Miracle of Sound: Brothers Of The Creed (Assassin's Creed)

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I'm typing this from a web cafe, as I haven't been able to access the Escapist for the last two days from my laptop - now I'm wondering if my internet wasn't trying to tell me something, lol.

Anyway. As much as I appreciate the feedback as always, I am, for once, going to stand firm on this one as it is, has been, by far my favourite of my gaming songs since I made it 5 months ago.

All the comments in the world would not convince me to change one note or instrument in this song. It is exactly as I wanted it to be, exactly what I heard in my head playing the game, sounded exactly how I wanted when I mixed it and is the one song I love to listen to the most of all my songs because it simply makes my ears feel good when I hear it.

So sorry dudes, I'm being selfish this time - this song is for me and if you don't dig it that's tough, because I do! :P

The only other thing I'll say here is that for the people saying the Arabic, eastern sound does not suit the series... go play the first game, and think before you make statements like that. The entire series and story is rooted in it.

Talk to you when I get this internet BS sorted!

MiracleOfSound:
I'm typing this from a web cafe, as I haven't been able to access the Escapist for the last two days from my laptop - now I'm wondering if my internet wasn't trying to tell me something, lol.

Anyway. As much as I appreciate the feedback as always, I am, for once, going to stand firm on this one as it is, has been, by far my favourite of my gaming songs since I made it 5 months ago.

All the comments in the world would not convince me to change one note, lyric, instrument or line in this song. It is exactly as I wanted it to be, exactly what I heard in my head playing the game, sounded exactly how I wanted when I mixed it and is the one song I love to listen to the most of all my songs because it simply makes my ears feel good when I hear it.

So sorry dudes, I'm being selfish this time - this song is for me and if you don't dig it that's tough, because I do! :P

The only other thing I'll say here is that for the people saying the Arabic, eastern sound does not suit the series... go play the first game, and think before you make statements like that. The entire series and story is rooted in it.

Talk to you when I get this internet BS sorted!

When you get the time, any chance you can share why you believe this one is your favourite?

Initially I quite liked it, and to be fair, New Black Gold was going to be a hell of a hard act to follow, but it's actually grown on me quite a bit with one or two more listens.

You nailed the Middle Eastern vibe coming from the first game, and, indeed the Assassin Order as a whole, and I really like the monastic hymn (have no idea what the technical term is) effect that frames the song.

Loved the references to the pieces of Eden in the lyrics as well- an aspect of the story that gets forgotten a little when you're dashing across rooftops in Venice or breaking into the Vatican like I'm fond of doing :P

Also, the 'zeros and ones I bleed' is a nice touch in getting the idea of the Animus in there too!

Sucal:
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When you get the time, any chance you can share why you believe this one is your favourite?

It's simple: I like the way it makes me feel when I listen to it, which is the only way I ever judge music.

The way they did the harmony make the song sound like its from Alice in Chains

Love the Arabic feel and the choir.

It surprised me at first, the opening seconds made me expect something different but I'm listening to it a second time while typing this and its really growing on me.

Would have liked a bit slower or understated lyrics laid on top of them. Like the bit at 3 mins. (But then, I'm a Suzanne Vega over Metallica type of guy.)

MiracleOfSound:
I'm typing this from a web cafe, as I haven't been able to access the Escapist for the last two days from my laptop - now I'm wondering if my internet wasn't trying to tell me something, lol.

Anyway. As much as I appreciate the feedback as always, I am, for once, going to stand firm on this one as it is, has been, by far my favourite of my gaming songs since I made it 5 months ago.

All the comments in the world would not convince me to change one note, lyric, instrument or line in this song. It is exactly as I wanted it to be, exactly what I heard in my head playing the game, sounded exactly how I wanted when I mixed it and is the one song I love to listen to the most of all my songs because it simply makes my ears feel good when I hear it.

So sorry dudes, I'm being selfish this time - this song is for me and if you don't dig it that's tough, because I do! :P

Hey, its your art. You can't do everything to satisfy the fans.

The Arabic style music was fantastic. I was surprised by the angle you took, but I guess basing the tone on the underlying enigmas of Assassins Creed made more sense than trying to base it on the lives of two very different individuals, in four different settings and cultures. All the conspiracy theory stuff, and the notion that the Templar vs. Assassin conflict has been going on much longer than a few centuries and has even outlived both groups is what really brings the games together, so good choice.

Nice song. Suit the game well. Gonna listen to it more.

Random berk:

The Arabic style music was fantastic. I was surprised by the angle you took, but I guess basing the tone on the underlying enigmas of Assassins Creed made more sense than trying to base it on the lives of two very different individuals, in four different settings and cultures. All the conspiracy theory stuff, and the notion that the Templar vs. Assassin conflict has been going on much longer than a few centuries and has even outlived both groups is what really brings the games together, so good choice.

I'm glad someone agrees. That's exactly what the song is about, the background story, Desmond, the Animus and the history - it's not about Altair pouting and Ezio being charming.

Don't wanna come off sounding unimpressed but a deeper, more powerful vocalist would have kicked this songs ass. Think like a five finger or killswitch style voice.

That would have made it way better.

"And I kill for the good in my white hood."

*facepalm*

They really didn't think that one through.

What other "White Hoods" does that make you think of?

Hint: K.

TheDoctor455:
"And I kill for the good in my white hood."

*facepalm*

They really didn't think that one through.

What other "White Hoods" does that make you think of?

Hint: K.

And why is this is a problem with the lyrics, and not with the game?

I just call it like it is. The white hood was Ubisoft's idea and that honestly never even occurred to me. I don't think they had the KKK back in medieval Europe and Middle East.

MiracleOfSound:

TheDoctor455:
"And I kill for the good in my white hood."

*facepalm*

They really didn't think that one through.

What other "White Hoods" does that make you think of?

Hint: K.

And why is this is a problem with the lyrics, and not with the game?

I just call it like it is. The white hood was Ubisoft's idea and that honestly never even occurred to me. I don't think they had the KKK back in medieval Europe and Middle East.

True. But it wasn't just the mention of white hoods that brought up that association.

It was the part about "killing for the good" of it.

I'm not accusing you and your team of racism... just pointing out an unfortunate implication
that some might be offended by.

And its not really a problem with the game, because there aren't any hoods in the series that are even remotely triangular in it.

I like the melody, I like your singing, I even like most of the lyrics. I think they all fit Assassin's Creed beautifully. Also, I'm a sucker for middle eastern style music.

But the line "I kill for good under/in my white hood"? Like many others in this thread it rubs me the wrong way. I know you obviously didn't mean it that way, but still... Imagine you're listening to the song - without the video - having never played and know nothing about Assassin's Creed and that line pops up for the first time. Yikes.

"Under my white hood" does sound a lot better than "in my white hood" though, and I don't understand why the transcript reads "in" when you clearly sing "under".

Anyway, that's the only peeve I have with it. I like it otherwise, although The New Black Gold is still my current favourite. <3

(Oh, and I listened to Mortal Kombat Party today for the first time since it came out and I really liked it! I think it's because I wasn't watching the video at the same time so I wasn't feeling nauseous through the whole thing =P)

In all, pretty good. It started off strong until about 1:03 into the video and then it went from "wow, I really like this" to "Yeah, it's pretty good".

In other words, this video does not suck.

LarenzoAOG:
Um, "I kill for good in my white hood" that one kind of threw me for a loop, I'm sure some less wholesome people have said the same thing in the past.

OT: Pretty good, but coming off of "The New Black Gold" I can't say it was a step up, still a good song.

I don't think they had the KKK in ireland so you'll have to forgive a guy if his lyrics have unforseen significance in the wide variety of world cultures.

The notes on creed and bleed grate on my ears, so one of your weaker songs.

I happened to be occupied the first time I watched this song, so I didn't really watch the video that much, only listened with half an ear.

Loved the song.

Took the time to watch the video.

Didn't like it as much.

Listened to it without watching any video.

Loved it again.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a badly edited video or anything (I especially like the parts where you zoom around in the Animus). It's just that, in the case of this particular song, I feel the aural effect is stronger without the visual element added. Not sure what any of that means, but I love the sounds in this song. The Arabic leitmotif is so palpable - the Middle Eastern-tinged chord progressions, the sitar-like guitar style, the overarching sweep of wordless melody, the perfect interval harmonization - just an amazing combination that I drink in when I listen to it.

Thank you, MoS, for this song. I, like many, love the Assassin's Creed games, and appreciate the thought you put into this song.

(Hey, you ever going to do a Prince of Persia song? That would be awesome...)

I have only played the first Assassin's Creed game - which I enjoyed. I also enjoyed this song - I thought it was good.

Just one question - can somebody tell me which game that last scene in music video was from (i.e. where he gets a rope put around his neck)?

Nashidar:
Just one question - can somebody tell me which game that last scene in music video was from (i.e. where he gets a rope put around his neck)?

The completely awesome Assassin's Creed Revelations trailer from E3.

Oh cool. Cheers mate. :)

NinjaDeathSlap:
Perhaps something less electric and more classical would have been a better fit.

I'm afraid my budget doesn't allow for classical musicians/instruments in these songs. :(

I can only afford to use the tools at my own disposal which are, at best, limited.

Sucal:
Meh, I'm gonna have to say that it was one of your weakest songs. But then thats mostly because I can't really tell if its meant to be from the perspective of the in game/past assassins, Desmond and Friends or just a general thing about the creed. I kind of feel like it stretches for all three at once and doesn't really seem to reach any.

The song is about Desmond, the Animus, Minerva, the biblical references and the underlying history behind the story.

tklivory:

Don't get me wrong, it's not a badly edited video or anything (I especially like the parts where you zoom around in the Animus). It's just that, in the case of this particular song, I feel the aural effect is stronger without the visual element added. Not sure what any of that means, but I love the sounds in this song. The Arabic leitmotif is so palpable - the Middle Eastern-tinged chord progressions, the sitar-like guitar style, the overarching sweep of wordless melody, the perfect interval harmonization - just an amazing combination that I drink in when I listen to it.

Thank you, MoS, for this song. I, like many, love the Assassin's Creed games, and appreciate the thought you put into this song.

I'm really glad you made that comment. It seems you understand where I was coming from with the song better than most people did, which is not to their discredit, it just means that it's more vague than most of the other songs. But I'm happy someone appreciated the musical style for what it is and was supposed to represent.

Akalabeth:

LarenzoAOG:
Um, "I kill for good in my white hood" that one kind of threw me for a loop, I'm sure some less wholesome people have said the same thing in the past.

OT: Pretty good, but coming off of "The New Black Gold" I can't say it was a step up, still a good song.

I don't think they had the KKK in ireland so you'll have to forgive a guy if his lyrics have unforseen significance in the wide variety of world cultures.

Akalabeth:

LarenzoAOG:
Um, "I kill for good in my white hood" that one kind of threw me for a loop, I'm sure some less wholesome people have said the same thing in the past.

OT: Pretty good, but coming off of "The New Black Gold" I can't say it was a step up, still a good song.

I don't think they had the KKK in ireland so you'll have to forgive a guy if his lyrics have unforseen significance in the wide variety of world cultures.

Ah, I wasn't aware the Miracle Of Sound team was Irish, I understood the context of the lyric, but the unintended implication kind of surprised me.

LarenzoAOG:

Ah, I wasn't aware the Miracle Of Sound team was Irish, I understood the context of the lyric, but the unintended implication kind of surprised me.

This indeed is the case. Also there is no MOS team, it's just me. Perhaps in this case someone to bounce the lyrics off may have been beneficial. Oh well.

MiracleOfSound:

LarenzoAOG:

Ah, I wasn't aware the Miracle Of Sound team was Irish, I understood the context of the lyric, but the unintended implication kind of surprised me.

This indeed is the case. Also there is no MOS team, it's just me. Perhaps in this case someone to bounce the lyrics off may have been beneficial. Oh well.

Wow, I thought Miracle Of Sound was a band, that is really awesome.

A little late to the party here I know but whatever. While I will admit that this song isn't my favourite of these it has one major thing going for it and that's in the vocals.

Not so much the lead vocals, It was the chorus that let the song down a little for me, but rather that... chant/backing vocals that ran behind the guitar riff at the beginning and after each chorus. When those kicked in the song picked up hugely. Not sure if there are actually words there or if it's just noises to fit with the guitars. Either way it was a brilliant addition and helped the song beautifully capture the middle-eastern vibe. An excellent touch there, it really made the song great.

I don't care what anyone says this is a good song, if people want to whine about it let them

My God, I do love this song. It's bumped The New Black Gold from my top 3

Strange how I end up liking every MoS song after hearing it a few times, even if I didn't care for it the first time..

Magnalian:
Strange how I end up liking every MoS song after hearing it a few times, even if I didn't care for it the first time..

I think that's just how music works.
The first time you hear a song, you're not sure what to think of it. I think there have actually been studies that've said that, part of the enjoyment of music comes from the listener's expectations of what's coming up. So when you're more familiar with the song, and when the music itself is not jagged and disharmonious, you appreciate it more.

I'll be the first to admit that this is not my favourite song (that honour goes to Little Sister and Santiago's Lament). Though, thinking about picking up some MoS tracks I would prefer if this original version was still available on itunes (I get the impression he edited it).

Also I'm not familiar with the games, so the song has no emotional context for me. Still have AC1 sitting on my shelf but have not yet gotten to playing it.

MiracleOfSound:

And I kill for good in my white hood.

This question has to be asked, since it has been bugging me immensely. A friend of mine recently bought your LEVEL-1 cd and when he played this particular song, I couldn't help but notice tht there was something different.

Specfically, the "And I kill for good in my white hood" line has changed. Now I go looking around the internet and find that on the first site where it's up for sale, this change has also been made, but not to the original on the escapist. Couple that with a comment on page 2 where Gavin specifically claim to never want to change the song.

So i'm confused.
Very confused. Does anyone know why this happened? what the reasoning is?

Valthek:

Specfically, the "And I kill for good in my white hood" line has changed. Now I go looking around the internet and find that on the first site where it's up for sale, this change has also been made, but not to the original on the escapist. Couple that with a comment on page 2 where Gavin specifically claim to never want to change the song.

So i'm confused.
Very confused. Does anyone know why this happened? what the reasoning is?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/miracleofsoundencore/9232-The-New-Black-Gold-and-Brothers-of-The-Creed

All your answers are here ;)

And now I feel silly for asking the question.
Thanks for clearing that up for me (and anyone else who has the same question.)

And (after reading your article) if it's any consolation, I rather like the song.

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