Jimquisition: Sony, Nintendo, EA and SOPA

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Really, Really, REALLY hoping something like this doesn't pass in Australia (Though I have no idea if this bill affects Australia or not... still sucks for the Americans), considering how retarded our government system is it would probably get passed the second it was introduced.

why on earth are companies like EA, Sony and Nintendo surporting this?

well in the case of EA (in case anyone doesnt know i hate EA atm which is why im targetting them in this post) we all know about the spyware part of Origins, but what some of you dont know is that as soon as you go on to EA's websites they cna veiw you computer's files, and its leagal for them as its in their terms for using the website (which you must go on their website to find).
Now imagine this bill is passed (somehow) assuming you're in america (thankfully im not)and gaming websites are unavaliable, so no reviews. EA could host these reviews on their sites but only host the good ones, they control what is said about their games, to increase sales, and can still make money off selling your personal info to other companies

surprisingly, I think I am the first to leave this here.

Seriously. Thank you Jim. Please keep doing this and saying what they do not want to hear.

One question, to those who say "why are you worried,It will never get enforced. Why would you willingly take that chance that it might if you didnt have to?

I don't live in the USA so I don't give a fuck.

Though not American there are things I can do. I will make a concious effort to avoid buying products from companies that supported that bill. I will try to inform friends and family of said companies desires to remove even more rights from law abiding honest consumers. I will actively encourage independents and cooperatively run publishers by purchasing their products.

That's all I can do, it probably drop in the ocean but from small acorns mighty oak grow.

However to do anything you need to make people care and for people to care you need to communicate to them so I applaud Mr Sterling for contributing to raising awareness. Now if only we could get a Face book campaign going, some virals on youtube a few choice tweets you know truly wield the power that these corporations wish to control.

Unfortunately easier said than done, most consumers (myself included) buy the hype, rather put up with then do without and prefer to be ignorant of the facts. The truth that free service are paid for by the personal data, or there high-street clothes manufactured by 3rd world children.

well that's my opinion voiced.

Oh and Jim I have enjoyed all of your videos on the escapist and I thank your gods for Jim Sterling

This is an honest question so please don't jump down my neck for being ignorant about the subject, but if this goes through would boycotting help?

If they're going to be dicks, we can be dicks as well.

Ishigami:
I don't live in the USA so I don't give a fuck.

If it happens in America it WILL effect you. Like it or not, America is the biggest first-world nation on the planet and if they do something then other countries are going to follow their example.

Even if they don't, you're still not going to be able to have anything to do with copyrighted materials because a very large portion of the sites that require various types of media to run (Facebook, Flickr, ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, Machinema, Youtube, RoosterTeeth, Veoh, Newgrounds, DeviantART etc.) are going to vanish off of the web and cost people their jobs which will also have a knock-on effect on the economy, raising taxes and making products in your country all the more expensive.

This will also mess with domain names that share a similar syntax to any blocked website are also going to be shut down which will completely mess with internet security, search engine databases and, to top it off, it won't even put a dent in internet piracy in the slightest, so the act is completely pointless other than to make companies have even more control over your freedoms than they already have.

Dear Jim.

I thank you for your existence, keep up the good work.

Best regards.
A relatively sane person of the planet earth.

PS. The people at Sony, Nintendo, EA and all the other companies that supports SOPA can go suck a bag of dicks.

k-ossuburb:
This is an honest question so please don't jump down my neck for being ignorant about the subject, but if this goes through would boycotting help?

If they're going to be dicks, we can be dicks as well.

Ishigami:
I don't live in the USA so I don't give a fuck.

If it happens in America it WILL effect you. Like it or not, America is the biggest first-world nation on the planet and if they do something then other countries are going to follow their example.

interesting concept here. in europe we have quite a few internet restrictions but these actually tend to take power away from coporations to keep people safe. yet this bill takes power away from people to keep coporations safe (somehow). would be interesting to see if europe follows

I have actually done a bit of research into this bill for a Constitutional Law paper. It was about Constitutional supervision by judges, which the Netherlands might implement. I wanted to use it as an example of a law that has a nice idea behind it, but having dangerous consequences. The great idea being IP, but possible results being the ones Jim pointed out: Destructiod, the Escapist or any other gaming website would be screwed.

I didn't use it as an example, because it wasn't as much an example of a law with unforseen consequences, it was a piece of shitty legislation.

Yeah, the NC did a good post on this. With links to a site that helps you get in contact with your representatives and senators.

Fact is, the interent has forever totally changed the way digital media is consumed. Its progress. Many companies have made used of legal gray areas or flat-out acted in a way that if their victims had enough money to, would see them sued out of existance.

The big imabalance we also need to look at though is their dubious use of contract law. Companies now have the right to change a contract at any time and for any reason and there is nothing you can do about it. Take EULAs for an example we ALL deal with, EA and Sony basically took away your rights as a comsumer to laucnh legal action against them yet you have NO power to try and alter the therms with which you are delt yourself. They just did it because they could and because they are a gaint corporation with a big legal department and you are likely a poor student/ struggling perant/ indebted young professional and lack the funds to buy a fancy suit, nevermind launch and fund a $100,000+ legal battle.

"You can sue anyone, at any time, for any reason - as long as you've got the money." ~Andy Chalk

Publishers and big games companies also dictate and alter the terms of contract with their studios and staff at a whim. They act in a way that violates civil laws but do it to firms they know they can simply out-pace and make them go bankrupt if they try and take them to court.

Activision and EA have been flat-out STEALING peoples Intelectual property for YEARS. Not just acting like dicks. Stealing.

Don't just take my word for it look; Experienced-Points-The-Litigation-Hammer

This topic got me finally registered, yay!

I'm from Finland so I can't really contact the people making decisions over there, but what I did do was look up contact forms for Nintendo, Sony and EA (hardest one, I managed to contact them in way of a question about Sims3). These forms were via support pages and I used the appropriate US sites.

I then sent them each a short message stating that because of their actions concerning the SOPA bill I will no longer buy any of their products. I got extra satisfaction from Sony, because I might actually have bought a new Sony TV and a PS3 next year. Not anymore!

Throwing that there in case any other non-americans want to give consumer activism a try :)

While I will conside that this law is bad for the internet, I personly suspect that the situation is not a bad as it seems, the vague wording of the law makes it open to legal appeals that would probadly scupper the law entirely or make it useless.

The internet has reached the backlash moment in any medium when critics and detractors attempt to restrict or regulate it (think of the film and comic codes). It was inevitable that the internet would meet attempts at draconian enforcement at some point. This hasn't been the first (though one of the more restrictive) and it certainly won't be the last.

Wow, USA is in trouble. However, correct me if I'm wrong, this bill doesn't sit well with US law at all.
Sure, ban pirate and hacker sites. But first go to court, prove that they ARE actually indeed breaking law of your country and when court decides in your favor - then they will be banned.

AsurasFinest:

But its not a panic scenario. This is literally what will happen. There's no fabrication, no lies, nothing

I love how you just completely undercut the guy I replied to and basically half the thread with that.

However, yes it is a panic scenario. No, it is not literally what will happen. I suggest you look up the word "literal." People are using scare tactics to stir up a frenzy.

So, say the bill passes and it gets sorted in the States...

Surely everyone just hosts their sites abroad? I would be AMAZED if it passed but even if it did aren't there numerous, simple workarounds? The EU isn't likely to play along, we have some lobbying around here but most countries will wipe their arse with such a bill...

That was actually an impressive speech for an (as far as I know) untrained person. Speaking five minutes in a passinate tone without losing your train of thought.

Kudos for that

Sadly I am not an US-Citizen so all I could do to stop that bill would be flicking paper balls across the Atlantic.

Why is the La Li Lu Le Lo getting so strong now :(?

Jim Sterling:
Sony, Nintendo, EA and SOPA

The Stop Online Piracy Act may sound innocuous, but it's a nasty little proposition that gives corporations uncontested rights to control what you enjoy on the Internet. Naturally, being a horrible thing, EA can't wait to climb aboard, along with a number of other publishers. The Internet shouldn't be censored by cowardly companies who are afraid of it, and The Jimquisition urges you take note of what these organizations want to do.

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Thank you for bringing this to the attention of myself and many of the gaming community. I've posted a message on my website about it as well, and while it's not much, hopefully, we'll be able to do something about this idiocy.

Ishigami:
I don't live in the USA so I don't give a fuck.

Do you use Youtube? Facebook? Google? Deviantart? TvTropes? 4chan? Wikipedia? This very site? If the answer to any of those is yes, (and it is in at least one case,) you SHOULD give a fuck, because they are all based in the USA, they all have copyrighted material, and they all will be shut down if this bill passes. Whether you live in the USA or not, this WILL effect you.

Hugga_Bear:
So, say the bill passes and it gets sorted in the States...

Surely everyone just hosts their sites abroad? I would be AMAZED if it passed but even if it did aren't there numerous, simple workarounds? The EU isn't likely to play along, we have some lobbying around here but most countries will wipe their arse with such a bill...

Moving abroad wouldn't help much if "SOPA" or "Protect IP" is passed in congress. One of the provisions of the bills is that overseas websites can be blocked entirely from the USA if they violate copyright, so they can't reach American audiences one way or the other. I don't think companies like Google could afford to move abroad if they still can't get users in America. It's just too big a percentage of their traffic.

If any of these bullshit corporate copyright laws get passed, It will effect everyone everywhere, and not for the better. Anyone who supports free speech and free information on the web, anyone who doesn't want to see the entire internet censored needs to oppose these bills.

I can't belive the goverment would vote something like this into law during an election year. Esspecially democrats who tend to rely more heavly on the youth vote. This issue seems like it'd turn that vote against them, unless i'm miss reading my current political land scape, which is possible. I don't follow it very closesly.. *shrug*

jacobythehedgehog:
this could be against the law.... ;'( so can this

I mean don't take this away. Ugg. wow this is such a touchy topic.

NOOOOOOOOOO! TOBY! I'm off to sign the petition as many times as I can.

Insanity and stupidity of the highest order. One of the greatest things about the internet is how it raises none-cynical (ie none company-spread) buzz for a product that might have otherwise been overlooked. Cheers Jim, I live in the UK so didn't know a lot about this, and am now researching it so I can spread the word.

Also, jeez; just how much to big gaming companies want to lock themselves away in a glass tower away from their audience and ignore everything they want?

It's not even "just could", it WILL shut down sites like The Escapist. The Escapist's heads could all go to jail for 5 years for even so much as mentioning the name "Gears of War". If someone even so much as hums Epona's Song from Ocarina of Time on a web site, THEY COULD GO TO PRISON FOR FIVE YEARS

(That's my understanding of this anyway)

I'm not an American, but my whole life is on the internet. Everything on the internet: Newgrounds, YouTube, Wikipedia, The Escapist, ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, GameSpot, whatever the hell you actually visit will shut down in fear of persecution. I like Skype too, but if that's all that's going to be left after this thing goes through...

Wow....why would any sane goverment pass such a load of bs?
I'm hoping this won't get passed like many others here. I live in England and other than writing a status on it on Facebook, what can I do?

It is funny how capitalism uses capitalism to destroy capitalism. I am sure big companies will be crying to have this removed when they realize it hurts their sales... Or just move to Europe in which this doesn't apply. They can only sensor American sites and content owned by companies that are registered inside USA. Escapist move your servers to Finland, we have good rules and we pay for Internet connection's speed instead of it's bandwitch. Also we have punch of rules that could protect you.

Thank whatever deity destined me to live in the freedom of Finland and Europe. Which ironically is quite free at the end of the day. America, Land of the free, land of the brave... Yeah what a joke. Be brave enough to be free and you get your ass shipped to jail marked with a iron branding of "A very, very bad boy or a girl (To be politically correct)" And I mean the whole quote.

Wow. Well we all knew EA were evil but this evil? Oh well, Battlefield 3 is still fun. Very little chance of it passing really but if it does I mean really wtf. Surely if just everyone ignored it, they cant imprison everyone? And realistically that would do fuck all in other countries, I'm doubtful the FBI can come and arrest a german bloke for a live-stream for example, at least not without causing very angry germans.

Also: America, land of the stupid, home of the whopper.

[Note: Aware not all americans are stupid, but you guys do have some really shining examples of it]

Spaceparanoid42:

Ishigami:
I don't live in the USA so I don't give a fuck.

Moving abroad wouldn't help much if "SOPA" or "Protect IP" is passed in congress. One of the provisions of the bills is that overseas websites can be blocked entirely from the USA if they violate copyright, so they can't reach American audiences one way or the other. I don't think companies like Google could afford to move abroad if they still can't get users in America. It's just too big a percentage of their traffic.

If any of these bullshit corporate copyright laws get passed, It will effect everyone everywhere, and not for the better. Anyone who supports free speech and free information on the web, anyone who doesn't want to see the entire internet censored needs to oppose these bills.

Sounds like something the chinese would pass.

Ah America, land of the free.

I can't re-post this video because of all the expletives.

Sir Shockwave:

CustomMagnum:
Yeah, don't worry. They're the same bill. So this country's only trying to kill itself once, not twice.

Ah, I see. Still, I think this bill has a SLIM chance of passing. As Extra Credits put it, there's going to be some REAL Superheavy Lawyers tearing it a new one. Though writing to your Senator will help.

I know I would, if I was American -_-

These things always get better, true - but only if we don't take it for granted that they will.

Don't worry guys. If the entirety of human history is any indication, the world will keep getting steadily better. This bill will be torn to shreds, and eventually we'll end third world hunger. It'll take time but we'll manage it all.

SinisterGehe:
It is funny how capitalism uses capitalism to destroy capitalism. I am sure big companies will be crying to have this removed when they realize it hurts their sales... Or just move to Europe in which this doesn't apply. They can only sensor American sites and content owned by companies that are registered inside USA. Escapist move your servers to Finland, we have good rules and we pay for Internet connection's speed instead of it's bandwitch. Also we have punch of rules that could protect you.

Thank whatever deity destined me to live in the freedom of Finland and Europe. Which ironically is quite free at the end of the day. America, Land of the free, land of the brave... Yeah what a joke. Be brave enough to be free and you get your ass shipped to jail marked with a iron branding of "A very, very bad boy or a girl (To be politically correct)" And I mean the whole quote.

Quoting this because I love it.

Didn't Mussolini say that fascism is the merging of government and corporate power? and he'd know, too, what with being a fascist dictator and everything.

And yet some of the more vocal conservatives think that things like national healthcare are fascist, but companies attempting to create new legislation in order to unfairly protect themselves from the downsides of a system that they constantly espouse and try to promote?

SkarKrow:
Sounds like something the chinese would pass.

Tell me about it. I could see this kind of censorship law being made in China or North Korea or something, but to have it being seriously considered in the USA is really appalling. Weren't we supposed to represent freedom and liberty? Why the hell are we about to pass something that goes so fundamentally against what we supposedly stand for? America has a lot of issues right now, but this... this is just disgusting.

The way Jimbo described it makes it sound absurd. Is it really correct?

CustomMagnum:

garjian:
How would this effect sites based elsewhere?

...couldnt you just move your business... somehow... if this only effects america?

Nope. The law also gives those corporations the ability to force an ISP to block sites with infringing content that come from outside the US.

Bullshit. America is passing a bill that lets it force companies in other countries to shut down their sites?

What a load of baloney. I could open a gameplay streaming website hosted internationally and they wouldn't be able to do fuck all about it.

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