Star Wars: The Old Republic Hands On

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Star Wars: The Old Republic Hands On

BioWare sets us loose to explore the galaxy on our own.

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Doesn't the group thing get in the way of the conversations?

I'd be pretty miffed if I wanted to ask a character for more story content, only to have one of my colleagues hit the 'just shoot him' option.

Republic Fighting Separatists? God, can they not come up with some cool name for an independent league? Like the League of Independence or something?

If not for the monthly subscription I would be getting it day one.

This is after playing the beta too.

tmande2nd:
If not for the monthly subscription I would be getting it day one.

This is after playing the beta too.

Can you explain why a monthly sub is a deal breaker? This may not be the case with yourself, but many cringe at the idea of paying a $15 sub, but are quick to drop 60 bucks monthly on a new release, or even 20 bucks on a sale on Steam.

Steve Butts:
It also appears that Light Side and Dark Side points for choices made during the conversations are only awarded to players who voted for the conversation option that was ultimately given. So if you want a criminal to destroy a shipment of illegal goods but the rest of your party votes to profit from them, your choice won't be honored but at least you won't suffer Dark Side points for it.

Just FYI, in that particular situation you'd actually still get the light side points for the decision you made, despite being overruled by the winning vote. =)

Too many half ass good F2P MMO's have started to blur the vision in regards to pay to play titles.

Frankly I could care less about sub fees or not, if the games good, I'll pay, if the game sucks I won't even play it for free...and the games I won't play for free is getting to be a pretty long list.

'the tractor beam has been powered down' this is from star trek. Am sure the star wars one is 'mag field'
that is all.

EDIT wrong.
All the star wars games have blureed into one mess

I kind of want to this just for storyline purposes. I would of been sold if the game didn't seem so black and white for the evil and good options. Sounds like if I choose to be a sith I'm stuck being one and my choices should be all be dark sided related, and the same vice versa.

Still, I really do want to check this out. I can't help but worry about it's future though, I hope enough players get it.

John Burton:
'the tractor beam has been powered down' this is from star trek. Am sure the star wars one is 'mag field'
that is all

Wrong; It's the whole plot device that gets the millennium falcon stuck on the death star in A New Hope.

Actually the group convo system is kind of fun. Though only Bioware would make a game in the Star Wars universe, with literally uncountable race options, and give you five choices, two of which are Human. Lame. Lame. Lame.

I like what Star Trek Online did. A bunch of canon races to choose from and then "alien" where you get to make your own.

Adam28:
I kind of want to this just for storyline purposes. I would of been sold if the game didn't seem so black and white for the evil and good options. Sounds like if I choose to be a sith I'm stuck being one and my choices should be all be dark sided related, and the same vice versa.

Still, I really do want to check this out. I can't help but worry about it's future though, I hope enough players get it.

You can't defect (simply because they need to actual release the game some time this century), but you can be a light side Sith. Or at least less of an arse hole one, with the idea being that if you're born within the Sith Empire and are force sensitive, you're either forced to join or else you're killed.

Nimzabaat:
Actually the group convo system is kind of fun. Though only Bioware would make a game in the Star Wars universe, with literally uncountable race options, and give you five choices, two of which are Human. Lame. Lame. Lame.

I like what Star Trek Online did. A bunch of canon races to choose from and then "alien" where you get to make your own.

There's 8, and they're all humanoids because they're the ones that speak English. A Wookiee sounds like a fun idea now, not so much after 200 hours of listening to him whine through every conversation.

Zhukov:
Doesn't the group thing get in the way of the conversations?

I'd be pretty miffed if I wanted to ask a character for more story content, only to have one of my colleagues hit the 'just shoot him' option.

This is what I thought as soon as they announced that feature, but no one seemed to care. Bioware said something along the lines of 'yer if you want to choose light side and your friends choose dark side and win the roll that will a fun thing that can happen'

No it will be annoying and I won't play with them again. You shouldn't have to pvp over a conversation option.

But at least with leveling more classes you get another chance to see the story options.

Zaul2010:
[quote="Zhukov" post="6.318937.13006964"]Doesn't the group thing get in the way of the conversations?

I'd be pretty miffed if I wanted to ask a character for more story content, only to have one of my colleagues hit the 'just shoot him' option.[/quote

This is what I thought as soon as they announced that feature, but no one seemed to care. Bioware said something as long the lines of 'yer if you want to choose light side and your friends choose dark side and win the roll that will a fun thing that can happen'

No it will be annoying and I won't play with them again. You shouldn't have to pvp over a conversation option.

But at least with leveling more classes you get another chance to see the story options.

If it relates to your class story no one else will choose an outcome for you, if its a Flashpoint or Operation (a raid) then you can replay it anyway.

shadowmagus:

tmande2nd:
If not for the monthly subscription I would be getting it day one.

This is after playing the beta too.

Can you explain why a monthly sub is a deal breaker? This may not be the case with yourself, but many cringe at the idea of paying a $15 sub, but are quick to drop 60 bucks monthly on a new release, or even 20 bucks on a sale on Steam.

Because you could get GW2 and not have to pay for a sub? XD

Steve Butts:
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I see a lot of references to "Separatists" there. Are you really sure about that??

I'm not quite the SW fanboi I used to be in times gone by, but I'm pretty sure the Separatists were the ones that got caned during the creation of the Evil Empire.

I'm also pretty sure that there were only 2 Sith around during that time.

Not to immediately call doom or anything, but I'm not sure the consistency people have got their act together on this one.

<----- Is less hopeful than ever for TOR.

Storyline and character development - all well and good, but what point is there to it if all the characters will ultimately have experienced the same events and have developed the same backstory? Roleplaying happens because players have different play styles and experiences during their game, not because their characters were shoehorned into the exact same plot.

This is really what I am worried about, as the game might provide a "rpg" experience, it might just kill the immersion for actual multi-player role-playing.

While this does look like an amazing game, and I would gladly shell out 60 bucks for it, it is not worth paying a monthly subscription. Maybe in time it will be able to stand up to the massive amounts of different content available in wow, but it won't at first, not by a long shot.
In essence, I feel like this would make the greatest single player star wars game ever made, but as an mmo, I don't see it lasting. Right now you only have 4 classes so to speak, from what i have seen the light vs dark side stuff pretty much matches up across the board except for some small unique abilities added in for spice. WoW has 10 fully unique classes, each with multiple play styles and playable races to boot. This offers a huge variation for pvp and raids, and dont get me started on how shallow SWTOR seems with its flashpoints or whatever.

I just, i don't know. 15 bucks is a lot to drop every month i want to even boot the game. WoW hasn't been worth that to me for a long while, and it has from what i can see right now, waaaaay more content to go through. I love rpg's but as an rpg Not an mmo.

Korten12:

Because you could get GW2 and not have to pay for a sub? XD

A mention of GW2 on a different MMO article? Shocking. This never happens, which isn't surprising because of the lack of quality.

Companions that look at your choices? Bioware have been forgiven of all my issues with them for that alone and is the first thing that has made me interested

Lawyer105:

Steve Butts:
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I see a lot of references to "Separatists" there. Are you really sure about that??

I'm not quite the SW fanboi I used to be in times gone by, but I'm pretty sure the Separatists were the ones that got caned during the creation of the Evil Empire.

I'm also pretty sure that there were only 2 Sith around during that time.

Not to immediately call doom or anything, but I'm not sure the consistency people have got their act together on this one.

<----- Is less hopeful than ever for TOR.

It's a reference to the specific situation on Ord Mantell, not the seperatist movement in the prequels. I can't go into story details probably, but there are seperatists on Ord Mantell and they are the primary antagonists on the prologue planet for the trooper and smuggler.

Alchemist08:
While this does look like an amazing game, and I would gladly shell out 60 bucks for it, it is not worth paying a monthly subscription. Maybe in time it will be able to stand up to the massive amounts of different content available in wow, but it won't at first, not by a long shot.
In essence, I feel like this would make the greatest single player star wars game ever made, but as an mmo, I don't see it lasting. Right now you only have 4 classes so to speak, from what i have seen the light vs dark side stuff pretty much matches up across the board except for some small unique abilities added in for spice. WoW has 10 fully unique classes, each with multiple play styles and playable races to boot. This offers a huge variation for pvp and raids, and dont get me started on how shallow SWTOR seems with its flashpoints or whatever.

I just, i don't know. 15 bucks is a lot to drop every month i want to even boot the game. WoW hasn't been worth that to me for a long while, and it has from what i can see right now, waaaaay more content to go through. I love rpg's but as an rpg Not an mmo.

WoW has been out and recieving regular content update and polish for years. This game is launching.

shadowmagus:

tmande2nd:
If not for the monthly subscription I would be getting it day one.

This is after playing the beta too.

Can you explain why a monthly sub is a deal breaker? This may not be the case with yourself, but many cringe at the idea of paying a $15 sub, but are quick to drop 60 bucks monthly on a new release, or even 20 bucks on a sale on Steam.

It's not so much the cost, it's the value of the experience. Maybe I don't want to keep paying for the same experience. Maybe I want to shoot Covenant, or run over old ladies, or blow up buildings, or build a tower, or dig a hole to the center of the earth. TOR (or any one game) simply can't contain all experiences at once and maintain a unified, coherent theme. Not even Minecraft has everything.

Alchemist08:
Right now you only have 4 classes so to speak, from what i have seen the light vs dark side stuff pretty much matches up across the board except for some small unique abilities added in for spice. WoW has 10 fully unique classes, each with multiple play styles and playable races to boot.

Even if you don't count the Empire and Republic Classes separately, you have to look at the Advanced Classes as full Classes...because that's what they are. Each Advanced Class has three Skill Trees (like WoW's Talent Trees) and 2-3 roles that it can fill. You can Spec within your AC, but you can't just swap ACs at will. So sure, WoW has 10 Classes...and TOR has 8 (if you don't count the *almost* mirror Classes on the opposite Faction). It is NOT 4 vs 10.

As to Races - TOR has several playable Races, just like WoW does - and each has its own Racial abilities (although the exact abilities have not been revealed yet, they *have* been confirmed). The Racial abilities in TOR, however, won't affect combat - so you won't have any of the bias of having to play a certain race in order to Min/Max your Character when playing a specific Class.

From what I played, it's really KOTOR 3 with co-op and multiplayer options.

Story takes center stage, which is a good thing, and you can play all the way to max level without ever grouping up if you don't want to. Though you miss out on a lot of the side-content and rare items.

People expecting a wide variety of aliens to play as like in SWG are going to be disappointed. Twi'lek is about as different looking head as you're going to get, the rest look like humans with different colors and facial features, and there's only 4 body types: 12 year old boy, skinny 19 year old, body builder buff, and wide-as-a-tank fatass.

I enjoy my time, but it's obviously nowhere near the depth the hype makes it appear.

Zhukov:
Doesn't the group thing get in the way of the conversations?

I'd be pretty miffed if I wanted to ask a character for more story content, only to have one of my colleagues hit the 'just shoot him' option.

There's a "dice roll", highest number pics what animation plays, but whatever YOU pick will still apply to your character. If your buddy wins a roll and kills someone, but you didn't, you'll see his animation play out, but you still get your lightside points.

Steve Butts:
Well this week the blast doors have been blown open, the tractor beam has been powered down, and we've been exploring the galaxy in the new beta to uncover everything we can learn about the game

Ah, that's a rookie mistake by Bioware there. If they'd only shot the control panel fron inside the room and locked you out, The Escapist could never have gotten away with this delicious review!

Too bad they're forcing me to be Han Solo in regards to the smuggler. Guess what, I fucking hated Solo. What makes Bioware think then that I need to dress in a jacket, have a Wookie and fly around in a god damn Millennium Falcon?

thirion1850:
Too bad they're forcing me to be Han Solo in regards to the smuggler. Guess what, I fucking hated Solo. What makes Bioware think then that I need to dress in a jacket, have a Wookie and fly around in a god damn Millennium Falcon?

I'm guessing you don't need to wear a jacket, They can probably wear light armour, but i don't actually know, one of the other guys who has played the Beta can probably tell you. Is it only a Wookie? I though there were a few choices of what you get as a companion? You always had a Millennium Falcon rip off in the Kotor Games...The Ebon Hawk...so this is no different :P

OT: Sounds awesome! I'll probably get it a few month after release, but still, Glad to see an MMO that sounds like it will be able to stand on it's own 2 feet without getting drunk and collapsing...

Bah! Just earlier this evening I read a leak which seemed to hint very very strongly that Bioware have royally fucked up how they were going to tie up the Exile/Revan's hanging plot-threads from KOTOR II.

The only thing that was tempting me to even think about playing TOR was to see how events from the KOTOR series tied up. According to the leaked info, they buggered that one up. Unless it turns out that the leak was way, way off base, I'm going to be very sceptical abotu this. I'm sure it's a perfectly playable MMO, but as a long-time KOTOR fan, I don't want to play a game that actively shits on the legacy of its forbears.

Personally, I had a lot of fun in the beta. There are some visual...issues I have with it (desktop/interface is too big, et al), but they're cosmetic issues.

Found a new favorite race to play as well. :D

arc1991:

thirion1850:
Too bad they're forcing me to be Han Solo in regards to the smuggler. Guess what, I fucking hated Solo. What makes Bioware think then that I need to dress in a jacket, have a Wookie and fly around in a god damn Millennium Falcon?

I'm guessing you don't need to wear a jacket, They can probably wear light armour, but i don't actually know, one of the other guys who has played the Beta can probably tell you. Is it only a Wookie? I though there were a few choices of what you get as a companion? You always had a Millennium Falcon rip off in the Kotor Games...The Ebon Hawk...so this is no different :P

OT: Sounds awesome! I'll probably get it a few month after release, but still, Glad to see an MMO that sounds like it will be able to stand on it's own 2 feet without getting drunk and collapsing...

Each class has 5 companions, the Wookiee is just one of many smuggler companions. He's not even the first one. The smuggler is directly inspired by Han Solo, and is one of many direct inspirations from the movies. You can play him how you want though, so if you want the heartless, shoot first Solo, you can.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Bah! Just earlier this evening I read a leak which seemed to hint very very strongly that Bioware have royally fucked up how they were going to tie up the Exile/Revan's hanging plot-threads from KOTOR II.

The only thing that was tempting me to even think about playing TOR was to see how events from the KOTOR series tied up. According to the leaked info, they buggered that one up. Unless it turns out that the leak was way, way off base, I'm going to be very sceptical abotu this. I'm sure it's a perfectly playable MMO, but as a long-time KOTOR fan, I don't want to play a game that actively shits on the legacy of its forbears.

I know the leak you are talking about, and there's a strong possibility that the character that the leak refers to is not actually that character. I would recommend reading the Revan novel when it comes out. Devs have said that while references are made to KOTOR 1 & 2 the story of SWTOR was not made to finish the KOTOR story lines.

OT: I've seen enough game play and story footage to know that this is exactly the type of game I want to play, and I'm not the only one either. All of my wow friends are moving over too, gonna be a blast :D

I was in one of the weekend long testing things for SWTOR...I'm not going to break the NDA but *secret wink wink*

Nemu:
Personally, I had a lot of fun in the beta. There are some visual...issues I have with it (desktop/interface is too big, et al), but they're cosmetic issues.

Found a new favorite race to play as well. :D

I believe you just broke the NDA.

if I remember the trailer correctly, in this game your level is represented by how many light sabers you can use at the same time, I wanna be the first guy to have 12, I'll throw seven of them, and hack away with the other 5.

Well, this is already a day one buy for me, but im Australian so im out in the Red Zone and have to order a Copy via amazon since EA decided to to sell it down under :-/. I do have one porblem that i would like to ask anyone who has been on the Beta, what races are there? i havent found a race list anywhere for this game so far. ive seen alot of people complaining that they dont want a game thats going to have over half the population on each side as force users, that honestly doesnt bother me as long as there not all HUMAN force users.

Personly was hoping to play a Barabel Jedi or maybe a Chiss.

notimeforlulz:
if I remember the trailer correctly, in this game your level is represented by how many light sabers you can use at the same time, I wanna be the first guy to have 12, I'll throw seven of them, and hack away with the other 5.

WHAT?! Are you sure you're remembering right? There's no way Bioware would put something so ridiculous into the game.

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