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Father Time:

blackdwarf:
i don't care that women are half naked in game. k, i find it a bit childish but don't really care. what annoys me is that every female character has the body of a model. that really annoys me and find it really lazy. if developers design a male chararter he is almost always unique: big, stron, weak, short, ugly, good looking, slim, fat and muc more. when they go for a female character: boobs or she is a child. it is so fucking lazy.

I know. I wouldn't mind a few, but it's incredibly lazy to have all of them.

How about an old woman? Or a woman who has most of her body covered up.

I think the best woman they have for not fitting those traits is

image

Wait never mind I forgot about Hilde

why do politicians look like their photo

because part of their campaign is their appearance (since their policies are not important until they are voted in)

they want to look like "that guy I'm going to vote for" so everything about them must be as perfect and as standardized as possible

GreigKM:
Eh, it's inevitable that FiM is gunna get cheep knock-offs
Just like anything popular
No idea why you put that in there, other than to try and start an argument.

Yes but you know that all these other shows are going to be complete rubbish.

That's what happens when the money men at a big studio sniff a potential seam of gold. They try to dig every last nugget out the ground.

Chances are they'll just end up with a big whole in the ground; and a huge amount of money will be wasted on some terrible stillborn cartoon shows that will quickly be forgotten.

well I think the point that Bob was making about the vita is that one dosen't come with the system and the new format is F***** expensive even with the exchange rate, I want 32 gigs on my vita.
Hey people don't knock the remakes I love star fox 3D, by that logic metal gear solid and shadow of colossus shouldn't not get an HD upgrade.

I already kind of expect a bad "Care Bears" reboot that will totally miss the point after the new MLP got big.

Great video. Hopefully the MLP fans dont troll on any of your videos.

Okay, look. The literal definition of feminist might not be negative, but the connotation has been ever since women earned civil rights. Before, it meant someone who thought women should be treated as equals to men. Since that's the norm for everybody today, there's no need to use the word feminist as it once was. Its just assumed.(we now label the woman-hating minority, misogynists, instead.) Now the word feminist is used to describe someone who want women to be treated better than men.

Shjade:
I still don't understand how or why a My Little Ponies series became this internet phenomenon seemingly overnight. Or over any length of time.

Since I won't watch the show, I probably never will, either. It just seems bizarre to me.

I think you've hit the nail straight on the head there. You really won't get the show unless you've watched it. Even if you don't be come a 'brony' you will understand the whole concept it's based upon.

Four example I read all four twilight books pretty much back to back. I thought the first three were average and the four one sucked. I managed to watch part of the first film and gave up because I thought it was that bad.

So......... i suggest you just try and watch a few minutes of MLP just to see what it's about. One 22 minute episode is more than enough to get the gist of the show. At least that way you'll know what everyone's talking about.

And remember people won't hate you for not liking the show after watching and episode.
(despite how militant the fan base comes across)

Draconalis:
The evidence given? What evidence, the assumption you made that I used google? Or the that I used wiki? Great evidence.

The ease with which one could find this information, which is REALLY well documented due to the nerdrage around it.

Neither of the above were assumptions entered. They are, however, evidence of how easily the information could be found.

But honestly, are you really defending the fact that your research skills are legitimately so poor you could not find and affirmatively stated the opposite of information demonstrably found within fifteen seconds?

You can't be serious. That breaks suspension of disbelief.

I liked this one. Nicely done.

internetzealot1:
Okay, look. The literal definition of feminist might not be negative, but the connotation has been ever since women earned civil rights. Before, it meant someone who thought women should be treated as equals to men. Since that's the norm for everybody today, there's no need to use the word feminist as it once was. Its just assumed.(we now label the woman-hating minority, misogynists, instead.) Now the word feminist is used to describe someone who want women to be treated better than men.

You, sir, suck.

No, really, the connotation of feminist has been negative since women earned civil rights? Because the day suffragists got away with it anybody pushing for female rights immediately became a stuck up bitch?

May I redirect you to an old Moviebob point? "Politicially incorrect" doesn't mean "license to be an asshole". Women aren't treated the same way men are in many, many areas of life to this day, and no feminist I know, myself included, has ever claimed to want women to be treated better than men, ever. That's the kind of shit they have to take for maybe pointing out that they feel uncomfortable about sexist jokes in the workplace or that they misogynistic jokes in Duke Nukem were not funny.

I hate when people misusing a word to enforce discrimination claim that they now own it. It's happened to feminist, socialist, atheist, liberal and a bunch of others, especially in America. It's not cool, no matter how widespread it becomes.

He couldn't even pronounce Vita right...

He talked bad about my little pony, prepare for a shitstorm

Noelveiga:
I liked this one. Nicely done.

internetzealot1:
Okay, look. The literal definition of feminist might not be negative, but the connotation has been ever since women earned civil rights. Before, it meant someone who thought women should be treated as equals to men. Since that's the norm for everybody today, there's no need to use the word feminist as it once was. Its just assumed.(we now label the woman-hating minority, misogynists, instead.) Now the word feminist is used to describe someone who want women to be treated better than men.

You, sir, suck.

No, really, the connotation of feminist has been negative since women earned civil rights? Because the day suffragists got away with it anybody pushing for female rights immediately became a stuck up bitch?

May I redirect you to an old Moviebob point? "Politicially incorrect" doesn't mean "license to be an asshole". Women aren't treated the same way men are in many, many areas of life to this day, and no feminist I know, myself included, has ever claimed to want women to be treated better than men, ever. That's the kind of shit they have to take for maybe pointing out that they feel uncomfortable about sexist jokes in the workplace or that they misogynistic jokes in Duke Nukem were not funny.

I hate when people misusing a word to enforce discrimination claim that they now own it. It's happened to feminist, socialist, atheist, liberal and a bunch of others, especially in America. It's not cool, no matter how widespread it becomes.

No, really, the connotation of feminist has been negative since women earned civil rights? Because the day suffragists got away with it anybody pushing for female rights immediately became a stuck up bitch?
The day women got equal with men, any woman who continued pushing exclusively for women's rights became a stuck up bitch

and no feminist I know, myself included, has ever claimed to want women to be treated better than men, ever
Well no shit they're not going to straight come out and say it. And I'd put you, an "equalist" or something, in a different category anyway.

James Hobbley:

Shjade:
I still don't understand how or why a My Little Ponies series became this internet phenomenon seemingly overnight. Or over any length of time.

Since I won't watch the show, I probably never will, either. It just seems bizarre to me.

I think you've hit the nail straight on the head there. You really won't get the show unless you've watched it. Even if you don't be come a 'brony' you will understand the whole concept it's based upon.

Four example I read all four twilight books pretty much back to back. I thought the first three were average and the four one sucked. I managed to watch part of the first film and gave up because I thought it was that bad.

So......... i suggest you just try and watch a few minutes of MLP just to see what it's about. One 22 minute episode is more than enough to get the gist of the show. At least that way you'll know what everyone's talking about.

And remember people won't hate you for not liking the show after watching and episode.
(despite how militant the fan base comes across)

Here's a suggestion if you don't want to watch MLP: It's exactly the same as Powerpuff Girls, but with movie and internet culture references.

Oh, and the most overrated stuff ever made too.

Zachary Amaranth:

Draconalis:
The evidence given? What evidence, the assumption you made that I used google? Or the that I used wiki? Great evidence.

The ease with which one could find this information, which is REALLY well documented due to the nerdrage around it.

Neither of the above were assumptions entered. They are, however, evidence of how easily the information could be found.

But honestly, are you really defending the fact that your research skills are legitimately so poor you could not find and affirmatively stated the opposite of information demonstrably found within fifteen seconds?

You can't be serious. That breaks suspension of disbelief.

This is the bottom line

I looked something up. You don't believe it

You are wrong and assume that ease of looking it up is evidence,

You are wrong.

Also, that nerdrage actually made it MORE difficult to look up in my experience, since I, myself, am not a Star Wars fan, and thus have no connection to its fan base.

Since I had long conceded the point, admitting that I was wrong. We are now solely in the territory of your own fault. When you make baseless assumptions, there is a high probability that you will be wrong wrong.

You have NO valid evidence for a statement such as "I doubt you looked it up"

Very awesome Bob, but uh...it was kinda hard to tell where one point/train stopped and another started for some of your topics. It took me...awhile to figure out what Batman had to do with My Little Pony before I realized they were separate points. (Maybe I'm just that slow. Or the combination of those two would be.....awesomely terrible XD)

sergnb:

James Hobbley:

Shjade:
I still don't understand how or why a My Little Ponies series became this internet phenomenon seemingly overnight. Or over any length of time.

Since I won't watch the show, I probably never will, either. It just seems bizarre to me.

I think you've hit the nail straight on the head there. You really won't get the show unless you've watched it. Even if you don't be come a 'brony' you will understand the whole concept it's based upon.

Four example I read all four twilight books pretty much back to back. I thought the first three were average and the four one sucked. I managed to watch part of the first film and gave up because I thought it was that bad.

So......... i suggest you just try and watch a few minutes of MLP just to see what it's about. One 22 minute episode is more than enough to get the gist of the show. At least that way you'll know what everyone's talking about.

And remember people won't hate you for not liking the show after watching and episode.
(despite how militant the fan base comes across)

Here's a suggestion if you don't want to watch MLP: It's exactly the same as Powerpuff Girls, but with movie and internet culture references.

Oh, and the most overrated stuff ever made too.

Comparing the Powerpuff Girls to My little pony hummmmmmmmmm......

I've got to admit that is a bit of a lazy statement; and that does assume that you watched the power puff girls as well.

However it has to be said the fan bases do crossover.
Still there are many many differences and it's like saying apples and oranges are the same because they're both fruit.

But I get your point. If you like one then you'll like the other.

Just remember it's important to try new things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZq-k55kQEo

Fusioncode9:
He couldn't even pronounce Vita right...

TWEWER:
Vee-tah.

True. MovieBob has it wrong, but it could be intentional, as an ironic attack to people always pronouncing any word in any language with English sounds. Who knows.

Also, proprietary memory cards... that seems a bad decision to me.
However, if you want to run games from those, it's possible that standard SD cards might be a bit slow. They've improved a lot over time, but it still takes a while to just save a photo to the SD card of a digital camera, and when you're loading a game you might be loading a lot of megabytes. So maybe they've tried to make them faster, but they had to compromise on storage space.

Small footnote to Bob: It is the 12th year of the 21st century. It is 2011. The first year of the 21st century is the year 2000. Thus the second year is 2001 the third 2002.... the 11th is 2010 and the 12th year of the 21st century is 2011.
If you do not buy into this logic it would not be the 21st century either but the 20th by your logic except it is not this either because you said otherwise. Your statement is incoherent and thus per default wrong. Learn to count properly. It is the same reason why the duration of a decade is 10 years and thus the decade of the 2000s was over at the end of 2009 and the beginning of 2010 because the decade started at 2000 and not 2001. Why do I mention it? Because a lot of people are doing it wrong because they hear people like Bob say stuff like 2011 being the 11th year of the century and not knowing it any better or having enough brain themselves to figure it out how wrong this statement is.
I respect Moviebob even if I do not agree with him all the time and found flaws in his argumentation many times but they were always on a level of relative high cognitive skill required to reach the point to make such mistakes. This however is the mistake of a ten year old.

So on to the actual topics. Feminism is one of those words who end on "-ism" like communism or or capitalism or militarism or .... all those words describe by themself positions that are extremes which have no threshhold for tolerance of other viewpoints. But more often than not when you say "femenism movement" you mean the equal rights movement for women. Has it ever occured to you Bob that if someone else says "femenist" he uses it as an aggressive term to point out someones extreme stance on any given subject concerning women? Well maybe it has. But then you decided that femenism is a good ideological standpoint which not only has benefitted women but will continue to do so. Which in all honesty I cannot see happening. You see femenism is all about making men and women the same. Not biological of course but social and cultural. Unless you preach uniformity is the way to go or oyu have to step back a step and acknowledge feminism not being the ideal solution for the problems concerning women of modern society.

You know, when he brought up MLP, I was briefly nervous about what he was going to say about it. Then, when his point actually had nothing to do with it, I was a little disappointed. I wonder how movie bob feels about ponies.

I will say this, if a child is unaware of Homosexuality then the parents are bad parents. Also it's Bioware they do that A LOT.

SCII, and SCIII were great games, IV was meh. The games are good and All of the characters with the exception of Nightmare, Volvo, and Astaroth are all over sexualized. Twilight I bad their is not a single second or word that is at all good.

The already remade Strawberry shortcake, and my good it's horrid. if FiM adds tidbits for Older audiences.

I wish we knew where Bob stood on the Magic of Friendship.

Does this mean we can only bash on Twilight for butchering the mythology of two of the most iconic monsters in fiction?

RTR:
Does this mean we can only bash on Twilight for butchering the mythology of two of the most iconic monsters in fiction?

and the horrid writing, and just wrongness of it's message.

When a non-gamer comes to me complaining about objetification in games like Soul Calibur, I respond "Yes, I agree completely. I wish games would stop doing that. They can explore some great themes but people who only have a surface knowledge of them keep bumping into that stuff which I also hate. Hey, look! A thing!"

I do not recommend this approach as it took years of training to vocalize URLs.

MovieBob, please don't destroy the Escapist. Love, TRO.

Father Time:

MovieBob:
while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

Yes all of that is masculinity's fault despite the fact that you can find rapists, spousal abusers etc. amongst women. It makes sense in a stupid nonsensical sort of way.

Edit: Or do you just conveniently define masculinity as those bad traits?

Yeah, some women probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it.

Men still enjoy far larger amounts of privilege and power than women do. You don't think it's fair that we have to make concessions to a group that's been disenfranchised for all of history until very recently? Too fucking bad! This problem is bigger than you and just because you think women are given equal treatment to men in all of your personal experiences doesn't mean that no one is being discriminated against anywhere. We can concede a whole hell of a lot and still enjoy massive social double standards in our favor that are so ingrained into the cultural psyche that we see them as our rights.

That informant chicken from Deus Ex was a racist caricature? Why? She speaks with that stereotypical sassy voice. That's it.

I've never once complained about the appearence or presentation of the men in Twilight and I've honestly never had a problem with fanservice, to me expressing sexuality is a good thing. My problem with Twilight has always been the message, the fact that all the guys in the movie engage in fanservice for the female audience is just something I find ironic.

I'm surprised you couldn't do a whole episode on the Brony/MLP thing. Why you think it clicks with young adults, expand what you think it will mean to the industry. What you think of Bronies as a whole and maybe expand on the whole notion of "Participatory content" IE the mashups, PMVs, comics, YTPs and whatnot that has come with the whole thing.

Jachwe:
Small footnote to Bob: It is the 12th year of the 21st century. It is 2011. The first year of the 21st century is the year 2000. Thus the second year is 2001 the third 2002.... the 11th is 2010 and the 12th year of the 21st century is 2011.

Actually, there was no year 0 and no century 0, so year 1 was the first year of the first century, year 101 the first year of the second century, etc, and year 2001 the first year of the 21st century.
So Bob is right, year 2011 is the 11th year of the 21st century.

Okay, so "my black friend says" isn't an argument. How about this:
Amanda Strawn, voice of Letitia:


Sure, her entire existence and way of singing/speaking is totally racist... sure... QFT

omegawyrm:

Father Time:

MovieBob:
while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

Yes all of that is masculinity's fault despite the fact that you can find rapists, spousal abusers etc. amongst women. It makes sense in a stupid nonsensical sort of way.

Edit: Or do you just conveniently define masculinity as those bad traits?

Yeah, some women probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it.

Men still enjoy far larger amounts of privilege and power than women do. You don't think it's fair that we have to make concessions to a group that's been disenfranchised for all of history until very recently? Too fucking bad! This problem is bigger than you and just because you think women are given equal treatment to men in all of your personal experiences doesn't mean that no one is being discriminated against anywhere. We can concede a whole hell of a lot and still enjoy massive social double standards in our favor that are so ingrained into the cultural psyche that we see them as our rights.

Isn't that sort of going against the point of trying to ease tension? If what we're trying to do is create equality amongst the genders, wouldn't the better answer be to keep both genders on a true equal field, so that when the newer generation grows up they can realise that men and women are pretty much the same (bar some obvious physiological dfferences of course) and that the previous stand-points of one gender being superior to another being viewed as just plain wrong?

This method of "Well I guess there are men out there that are still privelaged, so here's some privelages that neither gender has had before" seems counter-intuitive to that, because it only in-grains seeds of resentment in men who because they had no part in the previous bad behaviour yet are being with-held certain privelages because they are being treated as being responsible for the previous behaviour, especially if these men have not experienced these privelages that people say they do (not once has my gender given me any special benefits that were not given to women, so I'm having a tough time figuring out what these privelages are exactly), and for women it only in-grains seeds of confusion, as the newer generation doesn't understand why they are given privelages for things they themselves have never personally encountered or experienced, and it brings to question if what they accomplish is actually a feat of their own strength and talent or is a result of gender specific privelages.

In other words the idea of men and women are equal can never become a part of the norm because already men and women are being treated differently because of certain privelages the gender either has or doesn't have.

And lets say then it comes to the point where baring the extra privelages given out of "balance" are finally equal to the point of where it's the same, what then? Are the extra privelages just taken away, or are they left around? We then run into the situation of either removing privelages that themselves have been in-grained into the sociatal psyche (since if your belief that several male privelages are in-grained as the norm today, this mean the same could happen with female privelages) which in turn causes an up-heaval from those claiming the action is trying to make one gender inferior to another (which would sort of put an end to the whole job of trying to inspire the notion of equality), or the privelages remain in which case again mean and women wouldn't technically be equal at that point. It would seem the best option then at that point would be to phase out the extra privelages gradually as the measure of equality rises, but this brings the issue of a) which privelages take precident to stay and which don't and b) if no one is able to agree about what raises the measure of equality then how can people start to phase out?

Dear lord, don't bring back Jem, it wasn't ever good in the first place. I can understand why they revived My Little Pony. I was never a huge fan, but I understood it's attraction. Though, I don't quite get the insane fanaticism is has now. Yes, it's drawn cute. And? Why did the "brony" thing suddenly blow up? Is there something I missed? It's a kids cartoon, why exactly ARE twenty something guys suddenly obsessed with it?

Not saying it's a bad thing, but I have this funny suspicion that it's just another 'hipster' trend that I'm really going to get annoyed with.

omegawyrm:

Father Time:

MovieBob:
while the worst excesses of the "masculist" culture that preceded it included forced-subservience, casual spousal-abuse, female non-personhood and rape as a legally-unprovable "thing that happened" as everyday accepted ways of life.

Yes all of that is masculinity's fault despite the fact that you can find rapists, spousal abusers etc. amongst women. It makes sense in a stupid nonsensical sort of way.

Edit: Or do you just conveniently define masculinity as those bad traits?

Yeah, some women probably take advantage of their gender to get unfair treatment and that's not fair, but you're going to have to get the hell over it.

Our hero, ladies and gentlemen. Hypocritically attacking unfairness against some while telling others to get over it.

omegawyrm:

Men still enjoy far larger amounts of privilege and power than women do. You don't think it's fair that we have to make concessions to a group that's been disenfranchised for all of history until very recently? Too fucking bad! This problem is bigger than you and just because you think women are given equal treatment to men in all of your personal experiences doesn't mean that no one is being discriminated against anywhere. We can concede a whole hell of a lot and still enjoy massive social double standards in our favor that are so ingrained into the cultural psyche that we see them as our rights.

I think you've quoted the wrong person.

RTR:
Does this mean we can only bash on Twilight for butchering the mythology of two of the most iconic monsters in fiction?

You can bash it for whatever you want. Just that if you're going to bash it for being preteen fan service, you shouldn't bash Soul Calibur for also having fan service.

Draconalis:

You have NO valid evidence for a statement such as "I doubt you looked it up"

Yes I do. I don't have any evidence to state you factually did not look it up. There's plenty, however, to support a theory of doubt. Sorry you're so confused. :)

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