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Hmm... How do I say what this thread is making me think without being insulting... Well, I find it... fascinating how many people, mostly guys, but there are a few women among them, seem to sincerely believe that they are staunch supporters of women's rights, that they truly believe that women are the equals of men, and yet somehow these same people still cling to the old idea that femininity is inherently inferior to masculinity.

They seem to reconcile this by believing that women can be just as cool as us men by doing manly man stuff. That as long as they're willing to give up girly things they can be our peers. That really seems to miss the point though.

See, in the bad old days, women were required to do feminine things, and forbidden from doing masculine ones, and the delineation between the two got fairly arbitrary in places. Clearly that was bad, and I'm glad we've gotten rid of that nonsense.

But the point wasn't that women were supposed to then be required to act masculine instead. The point was that we shouldn't be telling them what to do at all. We weren't supposed to be trading a system where women were oppressed by not being allowed to do the things men liked doing for a system where women who prefer romance to bashing in people's skulls are considered traitors. We were supposed to be allowing women to do whatever the hell they liked based on their own personal tastes, whether that's romance or cranium crushing or both or neither.

The simple fact of the matter is that women are more likely to like romance than men are. There are certainly women who hate it and men who enjoy it, but on the whole there really is a difference. Whether that difference is actually something biological or is simply the result of upbringing is completely irrelevant. It is true. Calling anyone who acknowledges it sexist is irrational and unhelpful.

And anyway, if the stereotype is that women are more likely to enjoy lovey dovey stuff and men are more likely to enjoy caving heads in, isn't that more damning of men than it is of women? Why would anyone ever consider that sexist against women?

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Oh right. I answered that myself at the beginning of this far, faaaaaaaaar too long post. I've already forgotten why I started writing, so I clearly need to shut the hell up now.

SonicWaffle:
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What up, you? Past 5K posts I see! I turn my back for five minutes...

...not really sure how it happened myself. But at least I have something to show for my endless procrastination.

OT: Without investigating those links (I'm at work) I do note that all have either "porn" or "hentai" in the article titles. Both of those words bring to mind something less akin to flowery romance and more about filthy screwing. While this article did mention that some of these Games For Girls featured sex I don't recall any of them being referred to as a "porn game"; is the inference that the otome games for men are about fucking but the ones for women are about hearts-and-flowers, or am I reading too much into that?

Those particular ones do feature explicit sexual material (...probably why they were chosen for coverage), but at least the Kana game supposed place significant emphasis on the whole romance aspect, with the sex being a decidedly secondary factor.

As for games with a significant story and romance aspect - and no sex whatsoever - which are still aimed at guys, that would be something like ChäoS;HEAd or Ever 17. I suppose those would be the male equivalent of the sexless otome games.

theres a 100% percent walkthrough for this girl game on youtube.

1. A complete guide on where all the penis medals are.

2. The tips and strategies on where to fight the bosses without getting cramps or your period.

3. The best clothes and makeup guide so you can make your character have high defense and look like a slut.

SonicWaffle:

Sabrestar:
They're just one genre, and they are what they are. Sure, women want more than just games about "catch the guy", just like men want more than just games about "catch the girl".

Whoa whoa whoa. Sometimes we like to catch the guy too! Anders and I had such a forbidden love, though admittedly that all went to shit when he turned out to be a terrorist. Still, it was sweet for a time!

I'm picturing you (no idea what you look like) and Anders having late night rendezvous in the face of a disapproving society. There's much love and you'd run through hell to defend your right to be with him. But then the live died when he set an IED off under your favorite shop in the plaza and you realized that he was fucking crazy.

The thought pleases me for some very odd reason.

LilithSlave:
You know what I love? Men who get into Otome games, instead of Gears of War. But ugh, I have a hard enough time getting people into jRPGs nowadays.

Guy here.

Have you ever played Kira Kira:Re for "i" on the iPod appstore? I think that would count as an otome game. It's so poorly translated but by God was I taken by surprise at how much I liked the couple characters. The bad ending really through me for a loop. It was like "Holy shit! I was thinking this was a cute one off visual novel and THIS happens?"

Star Ocean: The second story had otome elements, if you chose Rena as the main character, and was one of the best RPGs of all time. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure wasn't really otome but, well it was a tactical RPG and I'm not gonna summarize it here. Also a great game.

I have Avalon Code and Princess Debut marked down to get because they sound pretty awesome. Also, a female protaganist Sakura Wars ? If only it was in english -_-.

Some of these games are weird, like the bathing one I can't really justify that. But honestly a lot of "female oriented" games, see above, are usually pretty damn good.

You can keep the sparkles and romances, tho I'll take the hot guys. Wait... this is anime style hot guys right? Nvm you can't keep them too.
While this game wouldn't interest me in the least unless there is allot more too it there are allot of girls would be interested in this sort of thing. The stereotypical teenage girl is a stereotype for a reason and it's not like they are saying that this is what all girls want to play. There is a market for this stuff. Besides isn't there is a male equivilent which is exactly the same only pickig between girls?

To be honest I always saw sex as another theme a game covers. Some games are for straight boys, some games are for straight girls, some games are for gun nuts, some games are for fantasy nerds, some games are for a more wider audience.

The thing that attracts me most to a game is its aesthetics. This means I have a wide range to choose from but alot of games over look this almost entirely in many ways.

And just so were clear, im a 22 year old straight guy from SE London... and I really dig romance stories... oh KimiKiss various heroines, SO MUCH DAAAAAAAW!!!
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Sure, why not.
If men can have their fantasy-wish-fullfillment, why shouldnīt women ? Bunch of guys, all hot, all really into the female protagonist, sounds fun.
Except the one with the boxing.
That sounded kind of weird.
But hey, I hear some people like the entire "donīt be the guy in the spotlight, be the guy that helps the guy in the spotlight"-thing.
Then again, I played Persona3Portable with both male and female protagonist, so maybe the entire notion of dating people to get some advantage from them comes more naturally to me than it should.

Shark Wrangler:
theres a 100% percent walkthrough for this girl game on youtube.

1. A complete guide on where all the penis medals are.

2. The tips and strategies on where to fight the bosses without getting cramps or your period.

3. The best clothes and makeup guide so you can make your character have high defense and look like a slut.

What ?
No, really, not trying to be cute here or funny or something.
Just... what ?

TheAmazingHobo:
Sure, why not.
If men can have their fantasy-wish-fullfillment, why shouldnīt women ? Bunch of guys, all hot, all really into the female protagonist, sounds fun.
Except the one with the boxing.
That sounded kind of weird.
But hey, I hear some people like the entire "donīt be the guy in the spotlight, be the guy that helps the guy in the spotlight"-thing.
Then again, I played Persona3Portable with both male and female protagonist, so maybe the entire notion of dating people to get some advantage from them comes more naturally to me than it should.

Shark Wrangler:
theres a 100% percent walkthrough for this girl game on youtube.

1. A complete guide on where all the penis medals are.

2. The tips and strategies on where to fight the bosses without getting cramps or your period.

3. The best clothes and makeup guide so you can make your character have high defense and look like a slut.

What I was going for was humor. Was just a joke to crack on how stupid I thought it was. A thing you don't really think about and should know its just for a little chuckle.

What ?
No, really, not trying to be cute here or funny or something.
Just... what ?

PunkRex:
To be honest I always saw sex as another theme a game covers. Some games are for straight boys, some games are for straight girls, some games are for gun nuts, some games are for fantasy nerds, some games are for a more wider audience.

I just realised I basically said the same exact things in a thread yesterday about that all female fighting game... can't remember its name. I know its a real unfair ratio of man/female aimed games but... hypocracy jars me some times. Can't we men/women enjoy abit of fan sefvice in peace.

SonicWaffle:
So you're into guys who enjoy games about hanging around with hunky heroic men rather than...hanging around with hunky heroic men?

Gears of War guys... "hunky"? Ahahaha... ha... you're not serious are you?

LilithSlave:

SonicWaffle:
So you're into guys who enjoy games about hanging around with hunky heroic men rather than...hanging around with hunky heroic men?

Gears of War guys... "hunky"? Ahahaha... ha... you're not serious are you?

Well, what the hell do I know about it? :-P

They're a bunch of rather muscly bestubbled fellows who appear to ooze manliness from their very pores. It's like someone gave Jack Bauer a thousand protein shakes and stole his razor...

I guess I just don't understand why we have to have "girl games" and "boy games" at all, ever? If you're trying to bridge a gender gap, then treating us as a token minority is not the way to do it. Except there aren't "boy games". There are just "games" and "girl games".

Hell, I don't see any games specifically marketed towards ethnic minorities. Cause that would be wrong. But games marketed towards women? All good!

SonicWaffle:

LilithSlave:

SonicWaffle:
So you're into guys who enjoy games about hanging around with hunky heroic men rather than...hanging around with hunky heroic men?

Gears of War guys... "hunky"? Ahahaha... ha... you're not serious are you?

Well, what the hell do I know about it? :-P

They're a bunch of rather muscly bestubbled fellows who appear to ooze manliness from their very pores. It's like someone gave Jack Bauer a thousand protein shakes and stole his razor...

I'm pretty sure this is YMMV, but I don't think testosterone poisoning looks good on a man. :P We all know the effects of too many steroids...

OK a romance game... Isn't that rather stereotyping women? you know rather stupefying and trashy? But hey if what you want is chic flicks with a controller... go for it...

Big_H:

I'm not a girl and I wouldn't call myself some radical feminist or anything (though I do believe in equal rights and all that), but what the hell are they teaching their young girls with these games?!

Oh no, for god's sake think of the children!

I am a feminist and don't mind saying so. I've played a couple of otome games and at best they're sound gameplay mechanics with a cosmetic veneer of romantic fluff. I hardly think they're the most damaging message that young boys and girls receive in our society, though.

The only thing that's female-oriented in them is that the romance mechanics are designed for hetero females. It's no weirder than saying that any popular media genre is aimed at a particular demographic - and like any popular media genre, there are periphery demographics that also enjoy them. Just think of it as being like My Little Pony.

Taunta:
I guess I just don't understand why we have to have "girl games" and "boy games" at all, ever? If you're trying to bridge a gender gap, then treating us as a token minority is not the way to do it. Except there aren't "boy games". There are just "games" and "girl games".

Except there are. Boy games, that is.
Those otome games are actually the exact mirror of all those dating sims et. al. aimed specifically at boys (Sakura Wars and TokefuckmeifIknowhowtospellit were mentioned in the article I believe, as games that started of as boy focused, spawning a girl "version"). They, too, are a mostly japanese thing, though some really popular ones (and of course some really pervy ones) have made it to other parts of the world.

So the point that those "girl games" are somehow an anomaly, without a male-focused equivalent is, to use a technical term, wrong. So itīs less "you are treated as a token minority" and more "you are being manipulated and exploited by games pandering to you, just as boys are."
Isnīt equality fun ?

ms_sunlight:

The only thing that's female-oriented in them is that the romance mechanics are designed for hetero females. It's no weirder than saying that any popular media genre is aimed at a particular demographic - and like any popular media genre, there are periphery demographics that also enjoy them. Just think of it as being like My Little Pony.

Exactly, everything is aimed at SOMEONE. Either implicitly or (much more often) explicitly.
I just canīt subscribe to the idea that these games are somehow demeaning to their target audience, just because they HAVE a target audience. (Which, by the way, is "girls who like romantic fiction" not just "girls". The same way "Princessī Waltz" probably wasnīt meant for the dudebro demographic, but for a rather specific subset of people with male reproductive organs).

About the only thing that I could see as condescending about a romance game is the idea that only women are supposed to like such a game. Other than that, to me, it's just another game. I would be willing to classify it higher than some of the standard triple-A crappage simply because it actually tries to inject some actual human emotion and character development into a game, rather than just be the same old butt-shit brown game featuring apathetic, zero-personality muscle masses that run around blowing shit up while grunting like a pig digging up truffles.

ADDENDUM: On the idea of those apathetic, zero-personality muscle masses, there is this idea in the game industry that the game avatar has to be a blank slate to allow the gamer to inject his/her own identity into the game. My counter to that idea is the following proposition: fantasy is not just about being somewhere else; it's also about being someone else, by putting aside your own personality and identity to become that of the character's. That's how pretending works(at least, that's how it worked when I was a kid, back when dirt was first forming). You do something akin to Total Recall; you take a vacation from yourself.

SonicWaffle:
Gunstab Smashkillathon 3000: Deathfuck Edition.

Best game ever

Draconalis:

SonicWaffle:
Gunstab Smashkillathon 3000: Deathfuck Edition.

Best game ever

That's the title of the new Suda51 game dropping after Chainsaw Lollipop tanks.

OT

When a girl plays a Date Sim its cute yet when a guy plays one he's a creepy pervert. Why can't we all just accept we like playing games and creeping attractive chars. Let's not shine the shit brighter then it needs to be please.

SonicWaffle:

LilithSlave:

SonicWaffle:
So you're into guys who enjoy games about hanging around with hunky heroic men rather than...hanging around with hunky heroic men?

Gears of War guys... "hunky"? Ahahaha... ha... you're not serious are you?

Well, what the hell do I know about it? :-P

They're a bunch of rather muscly bestubbled fellows who appear to ooze manliness from their very pores. It's like someone gave Jack Bauer a thousand protein shakes and stole his razor...

Rofl the gears of war guys are defiantly not "hunks". I can't speak for all girls, I'm sure there are some who think they are but I'm fairly sure that would be a rather small group. The ridiculously muscular guy who "ooze manliness from their very pores" as a general rule isn't attractive. But don't worry you're not alone in your confusion. I recently was talking to a guy who pointed to Kratos as an example of "guys being sexualised for a female audience". Trust me, he isn't.

I'm all for gender equality in games. If a guy can save the world while romancing girls *cough*Rune Factory*cough*, why can't we gender-swap that? Heck, let's add same-sex options to both of those games while we're at it.

No, I don't believe in marketing to a particular gender. Any instance of that is as absurd and troubling as the recent Dr. Pepper 10 ads. I'm talking about gender equality WITHIN the games. People will buy whatever suits their taste, regardless of gender, but I prefer to have variety available to me.

This is kinda of stupid. I mean you do realize that games like this were originally aimed at men and have existed for a long time? This is just taking an old scenario, inverting it, and changing it up a little to appeal more to chicks.

Nothing to see here, move along.

anyway, on a separate note (because I've been thinking about this for awhile), I don't see why we, the gaming community (which is mostly male and probably one of the last male dominated communities in existence)need to cater to women or care at all what women as a group think of our hobby. I mean, let women get involved if they want, but I don't see any reason to change anything for their sakes. I mean, we start catering to chicks and what happens? The gaming equivalent of Twilight?(which is probably what most of these Otome games are anyway) No ****ing thanks.

The amazing part isn't that there's a game for girls, rather that a well-known company is actually taking a chance to license a dating sim (no matter the target audience) for the West. Dating sims typically have a stigma associated with them in the West, and even once you get past that, the "gameplay" is entirely different from what anyone would expect from a "game." I mean, yeah they released Sakura Wars but that was also equal parts RPG with exploration and combat and etc. Kudos to Aksys for taking a chance on it.

DementedSheep:
I recently was talking to a guy who pointed to Kratos as an example of "guys being sexualised for a female audience". Trust me, he isn't.

Boom.
This.
Kratos and the Gears fellows aren't sexualised for a female audience at all - in fact, it would be more accurate to say that they are sexualised for a male audience. But not in a gay way.
Kratos and Marcus et al. are designed to show a kind of hyper masculine ideal that men, in general, are pre-programmed to admire because of how much they naturally intimidate by force of their physical presence. We are meant to look up at them and say "Now that....THAT is a man." And it works.
Actually, on that note, I was fucking impressed with the design of Zeus in the God of War series. I mean...in a world of absolute, pectoral tearing masculinity, Zeus stands at the very pinnacle, but did the games show that by making him 100ft with a giant penis for a weapon?
Fuck no.
They just made him look like the most ruthless swan fucker ever to have walked the earth, towering over Kratos at a mortal level, dominating him with his sheer physicality in a way that is significantly more intimidating than, say, Poseidon and his mighty chariot, or the massive Kronos.

*Ahem*
Anyway.
I think what people are missing about the article is that nearly every single game released is specifically geared towards a male audience.
Not saying that everyone should campaign for otome games, but I do think that we need a liiiitle bit of variety in the general target audience.

Most of you seem to be misunderstanding something about these otome games. While I appreciate that you're taking a stand against sexism, you're confused about believing the creators think only women like games about romance.

The whole reason there are "girl" games is not because of "boy" games like Gears of War and Call of Duty, it's because of the exact same type of dating sim game for guys. The reason there are games for girls surrounded by lots of guys to choose from is because there are already games about guys surrounded by lots of girls to choose from! And while I won't deny that many of them are sexist (towards both genders, even), some of them are actually good romance stories. And there are people like me who enjoy those. I've never played an otome game before, but because I like that kind of story and enjoy visual novels (and like Aksys a lot), I'll be picking up Hakuoki, even though I'm a guy.

And SonicWaffle- in regards to the adult or "H" content, there are many games that don't have it as well as many that do. I get the feeling that many of the ones centered around actual romance tend to only have a small number of that type of scene, to the point where they often have PS2 or PSP ports with the scenes removed without any problems. Imperator just chose some particularly bad examples, so yes, you are reading too much into that. Though I have to admit that I've never really heard of otome games with that type of content, but that's mostly because I'm mostly interested in the games with male protagonists that don't have any. In any case, "otome" specifically refers to the type of these games that are for girls.

Also, as a side-note: dating sims and visual novels are not the same thing. Many dating sims will incorporate visual novel aspects, but many visual novels have none of the dating sim aspects. Hakuoki, as far as I know, does not have many, but I may be wrong here.

EDIT: I was actually going to write something like what Kafka said and couldn't figure out how to word it, so thanks for posting that.

Dastardly:

Heidi Kemps:
Games for Girls

There's more to otome games than their good-looking men and romance storylines.

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For some, it's blindness, but for others it's kid gloves...

You have some developers that just aim at the teenage boy demographic because it's easy, dependable money. They're not going to take the chance on "girl games."

But other developers, the ones that would? I think they're afraid of picking the wrong kind. There is no single type of "girl game," and it seems to a lot of people that a company making one type can easily be branded "sexist" by a group that likes another type. The same isn't as true in a country with a slightly more "uniform" cultural identity within each gender (for better or worse).

In the West, we're afraid to step out of the middle because as soon as we do, either the Left or the Right will accuse us of something. Racism, sexism, classism, homophobia, or maybe just plain old pandering. It's part of our culture to think, "If you're not specifically on my team, you're specifically out to get my team." And there are a lot of "teams" to keep track of...

It would be nice if maybe one day these games got more popular. If there more games for women's fantasy maybe they would let me enjoy my male fantasy games with the fictional women with stonking great tits.

Alright, it's about time!

But I'm giving all you lady gamers a fair and honest warning.

You'll be sitting around doing your lady gamer things with one another and your female friend will pipe up, "You know what I really hate?" And you'll be all, "No, what do you hate?" And she'll be all, "Men who play games obviously designed for women then complain about the fact that they're not being catered to. Like having a penis entitles them to have a share in anything and everything, no exceptions." And you'll look over your shoulder, glance around nervously before answering, "Yeah. They're anno.."

And then with the words having barely left your lips I will smash my way out from where I've been holed up under the floorboards, with an unkempt beard as wild as the look in my eyes. Because I've been putting you under surveillance for years, subsisting down there in the dark on nothing but vermin and crazy.

Waiting for this very moment.

And I'll level my finger accusingly and cry out at the top of my voice, "See! I told you it was f'ing well annoying!"

And then you'll probably call the cops and I'll get arrested.

:/ Personally, I feel that this is being slightly offensive. I know they mean well, but the fact that they assume 'every' girl jumps straight for romance titles and nothing else is like assuming the entire male demographic likes FPSs, which certainly isn't tr--

*ahem*

OK, never mind. Let me propose something instead.

Instead of trying to make your game overly 'manly' or overly 'effeminate', how about you try to strike a bit of an even balance? For instance, maybe in the next Halo we can get a glimpse into a few more female soldiers or leads that aren't heartless soldiers/scientists, but actually have emotional connections with other characters and have interesting, heartfelt dialogue and relationships with you or the other members of your team (ala Mass Effect-esque dialogue during missions) to give the characters some life and paint them as three-dimensional people rather than militaristic stereotypes.

Or, here's a really good idea if Activision or EA still care. *ahem* Maybe, in the next fucking installment of CoD or Battlefield, if you guys really still care about making a 'dynamic' single-player experience and that it 'still matters', maybe you'd like to diversify the genders of the people in the squad (and don't give me bullcrap about it not being a 'realistic' depiction of the army. It's a fucking video game, and I can assure you that Makarov wouldn't have even gotten two steps into that Russian airport without being the target of every damn Russian with a gun if he was packing that kind of firepower.), or maybe something even better: Stop using damn stereotypes that play to the obvious gamer and instead try to make an empathic story with characters that are relateable to actual people, and thus give us a reason to care about getting through the story and seeing these people evolve (and eventually die).

... Wow, I feel like I digressed somewhere. *ahem* To put it simply, I think we'd attract more gamers of both genres, or maybe make gamers out of entirely new demographics, if we showed that we give a damn about the stories we're crafting aside from Multiplayer. We've already squeezed as many gamers as possible from the Multiplayer; how about you now start showing that gaming is more than a Multiplayer medium and give characters and a story that everyone will enjoy and then we'll start seeing some new blood.

Well, in all fairness this genre of those visual novels includes a whole boatload of male targeted porn- the whole phenomena of courting a whole harem of archetypes works both ways. So the question is if there's similarly porn-y stuff available for women.

It's definitely no secret that relationship games sell to women, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's bad if you're ghetto-izing both genders to the point that you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of mutual interest. Plenty of woman are interested in pink and frilly human social stuff with fuzzy-wuzzies, and it's not nessarily serving the gender to insist that ideally they should be more like the (masculine) ideal. So the fact that these games exist is not inherently an abomination.

I'm glad to see that this thread has some people who realize that otome games aren't so much trying to target girls so much as it is giving girls the same genre of games that boys in Japan already have, except allowing them to play as a female character romancing boys. I love Harvest Moon. I love Rune Factory. I love Persona 3/4. I love text-heavy games like Phoenix Wright. No, I am not a girly girl who goes shopping and wears pink fluffy sparkly crap. I don't read Twilight. But I am guilty of writing sappy lovey-dovey fiction. I read so much shojo manga I'm sure my collection has cost me thousands of dollars and I've completely run out of shelf space. I find otome/date sim games are fun and silly, because they are in no way like a real romance. But because I love reading and I enjoy anime art (well, maybe not some of the ridiculous sugary cute stuff), I find these types of games enjoyable. I wouldn't want to EXCLUSIVELY play these games, but I still like them. Even if I have to play as a boy romancing girls, I still like them. Honestly, I think some of the people in this thread should find some otome-game Let's Play (ie Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side, probably NOT Duel Love which isn't really all that good of a game even for the genre)to get into the heads of people who do like the delve into this genre.

Paradoxrifts:
Alright, it's about time!

But I'm giving all you lady gamers a fair and honest warning.

You'll be sitting around doing your lady gamer things with one another and your female friend will pipe up, "You know what I really hate?" And you'll be all, "No, what do you hate?" And she'll be all, "Men who play games obviously designed for women then complain about the fact that they're not being catered to. Like having a penis entitles them to have a share in anything and everything, no exceptions." And you'll look over your shoulder, glance around nervously before answering, "Yeah. They're anno.."

And then with the words having barely left your lips I will smash my way out from where I've been holed up under the floorboards, with an unkempt beard as wild as the look in my eyes. Because I've been putting you under surveillance for years, subsisting down there in the dark on nothing but vermin and crazy.

Waiting for this very moment.

And I'll level my finger accusingly and cry out at the top of my voice, "See! I told you it was f'ing well annoying!"

And then you'll probably call the cops and I'll get arrested.

You, sir, are a god damn mad genius!

DementedSheep:
Rofl the gears of war guys are defiantly not "hunks". I can't speak for all girls, I'm sure there are some who think they are but I'm fairly sure that would be a rather small group. The ridiculously muscular guy who "ooze manliness from their very pores" as a general rule isn't attractive.

To be honest, they're probably designed more to be what men think of as sexually attractive in men. Not in a "he's so manly I'd bum him silly" sort of way, more the "he's the archetype of manliness, I bet he's up to his knees in poon. Not literally because that would be weird, but figuratively. I want to be him!"

Y'know, it's funny. I see many, many, many complaints that women in videogames (like in movies and magazines) create unrealistic expectations for women by being pretty, skinny and having tits like volleyballs. Can't remember seeing anyone talk about how stuffing games with uber-muscley, handsome and gravel-voiced dudes creates unrealistic expectations for us guys who're a little overweight and don't resemble Daniel Craig.

DementedSheep:
But don't worry you're not alone in your confusion. I recently was talking to a guy who pointed to Kratos as an example of "guys being sexualised for a female audience". Trust me, he isn't.

Is that based entirely on the assumption that he isn't wearing a shirt? :-P

EDIT: crapsticks, ninja'd :-(

KafkaOffTheBeach:
Kratos and the Gears fellows aren't sexualised for a female audience at all - in fact, it would be more accurate to say that they are sexualised for a male audience. But not in a gay way.

Taunta:
I guess I just don't understand why we have to have "girl games" and "boy games" at all, ever? If you're trying to bridge a gender gap, then treating us as a token minority is not the way to do it. Except there aren't "boy games". There are just "games" and "girl games".

That's because you shouldn't be playing games at all! You go and do the babymaking, cooking and suchlike while we go out and do our manly protector thing. Admittedly, we're protecting you from entirely fictional computer-generated bad guys, but it makes us feel less irrelevant!

Joking aside, I do understand what you're getting at. The same thing seems to happen with movies; "chick flicks" are a (admittedly very popular) sub-genre of cinema, but I don't see stuff like 300 (which is laden with the stuff men are supposed to like) being labelled as "dick flicks".

There are plenty of people in this thread assuming the atrticle is saying that all the games aimed at girls are about romancing hot dudes when it is simply being used as an example of a popular type of game amongst females.
There are just as many people in this thread assuming that games about romancing others are not meant for men as well. To these people, I say "Shut up and do some damn research." I have many games where there are chances to ramance men, I have plenty where there are chances to romance men, and I own several where there is the cance to romance both men and women. (Too bad the Moro route in Majikoi will probably never be translated.)
Even worse are the people assuming that all the action games and shoot-em-ups are intended for male audiences only. In all honesty, I play these kinds of games the least. I know I'm a minority on this site, but the kind of people that make these kind of assumptions just bother me.
Now excuse me while I get back to raising Rempo's affection level in Avalon Code.

I can't grasp how anyone can find this offensive or sexist.
There are a lot more dating sims and eroges aimed at males than girls. And of course there are those that are aimed at both. Phalene, VanQQisH and xyrafhoan nail it right.

But if someone is interested in finding some otome games, I put the right search tags for vndb search engine (I added a filter that only shows otome games that have been localized / fan translated).

And I need to remind all of you that if an eroge contains explicit sexual content, it necessarily does not mean that it's a mindless porn game with no plot. (ex. Fate/Stay Night, Utawarerumono, Kanon, Demonbane, to name a few)

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