Zero Punctuation: Rage

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Yeah, this was a game that woulda been wonderful... if it was not a clone of Fallout 3/Borderlands. I honestly thought for the first few minutes that I WAS playing Borderlands, until my buddy showed me the title screen. The game plays ok, mostly, but the bugs in the driving and the shite ending made me glad that I wasn't the one to purchase it. Seriously, this is what people spend $50 bucks on now?

KDR_11k:
People who whine about the PC version probably have Ati graphics cards.

I have GTX 470 SLI and it still runs like crap. It's ignoring my SLI and the framerate constantly roller coasters up and down. The FPS drops down to EXACTLY 30 from 60 every time I stand beside an NPC.

Basically what he said...

Frostbite3789:
id used drivers during testing that by their own admission had seen heavy internal modification. To release a game, without testing it on drivers that actually exist in the real world, that's horrid QA. That's releasing a broken game, shrugging your shoulders and going, "Eh, not my problem. They should have different drivers."

"I don't see how a 3 CD game could last weeks, but a 3 DVD game, can be blown off in a weekend" - paraphrase
Here fucking here.
I am tired of developers giving up content for the sake of making their games look prettier than "the competition", or adding 25 different ways for an enemy to die, instead of adding 5 different quests.

All i have to say is, Console gaming. Happily cutting down on gameplay and length since start of 2000.

And even your Half-life 2 you praise so much is a short Blended racer shooter game. i think the steam stats the completeion time was around 4-5 hours compared to the Master race halflife 1 12 hours non speedrun.

Its all gone to shit ever since.

Well, while I wasn't looking forward to Rage (it really did look like it was Borderlands in different packaging), I was looking forward to this review! And I left not disappointed. Jeez... not many games are of any real length anymore these days... Well, at least DXHR took a bit of time, as well as Crysis 2 (although quite easy).

While I know it's supposed to be a theme this season for Yahtzee to be SHOOTER Season 2011... I'd still like to see what insults he can throw Forza 4's way since I know he doesn't like racing games too too much (not like he can reverse my day 2 purchase of said game, but it'd still be pretty fun to see what he comes up with).

therockdemon:
i have rage for the xbox 360 and i never even used the 3 disc the story just ended after you get to the top of the authority tower during the 2 disc

Erm isn't the 3rd disc for the multiplayer?

I get the impression that it has good visuals, good game play mechanics, and good animations.

But as it's an FPS it hasn't got much else going for it.

Am I right?

JayDeth:
This covered my thoughts exactly. It's pretty bland. And it was so hyped for... no reason. Why did this game have so much hype, why?

The marketing department did their job pretty well.

Quite nice and interesting, if I say so myself.

VulakAerr:

Jennacide:
Really Yahtzee, you're going to compare the lenght of a SHOOTER to an RPG? That's amazingly stupid, even for you. There are hints of RPG, but Rage is without a doubt an FPS, as you even point out as being part of Shooter Season 2011. So compare it to an older shooter. How long was Quake or Halo? Oh, that's right, sub 10 hours. How long is Rage? 12+ hours. Yeah, games sure are getting short these daaaay.....wait, THAT'S LONGER.

VulakAerr:

You are correct, sir. It is using a heavily modified Oblivion engine.

Creation is not Gamebryo 2.0, it is a completely new engine. Which having actually seen the game in person now, is very apparent. Creation will likely be used for FO4 as well, though I sorta hope they use idTech 5 after they work the kinks out of it.

I'm afraid it's still based on the Gamebryo 2.0 engine. Just with many rewrites. According to Bethesda interviews, more rewrites the further they got into writing the game, but still was borne of Gamebryo 2.0

No. Creation's an engine they BASED on Gamebryo, but built it from the ground up because the company that licensed Gamebryo went out of business and they couldn't get their hands on it to actually rewrite.

Besides, Creation looks, like, 100x as awesome as Gamebryo was(and Gamebryo wasn't bad to begin with) and will be awesome.

Madara XIII:

SickBritKid:
Did you just say that FFVII is a "bad example" of a long gaming experience, Yahtzee!?

C'mon, man, I knew that you were an elitist sod with a chip on his shoulder about damn near EVERYTHING, but only an idiot would say that Final Fantasy VII was any sort of bad.

Even the FF6 elitist fucks I've tangled with have admitted that FF7 was a groundbreaking masterpiece, they just said that it's incredibly overrated whereas FF6, the the Final Fantasy series in general, was only moderately popular in the States prior to 7's advent.

Say what you will about FF7 being a "bad example", Yahtzee. It's still damn near my favorite game of all time, only coming CLOSE to being ousted by MODERN games like Mass Effect 2 or other such great games.

Personally, I think you just hate 7 because 7 was the game that solidified the FF series' place as a cornerstone of RPGs, which would eventually give us the travesty that is FF13...

Yo dude calm down man! We don't need to get up in arms about Yahtzee no liking a game. I love FF6, FF4 and FF7, but it is possible that people just don't tend to like it. Not because it was groundbreaking, but because not everyone is invested into RPGs.

No need to try and RAGE against Yahtzee (Hehehe it's a Pun). He has his preferences and we have ours. Love and Tolerance bro

Sorry if I come off as angry. Yahtzee's blatant elitism just pisses me off, sometimes.

Macrobstar:

SickBritKid:
Did you just say that FFVII is a "bad example" of a long gaming experience, Yahtzee!?

C'mon, man, I knew that you were an elitist sod with a chip on his shoulder about damn near EVERYTHING, but only an idiot would say that Final Fantasy VII was any sort of bad.

Even the FF6 elitist fucks I've tangled with have admitted that FF7 was a groundbreaking masterpiece, they just said that it's incredibly overrated whereas FF6, the the Final Fantasy series in general, was only moderately popular in the States prior to 7's advent.

Say what you will about FF7 being a "bad example", Yahtzee. It's still damn near my favorite game of all time, only coming CLOSE to being ousted by MODERN games like Mass Effect 2 or other such great games.

Personally, I think you just hate 7 because 7 was the game that solidified the FF series' place as a cornerstone of RPGs, which would eventually give us the travesty that is FF13...

He mentioned it as a good example, IE PS1 games on 3 disks last forever but a next gen one lasts a weekend

And he pointed an arrow at it labeled "Bad Example".

Tried it (the PC version) at a friends house, and I am glad I did not buy it unseen when it came out. We spoke about it the other day and he could not even be bothered to finish it. Had Rage come from any other than iD it would have been lit on fire and launched from a trebuchet into a brick wall.

Zanaxal:
All i have to say is, Console gaming. Happily cutting down on gameplay and length since start of 2000.

And even your Half-life 2 you praise so much is a short Blended racer shooter game. i think the steam stats the completeion time was around 4-5 hours compared to the Master race halflife 1 12 hours non speedrun.

Its all gone to shit ever since.

I thourght RAGE was a decent length? (from the reveiws) theres ntohing I cant stand more than feeling riped off on game time

I was interested in this....leave it to the internet tto burst my bubble :(

Good review Yahtzee. I too loved the graphics that Rage was equipped with, however... you mentioned that Borderlines had technical issues right? I've seen Rage crash harder then any game in history of gaming thus wasn't even playable on release.

But besides that, your humor is the best which you're the only reason I look forward to Wednesdays. Well done.

Got a minor correction here: on the video page you have it tagged as available for Mac OS X. Sadly for Mac men and women such as myself, id did announce an OS X version in the beginning but cut it a few months later. It is either coming later or not at all.

I bought the game for Windows, but my iMac is 4 years too old. Can't even get to the opening splash screen. Still gonna play it. Yahtzee didn't really like Borderlands yet I enjoyed it (it looked terrible, as one would expect on a 4 year old iMac, but that is not the point).

CardinalPiggles:
I get the impression that it has good visuals, good game play mechanics, and good animations.

But as it's an FPS it hasn't got much else going for it.

Am I right?

JayDeth:
This covered my thoughts exactly. It's pretty bland. And it was so hyped for... no reason. Why did this game have so much hype, why?

The marketing department did their job pretty well.

Pretty much, this game is very weird, the engine itself is fantastic, just the game itself is rather bland. It feels good to aim at things yet it isn't very fun to shoot them. It is like having a really nice car but being stuck on roads that doesn't allow you to play with it. The fact I have a make a metaphor just to explain it bugs me but like I said, weird game.

Frostbite3789:

JambalayaBob:

Frostbite3789:
You mentioned Borderlands awful PC problems, but Rage's were worse to the tune of, it wasn't even really playable upon release. Because id had been using mystical non-existent drivers during testing.

The best of ideas, obviously.

Yeah, it's totally id's fault that ATI released the wrong drivers.

Ohhhhh, that explains why plenty of people with nvidea cards also had problems.

id used drivers during testing that by their own admission had seen heavy internal modification. To release a game, without testing it on drivers that actually exist in the real world, that's horrid QA. That's releasing a broken game, shrugging your shoulders and going, "Eh, not my problem. They should have different drivers."

I had no problems with my Nvidia card. Maybe those who were having problems should actually upgrade their computers every once and a while.

I rarely feel the need to comment on ZP videos, but that Smashing Pumpkins reference was perfect.

...I have no particular interest in the game, I guess that says enough.

I haven't played Rage yet, but I'm taking a wild guess that the setting for the apocalypse is post-nuclear war, or something of a similar nature that's turned the oceans into dust and the people into asshats. I think it's time to assemble a list of alternate apocalypse settings that might liven things up a bit.

1. During a new ice age brought on by the magnetic reversal of the poles. People trade in their leather singlets for fur ones and all the quests involve shoveling someone's driveway and making snowmen to amuse the children.

2. World being destroyed by rapaging nanobots. More of an apocalypse in progress, which might come with a countdown in which you have to complete missions before the Earth is devoured. It could be about you getting revenge on the dick-wizard who unleashed the nanites in the first place. Also he killed and ate your daughter for good measure.

3. A zombie apocalypse, but replace zombies with unicorns. 'Unicorn Apoclaypse'. You'd play that, right?

I can see the point Yahtzee makes about a three disc game taking about a weekend to complete. I remember when a game having three (or four- FF VIII)discs was a sign of considerable status as far as game play time goes. But it's the same situation as FFXIII- Make it look ultra-pretty, then stuff it on three discs because one disc would get shat on (xbox that is). But at least it doesn't fill every disc with 20 hours of linear progression and/or poorly explained cutscenes.

Ah Yahtzee... keep being funny and I can overlook the raging fanboyism. I'll even deal with the people on this site who interpret your videos as "reviews" instead of the entertainment they are so long as you stay funny.

I thought the game was pretty fun, the shooting, questing, racing, and more shooting was nice but it was way to easy. The only times I had to use defibs was when I forgot to pause to reply to a text.
And the ending sucked. I'll just say that...

I hate how games these days are sacrificing content for graphics. I would be happy with 03 graphics, we had Jade Empire back then, and just exapnd on that.

Oh wait... Skyrim. There is hope yet for the human race :)

...they had pancakes and they didn't tell us??

Ophiuchus:
I rarely feel the need to comment on ZP videos, but that Smashing Pumpkins reference was perfect.

...I have no particular interest in the game, I guess that says enough.

I feel stupid asking this because I love The Smashing Pumpkins... but what reference?

Fenix7:

Ophiuchus:
I rarely feel the need to comment on ZP videos, but that Smashing Pumpkins reference was perfect.

...I have no particular interest in the game, I guess that says enough.

I feel stupid asking this because I love The Smashing Pumpkins... but what reference?

Remember the refrain for "Bullet with Butterfly Wings"? "Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage"? Watch the credits gag, it says "Still just a rat in a cage", referring to both the song and the name of the game.

Thank you Hal10k!

i dint like borderlands my self. found it pretty boring. and rage seems to look the same. and since the game has bin poorly optimized for the pc, i surely give it a miss. this game also never got my interest.
and rage asks me to waste 25GB which you will finish over the weekend??? there is surely something wrong here. good looks doesnt make a game good.
i have spend a more time on deus ex: HR and mass effect 2.

Well, I had a feeling that Rage was going to be completely unimpressive the moment I saw it demo'ed at a game store.

Diegolomac:
Great review, I agree that the effort on visuals means that they put less time in making the game long and really compelling even though it has three discs.

Anyways, I wonder how the hell is Yahtzee going to review what comes from here to the end of December. Just in October releases, there's still Spidermand Edge of Time, Dark Souls, Batman Arkham City, Battlefield 3, X-men Destiny, Forza 4, and Ace Combat Assault Horizon. And that's without counting the other, smaller ones, like Kinect titles he most certainly won't play.

November won't get any better, with Skyrim, Sonic Generations, Serious Sam 3, Assassin's Creed Revelations, Modern Warfare 3, Rayman Origins, Lord of the Rings War in the North, etc, etc. I wonder if he'll start reviewing two games at once, if he'll review the remaining ones next year, or if he'll just ignore more than half of the releases.

My bet is he will play them all and then condense it into a top 5 of November sort of thing :s or more likely just ignore most of them.

Good review, still trying to decide if I want this game though.

Something tells me Yahtzee won't be reviewing Dark Souls....lol

Jennacide:

krazykidd:

OT: Great video , wasn't even thinking of getting it , but now i won'T even get it when the price drops.

This, right here, is everything wrong with Yahtzee fans. You take an online cynics word as gospel and don't try anything for yourself.

Even though you make a good point, Rage isn't worth it. I personally have played Rage and have found it one of the most boring and lackluster shooters of the year. Every point Yahtzee hits on what's wrong with Rage is on point, although I agree for an FPS the length of the game is pretty good (even though it still sucked).

So basically ID spent all its time working on the engine, the animations, the graphics and forgot about plot and gameplay.. welcome to the future of gaming people its all shiny and sparkly..

*ponders if rage will do to games what twilight did to vampires*

Fallout: New Vegas featured jeans, shirts and jackets.

Pyramid Head:
It's kind of like Resistance 3's argument. It's a graphical upgrade on a good game rather than a new exciting game that merely borrowed some references from the previous good game, only Rage is based on Fallout 3 while Resistance is Half-Life.

Uhhh no, Resistance is a grittier, FPS version of Ratchet and Clank, both of which were made by Insomniac Games.

Am I the only person who doesn't completely despise this game? To me, it's actually kind of refreshing. It's the sort of game that is just quintessentially id Software. Monster closets. Big guns that go boom. No inane battle chatter, no lengthy cinematics, no "checkpoint reached." Just the simple fun of killing things, fermented and aged to a fine vintage. I thought it was a lot of fun... at least until the game glitched and I could not continue it. :(

Well pretty much exactly what I thought when I saw the news about the Bethesda QA tester ripping through Skyrim in like 2.5 hours.

How the hell are these games improvements or worthy of our money when they just seem to be slipping further and further backwards on any sane measure of quality everytime we get a new one.

I have just finished playing through Dragon Age for about the 5th time and I am giving serious consideration to playing through again so I can play an Arcane Warrior because I havnt done that yet. At the same time I have Space Marine (extremely dissapointing) and Killzone 3 sitting on the floor barely touched.

The point of saying that is, some games are of such a superb quality level that you cant stop playing them (Oblivion, Battlefield 2, Deus Ex1, Fallout1 etc) and some are so average you dont want to play them past the first 20 mins. I like pretty much all games so its not like Im saying I prefer RPG's or anything. Im saying developers are releasing products that are just so half assed its really sad.

For me the prime example of this fall in quality over time is the Fallout series. Fallout 1 was such an amazingly brilliant game I still open it up now and then for a little reminder of its total awesomness. Fallout 2 was pretty good too. I dont still have it installed but I got many many hours of excellent gameplay from it over a period of months. Fallout 3 was a complete dissapointment. When I finished it without even realising I was about to finish it in about 15 odd hours I was gobsmacked. How can you take such an epic storyline as the first game and miss the point of that so totally in FA3. FA3s main storyline was like a FA1 sidequest.

Now it seems I better get used to that feeling because games are declining in quality and long term playability in an almost linear progression. 1995 your average RPG is like 100 hours of play, 2005 its like 40 hours, 2011 its like 10 hours. So whats 2020, pay $100 to look at the box art and walk out the store with a memory?

I guess I shouldnt give them ideas.

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