Assassin's Creed 2.85

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Assassin's Creed 2.85

Yahtzee suggests which time periods the series should go to next.

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If I was a pedantic tosser I'd mention that Les MisÚrables was written by Victor Hugo, not Alexandre Dumas. But I'm not, so I shan't.

'It'd probably be more than a little awkward for him to relive the memories of his grandad first boning his grandma.'

The mental image was too strong...

I wanted to see 1900 in Russia, I didn't read the entire comic, but if that was one of Desmond's ancestors, man it would be good to see his story.

Mulberry:
If I was a pedantic tosser I'd mention that Les MisÚrables was written by Victor Hugo, not Alexandre Dumas. But I'm not, so I shan't.

I think he was saying Dumas was his favourite author, and that he also enjoyed Les Miserables, but I suppose thats what we get for using English, rather than any of the less ambiguous languages.

But all in all, I agree. Mirrors Edge is kind of how I imagine a Desmonds Creed game to be, and the problem there was that there were only a few places you could go - up one building, along a sky-bridge and down the other side. I think that unless the assassin in question manages to be bitten by a radioactive spider, Hollywood and World War 2 Europe may suffer similar problems, but what about the ancient Far East? Desmond looks generic enough to have any kind of bloodlines flowing through him...also he would be played by Adam Sandler rather than Keanu Reeves, as, yes, he is a piece of emotionless wood, but he is also a goofy twat.

I always thought the French Revolution was a good backdrop, but I don't know if it would feel so different to AC 2. Most of the combat at the time was done with swords and (at most) muskets.

It's a bit obscure for a lot of people, but I'd love to see one set around any of the several major events in Byzantine history. The fall of Constantinople in 1453 has potential, of course, or the time around the battle of Manzikert, the empire's biggest defeat and coming right in the middle of piles and piles of court intrigue and murders left and right. Mucking about with Emperors in the richest city in the mediaeval Western world has a lot of potential.

Sadly the time period is so little known by non-historians that it'd risk being a huge bomb.

I hadn't thought of the 1920s, but that would be pretty awesome. But why not open it up to all of 1920s America? You can do Hollywood, gangland assassinations in Prohibition-era Chicago, and finally face down Edison in Menlo Park.

I know both The Saboteur and Velvet Assassin tried and failed at being the definitive WWII stealth game, but I'm so tired of WWII. I'd argue World War I was more of a historical shift than WWII, if only because there wouldn't have been a WWII without the Great War and the Treaty of Versailles. I'd like to see Desmond with a female, Mata Hari-esque ancestor in World War I.

rollerfox88:

Mulberry:
If I was a pedantic tosser I'd mention that Les MisÚrables was written by Victor Hugo, not Alexandre Dumas. But I'm not, so I shan't.

I think he was saying Dumas was his favourite author, and that he also enjoyed Les Miserables, but I suppose thats what we get for using English, rather than any of the less ambiguous languages.

I assumed that as well, but neither of those really cover the French Revolution. The Count of Monte Cristo and Les Miserables take place after the French Revolution, while the Three Musketeer stories take place over a century before it. Scaramouche and the Scarlet Pimpernel (both by Rafael Sabatini) would be more appropriate inspirations.

But I'm still on board for a French Revolution AC game, with the Reign of Terror representing Assassin ideals going too far, maybe justifying the need for an "enlightened" Templar (ie, Napoleon) to restore order.

I like the thought of the French revolution, but I personally think Imperial Britain during the late 1800's/ early 1900's. However people DO want the inevitable Desmond game and a lot of fans may have gone off the series during all the dallying around with Ezio.

rollerfox88:
but what about the ancient Far East? Desmond looks generic enough to have any kind of bloodlines flowing through him....

Depends how far back you go, the way i've seen the story Altair is 'ancestor zero' as he was the first of Desmonds ancestors to join the assassins (iirc), meaning you cant go further back than him.

Though you could have the assassin/templar fight going on before that but with the factions having different names, i doubt the ancient Egyptian baddies were called the templars.

They can do Desmond.. he's all about freedom right? Well that means he has to escape, and wouldn't you know it but he's in this huge Templar complex that has warehouses holding the Ark of the Covenant and other cheesy Raiders rip-offs, all that happen to have tight little aisles and easy places for Desmond to climb up and then fall off onto piles of collapsible boxes instead of haystacks. And why does Desmond have to go through all these warehouses? Why to pick up all the crap that Ezio and Altair and everybody else developed which just happen to be stored here, along with the super-duper-anti-bullet technology that requires relatively "slow" projectiles and blades.

I mean, yeah, cheesy as all hell, but it could certainly be done.

I would really like to see a game set in 19th century London. Either in the first half, which is the closest that the U.K. has been to revolution in a very long time (The Cato street conspiracy, captain swing riots Peterloo massacre etc), Alternatively it could be set in the 1880s, maybe somehow involving Jack the Ripper?

I don't think the climbing will be a problem, something similar to Mirrors Edge would work. Traffic also shouldn't be a big problem, they can set this Abstergo HQ in a smaller town so the motor traffic is limited, and you can run around the town without needing cars. The problem is the hidden blade combat, if this game is set in a modern setting, then guns would have to be the logical choice, which loses some of the game's charm.

The problem with France is that to keep it fresh they need a _big_ change now. Which in a way they can't do, yearly releases = gameplay refinment not overhaul. Constantinople was a step in the right direction, so I think we need ancient China, Japan, Egypt(this would be pretty cool if they could make it work), pre-colonial or colonial America, maybe a British Empire one, with a bigger focus on going and seeing the empire rather than staying at home in London and that's about it really. The world isn't different enough. Step into Africa maybe? But how do you find a non-gun dominated time period with the right sort of buildings? And never mind the ancestor problem. On the one hand luckily the Assassins are progressive enough that you can have him be one of the first white-explorers to that region, or sent to help the Assassins already there, but that's got some unfortunate colonial implications. You could have him stow away on a ship as a gutter-rat and be brought up by the chinese assassins. That could work

rdaleric:
I would really like to see a game set in 19th century London. Either in the first half, which is the closest that the U.K. has been to revolution in a very long time (The Cato street conspiracy, captain swing riots Peterloo massacre etc), Alternatively it could be set in the 1880s, maybe somehow involving Jack the Ripper?

You weren't the guy who suggested that Jack the Ripper should Ezio's ancestor assassin are you? Or maybe I should hope you are, otherwise this is a worryingly popular idea :D As much as I would like to see the Assassins discredited a bit (a lot) maybe Jack would be making the series dangerously aware of what it is.

BrotherRool:
You weren't the guy who suggested that Jack the Ripper should Ezio's ancestor assassin are you? Or maybe I should hope you are, otherwise this is a worryingly popular idea :D As much as I would like to see the Assassins discredited a bit (a lot) maybe Jack would be making the series dangerously aware of what it is.

I'm afraid i was not ;). I'd rather see him used as maybe a rival or Templar agent

I'd love to see one with desmond as a relative he remembers. it would allow some great character building for the same reason it would be creepy. if his gradfather was desmond's hero, then dealing with the contrast of the ideal image vs. reality would let desmond be less of a plot device and more of an actual, fleshed out character.

I *really* like 1800's England or France.

How about 1700's America? Think "Last of the Mohicans," everything from forests to forts to frontier cities...

they shouldn't have had desmond at all in my opinion but since they have, I think they should lose all the mess with secret in game locations and little puzzles to unlock each one (in Brotherhood). I also think it is perfectly possible to have modern climbable buildings if they set in Desmond's time.

but as for other ancestors...

1900-1917 Russia
Set on the eastern front during the war period and during a time of revolution for Russia. Not to mention the fact that WW1 was caused by an assassination

1890-1950s China
Again many revolutions and massive change from colonies to dictatorship to warlords to communism with a not-your-usual WW2 action (ie no Europeans/Americans)

Curses, I got got beat to the punch. All of the punches, in fact.

But yeah, what if Franz Ferdinand was a Templar, eh?

Difference in architecture would be a perfect excuse to change the climbing mechanics, and difference in technology would be a perfect excuse to change the combat mechanics. Assassin's Creed 3 could be a massive overhaul of the franchise, which would be awesome. I barely got into Brotherhood before feeling tired from it being the same game as the second.

Personally, I think anything beyond the year 1900 would have far too many guns to still work as a swordfighting game, and I find the french revolution to be somewhat too similar the the Renaissance.

I firmly believe an interesting new take of the series would be to have them set in feudal Japan or China : that would change the flavor, without modifying the core mechanics too much.

Oh, and by the way, Les Miserables took place in 1870, not in 1789. Can't blame Yatzee, however : even here in France, people make that mistake ALL the time.

What mainly inspires me to suggest this setting, though, is Harold Lloyd's short film Safety Last. Go and watch the building-climbing scenes on Youtube or something and tell me you're not reminded of Ezio Auditore doing his thing up the side of Lord Fuckthedowntroddeningham's castle.

Oh, man, I love this sentence. Not just because "Lord Fuckthedowntroddeningham" is hilarious, but it's also one of the rare times I felt like I was reading the words of an ordinary person geeking out about stuff on the Internet rather than a detached critic pontificating. No offense.

And I love the idea of an installment set in the 1920s. Or rather, I like the idea of a video game set in the 1920s; not so much Assassin's Creed since I haven't bothered getting into that series yet (and probably never will now that I've boycotted Ubisoft). It seems to me like that's a vibrant but woefully untapped period in media in general and video games in particular. Can't you just imagine a Grand Theft Auto game, or a GTA clone at least, set in 1920s Chicago-in-All-but-Name?

I'm a huge fan of the French Revolution angle (and Yahtzee has just earned even more of my fandom because he likes Dumas and Les Miserables). Not only for the reasons stated here, though -- I remember reading an article online soon after Brotherhood came out (I've since lost the link) where the author made a pretty good case for there being in fact two places where the Phrygian Cap and the Masonic Eye (mentioned by Sean right before Desmond shishkebobed Lucy) came together. Those two places were revolutionary America and revolutionary France and, the author pointed out, Ubisoft being a Canadian company might further skew the likelihood in favor of France.

I certainly think this would be awesomely awesome. A game all about Desmond would, in my opinion, skew the game away from its roots a good deal. In the end, I play Screed mostly because of the historical angle, not so much because I want to know how they stop the world from being cooked in 2012.

I've been convincing myself that the reason Ubisoft keeps making these Assassin's Creed 2.x games instead of a proper sequel, is that Assassin's Creed 3 is such a big overhaul of the series they need a lot more development time...

The longer they go on with this, the longer my dream stays intact. :P

David Duchovny is a bit of a father figure for quite a few of us, you know...

I would venture to back an Assassin's Creed game that takes place in coastal China during that brief time period between the First and Second Opium Wars respectively during the height of the colonial era.

Now, hear me out on this. During this age, Europe was embroiled in race to expand their spheres of influence and gain colonies. China represented a vast, lucrative, and mostly untapped market at the time, so every European power was attempting to gain a foothold there. At the forefront of the race was the British Empire who, after the First Opium War, had effectively gained trading ports on the mainland, seceded Hong Kong, and since been working to further expand their influence in China. And that's the historical backdrop. The weaponry at the time (especially for the civilians) consisted mostly of melee weapons. Guns were still in the musket stages, and even then the good ones were only readily available to soldier and wealthy traders.The locations would include appropriately vast landscapes and exotic chinese architecture, with the only modernish buildings limited to European port cities like Macau or Shanghai.

I would imagine that in the game, the Templars would be represented by various British military and diplomatic figures (freshly emboldened by their expanded military power since the Industrial Revolution) attempting to net China (a country far long isolated from their power and representing an ideal target for its resources and ancient knowledge) as their latest acquisition, working in conjunction with corrupt Chinese officials promised future political power and wealth. The Assassins, in an attempt to stem the Templar power grab, would be working to undermine the creeping colonization of China and possibly work with local Chinese revolutionaries and foreign powers rivaling the British (perhaps post revolutionary France). The Triads (who were still in their infancy at the time) attempting to oppose the Qing Dynasty could either be a fledgling Eastern-Assassins organization or a tool for the Templars to undermine the Chinese government by seeding a revolution in their midst. Given the nature of the setting, the story could delve into such topics as the nature of colonization and the moral and ethical quandary of attempting to force "enlightenment" on other cultures. As a means to an end the Assassins may very well have to make compromising decisions affecting the future of one of the most ancient civilizations in human history in an attempt to gain an upper hand over the Templar, perhaps choosing the lesser of two evils and siding with just-as-corrupt foreign powers that AREN'T associated with the Templar because they lacked the resources and influence there.

rdaleric:
I would really like to see a game set in 19th century London. Either in the first half, which is the closest that the U.K. has been to revolution in a very long time (The Cato street conspiracy, captain swing riots Peterloo massacre etc), Alternatively it could be set in the 1880s, maybe somehow involving Jack the Ripper?

BrotherRool:
You weren't the guy who suggested that Jack the Ripper should Ezio's ancestor assassin are you? Or maybe I should hope you are, otherwise this is a worryingly popular idea :D As much as I would like to see the Assassins discredited a bit (a lot) maybe Jack would be making the series dangerously aware of what it is.

A couple of years back, there was a movie about Jack the Ripper named "From Hell". I didn't see it when a couple of my roommates rented it, but I did watch the special features which included a documentary with a historian talking about how the murders could have been some sort of government cover-up.

Now, I know that bonus features are not the best source for historical accuracy, but the games aren't exactly going for historical truths either; they just want historical names and figures that gamers might recognize. Ubisoft could put in some ties between Templars and Freemasons trying to stay in power and have this be the point where the Templars start trying to integrate the assassins' techniques.

Personally, I don't know if I'd really want Jack the Ripper tied to the Assassin's Creed games, but I like the idea of using that time period. I like the Victorian Age and the common theme from the games of a conservative government repressing Nietzsche ideas fits there.

Whatever Ubisoft does, I don't know if it will make a difference. They've got so stuck on milking their cash cow that they're going to miss the 2012 deadline when we're all supposed to die from solar flares.

I'm all for French Revolution. If anything, we get to kill some annoying Frenchmen. But aside from that, it'd be nice to see how the writers would say the Templars influences all that bullshit with Robespier, Napoleon, and all that other stuff that happened (I can't remember all of it right now... and there was a lot). I say do it. :D

I just got the best idea ever.

Germany. 1900's. Pre-WW2.
Hitler was a templar. It's perfect.

Munich Putsch. Fight for power. Graf von Stauffenberg with other conspirators as assassins. There's enough action there to make a Call Of Duty game, and if they implement it into Assassins Creed, well, it'll be amazing. Great setting, tons of action, real motives, and a very emotional subject.

...

I would love to see French Revolution Assassin's Creed.
As is, Brotherhood killed my enthusiasm for the franchise I loved and I'm not sure if I'll get Revelations.

Maybe an Assassin's Creed set during the American Industrial Revolution. The technological arms race there is full of interesting ideas, but that's just me.

Experimental:
'It'd probably be more than a little awkward for him to relive the memories of his grandad first boning his grandma.'

The mental image was too strong...

I wanted to see 1900 in Russia, I didn't read the entire comic, but if that was one of Desmond's ancestors, man it would be good to see his story.

I'm pretty sure that that was Daniel Cross's ancestor. Don't get me wrong, he could be Desmond's as well, but I'm skeptical that those lineages coincide.

If they did though, I'd love to see the Bolshevik revolution from Assassin's Creed point of view. I wonder if the Russian royal family was templar-aligned and the Bolsheviks had Assassin support, or if it was the other way around? Given that both groups had some unsavory characters, it could go either way.

Karma168:

rollerfox88:
but what about the ancient Far East? Desmond looks generic enough to have any kind of bloodlines flowing through him....

Depends how far back you go, the way i've seen the story Altair is 'ancestor zero' as he was the first of Desmonds ancestors to join the assassins (iirc), meaning you cant go further back than him.

Though you could have the assassin/templar fight going on before that but with the factions having different names, i doubt the ancient Egyptian baddies were called the templars.

Altair comes from a line of Assassins. His father was an Assassin as well. I don't remember which game it was but it was mentioned that Altair's father was also a great Assassin.

And before Ezio the only way one could become an Assassin was to be born into it. So Altair's grandfather was also an Assassin and so on and so forth until the founding of the Assassin brotherhood.

AND don't forget that Altair spent time in Mongolia, so it is possible he has a 3 way with a concubine and his wife. Who then had a child and somewhere down that genealogy that child's descendant hooked up with one of Ezio's descendants (and considering Ezio's reputation that could have been just about anyone from Italy).

Edit/snip: appears I made this post twice somehow. Escapist was bugging out earlier.

IGNORE ME

If we want to really add some uncomfortable overtones to things there's the years preceding the Civil War as a good source of upheaval. Templar politician and judges working to keep the machinery of slavery working, planning the split of the Confederacy for their own purposes, English, French, and Spanish powers looking to break apart the fledgling United States. Probably set in DC I imagine just for the sake of a few familiar monuments though a Southern city might make more sense.

You could also set the game at almost any time period in New Orleans seeing as that city changed hands about a half dozen times and had so many factions operating in it that the inclusion of Templars and Assassins would probably make it more understandable than what actually was going on most days. A Caribbean island might be fun for the same reasons with feuding Dutch, English, French, and Spanish powers alongside pirates in search of the buried treasure that is actually a piece of Eden. Plus it gives the chance to go climbing ship's masts and swinging around to swashbuckle and cut your way down sails like in the movies and all.

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