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the lying to get nasa its funding = GENIUS!

Ha ha, so silly. It's like that guy in that SNL sketch. 'HEY ASSHOLES, WHY ARE YOU WASTING TIME STUDYING CANCER... DON'T STUDY IT, CURE IT!'

brazuca:

ReiverCorrupter:

brazuca:
The meat "problem" is not a science problem, it's a capitalism problem. Also the hunger in Africa is a capitalism problem (with more deep historical implications). We the 7 billion humans already produce more food than we actually need.

Don't kid yourself, it's a human greed problem. Did you forget that communism had its shot too? It failed because it didn't account for the greed and incompetence of bureaucrats. Capitalism is hardly perfect but it functions because it expects people to be greedy. The form of government or economic complex hardly matters, you'd have to change human nature itself.

I meant in the contest of harvesting artificial meat (much more expensive). I mean thinking that creating meat in a lab can solve hunger is naive. It is a capitalism problem as the much "easier" solution is the cheap one. And no URSS by definition was not communism, as if you ever go to history class (college degree level) they will teach you that URSS was a state capitalism (whatever that is).

Oh, I agree in regards to harvesting meat, that is a capitalism problem. Business are historically conservative in regards to new technology when they already have a technology that works, it goes for meat and energy. I was saying that our lack of willingness to help other countries is a result of human nature and not our specific economic system. And I didn't reference soviet Russia in particular. I doubt there were ever any pure forms of communism on the national level, the logistics alone would make it nearly impossible. My point is just that you can't blame capitalism for everything. Corruption and greed occur within all societies and economic systems, and the basic reason why we aren't helping Africa is simply that we don't really care as a society enough to seriously do anything about it. Some people do, but they are the minority. We would probably still refrain from giving them aid if we were socialists.

Dammit, Bob. You forgot the most important thing!

VIRTUAL REALITY. It'd probably get rid of all the no-scopers in CoD, and you get the personal satisfaction of decapitating that idiot that won't shut up in the pregame lobby.

BgRdMchne:

Father Time:

BgRdMchne:
You are never going into space.
You will never own a jet pack.
Your car will never fly.
HIV will not be cured in your lifetime.
Cancer will not be cured in your lifetime.
The common cold will not be cured in your lifetime.
Don't these things bother you?

You don't know these things

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

- Mark Twain

Hope is the denial of reality.

- Margaret Weis

And a witty quote proves nothing.

Also, uh,

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-10-biologists-anti-hiv-antibody-potency.html

We're getting closer to each of these cures every year. And since it's now possible to run a major biotechnology firm out of a garage (http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-10-bio-hacker-group-home.html), don't pull the BS "oh the corporations will crush it."

Newsflash.

Corporations are government backed dinosaurs that are on their way to extinction. The homebrew industrial revolution is coming, and we're going to see a major shift from mass production to individual creation and village economics soon.

The future has never looked so bright...or so terrifying. We're soon going to be living in a world where people will be able to construct super-ebola in their backyard...or live forever. A world where items can be produced basically for free by nanorobots...which can then also devour entire continents in gray goo.

It's exciting, isn't it?

Nicolaus99:

oktalist:

Nicolaus99:
2: Back to including your liberal politics, on a website called "The Escapist". Irony fail.

What irony? Please explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapism

You may honestly have found the most badly written article on Wikipedia. Amazing.

If that does not clarify it for you, nothing will.

Perhaps a simple explanation would clarify it better than a link to an article with no central cohesive theme, that leaves me guessing which one of half a dozen different points you might have been trying to make.

I particularly like the entry's opening statement: Escapism is mental diversion by means of entertainment or recreation, as an "escape" from the perceived unpleasant or banal aspects of daily life. It can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to help relieve persisting feelings of depression or general sadness.

OK so I think I've figured out that you're trying to say that "liberal politics" (a fairly broad term) are an attempt to escape from the unpleasantness of the world. I would have to agree with that. I also conclude that you, by extension, believe that they are a fruitless, ultimately meaningless form of escapism. I can agree or disagree with that depending on what exactly you mean by "liberal politics".

Apologies if I sound rude. It is not intended.

I think I have rebuttals to all 3 of those things:

1: Because then thousands of Beef, Chicken, Pork, and other kinds of ranchers will loose their jobs and the unemployment rate will go higher. Plus, that Cultured Meat probably is bland as fudge.

2: Lying like that is illegal and can get you into some serious trouble. Especially with an attitude of "Yes, I lied, have fun with the Space ships". And honestly, without, you know, sending someone to these planets with the equipment to mine these minerals, it won't be conceivable. You'll be arrested before a single plane is built.

3: Different Genes that Bears don't have, waste of money, or the Dogs are just naturally Genetically Modified to be tiny.

Still a good video though.

Isn't there a rather large amount of Titanium on the moon? It's not quite gold, but it's near as damnit.

Also isn't Mars red because of all the iron? Again, it's not oil, but it's valuable.

Okay, anyone who watched this and is still pissed about the U.S. Government shutting down NASA, let me explain something to you.

It has nothing to do with the U.S. Government not wanting manned space exploration.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that NASA is SHIT.

And that's not necessarily because they can't get the technical work done; they're smart guys. But they've become so risk-averse since the days of the Apollo program that they can't even scratch their noses without having the proper authorizations filled out in triplicate and signed off by their senior staff.

On top of that, while NASA is strangling themselves with paperwork and bureaucracy, commercial ventures like Virgin Atlantic are probably going to have mastered airborne orbital launches within the next decade or so.

So yeah, they did it to themselves. Get over it, and look for good space stuff coming out the commercial sector instead.

A hamster in the size of a bear? Pfft... a frickin' Godzilla would be way more awesome! :D

oktalist:

Nicolaus99:

oktalist:

What irony? Please explain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escapism

You may honestly have found the most badly written article on Wikipedia. Amazing.

If that does not clarify it for you, nothing will.

Perhaps a simple explanation would clarify it better than a link to an article with no central cohesive theme, that leaves me guessing which one of half a dozen different points you might have been trying to make.

I particularly like the entry's opening statement: Escapism is mental diversion by means of entertainment or recreation, as an "escape" from the perceived unpleasant or banal aspects of daily life. It can also be used as a term to define the actions people take to help relieve persisting feelings of depression or general sadness.

OK so I think I've figured out that you're trying to say that "liberal politics" (a fairly broad term) are an attempt to escape from the unpleasantness of the world. I would have to agree with that. I also conclude that you, by extension, believe that they are a fruitless, ultimately meaningless form of escapism. I can agree or disagree with that depending on what exactly you mean by "liberal politics".

Apologies if I sound rude. It is not intended.

Gonna make a liar out of myself and try again.

Most of us of any political inclination can generally agree that political mouth noise is unpleasant and banal. I can confidently say that people don't come to The Escapist for content jaw-flapping about political idealogues like Glenn Beck or Keith Olberman. That Bob cannot control himself enough to resist repeatedly inserting his political 2 cents into a non-political video gaming site like the Escapist is unprofessional and derogatory of the website in general. Silence is consent and if the editor will not call out Bob on his bullsh_t, at least it will not have gone unchallenged.

I would kill for a Bear the size of a Hamster. The only real question is where would I get the tiny salmon to populate the tiny stream is his habitat?

I'm sensing a whole untapped miniaturization market place here. "It's a small world petting zoo".

I appreciate that these are all joke questions, but the ease of answering them all is pretty infuriating

I was kind of hoping that we'd tackle the oft-mentioned (by Bob Chipman, anyway) theme of "science guys are evil" and wondering who are being considered as American heroes instead.

At least Bob had some fun with it...

Reminds me of that episode of "Better Off Ted" where they made cultured meat, it cost several thousand dollars an ounce and tasted like "dispair".

Jetpacks have existed for dozens of years. They are loud enough that you need military grade headphones while flying them, so there is no chance that they will ever be incorporated into the commercial market. Because of this lack of popularity, there is no regulation on where and where and where not you can fly in one, and whether you need a pilot's license, and they cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they can't go more then an hour on a single tank.

It is cheaper to feed people vegetarian food then to grow ANY kind of meat.

That space plan is NOT going to work, but why not an obama scandal on the moon, and give fox news a spaceship?

Hover motorcycle soon to come into production, as close as your gonna get for now... :)
http://www.hover-bike.com/

Once again, people fail to understand that science is not something you enter with the intent of practical application. Any practical uses are just a happy byproduct of learning things.

Oh, and what's actually stopping hamsters the size of bears is the square-cube law, genius.

Sometimes Bob can be a shit.

This gave me a good laugh, great work Bob.

Looks like the other topics been cover. So I'll just tackle the last topic.

We didn't figure out how to make dogs small. The oldest version of dog out there was probably something like a Pug or Pekingese, which we breed to be bigger, possibly by cross breeding with wolves. Large changes in size also change body shape, fact is a tiny bear probably would look like a tiny dog -so we've done it.

BgRdMchne:

Father Time:

How come you never see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery?"
-Jay Leno

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I don't need to be psychic to know these things. Just like I know that Jesus will never come back, there will never be peace on Earth, and that coal will never spontaneously turn into gold.

Your life will be a lot better if you take off the rose colored glasses and accept that this world is shit and that science is no longer about innovation and advancement, merely profit and finding better ways to put dumb YouTube videos on a telephone.

Hey now, wait just one minute! Peace on Earth is totally feasable! We've already got nukes, right? Enough to scour the surface of the planet a dozen times over?

Well, starting a few minutes after World War 16, I could see Earth being mighty peaceful. :-P

Oh my Bob, please stick to movies. If you're serious then you're waaay out of your element on this one. When I saw the title for this I knew it was going to be trouble. See, gamers can be the nerdy sort (I mean that as a complement), and the same can be said for scientists. Therefore, there's bound to be some gamer/scientist overlap on the Escapist and there's a distinct possibility we may know a thing or two. As a person who has studied science for a good portion of his life, I'll try to address your grievances even though a lot of people already have. I'll give my version, I guess. Plus there's some things on here that aren't exactly right. So:

1. The goddamn jetpacks:
The problem with the concept of a jetpack is, or a least was, the problem of the power to weight ratio of the device. We only recently have materials that are light and strong enough to allow a jetpack to lift off and not be held down by its own weight plus the person controlling it. Also, the things in use now aren't really "jetpacks" because I'm almost certain there's no jet turbine on them. They're merely short term rocket engines that can scoot a guy around for a few minutes. Optimistically (last I heard), the makers of these hope to eventually have one that can last 20 minutes. Still, you have to be under a certain weight to use one, the training is extensive, and the units themselves cost a shit-ton. I still want one though. Flying cars actually may prove useful, but more as an emergency vehicle, or a cheaper, more easily controlled alternative to a helicopter. Not a thing for everyday use.

2. Lab grown meat:
Okay, I admit that I know worlds more about aerospace than I ever will about biotech, but I just see glaring logistical problems with this. The most obvious being where the hell is all this lab grown meat going to come from ?! Look, if you want a lab grown liver for a transplant, that's one thing. The average human liver weighs about 3 lbs (googled). To make one in a petri dish of sorts in more feasible due to size. The average cow can yield up to about 600 lbs of beef (also googled). This is for steak cuts as well as the lesser stuff that can be ground up for burgers, fillers and such. From my understanding, and once again I'm not a biotech guy, creating cultured organs/flesh is a very precise business. To create 600 lbs of cultured flesh that may or may not even be palatable to us, seems to be an undertaking several orders of magnitude more complex and expensive than simply raising cattle. I can't even imagine how that much could be grown let alone what would have to be an astronomical cost of doing so. You could have a burger, but it would probably cost a few hundred dollars. And while those assholes at PETA may leave you alone, the anti-GMO nuts would go ballistic. Both groups are full of idiots, in my opinion. It just doesn't seem like a feasible solution to what I, frankly, don't even believe is a problem.

3. Space!:
Now here's something I know quite a bit about and am very passionate about, so maybe there a bias here, but most of this is quite well accepted by engineers. If you want to know why we haven't landed on Mars ask a politician, not a scientist. While they looked cool as hell, the Space Shuttles (the STS system) was a massive misstep by NASA. If we'd continued to develop more advanced heavy lift vehicles; successors to the Saturn V, for example, the Moon and Mars would be easy and done by now. But that's not to say those missions would even be hard as it is. A couple things though:

Rabidkitten:
Whats up with the human space program?

Answer: It's useless. And I'm serious, it's completely fucking useless. Now why is it useless? Because people in space is unnecessary and will always be unnecessary. Robots and AI are the key tools to space exploration,[...]Tell me who was better for scientists, Spirit and Opportunity or Neil Armstrong? Spirit and Opportunity killed the human space program.

Really? First off, do you mean Neil Armstrong or Armstrong/Aldrin/Collins themselves, or the six Apollo missions as a whole? Because if that's true then the answer is Apollo by a long shot. The manned lunar missions furthered our understanding of the Moon much, much more than the MER rovers furthered our understanding of Mars. Hell, I'd say they did better than all the Mars probes combined. Apollo certainly did better than all the lunar probes. I had an opportunity to attend a talk given by Steven Squyres, who was the head honcho for the MER rovers (Spirit and Opportunity). He talked a bit about the project and was quite pleased that the rovers lasted more than three times as long as intended. The mission was a huge success. However, he was absolutely adamant that a human mission had to take place because, in his words, "It would take a human 6 hours to get the same amount of data it took those rovers 6 months to gather." There are a whole slew of reasons that manned missions are inherently better, I'm not going to list them all because this post is long enough, but if you think I'm full of shit, say so and then I'll list them.

Gluzzbung:
Hate to say it, but the reason we're still on Earth is because any type of bacteria on another planet would kill everyone it touched, most likely.

Actually it's most likely the opposite (fuck I'm coming off as a douche on this post). It would be next to impossible for an alien microbial organism to infect us. The reason is this: You know why we don't get Dutch Elm disease, and trees don't catch a cold? It's because the pathogens that cause those problems have evolved to be tailored to their hosts. A tree won't catch a cold because the cold viruses have adapted themselves to make their home in our warm, comfy bodies, and not in wood grain. There are sicknesses that dogs get that we don't and a dog is much closer to the way humans operate. An alien bacteria would have pretty much zero chance of infecting a person because it hasn't evolved in any way to use us as hosts. It's never touched a single terrestrial organism, let alone humans specifically. We'd be as alien to it as it would be to us.

Any-fucking-how... The reason a Mars mission or further lunar missions haven't taken place is because NASA is making some truly bizarre decisions on what is needed to accomplish them. After spending so much on an only moderately useful space station, and keeping up the shuttles, they felt that they had to justify those costs by including them in the mission architecture. This meant that you couldn't just fly to the Moon or fly to Mars, you had to use the space station in the process somehow, so NASA could give a better excuse for it being there. This lead to a policy in which every person who had a tech concept insisted that what they were developing was absolutely necessary for a Mars mission in order to get funding, even though they most certainly weren't. The mission concept simply got too bloated by this and has stagnated as a result. Fortunately, private industry has been picking of the pieces of the manned space program at an alarming rate. In fact, the private sector has accomplished more in the last five years than NASA has in the last 30, one company intends to do a Mars mission by 2025. If private industry can accomplish the first human landing then good! Both NASA and the RSA deserve to be humiliated by their lack of clear vision and engineering common sense that these guys have.

4. Hamster-bear:
I'll admit that this I'm not that qualified to on the specifics. It just seems to me that the amount of genetic manipulation require to accomplish this would result in health problems for the animal. I'm somewhat sure that certain animals simply aren't able to be certain sizes. But I'm not a geneticist, and I've been writing long enough as I could do about three more pages on space but won't. That being said, I find no use for a hamster-sized bear, but could find a use for a bear-sized hamster. I'd have to be able to ride and mount two chain-guns on it. People would think it'd be awfully cute until I opened fire. I'd feed it artificial meat and mount it by flying to the top with my jetpack... on Mars. Yeah, that's it.

The problem with in-vitro meat is that it is going to be different than muscle tissue grown in an animal (it's the same cells, but no blood, different nutrition delivery system), it's going to be roughly on par with growing legumes or grains in terms of efficiency, and we already have the means for making wicked vegan cuisine. The guy who's behind the project, Mark Post, says he wants French chefs to design recipes to make the in-vitro stuff palatable. Seems expensive and pointless, in terms of food production.

I'm thinking, why not pump the advertising and culinary expertise into vegan food? We already have the technology to make kickass pinto burgers - why rely on bland in-vitro meat?

If I'm wrong and back to eating animal cells, albeit lab grown ones, in a year's time then I'll admit that I'm wrong, but I don't think lab grown meat is the panacea. I don't see why it would solve the problem if people can eat other alternatives today.

We have jet-packs Bobby. One guy made one that uses Peroxide as the fuel. It was on Penn and Teller: Tell a Lie! Of course it doesn't go very far, because like a space rocket, he has to carry the fuel on his back.

Not only that, it's very dangerous. You would need very special training to use it regardless. If the thing fails, it's not like a car where you can just slow down and stop on the shoulder. Nor a plane where you can use the glide-slope to find a highway or farmer's field to land in. It's straight down with several broken bones.

I don't want a jet-pack. It seems pretty frivolous..

Bob, I found it. I found your jetpack.
Enjoy.
http://www.ted.com/talks/yves_rossy_fly_with_the_jetman.html

Hahaha Bob, you rule dude. If there was oil on mars we would be there like tomorrow. They should make teacup sized giraffes like in those commercials.

This does make me think, "Where's my Starfleet?" Glen Beck on the moon would be great, but I'm sure he already has found his way to the moon and isn't telling us about the large vats of space cocaine he has. Jokes all around.

brazuca:
The meat "problem" is not a science problem, it's a capitalism problem. Also the hunger in Africa is a capitalism problem (with more deep historical implications). We the 7 billion humans already produce more food than we actually need.

The Africa problem is a "power-hungry douchenozzle that keeps food from people to cement himself as 'in charge'" problem.

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