Jimquisition: Sony, Nintendo, EA and SOPA

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that's it, the internet's over

corneth:
that's it, the internet's over

The true meaning of the year 2012 prophecy.

Oh yay.
This again.
Haven't we gone through this already?

You mean there's another one to add to the pile?
Alright, put it on.

Yeah, as someone already affected by corporate censorship (at least two Videos of the posted ones where "not avaiable in your contry" kind of Videos), this bill is even more harsh, then what I and other Germans are facing (thank you GEMA for your everlasting fight for your Highwaymen way of making money) by now.

The situation here is, that round about 1/6 of Toutube videos (the number is just vage) are unviewable for German Viewers (by youtube because of the GEMA).

They do the best to censor it, because the didn't get their licence money so far, and this even affects game reviews where someone cut a piece of music in it, or old TV series Episodes where in the background an 80's classic is playing.

I know that Youtube censors even sometimes for US citisens / in General, but fucking hell, if that bill passes, some sites would have to rent their servers in Canada (if that helps) to avoid beeing bugged by the companys lawyers.

Please dear U.S. Americans, please don't let it pass, or a good chunk of the internet will become digital wasteland

Guys, it's OVER. Three corporations with tons and tons of money behind them support the bill. Our government loves corporations. Download as many gameplay videos as you can, maybe get some reviews off of there too, and then we'll try to cope. We can't win. We've been losing since citizens united. It's over. The reviews and previews and FAQ and cheat sections of the internet are done. And now that they'll probably have internet control, they'll also probably block indie publishers and developers websties too, along with all freeware since that could also be competition. We can't stop them. I have learned this. Just enjoy the internet while it still lives. Our freedom of speech? That's done for. Oh, and prepare for something like norsefire to take over the US government, because that's probably going to happen.

Don't worry too much though, another kind of net will take the internet's place. Maybe.

This is ridiculous. So ridiculous I think it will be highly unlikely this will ever be passed. I hope I don't eat those words...

Also this may be proof that Hideo Kojima is a wizard/prophet.

Well, i hope this doesn't pass. Cause if it will...damn. Can't really imagine what a shitstorm will happen.

CustomMagnum:

Sir Shockwave:
Oh Jim, just do what I do for the Blog - use the written and recorded one for next week X3

Quick EDIT - Wow. Seems America's having it bad right now. First there's the Protect IP act, now this...unless the two are one and the same.

Yeah, don't worry. They're the same bill. So this country's only trying to kill itself once, not twice.

Oh goody. So joining petitions against the PIPA (or whatever it would be) and spreading the word on it was helping- I was worried that I'd have to spread the word all over again.

Not that I'd mind helping out a good cause- though I'd be depressed if there were two of these fucking bills in the works.

Prof. Monkeypox:

CustomMagnum:

Sir Shockwave:
Oh Jim, just do what I do for the Blog - use the written and recorded one for next week X3

Quick EDIT - Wow. Seems America's having it bad right now. First there's the Protect IP act, now this...unless the two are one and the same.

Yeah, don't worry. They're the same bill. So this country's only trying to kill itself once, not twice.

Oh goody. So joining petitions against the PIPA (or whatever it would be) and spreading the word on it was helping- I was worried that I'd have to spread the word all over again.

Not that I'd mind helping out a good cause- though I'd be depressed if there were two of these fucking bills in the works.

They're different bills. Protect IP is Senate Bill S.968, Stop Online Piracy Act is House Resolution H.R.3261.

Wtf when did america become china ?

jacobythehedgehog:
Jim, you sounded like you were about to cry.... :'(. I for one would hate to see this bill pass. I like talking about gaming, and making gaming videos even more so then I like talking about video games. But this goes with everything. Watching clips of a Family Guy Episode like this listed below

this could be against the law.... ;'( so can this

I mean don't take this away. Ugg. wow this is such a touchy topic.

Here are another few vids that would be illegal under these laws







Sorry about the vidspam but it's the only way I could illustrate how broad these laws reach. There are heaps more examples but I can't list them all here without making my post about 20 pages long. And that's only the vids that directly use copy'righted' content

Ukomba:

Prof. Monkeypox:

CustomMagnum:

Yeah, don't worry. They're the same bill. So this country's only trying to kill itself once, not twice.

Oh goody. So joining petitions against the PIPA (or whatever it would be) and spreading the word on it was helping- I was worried that I'd have to spread the word all over again.

Not that I'd mind helping out a good cause- though I'd be depressed if there were two of these fucking bills in the works.

They're different bills. Protect IP is Senate Bill S.968, Stop Online Piracy Act is House Resolution H.R.3261.

Ah crap...
To melodramatic bitching, away!

Thanks for correcting me.

Who would have thought America would do something massively stupid and anti-freedom, before David Cameron?!

If it goes through guess were gonna see a 7000% increase in .ca domains.

Oh shit. The fighting game community's ability to stream tournaments is in jeopardy once again, I see.

Prof. Monkeypox:

Ukomba:

Prof. Monkeypox:

Oh goody. So joining petitions against the PIPA (or whatever it would be) and spreading the word on it was helping- I was worried that I'd have to spread the word all over again.

Not that I'd mind helping out a good cause- though I'd be depressed if there were two of these fucking bills in the works.

They're different bills. Protect IP is Senate Bill S.968, Stop Online Piracy Act is House Resolution H.R.3261.

Ah crap...
To melodramatic bitching, away!

Thanks for correcting me.

But they do the exact same thing and need to be combined together and voted on by both houses of congress again. So they're basically the same bill.

Sir Shockwave:
Oh Jim, just do what I do for the Blog - use the written and recorded one for next week X3

Quick EDIT - Wow. Seems America's having it bad right now. First there's the Protect IP act, now this...unless the two are one and the same.

There the same but not the same

(this is probably more then you ever wanted to know about the american government system)
US legalization is funny because our upper house has power instead of just a final check like in outer bicameral systems

Generically what happens for bills both sections of congress introduce basically the same bill if both sides pass it the minor differences are hashed out and its put up for a token vote again before moving on to the executive branch(so this is just the outer half of the Protect IP/COICA bills).

Wait did this actually pass into law?

This is just the latest name of the same old shit, if my man Ron Wyden (D-OR) pulls through like last time it's not going anywhere.

I don't understand why the American government would even consider letting this pants-on-head retarded bill pass. At the same time, where is the legislation that protects OUR privacy? Just today I had the Shazam app ask me 5 times back to back for access to my personal information. Pissed me off so much I uninstalled it right there.

Not to mention that the instant a law like this passes every server farm and web based business that could be affected will instantly move offshore to avoid the law and access to foreign websites from within the US will be severely restricted by ISPs fearing lawsuits. America's economy will take a huge hit from this if it passes and it will affect everyone else. I encourage any American citizens on this board to write your congress-person on this issue.

Sites like Youtube have been pulling this shit for years now. My first account got banned because I would post videogame trailers and snippets from shows. I know one guy who posted combo tutorials for a Naruto game that wasn't even out yet in America and his account was banned. It's funny when staff members on this site, which I consider to be a legitimate site for gaming news link videos that end up banned on youtube.

America: You may not get universal healthcare, a stable job, access to higher education, or a fair legal system, but you can be damn sure the rights of big businesses will be upheld, protected, and expanded upon if capable.

Really great episode, not nearly enough people know about this bill and it's so importand getting the word out. Nice job, Jim!

Sir Shockwave:
Oh Jim, just do what I do for the Blog - use the written and recorded one for next week X3

Quick EDIT - Wow. Seems America's having it bad right now. First there's the Protect IP act, now this...unless the two are one and the same.

house and Senate versions of the same deal.

America has it bad for many reasons, but people like Jim are utterly and completely blowing this bill out of proportion. I still oppose it, but I am sick to death of RUN! RUN AWAY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Redd the Sock:
Normally this is where I sarcasticly say to not hold back and tell us what you really think, but on this issue, I don't think we can afford to be polite.

It's nice to know someone else caught MGS2's cautionary tale instead of just bitching about Raiden, and while I felt government coverups were silly, ccorporate coverups would be all too common. Listening to podcasts from people who write for anime magizines, I've heard about how companies will withold images, screenshots, or even review copies in retaliation for bad reviews, and that's more or less how this will all work out: praise everything we do or we'll bring down the heavy hand of misinterputated copyright law down on you. Fair use? What's "fair use"?

I'm against piracy, but copyright law isn't about making sure Yahtxee gives you a nickel for using your boxart in a review.

I actually just recently finished MGS2 (got the HD remake of 2,3, and Peace Walker) and I found it oddly prophetic that the entire overarching story was about the Patriots, based in America, wanting to essentially censor all information released to the world. Considering the game was originally released in 2001, it struck me as -

Ubermetalhed:

Also this may be proof that Hideo Kojima is a wizard/prophet.

This.

I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said. There are so many ways that this would screw over everybody involved - the customers, the retailers, the developers, and the companies supporting this crap - that I can't understand why anyone would want to pass it (aside from crusty grumpy old people who don't understand modern technology . . . oh wait, that's the entire Senate . . .)

daxterx2005:
So...we're in a recession, unemployment is at an all time high and they think its a good idea to pass a bill that will put MORE people out of jobs?
MURKA WTF?

[excessive sarcasm]
No, you silly person! The big rich companies will provide all the jobs for you! all you need to do is keep giving them all your money and surely they will give you your job! :D And if you don't get one, well, you obviously don't deserve it for being poor in the first place!
[/Excessive sarcasm]

Ok, sillyness aside, I don't get it either. It's stupid. And that's probably why they're doing it.

Large corporations have WAY too much freakin power. And it's like Jim (and many others) have said: if these companies believe in a free, capitalist market, then they need to actually compete with other companies/services. A monopoly IS. NOT. CAPITALIST. It's a dictatorship. It goes against the entire point of a free market.

Terrible news as usual. I have a site where I record and spread videos of myself playing games and posting videos of me doing (trying to at least) cool stuff in games.

Sometimes it's just montages other times it's stuff like frag vids and stunts.

I have dozens of e-mails off people (no idea how frank they are, but never-the-less) who have written in telling me that it was after watching one of my videos that they decided to buy a specific game.

Now I bet I am far from the only one that does this sort of thing and who's had similar reactions.
If a bill like this would be passed, I would argue that some Games companies would loose revenue.

I know I have been on the other side of the fence too. Watched some videos of a game which I thought nothing much of beforehand and then having the video convince me in buying the game.

As far as I can tell this law would allow people in charge to close such sites... and in my view this is a terrible thing.

The thing is - I have no clue what to do about stopping something like this. I don't live in the States for one.
You could argue that even if this law were to be passed only in the States it's effects would actually be felt worldwide because of how many companies (gaming and streaming) are based there, so I am still very worried.

I've been telling everyone I know.

Fuck these fascist assholes.

Er, to all those saying "this has a chance of passing"....no, it doesn't.

Wikipedia:
The Stop Online Piracy Act was introduced by Representative Lamar Smith [R-TX] and was initially co-sponsored by Howard Berman [D-CA], Marsha Blackburn [R-TN], Mary Bono Mack [R-CA], Steve Chabot [R-OH], John Conyers [D-MI], Ted Deutch [D-FL], Elton Gallegly [R-CA], Bob Goodlatte [R-VA], Timothy Griffin [R-AR], Dennis A. Ross [R-FL], Adam Schiff [D-CA] and Lee Terry [R-NE]. As of November 15, 2011, there were 24 sponsors.

24 sponsors between both houses of Congress means that less than 10% of our Congressional representatives have actually given their support to the bill. That is not enough to pass it in either the House or Senate, much less enough to override the president's guaranteed veto.

This bill has been tried at least twice before and it died a horrible death both times. Why exactly are people panicking about the third time when there is no evidence that it has enough support to pass?

Mind, I don't support the bill. I think it and all who support it should be thrown into a bonfire as sacrifices to your choice of gaming deity (just for kicks, I'll go with Yu Yevon for my vote). With that said, the bill is lacking in nearly enough support to pass, and is opposed by numerous large corporations and websites:

Wikipedia:
Opponents of the bill include Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, AOL, LinkedIn, eBay, Mozilla Corporation, and Wikimedia Foundation, the Brookings Institution and human rights organizations such as Reporters Without Borders, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU and Human Rights Watch.

I wish EA, Nintendo, and Sony the best of luck in defeating a coalition of internet corporations and human rights groups. Because it's not only not going to happen, but the backlash will be so severe once it's made public that they will be left REELING from the damages once the free market continues to take bigger and bigger chunks away from their bases.

The problem I see with this is that it is something they're going to make repeated attempts at - which means the nanosecond we stop paying attention - it will pass. So we have to keep hawk-eyed about this issue and make sure we don't relax by thinking "oh it will never pass" - that's what they'd want us to think and then boom, you read about it slipping through.

Jeff Loper:
Lets all sign this!

http://stopcensorship.org/

I was talking about this earlier today with my roommates. I called my senators, they sat around and got high while complaining there was nothing they could do.

Moral of the story, call your senators (if you are in the US). They WANT to represent the majority of their constituents, that way they have a job for another few years.

Zachary Amaranth:

Sir Shockwave:
Oh Jim, just do what I do for the Blog - use the written and recorded one for next week X3

Quick EDIT - Wow. Seems America's having it bad right now. First there's the Protect IP act, now this...unless the two are one and the same.

house and Senate versions of the same deal.

America has it bad for many reasons, but people like Jim are utterly and completely blowing this bill out of proportion. I still oppose it, but I am sick to death of RUN! RUN AWAY! THE SKY IS FALLING!

I think its more along the lines that Jim is bringing to people's attention the idea that these things are being proposed, not that they have a chance (at the moment) of being passed.
Radical change does start this way, with major opposition. But awareness of the public is a smart thing and I applaud Jim for bringing it to light, because most people don't know about shit like this. The U.S. Government is convoluted and for a large part such a bureaucratic mess that the average citizen would give up or get overwhelmed if they tried to sift through the amount of legislation being proposed on a monthly basis. Whether or not it passes at the moment doesn't matter, its that there are people in the Government who think this shit is a good idea and it is smart to single those folk out and deny them re-election when the time comes, otherwise there is the possibility of them getting more support later on and perhaps passing the bill or one similar to it in the future.
The biggest reason the U.S. gov't is in a runaway train status (IMO) is that people have been lazy and way too trusting of those they vote for. If anyone lives in this country, it would behoove them not only to vote smart, but after voting keep up with the bastards to make sure they do the job you voted them in for.
I have no doubt it will not pass in current form, but nevertheless I watch out for bills like this so I can keep abreast of the undercurrents in politics. Living near the water has shown me that while the surface may seem stable, the fucking riptide can kill you.

Systematic Removal of Personal Freedoms!

YAAAAAYYY!

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Governments and Corporations all around the world now actively forcing their own moral/economic/selfish worldviews onto You, the innocent consumer/citizen!

I'm reminded of a quote from Better Off Ted (That youtube doesn't have a clip of.)

"The company fears only governments more powerful than itself and, at this point, there's only 3 of them left."

On a personal note; to all the corporations that think this will benefit them in any meaningful way, i have this to say:

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Hey guys, does anyone know what WWW stands for at the beginning of most web addresses? I think it stands for WORLD WIDE WEB, and not "property of the american government". How do they have any say in the matter anyway?

Wow, it really says something about the world when the first thing I thought after hearing of this is "same crap, different day".

Anyhow, this has been buzzing through the forums for a few days, but it's our first feature on it.

I guess I should thank god for Jim then.

amaranth_dru:

I think its more along the lines that Jim is bringing to people's attention the idea that these things are being proposed, not that they have a chance (at the moment) of being passed.

He should try actually doing that, then.

This is when Jimquisition is at its best imo. Drop the smug persona, tell us about a problem, and most importantly why it's a problem. Then, tell us how to help out.

As for the bill, I doubt it will pass. Even if it does, Google, Facebook, and the like will put it down real quick. It's great knowing that "Yes, it's a law. However, it really shouldn't be." is a perfectly valid defense when it's worded better.

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