap show isn't going to hurt the world, anyway.

The moral I got from this is:
1. South Park is hilarious (not a fan myself)
2. Libs like Bob are extremely irritated that Trey Parker and Matt Stone have right leaning philosophies and try their hardest to ignore it. So don't point it out to them!

I am... rather shocked.

I never knew South Park was in any way, shape or form taken as a political statement. In fact, I never even thought it was particularly meant to attack the people it... eh... well, attacks.

There's this ending to that one Simpsons episode where Lisa asks "So what did we learn today?" and Homer comes back with "Absolutely nothing". I always thought that was pretty much the foundational premise of South Park. It's topical, it's funny and sometimes it just directly insults people for shits and giggles. I mean, Ricky Gervais often picks on pretty much the same targets, and I never thought of *him* as a conservative icon, of all people.

I wonder if this a specifically American thing. Certainly the first I hear of a "South Park Republican".

razer17:
I always thought that South Park was more of a left wing show. Not that I'd ever take life lessons from it. The occasional episode will have some sort of message, usually deliver by Kyle saying "Today, I learned ....", but I certainly wouldn't use it as a reference point of morality. I mean, seriously, this is a TV show with a talking Towel who just loves to get high.

Same. I'm honestly stunned that there was ever a "South Park Conservative" movement - I always thought it was more of a left-wing show, too. They're pretty open about berating those who think they can police the sexuality and reproductive rights of others, a core foundation of conservatism >_>

Yeah, I never liked people who took their ideas from South Park (or from anywhere outside their own personal experience for that matter), but I've always found that 98% of the things Matt and Trey say in that show, I already agree with, and that they explain the reason they hold those views much better than I ever could.

Also, Bob sounding like the Scout automatically makes him a hundred times more badass.

Who the heck cares about that JFK guy. Now Scout, that's a true American hero!

Nice episode Bob. Keep it up

've never gotten into sout park, when i was young (and all friends started watching it) I dismissed it as immature and grossly offensive (but this is when i was about 12, so i took myself & everything WAY too seriously)
Now, so much of my friends speak by saying 'remember that bit in southpark where.....' and it confuses the hell out of me.
of some of the shows I have seen however, I enjoyed their ripping of certain areas of pop culture, or just news items, simply by the insane over the top directions they bring normal, mundane issues to.

Inspired by this episode, ill finally actually sit down and watch them.
Thanks Bob!

First of all: The accent thing is awesome. I kind of admire people able to control their accents, it's almost like speaking a second language.

now about this episode:

I believe South Park serves moral lessons, but do not follow a political agenda. They even joked about it in a episode saying they wouldn't get in the middle of something just to, in the end, deliver a message with their point of view.

The episode of changing south park flag that addresses racism and the episode addressing the media coverage around turning off or not the machine keping alive a terminal patient are two good examples.

Another one concerning gay tolerance:


"Tolerant, but not stupid! Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesn't mean you have to approve of it! ..."Tolerate" means you're just putting up with it! You tolerate a crying child sitting next to you on the airplane or, or you tolerate a bad cold. It can still piss you off!" -- Mr. Garrison

hmm... thinking back I can see one reason or two as to why people think it follows a republican agenda.

Personally I think trying to read any kind of political alignment into a purely burlesque form of satire which has an 'open season' attitude towards almost any topic is completely misguided. What I like about South Park is how self-reflexive it is: the corny music that plays whenever Kyle goes 'I've learned something today', the self-parody in the form of Terrence and Phillip etc. If you can laugh at yourself, regardless of what your political alignment is, you and I are going to get along because in the end everyone has different opinions from time to time, but it's refreshing when someone doesn't hold their views in such hugh regard that they can't mock themselves. That, incidentally, is the main problem with the internet - everyone is so self-righteous.

I almost completely agree with bob. I found alcholism the perfect example.

However Southpark did change my way of looking at some things.
For example the episode about smoking. I used to be very anti-smoke. But not anymore. I let people have their cigaret if they want.

But yeah for the most part it's just two awesome guys making awesome stuff.

Wow, I would have never guess your real voice is the accent.
The accent sounds fabricated where as the voice you normally use sounds natural.
Funny how things work out.

DarthFennec:
Yeah, I never liked people who took their ideas from South Park (or from anywhere outside their own personal experience for that matter), but I've always found that 98% of the things Matt and Trey say in that show, I already agree with, and that they explain the reason they hold those views much better than I ever could.

Also, Bob sounding like the Scout automatically makes him a hundred times more badass.

100 * 0 = 0 :D

Sorry, but Bob is anything but badass.

People actually do the whole south park thing? I can't say that I've ever heard someone use it like that.

I don't get the impression that some people get their political views from South Park as much as they just kind of point to South Park to validate the opinions they already have. Which is kind of bizarre, especially since a lot of the time it's not impossible to find support for two opposing opinions in the same South Park episode.

Not sure that Starship Troopers is an endorsement of military-centric culture rather than a look at what can go wrong with such a culture.

I'm a far-left communist/anarcho-syndicalist/anti-capitalist - "No gay speeches, Kyle!" - and I find my views coincide with the vast majority of the opinions espoused by Matt and Trey through Southpark, and it espouses them very well. So I don't really understand the Southpark Republican thing. Yeah they make fun of Michael Moore, Al Gore and Jesse Jackson, but I do not identify with those people, so fair play. Maybe it's because, in Soviet America, left is right and right is far-right.

Great episode, Bob! Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go pahk my cah in Hahvahd Yahd.

(Actually, damned if I'm spending the couple of hours and ~$16 to pahk my cah anywhere near Hahvahd Yahd, what with the T stop being right there, but you get the idea.)

You know, the "___ IS/ARE WEEEEEEIRD" thing is getting unstoppably annoying to me. I don't think there's anything Bob can do about that, but I just couldn't stand not to say so. It makes me want to stop watching every time it's uttered, but I don't want to miss what's "weeeeeeird" about the subject this time.

Fun to discover I was reading Bob's voice totally wrong.... or maybe more correct, since I read what he publicly puts out? Hmmm... thought must be put into this

Yeah ok I agree with all that, but gingervitus is a real disease and gingers have no souls. South Park has taught us this much at least.

That last bit about the broadcast voice reminded me of my college graduation ceremony. Considering I was in the Comm Arts Department, the professor they had announce our names blew every other speaker out of the water. It is kind of jarring when you let a Biology professor with an awful speaking voice take over the mic right after an old AP sportscaster. >.<

For those people who watched the movie, Trey and Matt basically explained this very point: that people should have their own philosophy on life without basing it on or blaming it on the media. I'm not a huge south park fan, but it seemed like a reasonable enough point.

The accent...frankly I was originally hoping it was just a 'reboot' joke during the comic reboot episode about how we could get a Baaston Bob if we sufficiently offended Jesus. I get that that's how you normally talk, but...it's not a particularly appealing accent. Personally that accent also reminds me way too much of less-than-reputable gentlemen from NYC. If you can keep it under your hat and perhaps only bring it out for special occasions it might not overstay its welcome.

Speaking of overstaying its welcome "[BLANK] IS/ARE WEEEEIRRD" has definitely done so. It was cute the first time or two, but it's just not ominous enough to be funny.

Awesome. I was literally surprised when you pulled out your real voice Bob, I find it to be unique since I hardly hear anyone talk like that anymore (or least where I live). Also, I watched a few episodes of South Park plus a series with my Dad. They were all hilarious but just knowing the moral of the show.. they make everything look bad like you said because the producers want us to know our beliefs/principles suck :I

Besides that, I am fine with that because that's probably what made the show so popular to begin with plus I value everyone's opinions. However, why would anyone compare life issues with South Park? That's the worst thing you can do besides whatever else comes to mind. The show is based on comedy and sheer randomness in good timing so I couldn't ever imagine how politics can be sourced with South Park.. I mean Cartman tried to run as a politician and well ALL know how that turned out.

Well, I don't watch much South Park, but I think the reason some people think that Matt and Trey are trying to espouse a particular viewpoint is that, for a lot of the episodes, they completely drop the jokes in favour of straight-up sermonizing. It wasn't like that in the first few seasons, and I think that's part of the reason I don't watch it much anymore, because I find it very tiresome.

Noelveiga:

There's this ending to that one Simpsons episode where Lisa asks "So what did we learn today?" and Homer comes back with "Absolutely nothing". I always thought that was pretty much the foundational premise of South Park. It's topical, it's funny and sometimes it just directly insults people for shits and giggles.

Honestly,that's a fact. There is nothing South Park hasn't made fun of,the only time where a problem came up was in 200 & 201,which is why they were heavily censored AND never rerun again.

They didn't want to be blown up.

So yeah,I'm glad I didn't miss those episodes,because if I did,I could never see them again without buying the whole damn box set. Even then it's still censored.

OT:SERIOUSLY? There are people who use South Park as an example for living. what.
I'm sorry,but that makes no sense. But then again,some people don't know how to think for themselves I suppose,real sad.

DarthFennec:
Yeah, I never liked people who took their ideas from South Park (or from anywhere outside their own personal experience for that matter), but I've always found that 98% of the things Matt and Trey say in that show, I already agree with, and that they explain the reason they hold those views much better than I ever could.

That's generally how I feel about it.(I tend to agree even with the alcoholism episode, as it's not a diease, it's a symptom of something wrong with a person. Anything can be a addictive coping mechanicism. Hording, video game,s drugs etc. They re keeping us from seeing the real things wrong with ourselves we aren't happy about when it's not done in moderation.) They tend to get it right, not that I base my original conclusions off of South Park. Like Scientology, my father and great uncle both were deeply into it. My father took the good parts, and toss the rest away. He said, Scientology is not a faith but a business.

Ultimately my parents never shoved any faith down my throats despite I went to Church, and sunday school for a bunch of years with my sibling and my mom. The main theme I was taught by my parents, mainly my father was always take a bunch of different people's opinions and form your own based off their collective experiences and your own. Question everything and understand how it works for yourself. Do not just take people's word for it. That is why I wouldn't accept South Park as a sole means of saying that's why I believe what I believe.

I'm sure there's idiots that take South park as Gospel, but then there's idiots who find Moviebob insightful on his poltical views.(sorry man, you're bleeding heart liberal, my room mate whos a democrat even goes man Bob is waay too liberal for his own good.) May be Bob you should be telling them you're not an absolute either. Somehow I doubt you plan on dispelling your own bubbles.

Well, in my opinion, "getting your philosophy" from someone/something means that you're a twat without the capability to create your own mental compass. Followers in general are annoying. Stupid followers believing they are smart, are even more annoying.

Anyhow, people seem to miss the point with South Park. It isn't a moral philosophy lesson, it's satire. Do you know what satire is? It's about pointing out the stupidity of society by exaggerating it (if necessary).

And Scientology is very different from mormon faith because, guess what, they don't normally recruit by claiming to give a personality test that will give you the feedback that you're depressed and mentally ill, and that they can help you.
That is a huge difference. And, it's also the fact that the scientologists try to keep what their faith really is hidden (the whole Xenu stuff). South Park basically schooled pretty much most of their viewers in scientology by presenting it as comedy.

South park's political/philosophical side is SATIRE.

Don't you guys know what satire is? seriously? It seriously looks like people sue so damn much in the states that people are afraid of being satirical, that's sad.

Aureliano:

Speaking of overstaying its welcome "[BLANK] IS/ARE WEEEEIRRD" has definitely done so. It was cute the first time or two, but it's just not ominous enough to be funny.

Quoted For Truth!
QFT!

I don't want to overly undermine Moviebob's point (I totally agree with it), but it is based on a slightly off interpretation of Parker and Stone's views. They've said before that what they really don't like about Scientology isn't its origin story, but the fact they charge money to be in their Church. Then because they're a comedy show they proceed to mock it while arguing the other way for Mormonism's origin story.

I was oblivious about the South Part phiosophy people... You're using a cartoon that uses violence and bad language as a source of your philosophies? I pitty you so much.

South Park is funny. Why would anyone look deeper into that?

*edit* When I heard the voice effect of IS WEIRD I want to kill someone. Bob... please... no... don't... again. Or I'll be blaming you in my trial.

And what's wrong with the Scout?

Oh right, flimsy hit points, lousy damage unless he's within inches of his target and a lousy selection of hats.

Its better then sounding like a high-rent Boby Kennedy, so there's that.

But don't worry, I'm from California so... like yeah, you know

OT:
I don't shape my views from South Park. On some of the more politically minded episodes, I reconsider my views.

Well I think the point, if any, to be drawn from South Park (and in my eyes Family Guy too) is that you can't just laugh at the bits that take the piss out of stuff you hate, you have to learn to laugh at your own ideas. In this way I think it teaches you to view different opinions to yours in a more balanced way and less dismissively because you can see that from other people's perspectives you arguments may seem idiotic too.

I mean really people. It's just a comedy show. Don't take it so seriously that you make you socio-political beliefs match up with it exactly.

Also:
"Now it just makes me sound like the Scout." Not that there's anything wrong with that! :D

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