Let's All Watch The Batman Trailer

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Let's All Watch The Batman Trailer

MovieBob takes a very close look at the new Batman trailer.

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Honestly Bob, I think you should have analysed The Hobbit trailer instead.

Bob, we all wish it was ace reporter Clark Kent.

"Gee, it sure would be ironic if turned out that peacetime makes Gotham lower its guard and fall prey to evil, thus teaching everyone the lesson that peace can only be won by leaders who are constantly ready/eager for war, huh? Nolanverse Batman: your source for uncomfortably positive imaginings of the Cheney doctrine since 2008!"

...Because the only films hollywood is allowed to produce are anti-war, anti-Bush tirades?

Or is it just the realization that the probable biggest blockbuster of the first eleven months of the year is going to be something whose philosophy you disagree with? Insert comment about turnabout here.

Honestly, I believe that this'll be good, but I still think we should pass some kind of law that prohibits anyone but Nolan to do a "gritty realism" version of annything. Lets hope that the Avengers becomes slightly better, simply to show that superheroes should stay super.

I'm always for more realistic superhero movie, even if i still like those that are more supernatural (thor or X-men first class).

Mantonio:
Honestly Bob, I think you should have analysed The Hobbit trailer instead.

I assume he didn't have the time before the holidays. I've found two vloser looks at the trailer.
A kinda bad one here
http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/12/21/ign-rewind-theater-the-hobbit-first-trailer
And a great one here
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/12/23/51649-first-hobbit-trailer-torns-frame-by-frame-analysis/

I know what you mean. I find that I'm not exited for this movie at all for some reason. I think it's because The Avengers have gotten to me, and I'm done with gritty realism too.

Star City? STAR City, Bob? Honestly, I'm a bit ashamed of you.

The Rogues are from CENTRAL City.

I'm gonna have to ask you to turn in your nerd badge.

Also, am I the only one who's completely soured on Nolan Batman, thinks Ledger's performance was overrated, and is sick of people touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever?

Okay, I watched this trailer, but all I could really think about it was: This looks dumb.

Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue. To do that, you have to
a. Kill the main character
b. Cause the main character to get shot in the spinal cord causing paralysis (which kinda didn't work for Magneto)
or c. causing a nuke to go off in Gotham killing everyone... except Bat-man.

If c happens, Batman 4: Rise of the Zombies will be awesome.

TBH, I'm way more excited for The Hobbit, but, that's me.

I'm amazed that people still use Apple's awful system for viewing trailers.

jFr[e]ak93:
Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue.

And Sam Raimi didn't want to do Venom. Never udnerestimate the power of executive meddling.

I'm a big fan of Bob, but it seems like lately his sole criterion for evaluating comic book adaptations is how much fidelity to the source material they have. At least, that's the only explanation I have for him taking such a cynical view of this while heaping praise all over GI Joe 2.

Vis a vis the whole "grittiness" thing..... I can see where people are coming from. Popular culture seems to be running this way lately, what with the Transformers being turned into Black Hawk Down-style war movies or whatever the hell [url=http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vga-2011-transformers-fall/724684this[/url] is supposed to be (WEEP FOR THE CHILDREN'S TOYS. FEEL THEIR BROTHERHOOD), or the veritable explosion of fantasy novels trying to out-do each other with how much rape and torture they can pack into each 1000 page volume. I get that this is all a little tiresome, and I like many others saw the first Iron Man movie and Xmen: First Class as a welcome breath of fresh air.

But the problem with Bob's attitude (mirrored by a lot of people in the internet lately) is that its too general. Yes, making Spiderman or Superman dark and gritty doesn't make sense, but does that mean it no longer makes sense for Batman? As unpopular as this sounds, I would argue the reason people connected so strongly with a version of Batman stripped of most of the trappings of his comic-book origins is that he never truly belonged to that medium in the first place.

While I just praised First Class for being more comic-booky, the same holds true for that film's versions of Magneto and Xavier. Seeing those characters without their superhero outfits or code names and grounded in a more realistic setting that ditches aliens, magic and parallel dimensions in favour of stright up sci-fi felt like a revelation- "this is the version of these characters I've always wanted", I found myself thinking in the cinema.

Am I just coming at this from the biased perspective of someone who has never liked superhero comics? Maybe. But then again, there has to be some reason why the movie version of these characters have won over mainstream audiences in a way that comic books themselves never could.

McMarbles:
Also, am I the only one who's completely soured on Nolan Batman, thinks Ledger's performance was overrated, and is sick of people touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever?

No, no you aren't. I agree with you on all three points.

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm amazed that people still use Apple's awful system for viewing trailers.

jFr[e]ak93:
Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue.

And Sam Raimi didn't want to do Venom. Never udnerestimate the power of executive meddling.

thing is, Raimi didn't go into Spider-Man 3 having delivered the third highest domestic box-office of all time. he also didn't have anywhere near the level of contractual protection Nolan has(note the "i get to make one movie of my chosing after each Bat film and WB will pay for it" clause). and Sony wasn't rolling in more Harry Potter money than they knew what to do with(which is really the only reason Nolan's gotten away with as much as he has). if Nolan wants to kill Bats just to make absolutely sure that the NolanBatverse has a conclusive end that nobody can pick back up, WB will let him.

Honestly I was a little disappointed in this trailer, nothing really screamed "Batman" to me, even when Batman was on screen. Even Catwoman was meh, Anne Hathaway is just too cute to be 'intimidating'. But it could all change in the actual movie so I'll keep my mouth shut.

And I'm guessing this is going to be the whole "Bane releases all the prisoners from Arkham and Blackgate inorder to tire Batman out do Bane can break his back" plot. (oh wait, the article already linked Knightfall so I'm a little late on that)It's a decent plot, especially if written well.

stickmangrit:

thing is, Raimi didn't go into Spider-Man 3 having delivered the third highest domestic box-office of all time. he also didn't have anywhere near the level of contractual protection Nolan has(note the "i get to make one movie of my chosing after each Bat film and WB will pay for it" clause). and Sony wasn't rolling in more Harry Potter money than they knew what to do with(which is really the only reason Nolan's gotten away with as much as he has). if Nolan wants to kill Bats just to make absolutely sure that the NolanBatverse has a conclusive end that nobody can pick back up, WB will let him.

Dicing hairs on the situation is fun, but it still doesn't really change much.

The Random Paradox:

McMarbles:
Also, am I the only one who's completely soured on Nolan Batman, thinks Ledger's performance was overrated, and is sick of people touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever?

No, no you aren't. I agree with you on all three points.

See... I'm a lifetime DC fanboy... but I'm more looking forward to The Avengers than I am to TDKR and even the Superman reboot. Maybe I'm just tired of superhero movies that are ashamed to be superhero movies.

Maybe that's why I *gasp* liked Green Lantern more than TDK.

Didn't al'Gul's cult have an earthquake machine? I seem to remember there being a plot where he intended to use such a device to make the Lazurus pits overflow and flood the earth. Either way, Bane uses it to blow up a football game. The part of me that remembers and is still bitter about my high school experience approves.

McMarbles:
Star City? STAR City, Bob? Honestly, I'm a bit ashamed of you.

The Rogues are from CENTRAL City.

I'm gonna have to ask you to turn in your nerd badge.

Darn. Beaten to the punch. But yes, Bob, I too am disappointed in this unforgivable offense. We nerds cannot abide by such shameful mistakes.

Also, what's with all the Bane hate? Sure, he's not the best Batman villain, or even top 10 best, but he's not the worst. He's had at least one good story, Knightfall (he was also really good in Secret Six, but because that doesn't involve Batman, I won't count it).

MovieBob:
But I'll give it this - if they follow that realism schtick to the logical extreme and end this series by killing off Batman, I will give Nolan and company all the credit in the world - because that would take balls.

It really wouldn't. Killing off Batman in this film would be as about as impactful as killing off Batman in an Elseworlds book or any other self contained alternate continuity - i.e. not at all.

Sure, the 'Trust Nolan' fanboys would seize upon it as further proof of the series being 'realistic', but I'm very much reminded of something Grant Morrison wrote when he appeared as 'himself' in Animal Man 26.

"We thought that by making your world more violent we would make it more 'realistic.' More 'adult.' God help us if that's what it means."

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm amazed that people still use Apple's awful system for viewing trailers.

jFr[e]ak93:
Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue.

And Sam Raimi didn't want to do Venom. Never udnerestimate the power of executive meddling.

True, but Raimi didn't want to do Vulture (or Lizard... it gets confusing there)and now the series has rebooted because of it. I vote if Warner Bros. has plans to continue, a reboot will be needed (that is continue in this line of thought [realism]).

*NOTE in no way am I trying to pick a fight and or troll, just discuss.

In regards to the first two points, I can answer both because I was at the film shoot for the football game in Pittsburgh-

1. No, the Rogues are not the away team- The game is the Gotham City Rogues versus the Rapid City Monuments. I'm honestly not versed enough in comic lore to know if either of those are a reference to anything, but take that as you will.
2. This is the second time I've seen mention of the "R" looking like a Robin sign. I don't think that means anything- We were encouraged to make our own signs, and as far as I know, that was just a Bat-fan showing a bit of hidden love with his own sign. Now, why Chris Nolan decided to focus directly on that particular sign in the trailer is anyone's guess.

When I re-watched the trailer, I understood what Bane said: "When Gotham is in ashes, I will allow you to die."

Which, hey, I actually think that's a pretty cool line. They just need to ADR a better read so that we can actually understand it.

The whole Lazarus Pit thing is not going to happen. Begins was the most fantastical of this series, and that was still a million miles from magic swimming pools.

As for Bane's voice, I understood it the first time; could be a little de-muffled I guess, but all the hullaballo over it seems extreme.

Also:

"Gee, it sure would be ironic if turned out that peacetime makes Gotham lower its guard and fall prey to evil, thus teaching everyone the lesson that peace can only be won by leaders who are constantly ready/eager for war, huh? Nolanverse Batman: your source for uncomfortably positive imaginings of the Cheney doctrine since 2008!"

... huh? Where the hell did that come from? TDK wasn't right-wing, and I highly doubt Christopher Nolan or his brother are anything close to Republicans.

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm amazed that people still use Apple's awful system for viewing trailers.

jFr[e]ak93:
Nolan will probably kill Batman. I read somewhere that he is done with the series and doesn't want his version to continue.

And Sam Raimi didn't want to do Venom. Never udnerestimate the power of executive meddling.

Except Nolan is now in a position where he can do whatever the hell he wants (he practically shits gold for WB), and its been officially confirmed by everyone that he and Bale won't return and that this version is done with.

The Random Paradox:

McMarbles:
Also, am I the only one who's completely soured on Nolan Batman, thinks Ledger's performance was overrated, and is sick of people touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever?

No, no you aren't. I agree with you on all three points.

I agree also. I thought Begins was an exciting, taut thriller, but both TDK and Inception were in dire need of some script surgery... with a large machete.

Saying that, the trailer for TDKR looks intriguing, except for the slapstick CGI moment.

I'm still betting on Prometheus to be the dark blockbuster of the season, though.

Oh, Batman is ashamed of being a comic-book adaptation because he doesn't call his car by the ridiculous name 'batmobile'?

Say, how many times does Magneto call himself 'Magneto' or Xavier call himself 'Professor X' in X Men: First Class?

The "Sherpa" outfit appears to be a carry-on from Hardy's role in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

McMarbles:

Also, am I the only one who's completely soured on Nolan Batman, thinks Ledger's performance was overrated, and is sick of people touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever?

Soured? No. Ledger's Performance? That's called Academy Award Syndrome. Once it wins, it's overrated. If it never won, It would have been called "A Crime against Humanity" until everyone remembers Bat Nipples exist.
Sick of Touting TDK as the greatest superhero movie ever? Yes, only because that honor is bestowed onto The Watchmen and The Mask, In my opinion.

OT: I wasn't disappointed by the trailer, but the whole Football Stadium thing made my nerd-rection drop, just because unless there is a practical understanding about how that works (Is that kind of technology reserved for demolitions of highrises?) It feels like the movie is a little unrealistic, and for some reason, that kind of bothers me.

Short of that, that was a teaser trailer of the worst variety, by that, I mean I really want to see it.

I'm as skeptical as you Bob. I don't think the trailer shows enough to give us any idea of what to expect. That can be good if it's to make us surprised at what actually is in the movie. Or it could be bad because there isn't much good to show us. I'm more skeptical of Spiderman, but I'm pretty skeptical for this one coming out on top too.

"The Robin R."

Holy crap, it totally is!

I heard that Nolan is redoing the distortion of Bane's voice due to negative viewer reactions. So that's one concern alleviated.

I've never watched a Nolan film I didn't like, so I'm not even being cautious in my optimism for DKR. I'm sure the doubts will prove unfounded, unless your doubts are based on not liking the Dark Knight, in which case, lets be honest, you're not going to like the Dark Knight Rises.

Seeing how half-finished and confusing the trailer is gives me concerns for the movie. Wouldn't shock me at all if Nolan or WB said "Ya know.. I bet I can make a total piece of crap and everyone will praise it because it's Batman made by Nolan." Of course, I'm not expecting that, I'm merely saying it wouldn't shock me.

O butt-hurt comic book fans. At least wait for finished version before condemning it. We all know you will see it 4 times regardless.

OT: I like bane. I like the fact that they did not just recycle a villain form previous films

It's Nolan, he's Steven Spielberg crossed with Kubrick, we don't need any other reassurances. He is, in fact, that good.

And seriously, Bob, movies have to stand on their own terms, even if that means stripping away the comic book trappings. There's a reason Batman does gritty better than anyone.

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