Jimquisition: Dynasty Warriors Is The Citizen Kane Of Gaming

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The DW series is far too repetitive and shallow for my tastes. But I do love Serious Sam for a lot of the same reasons you love DW.

The problem with Dynasty Warriors isn't actually that they're bad games (even though I personally don't enjoy them.

It that all the Dynasty Warriors games are the same fucking game, only it's been released 40 billion times with a new number on the end, and every time a new one come out Jim gives it a glowing review without even mentioning the fact that it's the same FUCKING game as all the others, It's inexcusably lazy.

Also I think it's in very poor taste that the Escapist employs someone like Jim, who uses deliberately inflammatory language and engages in blatant nerd-baiting, when several articles on the site have denounced nerd-baiting as a cheap and mean-spirited way to get hits.

What kind of twat would cancel the Jimquisition? I've been a fan since episode one, you know, back when everyone hated his guts.

I admit that I never expected a topic like this to pop up on the Jimquisition, never the less it being about one of my favorite series(though to be honest I was always more into the empire versions since taking over china and japan is -AWESOME-) made this episode one of the best one's so far in my opinion. :P

MarsProbe:

AnotherAvatar:
To me this just shows a total lack of knowledge about Citizen Kane.

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Dynasty Warriors is like Power Rangers: It was really cool to 12-year-olds when it came out but didn't really do anything special aside from providing an assault of violence and bright flashing lights but for some reason it has a massive adult following mostly built on nostalgia and it just won't fucking end.

I think it's time to introduce you to a post from the first page of this topic:

Raika:
I think it's time for you to learn a new word.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/joke

You're welcome.

As always, thank God for Jim Sterling. He is the highlight of my otherwise miserable Mondays.

Sometimes, another poster just happens to come along and do your work for you. Happy times :).

Though to me, Dynasty Warriors owes more to Dr Strangelove than Citizen Kane. Not to discredit Jim's views on the matter, but I just see the influences of that film as being more apparent.

... There wasn't anything funny about his statement. Did you laugh when you read "Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of gaming"? If you did you have an odd sense of humor and I'd wager you'd be the only one. I'm very clear on the definition of a joke, I made a joke at the end relating Dynasty Warriors to Power Rangers (which you even sited, though you managed to cut off the part that... you know, had it make sense), jokes are about timing and amusement, and the best ones are about making an amusing and ACCURATE statement (unless you attend the Family Guy school of comedy, in which case you can fuck right off).

"Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of Gaming" is a statement, a rather inaccurate one I'd expect from a slack-jawed hick who's complete grasp on Citizen Kane was afforded to him by the Simpsons episode.

All I ask is that people think before they speak, especially if they're replying to my post, and if you're under the age of 18, then just don't bother.

I like how he claims that DW is the Citizen Kane of gaming, while not actually showing in any way how DW is like Citizen Kane...
If I remember correctly, Citizen Kane is considered a benchmark in film, a leap in cinematography that finally presented the film industry as a viable art form, yes?
Strange, then, how Jim says that its comparable to that because it does the opposite thing - by keeping to the old school and not moving with the times.
I'm not saying that thats a bad thing, and I recognise that DW aren't necessarily bad (if repetitive as a series), buuut it does seem odd to compare it to Citizen Kane...

As for the presentation of the show itself however, this is the best yet! I think before he was a bit too... subdued, in his 'overlord' character, which made him sound egotistical rather than funny. Now that he's gone full-blown insane with power-like character, its a lot more entertaining to watch XD

Oh Jim, when I watched the first two episodes you ever produced on this site I went "meh". Now many months later, you are my favourite show on the Escapist, above Zero Puntaction and certainly the now absent Extra Credits, and so I'm delighted to see you'll be staying with us. This episode was one of your best so far and made me laugh a hell of a lot.

Truly, thank God for you.

Woot! Thanks Jim for reminding me of my love for Dynasty Warriors.

Well think about this, Jim calls Dynasty Warriors the "Citizen Kane of Gaming", but he never told us what he thought of Citizen Kane.

I've never played a Dynasty Warriors game, but if you're comparing them to games like Final Fight and Streets of Rage (I like Final Fight, I LOVE Streets of Rage), then I may pick one up.

AnotherAvatar:

... There wasn't anything funny about his statement. Did you laugh when you read "Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of gaming"? If you did you have an odd sense of humor and I'd wager you'd be the only one. I'm very clear on the definition of a joke, I made a joke at the end relating Dynasty Warriors to Power Rangers (which you even sited, though you managed to cut off the part that... you know, had it make sense), jokes are about timing and amusement, and the best ones are about making an amusing and ACCURATE statement (unless you attend the Family Guy school of comedy, in which case you can fuck right off).

"Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of Gaming" is a statement, a rather inaccurate one I'd expect from a slack-jawed hick who's complete grasp on Citizen Kane was afforded to him by the Simpsons episode.

All I ask is that people think before they speak, especially if they're replying to my post, and if you're under the age of 18, then just don't bother.

Marsprobe wasn't the only one, I found the title funny too. Since I can see you've joined us recently, is this the first Jimquisition you've ever seen? It isn't meant to be taken 100% seriously by the way and silly "troll" titles such as this are common on this show. You're free not to find it amusing if you wish but that doesn't mean that it's not a joke.

I never really watched the Jimquisition before now. Mind, I was intrigued by the title. I may have to watch him a lot more now.

JoJoDeathunter:

AnotherAvatar:

... There wasn't anything funny about his statement. Did you laugh when you read "Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of gaming"? If you did you have an odd sense of humor and I'd wager you'd be the only one. I'm very clear on the definition of a joke, I made a joke at the end relating Dynasty Warriors to Power Rangers (which you even sited, though you managed to cut off the part that... you know, had it make sense), jokes are about timing and amusement, and the best ones are about making an amusing and ACCURATE statement (unless you attend the Family Guy school of comedy, in which case you can fuck right off).

"Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of Gaming" is a statement, a rather inaccurate one I'd expect from a slack-jawed hick who's complete grasp on Citizen Kane was afforded to him by the Simpsons episode.

All I ask is that people think before they speak, especially if they're replying to my post, and if you're under the age of 18, then just don't bother.

Marsprobe wasn't the only one, I found the title funny too. Since I can see you've joined us recently, is this the first Jimquisition you've ever seen? It isn't meant to be taken 100% seriously by the way and silly "troll" titles such as this are common on this show. You're free not to find it amusing if you wish but that doesn't mean that it's not a joke.

Fair enough. If that's his style of comedy then I'd have to be Nazi to claim it's wrong. If that's how you guys like to party far be it for me to rain it out, though you'll excuse me if I bail.

What? LAST WEEK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAST ONE? Oh, thank GOD that last week wasn't it. And thank GOD... for Jim.

When I saw the title, I was reminded of Podtoid, and I burst out laughing!

Damn, I never thought of DW that way. Thank god for you Jim!

The thing about Dynasty Warriors is that i like it a bit, but it's more like a guilty pleasure i play every now and then as a bit of fun. What i will say is that i sort of wish they would use the potential of the gameplay and expand on it a bit more.

I mean, hell, i seriously wouldn't mind seeing this style of gameplay but set it in another time period: I mean, how awesome would it be to be say....Julius Caesar or Richard the Lionheart swinging an oversize two handed sword through waves upon waves of enemies? Admit it, you would play that!

Jim Sterling:
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IMHO: if it's mindless fun you're looking for - "Devil Kings" on PS2. Look no further. It's even dumber and campier than the DW saga. Combat is very slick and brutal. The characters are even more over the top than in DW and they actually have decent voice actors assigned to them. Looting is way better with so many cool items to loot. It also rewards you for playing on the hardest difficulty settings with higher drop rates. Even though the only character I could pull it off with was Frost, which is alright since he's my personal favorite anyways. Also "Devil Kings" is a stylish spectacle both in fighting (very closely resembling DMC) and aesthetics. I didn't care much for how DW looks in terms of its art.

The only thing that DW does better is its soundtrack, "Devil Kings" has a very forgettable one indeed. DW had great electro-metal tunes.

So no, I do not agree with you. "Devil Kings" is way better than DW alongside all the points you made about DW. Too bad I don't speak Japanese, I'd definitiely pick up the sequel to "Devil Kings" otherwise.

Infernai:
...I mean, hell, i seriously wouldn't mind seeing this style of gameplay but set it in another time period: I mean, how awesome would it be to be say...

I believe there was a mecha-style spin-off. Not really a change in period, more in setting, but still.

P.S.: yeah, I thought I'd make myself clear on this - DW series wasn't really my thing. Since I played "Devil Kings" first, DW just felt very stale to me when I tried it later. I don't even remember which part it was, only that it was on PS2.

P.P.S.: hmm, I guess that makes me declare "Devil Kings" the "Citizen Kane of Gaming" then.

hell Yeah DW games kick ass I love them and been a fan since DW2 back the ps2 days. This makes me wanna buy some DW and SW games and have some fun.

Nice one Jim, Dynasty Warriors is indeed the Citizen Kane of gaming. Long live the Jimquisition

I fucking Love the Jimquisition! Also, having been away from certain gaming magazines for a while now, I didn't realize the Warriors series has been more or less snubbed when Toei is doing the same thing EA Sports does.

The last Dynasty Warriors I got though was the 4th for the Xbox. Other than that I've indulged in the spin-off titles like DW Gundam on the 360 and, Fist of the North Star, also on the 360. They're just as cathartic only instead of killing people/characters from Romance of the Three Kingdoms (a book I'm embarrassed to say I haven't finished reading) I'm killing off far more familiar characters like Char, Shin, Master Asia and, Raoh. My next DW purchase will likely be Samurai Warriors 3D on the 3DS. Still unsure why I haven't grabbed that one yet.

Long Live the Jimquisition!

Eh, I can understand the appeal of a cathartic beat-em-up, but if I was going to declare a 'Citizen Kane of gaming' I'd go for something with a bit of narrative weight behind it.

Also, I thought "games aren't movies, get over it", and that using terms like "Citizen Kane of gaming" were selling the medium short, remember?

AnotherAvatar:

... There wasn't anything funny about his statement. Did you laugh when you read "Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of gaming"? If you did you have an odd sense of humor and I'd wager you'd be the only one. I'm very clear on the definition of a joke, I made a joke at the end relating Dynasty Warriors to Power Rangers (which you even sited, though you managed to cut off the part that... you know, had it make sense), jokes are about timing and amusement, and the best ones are about making an amusing and ACCURATE statement (unless you attend the Family Guy school of comedy, in which case you can fuck right off).

"Dynasty Warriors is the Citizen Kane of Gaming" is a statement, a rather inaccurate one I'd expect from a slack-jawed hick who's complete grasp on Citizen Kane was afforded to him by the Simpsons episode.

All I ask is that people think before they speak, especially if they're replying to my post, and if you're under the age of 18, then just don't bother.

Well, no I didn't laugh when I read it. I did however laugh when Jim said it. If that means I have an odd sense of humour (or at least one that does not sync up with yours) then so be it. I'd be inclined to think however that I am not the only one that has an "odd" sense humour. But anyway, what is the most troubling thing about your post here I wonder? Basic intolerance, pointless swearing or what appears to be a particuarly virulent strain of agism?

Great episode as always. But once again Jim appears to be battling a straw man entirely made up in his imagination. I don't think there is any uproar about how DW series aren't good games. They get mediocre reviews because they are formulaic and repetitive but you have to realize most non-yahtzee reviewers don't play though the game, just watch the intro and the first 10 minutes. Then they have to include the press release information their publisher requires them to include.

The scene where Zhange He gives his speech and then flies off-screen like superman or Neo in the matrix is one of my favorite Cinematics in gaming. As for Daynasty Warriors, I'm more of a romance of the three kingdoms fan. I would be on board if they combined camp and Cinematic from Dynasty warriors with the Strategy and civ 5 style combat from rotk11. If that happened, that would probably be my game of the year.

The last 30 seconds of this video were pure gold. The episodes apear to be getting better and better.

Whee! Glad you'll be back next week, Jim. Nice to see you having so much fun.

Do you write the little description blurbs for your videos? Because this one made me laugh in a smug sort of highbrow way.

People who complain that Dynasty Warriors is shallow are the reason why these days we get games that are overproduced, yet terribly linear with practically no replay value. The Dynasty Warriors series have way more gameplay than any of the overrated Call of Duty games with their railroading level designs that have you do nothing but button-mash through a 5 hour Michael Bay movie wannabe. The market is flooded with these mindless FPS games, yet people scorn Dynasty Warriors for committing the only sin of being actually fun and funny at the same time. When have gamers become such a bunch of mirthless douchebags?

EverythingIncredible:

Zachary Amaranth:

EverythingIncredible:
My beef with Dynasty Warriors is just that it is repetitive.

It's no more repetitive than most sports and shooter titles, though. and that was part of Jim's point, really. not to mention, the button-mashing elements of a LOT of action games these days. Prototype or God of War could have the same attribution with the same amount of honesty to the claims.

I wouldn't call it the Citizen Kane, but certainly it's the equivalent of your standard Kung Fu flick. I unabashedly enjoy myself a good beat-em-up in the same way I enjoy a solid martial arts flick, even if the movie is otherwise...Lacking. Do people get kicked and punched a lot? Yes? Good.

Personally I haven't played a sports or a shooter title in a long time. So I can't speak on that.

Actually DW is a lot more repetitive that shooters, sports games. It's literally the same era of history visited over and over. The same character. The same exact gameplay. The same maps, the same story every time.

There's a difference between games with good button mashing elements, and literally hitting the attack button until you have filled your special bar for the uber attack.

Sports games and shooters have changed in the last 10 years, DW has not.

bringer of illumination:

Also I think it's in very poor taste that the Escapist employs someone like Jim, who uses deliberately inflammatory language and engages in blatant nerd-baiting, when several articles on the site have denounced nerd-baiting as a cheap and mean-spirited way to get hits.

You fail at irony! Turn in your Smug Postmodernist Association badge immediately and return to the ranks of the proletariat, you vile pleb!

FWAA!

CrawlingPastaHellion:
IMHO: if it's mindless fun you're looking for - "Devil Kings" on PS2. Look no further. It's even dumber and campier than the DW saga. Combat is very slick and brutal. The characters are even more over the top than in DW and they actually have decent voice actors assigned to them. Looting is way better with so many cool items to loot. It also rewards you for playing on the hardest difficulty settings with higher drop rates. Even though the only character I could pull it off with was Frost, which is alright since he's my personal favorite anyways. Also "Devil Kings" is a stylish spectacle both in fighting (very closely resembling DMC) and aesthetics. I didn't care much for how DW looks in terms of its art.

The only thing that DW does better is its soundtrack, "Devil Kings" has a very forgettable one indeed. DW had great electro-metal tunes.

So no, I do not agree with you. "Devil Kings" is way better than DW alongside all the points you made about DW. Too bad I don't speak Japanese, I'd definitiely pick up the sequel to "Devil Kings" otherwise.

First off, it should be noted that Devil Kings is a derivative game. It came about as an attempt to jump the popularity of the Dynasty Warriors franchise. So yeah.

As for the games themselves, I played Sengoku Basara 3 (a sequel to Devil Kings). I personally found it to be extremely repetitive. It had two modes: campaign, in which you spam your way through a dozen or so maps of generic enemies with a boss at the end, or individual maps, in which you spam through one of the campaign maps. There was no diversity and while the characters were pretty unique, I hesitate to call them well-balanced against each other. The game is really only good for mindless therapeutic button mashing. Which is precisely what I'd play it for. Also to unlock Nobunaga Oda, because I wanted to wield a sword and a shotgun at the same time.

>_> <_< What?

Mindless fun? Absolutely. "Game of the year" quality? Not by a mile. Dynasty Warriors is generally praised more than Devil Kings and it's with good reason....because DW does it better.

Coming out of the closet to say Dynasty Warriors 4: Empires is one of the games that got me through university.

12th_milkshake:
i totally agree, it is the citizen Kane of gaming, Being largely shit and really dull, with stupid overtone of being more than it is.

RooooosseeeBUDD!

I'm pretty sure nobody in the history of the DW series took it or treated it as more than it was. They have played with it lovingly forever.

AzrealMaximillion:
Actually DW is a lot more repetitive that shooters, sports games. It's literally the same era of history visited over and over. The same character. The same exact gameplay. The same maps, the same story every time.

I think these are the lies Jim was referencing, so if you were trying to ironically point them out, then thank you.

Except the "same era of history" bit, which is adorable when saying it's more repetitive than shooters, who have a fetish for a couple specific and narrow time periods....

I gave this series a shot every once in a while but I'm really starting to dislike this guy.
I understand his trolling delivery and satire of internet personalities (God I hope he's being satirical) But he seems to lack likability and even a Lovable jerk quality like Yahtzee has.
I hate to be so negative but I honestly preferred Lisa Foils over this guy.
I kinda miss her.

I like DW but wouldn't go as far as that.
But to all those who point at the 'it's the same thing' point, doesn't the same thing also apply to beat'em ups in general?
Sure, you add few extra modes and the odd super-powerful move here and there, but in the end you're still trying to beat some dude with button mashing. Soul Caliber, Tekken and Street Fighter all have the same problem DW apparantly has in that case.

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