Critical Miss: Space Marine

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Space Marine

Lowering your standards, FOR THE EMPEROR!

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Nice.

Although I have to admit I haven't heard anything overly bad about it.

I'd liked this strip and the explanation underneath. The former was funny and the latter was informative and true. People will use any excuse to complain sometimes.

I don't understand the "turning turn-based strategy games into mindless shooter" comment unless you're talking about XCOM, which isn't really a good comparison to Space Marine. There have been lots of W40K computer games and there was only one or two straight adaptations of some of the tabletop games and that was ages ago. Plus making a computer game based on the setting of a tabletop game seems different from making a computer game based on another computer game. Lastly, Space Marine is quite faithful to the setting of W40K while XCOM very much is not faithful to X-COM.

A comic strip and a bit of commentary? Reminds me of Shamus Young... how I miss his presence here.

I welcome the insightful reading. Procure more digital text for me to consume, Mr Carter.

Why are they saying "baw" when they are clearly angry? Isn't "baw" supposed to be used to express sadness? The text doesn't match the artwork -_-

Brilliant! I had a good old chuckle to that one. Keep it up.

The problem with the XCOM game is that it's being called XCOM. The Marketing guys wanted a built-in fanbase, but they miscalculated how the fanbase would react.

As for the grey-brown phenomenon, I think we're approaching a point were we want something less depressing out of our games visually.

Given how the industry works though several games would have to fail hard before they start rethinking gaming trends.

I laughed. Really hard. I dont know why.

I think its because of how much i loved Space Marine.
In an age where games are AAA titles, full of people screaming for you to do things, indie titles where everything has a strange art style, or a generic ripoff of the last successful game to hit the shelves.....

A completely average game is a good change of pace. :) The audio is what really stood out for me though. In the multiplayer, the sounds of war echo loudly through the halls. The explosive power of the lascannon, the revving of blood thirsty chainsaw, the rhythmic pounding of heavy steel boots against a rubble covered floor..... Its a feast for the ears.

Another thing alot of people overlook are the smallest details that makes the game better. Rounds from the Bolters, Plasma bursts from the rifles, and grenades bouncing across the floor are all fit for each side. You can tell where the fire is coming from, and which side is clearly launching it. The bright yellow of space marine rounds crossing your vision as the Possessed purple rounds of Chaos explode against the cover you and your team are behind.

Space Marine is a Brown and Grey shooter full of Space Marines (literally in this case), and to be honest, i wouldnt want this game any other way.

Mr Thin:
A comic strip and a bit of commentary? Reminds me of Shamus Young... how I miss his presence here.

I welcome the insightful reading. Procure more digital text for me to consume, Mr Carter.

I was thinking the same thing. I thought I was reading Shamus's work for a second there and had to snap myself out of it.

Whilst I agree with sayign Space Marine is just average (solid good fun but undeniably workmanlike) I really dont agree with saying its desaturated- the main character is in bright blue armour for one.

I get what you're going for, but come on. It's Warhammer 40k.

In this case, it is actually a little different than X-COM and Syndicate being turned into shooters.

Mostly because those games are REALLY overdue for a proper sequel. The Tabletop Warhammer 40k game is alive and well as well as getting the excellent Dawn of War series not too long ago.

So Space Marine is just a nice diversion. So even if you don't like Space Marine's shooter nature, the series got the recognition it deserved already.

X-COM and Syndicate are different because they're made into shooters because "Turn based strategy is no longer relevant." Which is idiotic and wrong for many reasons.

Frankly, the fact you are one big murderous piece of cover, that gets up and thunders at the foe weilding a big hammer very muck unlike a piece of cover makes this game worthwhile. Shame the campaign is only 8 hours long and the multiplayer only has 4 maps. Cmon THQ bring some more content out.

Space marine was not meant to be some amazing genre defining game. It's game where you play a giant walking tank dressed in blue. And lets face it, for all his purported badassness marcus felix spends an inordinate amount of time shooting from behind a waist high wall. But with titus you get the real deal. The only way titus can be more badass is if his power armor was pink.

Grey Carter:
It's great for people like me, who thrive on unjust mockery of people's hard work

No wonder you like Mock the week. In the way merchandising, can we have critical miss sniper scopes?

All good points. Internet forums are more often than not sinkholes of lazy arguments and grandstanding.

On a more positive note, merchandising is a great idea! "Don't Panic!" from last week's strip might be a nice start and in keeping with this week's theme. Although I guess it isn't very iconic.

Something along the lines of this year's PAX poster might make for an overly complex t-shirt design but would still be pretty sweet. I love Cory's large-scale, detailed images.

dogstile:

Mr Thin:
A comic strip and a bit of commentary? Reminds me of Shamus Young... how I miss his presence here.

I welcome the insightful reading. Procure more digital text for me to consume, Mr Carter.

I was thinking the same thing. I thought I was reading Shamus's work for a second there and had to snap myself out of it.

Indeed. I can't wait until he finishes his book so he can get back here. Well, and so I can read that book.

I'll take 2 fridge magnets and 20 landmines please!

Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

wooty:
Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

If you don't like something of course you won't like hearing about it. I'm sick to death of hearing about Battlefield 3, but that's because I'm not interested in it.

Also that's some nice assuming that people who play Games Workshop games are shut-ins whose opinions don't count. Nice coming from someone with an anime avatar with big bouncing animated boobies. ...nerds are nerds, doesn't make their opinion on anything less valid!

wooty:
Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

Frankly, the reason for the noise around this game is because, unlike many not-DoW games based on this or its sister IP, Space Marine was actually good. How many people actually expected it to be good? I doubt many gave it much more thought (prior to release and especially in development) than as another Gears.

Otherwise, games that are good on their own merits with little copypasta from across the spectrum as is so common in today's gaming world... tend to stand out, even if they are averagely good.

Nice point in the article, but the way you regenerate health in this game alone makes it stand out above all the rest. Sure it might not sell crazy, but it'll be the only fps I'll have played on my 360.

wooty:
Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

That's a bit rude.

I think it's mainly excitement from GW fans who are finally getting some shooter love (barring the mess that was Fire Warrior). I'm really enjoying it, personally, and I haven't even tried the Multiplayer yet.

Heh, its true. People here in my hometown are going nuts over the game even though they swear they're done with space marines after Halo.

Oh and more Critical Miss Indochinese? I want to see a set of fuzzy dice but with people/objects from the series on the sides instead of dots. That would make my car even more nerdy!

Venats:

Frankly, the reason for the noise around this game is because, unlike many not-DoW games based on this or its sister IP, Space Marine was actually good.

Lol, wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut!!!I myself am a 40k fanboy and even i can't say something like that.The game is repetitive and boring.It took me 5 days to finish the campaing, cause if I tried to play for more then an hour a day my brain would laps in a comma.A campaign that makes you stop playing every hour or so in order to rewatch Gasaraki and Black Lagoon for the fourth time that day cannot be called a good campaign.Have you seen the final boss fight - a f*cking QTE.

The multiplayer is Ok, though.

I think the comparison to Ratchet and Clank is probably the best one I've heard. I think the only real comparison to GeoW that actually holds any water is the "bulky guy in armor." Everything else just doesn't match.

The Diabolical Biz:

wooty:
Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

That's a bit rude.

Andy of Comix Inc:

wooty:
Its only been out a while and I'm fed up of hearing about it. Already got a friend who thinks its "the best game ever".......but then again he is a gamesworkshop shut in, so his opinion on this matter doesnt count.

Also that's some nice assuming that people who play Games Workshop games are shut-ins whose opinions don't count.

I didnt say all people who play 40k are shut ins whose opinions don't count, I'm a Tau player myself. Its just if you met this guy, you'd understand what I mean. Hes about 25 stone, in the shop from 9am to 5:30pm at least 6 days out of 7. So I feel that his opinion on Space Marine being "the best game ever" is biased based on that evidence.

I'll admit to being one of those who is sick of the grey and brown shooter genre with overly muscular space marines, but I'm giving Warhammer 40k Space Marines a break on this one. I mean, this is the series that practically CREATED those tropes so it's exempt in my book.

then again, perhaps the guy with Kharn, actually a great guy to be around, The Betrayer as an avatar is NOT the best opinion to use here.

I normally like this strip but it failed this week.

Turning a turn based TABLETOP game (can you even HAVE real time tabletop games? ~.~) into a FPS, and turning a widely popular COMPUTER turn based game into an FPS are very, very different.

Though I see you covered it, I want to reiterate that the problem I have with a lot of these game mechanics is not that they are inherently bad, but rather overused and often out of place.

Cover mechanics, dusty grey/brown environments, ironsight aiming, and limited weapon capacity work fine in games like CoD or Battlefield, in which those mechanics fit the theme and characters the game is trying to evoke. Then, very dim developers try to copy the success of a Modern Warfare game by copying its mechanics and hud onto games that have no place for them.

The quality of a game is not endemic of it's mechanics, but how they use them.

I'm focusing on the commentary here because when it comes to the comic...
Uh... I have nothing to say. Oddly, all the comics of the last few weeks have left me with literally nothing to say. The comic has left no impact on me (bad or good) for that time. Which I guess is a bad impact in itself. I don't want to criticize without a suggestion for improvement but... well, I just haven't liked it lately.

The big difference between this and the Xcom game, aside from the fact that Xcom kept literally nothing from the earlier entries, is the fact that Space Marine isn't being billed as an entry in the game series; it's a videogame based on the fluff attached to a table top game. Think about the Mechwarrior series. The Mechwarrior tabletop game was a pencil and paper RPG (the strategy game was actually called Battletech, for those who don't know.) The Mechwarrior PC games, rather than attempting to do a single player computer version of a multiplayer pencil and paper game, looked at the setting and fluff connected to the series, and made a game that fit into the universe, but did things you couldn't do with a pencil and paper. Space Marine is a spinoff in that vein, rather than a direct entry into some main series.

Space marine could of been so much better, I still enjoy it but it could of been so much more, There was a part when I found an "experimental weapon" which annoyed me because there are no such things, all the weapons are relics that are maintained, there is no "Emperor R&D" section in the mechanicum it's kind of forbidden.

Getting the bit about the self propelled rounds right then missing that was kind of sloppy imo.

The gameplay is a bit sloppy to, to many "press be to complete objective"

Combat could of done with more strategy, space marines aren't half as invincible as they are in this game either, a cover system would of been nice actually, marines get a 3+ armour save but cover save is needed against weapons like plasma cannons, which aren't half as fast as they are portrayed to be in the game either, they weren't even as fast in Dawn of War

instead of being a Warhammer game, its a 3rd person shooter with Warhammer in it.

it's still fun though I'm glad they made it, could of done with a bit more time in the oven though, They should of read more space marine books basically.

AND WTF NO SPLITSCREEN COOPS? /nerdrant

OT: nice comic I agree with what you are saying.

Is Glasses supposed to be a girl? Looks a little curvy on second to last panel, but not so much on the next

First things first: Gives to me the Erin bikini posters with "GELATINOUS HAMBEAST" in bolds type.

Or, I don't know, a whitty T-shirt or something.

But yeah, I really dug this one. And it kind of got me thinking: I don't dislike Gears of War because it's gray and brown, or because everyone's a super muscle dude. It just wasn't very fun for me when I played it. Doesn't make it a bad game and it doesn't mean the industry's crumbling. It just means the game is not for me. I do, however, think that when big-name publishers give their fan base the shaft for whatever contrived reason, that that is pretty indicative of some horrifying trends, but . . . whatever.

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