The Other Mrs. Doctor Who

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Susan Arendt:
Susan Arendt knows that the Doctor's heart will always really belong to the TARDIS.

But that still leaves us with a second heart! I'd say there's room enough for another love interest. My only question is whether River can handle being 'second wife' next to the TARDIS.

The_root_of_all_evil:

In my defence:

No sexual tension there?

(It's a subjective thing, so I won't go off on one if you say no :) )

Equally,

or,

Tegan's is especially poignant, given Amy's departure as well. "No more bloodshed"

I don't see sexual tension at all, no. In the case of Pertwee, I see embarrassment at suddenly being the third wheel. For the other two, I see affection, fondness, respect, but not lust or sex.

Well, now that they've removed every last bit of mystery about her character, forcibly extracted every last bit of independence she ever had from the Doctor, and turned her into a one-dimensional groupie, I'm hoping River Song is finally taken out of the limelight.

And, given that another two hundred years of adventures just took place offscreen in between "The God Complex" and "Closing Time," that might actually be the case. Can we get some new characters now please?

Honestly River was interesting in the "Library" episode in her first appearance. But then they sort of thrust her upon on us, and while the banter is neat, she does little in terms of plot competence, and the marriage is fairly premature given that all they had was playful banter, but whatever she's human now, it wont last.

And now she really has no choice left but to stagnate, we know how she got where she is and how she ends. So now no matter what happens she can't really develop any more.

I could see her appearing occasionally in episodes, but she can no longer have any relevance without sucking the life out of the plot.

KazNecro:

Susan Arendt:
Susan Arendt knows that the Doctor's heart will always really belong to the TARDIS.

But that still leaves us with a second heart! I'd say there's room enough for another love interest. My only question is whether River can handle being 'second wife' next to the TARDIS.

I'm pretty sure Susan meant "heart" as the usual metaphor, not the literal organ; or in the Doctor's case, organs.

M-JN:

newwiseman:

I also would have liked it to be explained in The End of Time that the Time Lord/Lady who keeps appearing to Wilfred Mott, Donna's Grandfather, is Susan the doctors Grand Daughter and first companion. But noticing stuff like that is what being a nerd is for.

waitwaitwut

Is that just a theory of yours or has there been some indication that that's who she was? I was under the impression that that character had been purposefully left unexplained.

Some people like to think that it was the Doctor's Mother, Susan, or Romana.

The Doctor's Mother has zero basis.

Romana is a popular choice because she became President of Gallifrey after returning from E-Space, so it would make sense that she is on the council. Rassilon lead the Time Lords during the war.

I prefer to think it was Susan due the psychic powers she demonstrated in The Sensorites(she kept appearing to Wilfred).

As for who she really was the writers couldn't make a choice so they left it up to the audience; indecisive bastards.

I speak here purely as a devotee of Classic Who who hasn't yet successfully been hooked by the new show. (In fact it's the only thing my wife and I truly argue about - we're a mixed-Whovian marriage.)

I never saw sexual tension in the classic series; in fact one of the things I liked most about it was what I saw as character development without going in that direction (which, if not done well, I think can come across as a rather cheap and slapdash method of characterisation). Was there something between Doctor-IV and Romana-II? Maybe. It's the closest the old series ever came, I think, though to me it always seemed more playful than anything. Perhaps alluding to the stuffy, stagnant nature of Time Lord society having resulted in a race that were somewhat childish socially. Certainly Doctor-IV, even more than most others (except VI of course), was prone to petulant tantrums.

I find it interesting that many of the companions mentioned in this thread, including those mentioned as people's favourites (even in 'shipping), are the ones I hated most. Special venom reserved for Tegan and Peri, both of whom I never found anything but grating, whiny, and all-round obnoxious (and a very special raspberry for Nicola Bryant's perpetual American-accent fails. Oh, how much better would Caves of Androzani had been if he could have had, say, Nyssa there instead?)

Frankly, I consider Romana-II to be the last decent companion followed by a string of lacklustre, annoying characters (the sadly-underused Nyssa being the lone exception) that wasn't really changed until Ace came along. Worth noting: Peter Davison has been quoted before as saying that he liked Nyssa as a companion more and would have preferred to keep her in the TARDIS rather than Tegan, but was overruled for contractual reasons.

Sabrestar:

Oooh, thank you for sharing that, I never knew. Certainly explains a fair bit, especially why Nyssa just sort of shows up in Logopolis.

I hated Peri, didn't much enjoy Ace (though that probably had more to do with her Doctor than her), and would happily through Mel screaming from a helicopter, but I was ok with Adric, Tegan, Nyssa, Adric and Turlough. Didn't love 'em, didn't hate 'em.

I did really hope we'd seen the last of River Song. I find her just a little too much of a Mary Sue to me, she just seems to be magically perfect at everything. I honestly thought the episodes this season that didn't have her in were much better.

Susan Arendt knows that the Doctor's heart will always really belong to the TARDIS.

There should be a plural in there somewhere ;)

The_root_of_all_evil:

Ok thats cool! where'd you find it?

I'm surprised you didn't mention the "That was a whole other birthday" comment when multiple doctors came up in conversation.

I think after 900 years, just one of yourself gets a bit stale.

The_root_of_all_evil:

Um, in this picture, it says that the 11th said he could regenerate up to 500 times. When was this said?

Butterjaw:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Um, in this picture, it says that the 11th said he could regenerate up to 500 times. When was this said?

Point of contention: It's uttered as a line in The Sarah Jane Adventures and it directly contradicts canon, BUT has been deemed as important by the writers.

It's like the Eye of Rassilon being both the Heart of the Tardis and a Black Hole - The Doctor Always Lies.

xchurchx:

The_root_of_all_evil:

Ok thats cool! where'd you find it?

I think there's a watermark there (on my laptop atm) but if you do a search for graphjam, you'll find it.

Peri was a case of doing a bad accent, horrible accent, since she was supposed to be American. "Hey look, the Yanks like this stuff too."
Mel is forgetable. Honestly, other than her hair I don't really remember much about her.
Adric stop touching things!

While the writers may not have intended there to be sexual tension, being high strung Brits and all, there was some on set. At least with Tom Baker. Seriously listen to the commentary tracks on the DVDs.
Can't find a youtube clip with him doing it. But its funny and awkward to listen to him go on about Leela's legs and how "scrumptious" the female co-stars were. Also, Lalla Ward and Tom Baker never record commentarys together. Always seperate recordings.

With the way they ended this season, and The Wedding of River Song was a good episode, I'm hoping they step back a good bit from the "Universe in Danger" story arcs and go do some fun adventures. The Doctor is stepping back into the shadows, or so he claims at the end. I really want them to do something along the lines of the Bad Wolf arc. Put in something easter egg like in each episode and then have it all tie together with some event at the end. Just stop for a bit with the universe ending all the time.
Oh and Doctor's Daughter needs to comeback. You here me Moffit!

Roganzar:
Peri was a case of doing a bad accent, horrible accent, since she was supposed to be American. "Hey look, the Yanks like this stuff too."
Mel is forgetable. Honestly, other than her hair I don't really remember much about her.
Adric stop touching things!

While the writers may not have intended there to be sexual tension, being high strung Brits and all, there was some on set. At least with Tom Baker. Seriously listen to the commentary tracks on the DVDs.
Can't find a youtube clip with him doing it. But its funny and awkward to listen to him go on about Leela's legs and how "scrumptious" the female co-stars were. Also, Lalla Ward and Tom Baker never record commentarys together. Always seperate recordings.

With the way they ended this season, and The Wedding of River Song was a good episode, I'm hoping they step back a good bit from the "Universe in Danger" story arcs and go do some fun adventures. The Doctor is stepping back into the shadows, or so he claims at the end. I really want them to do something along the lines of the Bad Wolf arc. Put in something easter egg like in each episode and then have it all tie together with some event at the end. Just stop for a bit with the universe ending all the time.
Oh and Doctor's Daughter needs to comeback. You here me Moffit!

Not just the universe ending, but the "oh, that was a whole other timeline!" universe ending. It's getting just a bit dull. There's always some bright points that make it interesting, but honestly, can we do something else?

This does raise an interesting question, though. Would you folks feel short-changed if the next season was all one-off episodes instead of having a continuing story arc?

Woodsey:

And River is really quite annoying.

This. And that pond woman too - somebody should tell the person that plays her that simpering is not acting.

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