The Big Picture: If the Oscars Were the VGAs

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I don't like the VGAs that much but come on Bob the whole "they obsess over military shooters" just was not true this year.

Battlefield 3 and MW3 were not nominated for Best Picture, in fact the only game with guns that was nominated was Uncharted 3 (unless you count portal guns).

The only time they brought up MW3 was when they won best shooter (which was their only win).

No wait one of the MW3 characters was nominated best character but they used that time to talk about a charity involving veterans instead of the actual game.

In fact if you look at what won, Portal 2 swept up a ton of awards.

So come on Bob they do deserve credit in that one aspect.

I watched the VGA's after watching The Big Picture. And.... well I can't say I am impressed.
Normally I don't watch it either but really.. I just don't believe some guests when they say they are 'into games'.

And really? Does Charly Sheen have to be everywhere? How unrelated it might be?
Really?

Thankfully only gamers watch this event so we're not beeing made a fool, except in front of our own. THe world will think no less. Not that it matters what the world thinks anyway.

"I'm Bob, and that's the Big Picture."

Nope, not really. It was an angry, one sided rant, filled with lame jokes, not a big picture. And you're not even right about a few things (most notably about War Shooters winning the 'best picture' awards, and about Green Lantern having a shot. You know damn well dude, that those kind of games suck, even for an average video game user).

Big thumbs down for you for this episode, Bob. I know you can do better than this (like with Transformers 2. That was a hilarious rant).

DVS BSTrD:
If the Oscars were the VGAs...
Avatar would have won best picture

If the Oscars were the VGAs, The Last Airbender would've gotten a nomination.

Or do the VGAs at least pretend to have standards?

Waaah! Gaming is diverse and I only like diversity when it involves black people and women, not people with differences than me beyond the surface! Waaaah!

PS: Felicia Day will never touch your penis, no matter how white a knight you are.

Trishbot:
Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.

To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!

Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf

Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.

Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto

You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.

I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?

That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."

Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.

There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,

A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,

Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.

I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.

jackanderson:

I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong.

After this sentence I read up und what happened. And all I can think of is "WTF?".

Havin Mark Hamill there, Luke effin Skywalker, one of the big icons of nerddom, and you didn't even announce it?

And don't get me started on Tara Strong, one of my favorite voice actresses (for obvious reasons *points at his avatar*, but also for her exceptional work on other cartoons I liked AND her performance as Harley which I loved).

Teabagging, VO awards offstage, didn't even show Hamill... I am getting old.

Bob, I like your videos, I like them a lot, but I didn't like this one.

Now Let me give it to you straight: I like Halo. And according to your video, just for that I am ruining the gaming industry. Now that's a rather hasty generalisation. Especially since I've never seen the VGAs or even heard of the channel that it's aired on.(I'm guessing it's American) And I don't much care to.

Now aside from that show, of wich I'm sure is quite stupid, the insinuation that certain gamers for liking certain games are responsible for the danmation of the games industry. And that the industry would be better off without these games, wich are enjoyed by many, is simpely biased, unfair and untrue.

Now I get that you like some games more than others, but christ Bob, live and let live.

Lordofthesuplex:
Sad thing is, I can point you to some idiotic little parasites on YouTube that actually take the VGAs to be a serious thing when evaluating the games industry.

Damnit, I look at stuff like this sometimes and it makes me feel dead inside. When did we get devolve so much as a society that "live action tea-bagging" was considered comedy? Let alone, entertainment?

You mean devolution from the days of blackface? Or are you reffering to the days when comedy involved sexually harassing a woman?

Its not just bloggers, NO ONE likes the VGAs. I think it was 2008 i decided to watch some of the horrible spectacle and couldn't sit thought 2 minutes of Snoop-Dog looking like his soul had been completely erroded obviously there because he had run out of money. Its just painful to watch.

To be honest i don't think the "Dudebro" demographic is actually that huge, it just happens some douchebags are very vocal gaming dicks, like they are vocal dicks about a whole lot of other topics.

Jennacide:
Nice jab at the Mark Hamill fiasco. I refuse to ever watch the VGAs, I'm not giving the drivel ratings, but I heard about Tara Strong's super angry tweet about what they did to him. Which brings up two questions: why would you disrespect MARK FUCKING HAMILL, and what in the living hell was the cast of the Jersey Shore even doing there?

what did they do to mark hamil?...

and jersy shore??

.....fuck....just

...fuck

I usually devolve into a semi rant whenever someone compares video games to movies but you were funny so I won't.

*looks thread over*

So... The stupid VGAs were stupid? Is the sky blue?

I just... I'm totally nonplussed by this. The only time I ever watched Spike TV was because I was curious about "Gary the Rat". Way back when the channel had something like two ounces of worthy content.

I honestly think it'd be better for all of us if we just accepted that the jock and douchebag demographics are now part of the gaming scene and will forever be clamouring for more tits, pointless action sequences and empty nominations - and moved on.

I'm surprised Felicia Day hasn't used her popularity as a springboard to criticize the VGAs more openly, and I'm glad Tara Strong and Mark Hamill protested against their fairly poor treatment.

The moral of the story being that most of us should just move on, watch the BAFTAs or something else that's a tad more substantial, and in doing so try to sway the public opinion and perception of video games as a media worthy of being celebrated *away* from the VGAs.

Men In Black 3 actually looks pretty good from the trailer, at least in a MIB-way. Don't start hating before you know if it's good or not.

So from the sounds of it the VGA's were terrible to watch. But I don't really get this game Bob is trying to play. From what I can see the actually award noms/winners are all great choices. I'd agree with pretty much all of them. Except maybe the Male performance one, as great as Stephen Merchant was, you can't beat Hamill's Joker. What's the problem? From what I can see, every game that should have gotten a nod, did.

edit: Okay so there's four somewhat "silly" catergories. But they mean nothing, they're voted by viewers.

Oh wow you didn't use a very good alternative to The Green Latern winning best picture. The Tree of Life? Really?

Depressing and funny video all at once.

Just googled why did Brett Ratner have to quit? I didn't even know he was signed on for the Oscars, nevermind bowing out again. Anyway, I can't believe people are still popping it out like that in public. I'm not expecting homophobia/racism/whatever to disappear but you'd think people would become better at hiding it. Even if that jus means not spouting off rehearsal is for fags uring a Q and A.

Idiot.

Would it really have been so hard to say rehearsals are for losers?

The most reasonable argument I've heard about casual people is no one would mind them if they didn't have so much influence on an industry and hobby they hardly know anything about. There is no denying they brought video games into the larger public eye, but I am sure no one expected the result would be this!

I puked. Thank goodness for games like Hawken, Natural Selection 2, and Mega Man X: Corrupted. It seems small developers are the way to go next year.

JoeThree:
Waaah! Gaming is diverse and I only like diversity when it involves black people and women, not people with differences than me beyond the surface! Waaaah!

PS: Felicia Day will never touch your penis, no matter how white a knight you are.

You know what? I'll make that my resolution for the new year. Get Felicia Day to touch my penis sounds easier that the usual "loose X amount of weight" or "quit smoking".

There'd be a award for "Best picture fueled by Mountain Dew."

if the oscars where the vgas - bionicle the movie would have won an oscar for best animation.

(Taking deep breath) OK (and exhaling) I have said this before and I say it again... instead of dealing with the Spike VGA; work with Penny Arcade, IGN and a few other sites to make your own awards ceremony.

This is easily solvable and with the fanbases you have could pull the best crowd... also place it on youtube and other sites instead of TV, its fitting for this industry that we should advance with the times.

There would be a "Best Car-Chase" and "Best trailer" award and most importantly "Best Rack" award. Serious titles that were not mainsteam mega-hits would not feature at all. 'Indie movies', as in any movie that did not have a budget in the 100s of millions, would have their own single award catagory annouced days before the event and have no chance of winning in other catagories.

Grygor:

Trishbot:
Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.

To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!

Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf

Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.

Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto

You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.

I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?

That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."

Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.

There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,

A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,

Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.

I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.

MY problem? I view him as the greatest game developer of all time in a sea of great talent. That's not MY problem. You're apparently the one that was so bothered by MY (and MovieBob's, and Will Wright's, and Cliff Blizinski's, and Hideo Kojima's) opinion you felt the need to post your disdain for that preference and then launch into a tirade where you ignore or discredit the very examples I just submitted ("see, he only worked on the Wii version of Punch-out!!, not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... so, er, I guess he's never worked on Punch-Out!! like I originally claimed!")

Fine. Let's not trust the "dubiously" sourced Wikipedia. Eurogamer, IMDB, GiantBomb, IGN, Gamespy, CVG, and other sources confirm the very same list wikipedia details quite thoroughly (including him producing Killer Instinct for the SNES/Super Famicom... NOT the original Arcade, which you may be thinking of).

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be funny. I love cult games too (from Psychonauts to To the Moon to Shadows of the Damned). Hell, I love American McGee enough that I bought the Art of Alice: Madness Returns book and got him to sign it himself! I'm not knocking their work, because I adore it... but American McGee, like Suda51, is rather niche. Games that deserved higher sales and acclaim... but their influence isn't widely felt in this industry.

But, fine, you mention Gunpei Yokoi. I never said he WASN'T one of the most influential men in gaming. He pioneered Nintendo handhelds and was instrumental in Metroid and Kid Icarus. If the man had not died tragically in a car accident, I wager he'd be revolutionizing the industry alongside Miyamoto to this day. But that's not the case. Metroid games are beloved, but I can only name Castlevania, Shadow Complex, and to a minor degree Shantae as games that are blatantly influenced by Metroid's design, and, not to discredit him, but portable games existed long before the GameBoy, or even the Game & Watch, existed, though he popularized them. He's a great creator and I miss him terribly (he kept Sakamoto in line...), but his field of work was limited, partially due to his untimely death.

And Richard Garriott? God bless him for Ultima, even if he had zero success outside of that franchise. It was a revolutionary CRPG and paved the way for MMORPGs... but, again, he popularized these games, yet they existed LONG before 1981's Ultima hit store shelves. Computer RPGs like "Rogue" by Michael Toy and Glenn Wichman beat Garriott to the punch by a fear years, as did CRPGs like Temple of Apshai and Akalabeth: World of Doom. Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, putting creators like Gunpei Yokoi and Richard Garriott on a pedestal and crediting them for pioneering ideas others had first? Not saying these creators didn't do great things or create great games that caught on with the public, but it's like saying Grand Theft Auto III invented sandbox gaming with vehicles when that same team did the same thing a few years earlier on Body Harvest for N64.

Let me quote what you said, "There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make."

Okay. Sure. And Miyamoto's resume is LONG (over 120 titles) and FULL of series that are the absolute most successful in the world (Mario and Zelda in particular). BUT... he ALSO has those "single games" that "inspired far more budding developers". From the works of Will Wright (godfather of the simulation genre), to the ideas of Hideo Kojima (pioneer of cinematic game narrative), to the game ethics of Cliff Blizinski (developer of Unreal Tournament and Gears of War), to so many others as an inspiration to them either to get into video games, or how to approach making video games.

TIME magazine called him the "greatest video game creator of all time" and the "Spielberg of video games'; The Academy of Interactive Arts and Science acknowledged him as the "most important person in video games" and was the first person put into the Hall of Fame; various sites, from IGN to Gametrailers, have named him the "greatest game creator of all time"; he's been formally acknowledged by the Japanese and French governments.

Both Super Mario Bros AND The Legend of Zelda are considered two of the most successful game franchises ever (Mario is flat-out number 1), and news media, journalists, magazines, and Miyamoto's own peers have called them the most influential games ever made. You can look these up in TIME, Wired, CVG, and TLC.

Your opinion that Miyamoto is either not as influential as everyone else thinks, or is overrated, is in the minority, not just amongst gamers, but also industry professionals, developers, and journalists.

But, here, let me go casual here and see what Urban Dictionary's preferred definition is for Shigeru Miyamoto: "The greatest video game creator who ever lived and ever will live! Shigeru has the imagination and talent to create extremely popular franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc. He is the master at FUN, which is what Nintendo is all about! In other words: Shigeru Miyamoto is the GOD of the video games industry."

Feel free to disagree, but you're opinion is most definitely not shared by the majority of gamers, industry insiders, or even fellow developers. You'd probably have much better success trying to convince people that Walt Disney wasn't the most influential cartoon creator of all time and that we should all bow down to Richard Williams, Don Bluth, and Winsor McCay.

EDIT: Holy cow! I hate this new site layout! It glitched out and triple-posted me!

Sorry 'bout that folks. Only ONE mountainous wall of text from me was expected.

... wait, did you just propose a reboot of Starship Troopers featuring the cast of Glee?

I'm simultaneously incensed and slightly intrigued at the notion.

Better still, Neil Patrick Harris could reprise his role without breaking the crossover.

EDIT: Holy cow! I hate this new site layout! It glitched out and triple-posted me!

I miss the old, fast, efficient site...

Game companies, Spike TV, meet me at camera 3 as Jon Stewart would say.

We know that this "awards" show is little more than a chance to keep actors out of drug rehab for another month while exploiting the gaming fanbase. We know you haven't taken this thing seriously since its inception. Making an intelligent, talented person like Felicia Day debase herself in parlor tricks under the auspices of "donating to Child's Play" while completely neglecting to let us know how much this shameless pandering actually helped was a symptom. Seeing a video blogger get free tickets because he threatened Samuel L. Jackson levels of violence against Spike TV producers when his beloved Zelda didn't win Game of the Year made it all the more apparent what the disease really is.

Games industry, stop asking us to pay you attention.

Isn't the fact that your medium consistently outperforms many traditional formats reason enough to celebrate? Especially when you consider that one of the main selling points of the current console generation is the ability to faff about with those alternative forms of media when exploring Skyrim grows tiresome. Shouldn't we be proud of the fact that there are companies who have been in business for more than a quarter century whose work is still considered fresh and vibrant? Can't we accept the fact that gaming is popular, and "defending our honour" with stunts like this is actually hurting our credibility? For fuck's sake, you were caught teabagging the developers of a game you were celebrating five seconds ago!

...Granted, that was MW3, and I feel that someone over at Activision needed to get the experience the rest of us do, but that's not the point.

If the main reason these awards exist is to hype next year's releases, let's drop the awards gimmick and call it "Winter E3: Revenge of the Trailers". And when games are ready to have an awards show based on merit, rather than live voting on "most anticipated thing that doesn't exist yet", we'll let you have your damn trophy.

Or achievement, whichever floats your boat.

If the oscars were the VGAs, Michael Bay would get a lifetime achievement award.

Man, I loved Men in Black 1 and 2. What's wrong with those movies? :(

The only gaming related thing I want to do with Spike TV's VGA's is bludgeon everyone involved in making it to death with an actual Saints Row 3 dildo bat.

Trishbot:

Grygor:

Trishbot:
Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.

To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!

Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf

Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.

Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto

You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.

I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?

That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."

Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.

There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,

A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,

Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.

I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.

MY problem? I view him as the greatest game developer of all time in a sea of great talent. That's not MY problem. You're apparently the one that was so bothered by MY (and MovieBob's, and Will Wright's, and Cliff Blizinski's, and Hideo Kojima's) opinion you felt the need to post your disdain for that preference and then launch into a tirade where you ignore or discredit the very examples I just submitted ("see, he only worked on the Wii version of Punch-out!!, not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... so, er, I guess he's never worked on Punch-Out!! like I originally claimed!")

Fine. Let's not trust the "dubiously" sourced Wikipedia. Eurogamer, IMDB, GiantBomb, IGN, Gamespy, CVG, and other sources confirm the very same list wikipedia details quite thoroughly (including him producing Killer Instinct for the SNES/Super Famicom... NOT the original Arcade, which you may be thinking of).

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be funny. I love cult games too (from Psychonauts to To the Moon to Shadows of the Damned). Hell, I love American McGee enough that I bought the Art of Alice: Madness Returns book and got him to sign it himself! I'm not knocking their work, because I adore it... but American McGee, like Suda51, is rather niche. Games that deserved higher sales and acclaim... but their influence isn't widely felt in this industry.

But, fine, you mention Gunpei Yokoi. I never said he WASN'T one of the most influential men in gaming. He pioneered Nintendo handhelds and was instrumental in Metroid and Kid Icarus. If the man had not died tragically in a car accident, I wager he'd be revolutionizing the industry alongside Miyamoto to this day. But that's not the case. Metroid games are beloved, but I can only name Castlevania, Shadow Complex, and to a minor degree Shantae as games that are blatantly influenced by Metroid's design, and, not to discredit him, but portable games existed long before the GameBoy, or even the Game & Watch, existed, though he popularized them. He's a great creator and I miss him terribly (he kept Sakamoto in line...), but his field of work was limited, partially due to his untimely death.

And Richard Garriott? God bless him for Ultima, even if he had zero success outside of that franchise. It was a revolutionary CRPG and paved the way for MMORPGs... but, again, he popularized these games, yet they existed LONG before 1981's Ultima hit store shelves. Computer RPGs like "Rogue" by Michael Toy and Glenn Wichman beat Garriott to the punch by a fear years, as did CRPGs like Temple of Apshai and Akalabeth: World of Doom. Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, putting creators like Gunpei Yokoi and Richard Garriott on a pedestal and crediting them for pioneering ideas others had first? Not saying these creators didn't do great things or create great games that caught on with the public, but it's like saying Grand Theft Auto III invented sandbox gaming with vehicles when that same team did the same thing a few years earlier on Body Harvest for N64.

Let me quote what you said, "There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make."

Okay. Sure. And Miyamoto's resume is LONG (over 120 titles) and FULL of series that are the absolute most successful in the world (Mario and Zelda in particular). BUT... he ALSO has those "single games" that "inspired far more budding developers". From the works of Will Wright (godfather of the simulation genre), to the ideas of Hideo Kojima (pioneer of cinematic game narrative), to the game ethics of Cliff Blizinski (developer of Unreal Tournament and Gears of War), to so many others as an inspiration to them either to get into video games, or how to approach making video games.

TIME magazine called him the "greatest video game creator of all time" and the "Spielberg of video games'; The Academy of Interactive Arts and Science acknowledged him as the "most important person in video games" and was the first person put into the Hall of Fame; various sites, from IGN to Gametrailers, have named him the "greatest game creator of all time"; he's been formally acknowledged by the Japanese and French governments.

Both Super Mario Bros AND The Legend of Zelda are considered two of the most successful game franchises ever (Mario is flat-out number 1), and news media, journalists, magazines, and Miyamoto's own peers have called them the most influential games ever made. You can look these up in TIME, Wired, CVG, and TLC.

Your opinion that Miyamoto is either not as influential as everyone else thinks, or is overrated, is in the minority, not just amongst gamers, but also industry professionals, developers, and journalists.

But, here, let me go casual here and see what Urban Dictionary's preferred definition is for Shigeru Miyamoto: "The greatest video game creator who ever lived and ever will live! Shigeru has the imagination and talent to create extremely popular franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc. He is the master at FUN, which is what Nintendo is all about! In other words: Shigeru Miyamoto is the GOD of the video games industry."

Feel free to disagree, but you're opinion is most definitely not shared by the majority of gamers, industry insiders, or even fellow developers. You'd probably have much better success trying to convince people that Walt Disney wasn't the most influential cartoon creator of all time and that we should all bow down to Richard Williams, Don Bluth, and Winsor McCay.

Why do I get the feeling that you really like Miyamoto?

If the Oscars Were the VGAs....

Famous movie making companies will spam their fans twitter accounts saying "Vote for **** as the most anticipated movie of the year", then later they will spam again saying "you can vote daily for this, so vote for **** in daily basis". Then loyal fans will spam the voting system for their favorite movie making company.

At the end, the winner will say "Hooray we won!" and try to forget that the results never shows the actual count of people who are anticipated about their movie.

Stabby Joe:
I still surprised people take it seriously. At least with some people I know in real life and online, the Game Developer's Choice awards and the Interactive Arts and Sciences awards were followed with more credibility.

Even the Video Game BAFTAs is better than the VGAs despite it's odd choice of categories and nominees sometimes.

I don't know about "Game Developer's Choice awards", but "The Interactive Arts and Sciences awards" is actually something really worthy.

Sporky111:
I felt more sorry for Hideo Kogima when he was on the VGAs. He looked completely lost, as if he'd just been dropped into it with no rehearsal.

Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.

He was there because of his character as TIM.... I guess....

snfonseka:

Sporky111:
I felt more sorry for Hideo Kogima when he was on the VGAs. He looked completely lost, as if he'd just been dropped into it with no rehearsal.

Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.

He was there because of his character as TIM.... I guess....

You guess wrong, the Illusive Man was played by Martin Sheen.

hideo kojima didn't have to attend... It's not like he was under duress.
or was he....
Female news voice: *...And in another news story hideo kojima was kidnapped from his home last week only to show up bound and gaged at the VGAs in the trunk of Jason Statham's car. Some are saying it was an elaborate stunt to draw attention to the newest videogame edition of "The transporter III" by Rockstar games which will be out later this fall.*

If the Oscars were the VGAs Jason Statham would be the limo driver. for. every. single guest. He's just that good... >.>

Now if you'll excuse me I have to figure out which of the 8 broken quests I have in my quest log I'm going to do in Skyrim...

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