The Big Picture: Science!

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wolf thing:

Gluzzbung:

wolf thing:

no its not, not at all. think space suit. and then think about getting to those planets. and rethink what you just said.

So you think people would be able to construct a steller space station, on an alien planet, and keep it air tight so no bacteria could get in? That's unreasonable and what do you clean the space suit with? Even if it is possible, which I highly doubt to the degree of certainty, it would be completely uneconomical because of the amount you would need to take and how frequently you would need to take it.

you do know there a space station above us right now, where people live for years at a time, in space, where there is not atmosphere at all. i think you need to stop and do a bit of thinking.

And when was the last time the ISS clocked a profit? And where is the nearest inhabitable planet? Yeah, that's what I thought. Uneconomical. Also, people only live in the ISS for about 6 months at a time, because of a multitude of factors, namely muscle deteriorating, developing irregular bodily functions such as not being able to digest food properly and stress, along with a whole host of others.

Re: Flying- Really? A jetpack is the only way you can fly? Is the ability to fly really out of your reach, even if just virtual? Are you really that daft, Bob?

Re: Cultured Meat- Why? Because it's the same reason we all keep dry-humping oil: the bigwigs of the industry are too fucking greedy to find an alternative, regardless of how beneficial it'd be to fucking humanity it'd be, and will find a way to shoot the fledgling industry down. They'll Michael Jackson-ize the Cultured Meat industry without a moment's hesitation. They just haven't yet.

Re: Space- Best idea I've heard this year. Or last year, really. Or the year before. Unless there are extraterrestrials that'd think we'd have gone too far, like in The Day the Earth Stood Still.

Madrak the Red:
I usually hate doing this, but I feel I just have to:

Bob, please don't do this. It makes me sad. As soon as I saw the title, I though 'I sure hope he doesn't ask for a goddamn jetpack'. And then he went and did it. Needless to say, it made me die a little inside. Why don't you have one? Because they're impractical and incredibly dangerous. They have short runtimes, and technology does not exist to allow them to be much longer. Once again, as is often the case with these 'why don't we have x' scenarios, perfectly plausible theory is defeated by engineering, and our actual current ability.

Number two: growing steaks. No large scale infrastructure exists to do this. People like the way things are. People don't buy GM food, they aren't going to jump on this too quickly. It is a technology in it's infancy. Give it time, you sound like a child moaning because things aren't happening quite as fast as you like.

Number three: Space travel. I agree, it's a mighty shame that space programs are getting cut all over the place. I want to go to Mars as much as the next guy. I want Star Trek to be as real as much as the next guy. But unless some fairly major overhauls in the fundamentals of physics take place, it isn't going to happen. I'm sorry (and I really am) but it just isn't. Not within your lifetime, anyway.

Also: a scientist who lies is no longer a scientist. As people have said, you do not falsify data. You seek the truth, and the reason. Doing what you propose would have the potential to discredit the entire scientific community. Which would be really, really bad. You for sure do not want people to stop listening to science.

Number four: the many different shapes and sizes of dogs is due to a long, long period of selective breeding, complete with health problems that come with it. It wasn't a process of picking out genes or whatever (which is super difficult in controlling things like size of a very complex mammal, by the way). To do it with other animals would require a similar process, one with millions of animals taking many years. And a rather brutal process at that. And then let's not forget the genetic diseases that come with any pure-breed. I do not personally know, but the genome of a dog may support the differences in phenotype that can be exhibited. Such differences may not be possible with other species (granted, this is somewhat conjecture, but it is still possible).

So please, Bob, think before you speak next time. To me, a some-what educated scientist and engineer, you sound unabashedly ignorant and demanding. Granted, there is the possibility that this was a joke, and I'm sure people will urge me to take it as such. But please, do a little reading up before you start.

It was meant as a joke, however Bob has a history of failing miserably when it comes to anything related to engineering (the guy tends to confuse science with magic) so it comes out as a dumb joke. I still remember that he thought that the 3DS screen would be able to build buttons (mechanical, as with the ones on a joystick) out of nowhere.

Bob, someone totally cloned a lump of fish meat just recently in a lab. It was supposed to be completely edible, just like normal fish.

Well guess who volunteered to eat it?

Nobody.

Also, it's pretty much a fact that culturing meat or whatever costs much more and takes much more energy than just feeding the cows with grass that's already there.

newguy77:

Deverfro:
Where is that first jetpack image from? 0:32

I'm pretty sure it's from The Rocketeer, a movie where a guy gets a jetpack and has to keep it away from Nazis.
EDIT: I'm about 99.9% sure it's from The Rocketeer, looking at the IMDb page.

OT: But cultured meat would taste like despair. Oh I hope someone gets that reference.

Better Off Ted, Amirite?

Can we not just shoot glen beck into the sun? I mean come on what's the moon done to deserve that cock nozzle

unlimitedwin:
Smaller brain = less intelligence.

I agree that at a certain point, a brain would be too small to house all of the necessary functional tools that precede intelligence. However, I get the impression that the broader implication here is that brain size is proportional to intelligence, which is very obviously false. For instance, a whale's brain is *many times larger than a human's, but humans are certainly more intelligent than whales.

Were you just trying to say that a brain of such proportions that it would fit inside a very small bear's head would be unable to house all of the parts necessary to allow the bear to survive?

EDIT: I went back and looked it up. I don't think the brains are "many times" larger, but they are significantly larger.

sanzo:

newguy77:

OT: But cultured meat would taste like despair. Oh I hope someone gets that reference.

Better Off Ted, Amirite?

Yeah buddy. Love that show. Too bad it died before its time.

Ok, so probably someone else already said this, but whenever I click "more comments" I only get to see 2. PETA actually did contribute some funding for the development of cultured meat.

I'm pretty sure the answer to the all the questions is more or less the same:

Money.

Well, we do have jet packs, to a limited degree; it's just that they're wildly impractical, as we either end up using fuel that can only carry someone on limited flights for about fifteen minutes (I'm not looking up the exact specifics right now, feel free to correct me if someone feels the urge), or we, um, set the jet pack's user on fire. And while mankind may have always felt an urge to fly, I doubt we were really hoping to imitate a meteor in the act.

We can grow meat in a vat, but right now it's the most expensive meat on earth. It's cheaper, for now, to grow it in a field or feedlot; from the "starving person in Africa"'s point of view, it's way cheaper to eat rice and beans. And it doesn't put those associated with the feedlot and slaughterhouse out of work (I'll leave it an open question whether or not that's a good thing.)

Robert Heinlein once made the argument that the benefits of the R&D involved in the space program- in regards to its re-purposing for use on Earth- far outweighed the financial costs. I don't know if that's still the case, but it seems to have become harder to justify the space program in an era of cross-the-board cuts, and it's a damn shame.

What do you feed a guinea pig the size of a bear? How do you deal with the waste? How do you deal with the body when it inevitably dies in the relatively short life-span of a guinea pig?

1. I'll level with you. It's an insurance thing. (Same with robot butlers, but for different reasons)

2. Let's compare cows to pandas, shall we? Cows are big, dumb and tasty, Pandas are big, dumb and not particularly tasty (If you squint, they both kind of look the same too!). Now, I don't have the exact numbers on hand, but I think there's several billion cows worldwide, whereas there's only about 5 or 6 pandas. You take being eaten away from cows, then what have they got? Making Milk? Any mammal can do that, even Pandas! (if we milked people, I think a lot more people would want to be farmers!)

3. Actually, there probably is oil on Mars. A lot of scientists speculate Mars used to harbour earth-like life, so unless someone else has already stolen it, there'll be oil. Of course, the energy cost of moving oil from Mars to Earth is much greater than the energy that could be provided by said oil...

4. Dogs are relatively easy to domestic and breed, bears on the other hand...

On the cultured meat thing,

wouldn't that be about equal to pig genocide?

I mean if suddenly everyone starts buying cultured meat then all the money is going to go towards the cultured meat laboratories, not to the pig farms.

Those pig farms are going to run out of money and they're going to be unable to feed all those pigs. All those pigs is going to be slaughtered asap so the owners keep enough money to just survive. In a decade or so you're going to have to go to the zoo to see pigs, because for the vast majority of people there'd be absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep pigs around. And in a world where thousands of children die every year due to starvation the amount of people who're going to feed a pig out of charity is bound to be extremely low.

The effect on other farm animals may be lower, cows still give milk and sheep still give wool. But even for them their populations are going to drop if we switch to cultured meat.

In short, switching to cultured meat (or everyone going vegan) basically means the deaths of millions of farm animals....

Vampire cat:
Science was going to feed the world, and take us to space.... But then, Green Peace...

XD Ah... fucking Green Peace. I'm sure not everything they do is fiercely ignorant and counter productive.

But a lot of it is.

Hey science! Where is my Mad Cat? I want my Mad Cat! And a orange soda too.

I tried to find it funny, I really did.

Instead the guy who got a warning for saying "inane" give us our /thread.

Staskala:
I'm a bit confused now, could someone help me out here?
This episode was an ironic jab at all the people who have no idea what they're talking about demanding "science" (as if there's some sort of homogenous group of "scientists") to do completely uneconomic, wasteful and downright unreasonable things, yes? This wasn't actually serious, yes? Because I'm not too sure anymore.

I have no idea. None.
All I know is that I got increasingly annoyed throughout the episode.
Either this is a case of an epic failure in delivering a joke or, and I donīt mean for this to be offensive, Bob is.... not the brightest Lantern in the Corps.

Interesting points. A jetpack would be nice... but personally, I'd prefer a hoverboard. (checks) Huh, apparently they do make jetpacks... but it sounds kinda expensive...

Okay, so there's cultured food now. Sounds good, I can't even look at alive crab knowing I'm going to eat it, myself... but what about the cows and pigs and chicken, then?

Going into space... well, I'm kinda with you, I'm tired of sharing this planet with a bunch of morons. Can't we just launch them into space and be done with them?

Strictly in terms of the videos I watch every week, Bob, I want you to know, this is kind of my highlight. I also want you to know I am not disappointed per say in today's episode.
I just want say I was expecting something more... profound. :(

Probably the 100th person to point it out but we've had jetpacks for a while now.
1960's jetpack vs. car
Probably most people will know about the Olympics 1984.
They also used that jetpack at the start of a Bond movie.

There now are a load of different jetpack types available - just do a Youtube search to see some in action. This water powered one looking most fun and relatively affordable.

So question isn't where is your jetpack, but rather: why don't you have enough money for your* own ^_^
*or why don't I have enough money for my own.

Father Time:

MB202:

Father Time:

Not all Jetpacks need to shoot fire, just something that can provide lift.

How's that work?

It'll shoot out something at high speed and that will provide thrust (yeah I should've said thrust and not lift, sorry about that).

Speaking of which:

Oh and they had a jetpack on Penn and Teller Tell A Lie that used hair bleach. I can't find a clip of it though.

OH, now a jetpack like THAT, where it's not spewing exhaust or whatever that stuff is directly on your behind, that would be awesome!

BgRdMchne:

You're life will be a lot better if you take off the rose colored glasses and accept that this world is shit and that science is no longer about innovation and advancement, merely profit and finding better ways to put dumb YouTube videos on a telephone.

I stopped reading when you used the wrong your.

ph0b0s123:
Point 2. Meat. Thanks Bob, have been saying this for years. Yes, I don't eat meat now, but 'meat substitutes'. But would so go back to eating meat if this was done.

And it solves two issues, not having to kill animals for meat and not having to torture as many animals for medical testing. Only the most fundamental animal rights person would still have a problem after this was invented...

Point 3. Space. So true...

Overall great episode.

You do know all the farm animals would then go extinct right? Since no one is going to pay the food bills if there is no money in it.

Actually I'll give a better example goats, goats are breed for milk but do you know what happens to all the male goats since people don't eat there meat.

THERE KILLED AND THROWN AWAY.

Title suggestion: Big Questions

Some foodologists think beef raised on corn isn't as good for you as grass fed beef. I wonder what the implications of hydroponic beef would be. It sure doesn't sound as tasty though with enough nutrients pumped into it I suppose it could turn out ok.

RT-Medic-with-shotgun:

Father Time:

BgRdMchne:
You are never going into space.
You will never own a jet pack.
Your car will never fly.
HIV will not be cured in your lifetime.
Cancer will not be cured in your lifetime.
The common cold will not be cured in your lifetime.
Don't these things bother you?

You don't know these things

Given the behavior of the average human flying cars are out; we already have people afraid of planes being hijacked the last thing we need is a car being stolen for the same purpose. Or for that matter drunken people in flying cars. Jetpacks reasonably out. Humanity as a whole is not ready for personal flight. Ideological differences with some nuts, parts of the world that are still barbarians(points outside his window at Texas). As you can see a lot of the world is not ready for personal flight; even with restricting licenses.

As for disease curing there is not much money in curing a disease. Treating is over long term has money therefore that is probably all we will get.

See the problem with this is that many researchers are employed by the government and/or Academia (Universities)and not directly by a pharmaceutical company. The government is generally doing it for non-profit, and Academia is usually doing it to boost reputation to attract more students and grants. In either case your idea about there being "no money in curing disease" breaks down. The only way such a theory would be true is if there was some elaborate conspiracy theory where pharmaceutical companies were in control and halting research. That just makes far to many assumptions to be a credible theory.

I won't address the jetpacks/flying cars because I agree. People shouldn't even be allowed to drive vehicles the way they can now.

kingmob:
I'm actually a 'space guy' and in my daily work the biggest problem is that not all those in 'team science' are in it for this reason :\ Seriously, a surprising number of people is in it for the paycheck and the tax benefits (I train astronauts).
Depressing? I know...

But I will consider your input for the next discussion ;)

My GOD You have the best job ever...

TheEnglishman:

I stopped reading when you used the wrong your.

Thank you. It's been stealth edited now.

unlimitedwin:
Fusion technology (same reaction that powers the Sun (and Ironman for that matter...)) is the current main hope for achieving this efficiency, but we are still MANY years away from seeing fusion reactors successfully scaled down to manageable sizes.

There are no man made fusion reactors. Fusion is the process of new element been formed by compressing another until the atomic structure of two atoms are combined into one and the excess is fired out as radiation. Gold for example is the result of iron that has undergone fusion. The end result however is very similer to nucular power, which is based upon the use of elements that have undergone an incomplete fusion and are still expelling their excess atomic contents.

Wow, claim there's oil on Mars and then bring your own.... !
That is pure brilliance, and since people who control the countless trillions that are wasted on shit like war are dumb as bricks it indeed should work just fine :D

Made me laugh, Bob, good job! :D

Madrak the Red:
I usually hate doing this, but I feel I just have to:

Bob, please don't do this. It makes me sad. As soon as I saw the title, I though 'I sure hope he doesn't ask for a goddamn jetpack'. And then he went and did it. Needless to say, it made me die a little inside. Why don't you have one? Because they're impractical and incredibly dangerous. They have short runtimes, and technology does not exist to allow them to be much longer. Once again, as is often the case with these 'why don't we have x' scenarios, perfectly plausible theory is defeated by engineering, and our actual current ability.

Number two: growing steaks. No large scale infrastructure exists to do this. People like the way things are. People don't buy GM food, they aren't going to jump on this too quickly. It is a technology in it's infancy. Give it time, you sound like a child moaning because things aren't happening quite as fast as you like.

Number three: Space travel. I agree, it's a mighty shame that space programs are getting cut all over the place. I want to go to Mars as much as the next guy. I want Star Trek to be as real as much as the next guy. But unless some fairly major overhauls in the fundamentals of physics take place, it isn't going to happen. I'm sorry (and I really am) but it just isn't. Not within your lifetime, anyway.

Also: a scientist who lies is no longer a scientist. As people have said, you do not falsify data. You seek the truth, and the reason. Doing what you propose would have the potential to discredit the entire scientific community. Which would be really, really bad. You for sure do not want people to stop listening to science.

Number four: the many different shapes and sizes of dogs is due to a long, long period of selective breeding, complete with health problems that come with it. It wasn't a process of picking out genes or whatever (which is super difficult in controlling things like size of a very complex mammal, by the way). To do it with other animals would require a similar process, one with millions of animals taking many years. And a rather brutal process at that. And then let's not forget the genetic diseases that come with any pure-breed. I do not personally know, but the genome of a dog may support the differences in phenotype that can be exhibited. Such differences may not be possible with other species (granted, this is somewhat conjecture, but it is still possible).

So please, Bob, think before you speak next time. To me, a some-what educated scientist and engineer, you sound unabashedly ignorant and demanding. Granted, there is the possibility that this was a joke, and I'm sure people will urge me to take it as such. But please, do a little reading up before you start.

Just exactly this. Usually I'm a big fan of bob, but this was awfull.

Kumagawa Misogi:

ph0b0s123:
Point 2. Meat. Thanks Bob, have been saying this for years. Yes, I don't eat meat now, but 'meat substitutes'. But would so go back to eating meat if this was done.

And it solves two issues, not having to kill animals for meat and not having to torture as many animals for medical testing. Only the most fundamental animal rights person would still have a problem after this was invented...

Point 3. Space. So true...

Overall great episode.

You do know all the farm animals would then go extinct right? Since no one is going to pay the food bills if there is no money in it.

Yep....Though I don't agree with 'extinct'. Cows will never go extinct as there is whole religion that would never let that happen. You bet there would be a lot less of them about. People advocating animal rights are perfectly aware of this by product and are quite happy about it. Nice try...

This was a joke episode. Right? RIGHT?
The reason why we don't cultivate meat is the same reason why we don't get genetically manipulated food. It's people who don't want to eat it. I don't mean you and me or anyone who is starving but nearly anyone else.

Giant Mutant Gerbil Steed! That would be awesome. Though I am curious what one could do with a hamster-sized Bear. Hey if we can make animals smaller our bigger, what about weird crossovers? Where's my badgerhawk? (Take that with a bit of a grain of salt if you will, I was only joking around with the crossovers part.)

Sure someone has already done this, but can't be arsed reading the whole thread;

1) Jetpacks don't exist because we don't have a capable energy source. Once we get a nano-sized energy source, preferably a battery like device, with an as high is not higher output than the biggest batteries of today, you'll get your jetpack.

2) Cultured meat; You do realize that's going to cost more than the beef of a bull that's had thai massages every ten seconds for it's entire life. Yeah, that shit don't come cheap. Also, it's harder to create beef with all the required nutrients, than it is to create genetically enhanced crops with a lot more variation in vitamins.

3) Space; This is a HUGE topic as to why we can't go further than we can right now. And I can only suggest the one thing that would actually void most of this episode: Learn some science.

Now, don't get me wrong I sometimes like ol' Bob here, so long as he stays away from game related topics, and I realize this was made as a bit of a laugh. But these kinds of fancy flights of the mind are as much a part of undermining actual science, due to it not looking at the bigger picture and demanding the stuff we actually CAN do, as those braindead God fellatio experts who want to abolish it altogether.

With compliments of your friendly neighbourhood scientist.

1)Where have you been the past 10 years, jetpacks are a thing. They generally clock in at $20,000, though they don't last very long
2)I've had some of this lab-meat stuff, tastes like shit and is about as nutritious as cardboard.
3)What can I say about space travel other than: In due time. This stuff costs money. Oh, and alien life is probably less "green space babe" and more "shadow of the colossus meets Doom."
4) Tiny bears, why hasn't anybody else thought of this?

Anyway that's just my thoughts.

I'm with you on basically all of that. The problem is that people with real drive and ambition to change the world are forced into corporate niches and never let out of boxes defined by profit margins.

Get rid of the all-consuming pursuit of money, which technically only has the value we decide it has anyway so it's actually worthless, and we solve that problem. Until then all the pure awesomeness that science is capable of will be sidelined, marginalised and just out-right ignored.

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