No Right Answer: Green Lantern Corps vs the Jedi

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Green Lantern Corps vs the Jedi

Being around family like most of us just were makes you want to run away and join a noble order. Maybe shave your head, maybe not. But as long as you're joining a noble order, why not join the best? But wait, does that make you a Jedi in training, or a Green Lantern...in training?

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Revan.

Whichever one of these groups has Revan shall win.

i'd say green lantern corps, because there so much more variety. if you don't want to use green and will power, you can use red and anger. alien police have a lot more things to choose from

Hey Chris I didn't vote against you last week!
But I am gunna have to vote against you this week. Even IF we acknowledge the existence of medichlorians, The Jedi do take it upon themselves to travel around the Galaxy doing good instead of being ordered to. I'm actually not too sure about the ring choosing the the next lantern versus being born with the power to use the force. With the Green Lanterns the ring makes sure you're worthy BEFORE you get the power, but they can be wrong. While force powers and being indoctrinated into the Jedi order isn't really a choice (The younglings are selected when they're what 10?6? Yeah they're capable of making an informed decision at that age) once they become Jedi they do have to make a conscience effort to STAY good.

If you can forget Mitochlorians you can forget the Ryan Reynolds film. I think that's only fair.

Oh yeah, the Green lanterns and their creators are totally noble, I mean tearing out someone's internal organs and personality to replace them with robotics and a power battery to act as their internal police is totally justifiable.

And the Manhunter robots? Stroke of genius!

/Sarcasm.

Is it just me, or did half of Chris' arguments in this one consist of repeating the phrase "The Green Lanterns are much more noble, much more noble" over and over?

I know why I enjoy these. My friends and I would debate like this on these sort of issues.

I gotta go with the Jedi. They, ideally, maintain a presence of nobility and lack of emotion to protect the galaxy. We always think of Jedi as warriors, but they are also diplomats. It's entirely possible for Jedi to act as mediators in any conflict. And both sides will accept this because Jedi are renowned for their judgement and incorruptibility.

And to anyone who brings up Anakin, I will bring up Sinestro.

TheFederation:
i'd say green lantern corps, because there so much more variety. if you don't want to use green and will power, you can use red and anger. alien police have a lot more things to choose from

No, you can't, because then you aren't in the Green Lantern Corps, you're one of the other colored ring powered corps (in this case red). But Green Lanterns can only use green and will power.
The Red Lantern Corps is pretty evil and enemies of Green Lanterns.

When George Lucas dies and someone else gets to tell Star Wars stories the Jedi might have a chance. But as long as George is in charge midichlorians are a thing. Also, you can't point to Luke Skywalker as your perfect example because, as per George, he's not the main character of the series. The Star Wars film saga is the story of Anakin Skywalker and as such, he is the prototype Jedi by which the order much be judged.

Sorry Kyle, you're stuck with George Lucas on your team, so you lose.

Someone on Facebook mentioned Sinestro as being the Vader of the Green Lanterns. I was surprised that they didn't mention how... oh... Hal Jordan massacred the entire Green Lantern Corps and blew up countless planets on his own without any reasonable provocation! Not that he's more evil than Vader or anything... *dodgy eyes*

Then they retcon'd him as being possessed by the spirit of fear... in the words of Yoda, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

It is my belief that Yoda wasn't talking strictly about the suffering of others. He wasn't warning Anakin about the innocents who will be victimized. He was warning Anakin of the suffering that all souls feel as they succumb to darkness. Vader killed many innocent Jedi, and his soul suffered for it. He spent most of his remaining days trying to ease his guilt. He was haunted by his actions every moment. The only way he could cope was to keep moving forward, convincing himself that the results would eventually justify the means. They never did. This is a noble journey of self discovery.

Hal, on the other hand, never truly faced any consequences for his actions. DC magicked it all away.

These arguments aside, this is an interesting topic. Despite how the previous paragraphs sound, I'm not certain that Jedi are more noble than Green Lanterns. Just that Anakin is more noble than Hal or Sinestro. The religious fanaticism is a point that rang true with me.

I feel like Chris made a better argument and should have won, although you could out argue Chris with my above points.

Saltyk:
I know why I enjoy these. My friends and I would debate like this on these sort of issues.

I gotta go with the Jedi. They, ideally, maintain a presence of nobility and lack of emotion to protect the galaxy. We always think of Jedi as warriors, but they are also diplomats. It's entirely possible for Jedi to act as mediators in any conflict. And both sides will accept this because Jedi are renowned for their judgement and incorruptibility.

And to anyone who brings up Anakin, I will bring up Sinestro.

You bring up Sinestro, I'd suggest Parallax instead.

Of course, there's only one reason that Chris should have won, but he forgot to bring it up.

SamBargeron:
Someone on Facebook mentioned Sinestro as being the Vader of the Green Lanterns. I was surprised that they didn't mention how... oh... Hal Jordan massacred the entire Green Lantern Corps and blew up countless planets on his own without any reasonable provocation! Not that he's more evil than Vader or anything... *dodgy eyes*

Then they retcon'd him as being possessed by the spirit of fear... in the words of Yoda, "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

It is my belief that Yoda wasn't talking strictly about the suffering of others. He wasn't warning Anakin about the innocents who will be victimized. He was warning Anakin of the suffering that all souls feel as they succumb to darkness. Vader killed many innocent Jedi, and his soul suffered for it. He spent most of his remaining days trying to ease his guilt. He was haunted by his actions every moment. The only way he could cope was to keep moving forward, convincing himself that the results would eventually justify the means. They never did. This is a noble journey of self discovery.

Hal, on the other hand, never truly faced any consequences for his actions. DC magicked it all away.

These arguments aside, this is an interesting topic. Despite how the previous paragraphs sound, I'm not certain that Jedi are more noble than Green Lanterns. Just that Anakin is more noble than Hal or Sinestro. The religious fanaticism is a point that rang true with me.

I feel like Chris made a better argument and should have won, although you could out argue Chris with my above points.

There's a interesting thing to the "religion" of the Jedi. We can call it that because even Star Wars referenced it as such. I remember playing in one of the KOTOR games, I got an interesting robe late in the game. Now, I read the "flavor text" that explained how it came from an ancient civilization of Force sensitives. It explained how they saw the Force as a tool, and did not see it in a religious aspect. The civilization eventually destroyed itself. This kinda implies that by not respecting the power of the Force, people can do great evil and self-destruct. I just remember it because it was very interesting.

There's no point here. You just reminded me of something interesting.

vxicepickxv:

Saltyk:
I know why I enjoy these. My friends and I would debate like this on these sort of issues.

I gotta go with the Jedi. They, ideally, maintain a presence of nobility and lack of emotion to protect the galaxy. We always think of Jedi as warriors, but they are also diplomats. It's entirely possible for Jedi to act as mediators in any conflict. And both sides will accept this because Jedi are renowned for their judgement and incorruptibility.

And to anyone who brings up Anakin, I will bring up Sinestro.

You bring up Sinestro, I'd suggest Parallax instead.

Of course, there's only one reason that Chris should have won, but he forgot to bring it up.

To be fair, if he had brought up Batman at all, he would have won. Just because Batman.

Jedi at least have limits to their power. Green lanterns can blow up planets and/or make them.

Furthermore, Anakin is a bad counterpoint to the jedi since.....the jedi said no. The jedi order was like, "This kid gonna be crazy and evil." Qui-gon and eventually Obi-Wan were just like, "What's the worst that could happen?"

Regardless, the Noblest of orders is clearly the Thundercats, because cats are noble. Especially when they have swords.

Do you want to go with the Green Lanterns, and gain a ring which allows you to make your imagination manifest?

Or do you want to join the Jedi, gain a glowy sword, and become an emotionless robot, because every single feeling you have (love, hate, happiness, sadness) is inevitably a path to the Dark Side?

Tough choice.

Well, the Green Lanterns have the most awesome weapon in the universe, but they're under the control of a bunch of little blue nitwits that are out of touch with reality (ooohh I see what you did there Geoff Johns!) and apparently using the rings is very draining. Plus there's the yellow weakness (I missed a few issues, is that still a problem for people besides Hal?).

Force powers are always fun, with the high jumping and the lifting stuff and the throwing people across the room without touching them. Though to be honest the concept of a sword that can cut anything kinda frightens me, especially if I'm in charge of building it.

I'd go with the GL ring. Worst case scenario there is I get possessed or eaten by a giant yellow space bug that embodies fear. I think that outweighs having my entire existence altered by a git that can't just let great things be.

Green lantern corp? Really? Why didn't you pick ninja's or samurai or something? Even terrorists or the fucking SITH would be a better choice. I am, btw starting to like this show a lot more as it goes on.

As a final note: The history of Star Wars is filled with conflicts that are started by jedi going corrupt and joining the darkside, Revan and Anakin being the most famous ones. Sure the jedi code wins in the end, but it keeps going bad, so something must be wrong with it somewhere... Right?

GL Corps by a mile. In terms of powers, responsibility, effectiveness, and nobility, GL have a much better control of policing the galaxy than the Jedi ever were.

During the Old Republic years, the Jedi were a complete mess. The Sith were winning, people didn't want the Jedi's help and almost every "master" I encountered in KoTOR & KoTOR 2 were elitist pricks who were too scared to come out of hiding while Revan and the Exile came and kicked the Sith's ass.
Also, Revan and the Exile weren't Jedi. They turned their back on both the Jedi & Sith because they knew neither would bring stability to the Galaxy.

In terms of nobility, think about this: Whenever a GL went rogue, they are deemed not fit to wield their ring and would be taken immediately. Sinestro & Jordan: 2 rogue GL.
One in five Jedi become Sith. Think about that.

stupid? no silly yes and the answer is GLC with no doubt even though the litlle blue munchkins are TERRIBLE at their jobs (not telling their lanterns a lot of important stuff... see this months GLC #4)

Green Lantern Corps are powerless against Lemons.

Even Cave Johnson knows what to do with Lemons.

But where in all this do the stonecutters fit?

That's the real issue.

FilipJPhry:

In terms of nobility, think about this: Whenever a GL went rogue, they are deemed not fit to wield their ring and would be taken immediately. Sinestro: 1 rogue GL.
One in five Jedi become Sith. Think about that.

Friends don't let friends become Jedi.

Only you can prevent Sith outbreaks.

Both groups have their evil exception. Green Lantern Corps has Sinestro, Jedi has everyone who has been tempted to and joined the Sith. Only difference is Sinestro went off and started his own not-so-noble group, the Sinestro Corps (or the Yellow Lanters, whichever you want to call 'em) and the Jedi's evil counterpart has always been around. I think I'd have to give it to the Jedi, though, since in the new 52, the Guardians are rapidly becoming the most evil bastards in the universe, according to what I hear.

However, could you imagine this guy with both a ring and a lightsaber?
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Alright, let me weigh in on my opinion on this thing.

Okay, first off, they both take some pretty nasty measures in recruiting. That being that, greenlanterndom is forced while Jediism is indoctrination.

However, Entering the green lantern corp you literally don't have to do much of anything even remotely objectionable, some pretty standard heroics, while joining the jedi involves a pretty strict philosophy, which as you know, had some negative consequences.

On that same note, being a jedi is a burden, while being a green lantern, due to their less defined nature, can be very much an opportunity, it gives you powers you can actually use, which tends to be a lot better on their members.

Moreover, the jedi order lies about their methods. They preach about nonviolent solutions and yet their first resort when faced with a problem is to shove a sword up its ass. The GLC is both decidedly open about their violent nature and less brutal than the jedi order.

So yeah I'm gonna have to go with the GLC on this one.

White lantern =/= good, it is life... white lantern scarecrow O.o yah.. good?
Green is more noble lol, it has more gray area to do good, and there have been jedi to corrupt their powers and think they are better then others, and noble is more like u are picked, and yet u do not care...

theheroofaction:

However, Entering the green lantern corp you literally don't have to do much of anything even remotely objectionable, some pretty standard heroics, while joining the jedi involves a pretty strict philosophy, which as you know, had some negative consequences.

In fact, the Jedi practically embody the notion that all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. of course, in this case it's more good men, women, and small green things, but still.

I don't know as much about the Green Lantern corps, but they always seemed to at least be more proactive than the Jedi.

Moreover, the jedi order lies about their methods. They preach about nonviolent solutions and yet their first resort when faced with a problem is to shove a sword up its ass. The GLC is both decidedly open about their violent nature and less brutal than the jedi order.

I think that's more bad writing than anything else. And Lucas' short attention span. "Okay guys, I just wrote this brilliant political analogue to the PATRIOT ACT, now let's do some swordfighting! PEW! PEW! NYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

leviadragon99:
Oh yeah, the Green lanterns and their creators are totally noble, I mean tearing out someone's internal organs and personality to replace them with robotics and a power battery to act as their internal police is totally justifiable.

And the Manhunter robots? Stroke of genius!

/Sarcasm.

Yes because they totally do that without the persons consent.

Uncool Christina Ricci dig! Ok, so her head might be slightly disproportionally big compared to her body, but she's tiny, and what a head and what a body!

The_root_of_all_evil:
Green Lantern Corps are powerless against Lemons.

Well, the Green Lantern movie pretty much proved that! :-)

I knew the moment I saw the question who would win, however I was hoping for the Green Lanterns. Being a Jedi is basically just an in-universe turning on of all the cheats. While Lanterns aren't significantly better, they at least require willpower and intelligence to use their powers. Jedi just need a clear mind or some such stupid.

The Great JT:
Both groups have their evil exception. Green Lantern Corps has Sinestro, Jedi has everyone who has been tempted to and joined the Sith. Only difference is Sinestro went off and started his own not-so-noble group, the Sinestro Corps (or the Yellow Lanters, whichever you want to call 'em) and the Jedi's evil counterpart has always been around. I think I'd have to give it to the Jedi, though, since in the new 52, the Guardians are rapidly becoming the most evil bastards in the universe, according to what I hear.

However, could you imagine this guy with both a ring and a lightsaber?
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If that guy himself imagines that he has a lightsaber... I don't know what would happen.

All I can say is thank you DC for not giving Booster Gold a power ring. Ever.

Samuel L Jackson

Purple Lightsaber

Argument over

hmm, i like the jedi more honestly.

The Jedi are strict and i think that's where they cause a loot of their problems. they have to many rules. the lock down on emotions is something that people have a very hard time with, and being good and in the light doesn't require killing off your emotions like the jedi think. however i also see just WHY the do it to. the do it because people like Vader exist. he whole romance with Padme could have worked out but emotions like fear for the future got the better of him.

going by Revan and Jolee Bindo, you can love and feel emotion, but know the dangers and what to avoid. that's entirety a personal quest that require knowing yourself, who you are and what you could become given the wrong choices. and is a difficult policy to teacher to a whole order. which is why the order chose to just make you detach yourself from the emotions, avoid the whole messy issue altogether. which obviously is not going to work with some people and when your dealing with people like force users going evil has a lot more danger in it for the galaxy.

This is insane. First of all, Kyle totally undermines his own argument. In the movie, just as in the comics, Hal actually CHOOSES to be a Green Lantern, to fight for truth, justice and the Green Lantern way--NOT because some old dude said he was born to be a jedi and he had no choice.

Second, even when Hal went all psycho Darth Vader and killed every other Green Lantern to become the supervillain, Parallax--in the comic book version, not the yellow blob pale ripoff of FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER movie "cloud" version of Galactus--even then, he sacrificed his own life to save Earth and the universe in Zero Hour. What did Darth "Annie" Vader do that was noble? Kill some old dude that was attacking his son--nowhere close to noble, not even within ... twelve parsecs.

Chris, you were robbed! Recount! RECOUNT!

-- Ken from Chicago

P.S. And every Green Lantern can match the telekinetic powers of the jedi, create their own lightsabers or a million of them if they feel like it, and even withstand jedi mind tricks because they are trained to strengthen their willpower to be a weapon.

I'm gonna go with... Jedi using Green Lantern rings.

Because that sounds ridiculously awesome and overpowered.

The Great JT:
However, could you imagine this guy with both a ring and a lightsaber?
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I haven't kept up too much with him, but how many different colored rings did he ever have?

I know green, yellow, and red, but has he had any other colors too?

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