No Right Answer: Han Solo vs. Indiana Jones

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Han Solo doesn't have a hat. Indy wins in my book.

Guys, you made a factual error. You claimed there was some 'fourth indy movie' or something. I can claim with certainty that there is no such thing.

Personally I gotta go with Indy if for no other reason than the fact that he does, indeed, have a personal theme song that kicks in every time he starts kicking ass. The things he's done and seen, the places he's been to, the ancient relics he's recovered...that is a VERY impressive resume. What does Han have under his belt? I'm a smuggler. I smuggled the rebels out of Tatooine and off the Death Star. I played second fiddle to Luke so he could take his shot to blow up the first Death Star. I ran half way across the galaxy and still ended up getting caught by the empire. Perhaps the only real feather in his non-existant cap is that he technically brought about the death of Boba Fett....by being blind and turning around aimlessly while holding a pole and accidently bumping Boba into the pit. When you REALLY sit down and think of it...Han Solo only does 4 crucial things in the entire series: Get'em off Tatooine, Get'em off the Death Star, and he saves Luke's life twice (against Darth during the trench run and again on Hoth). Other than that he's more just around for the ride and the one-liners.

And now for some responses:

DVS BSTrD:
Tough choice, but I'm gunna have to go with the one who shot first ;)

To be fair, Jones does have a "Jones Shot First" moment in his movies. Can't remember if it's Raiders or Last Crusade, but at one point he's in a middle eastern town. A guy jumps out with a scimitar and doees a buncha fancy ninja-ish movies to show what a badass he is with the sword...to which Jones just pulls out his gun and shoots him. :3

Lyndraco:
I would personally give this one to Han Solo, for all the reasons that have been mentioned. My issue with Indiana Jones is that he's a terrible representative for archaeology (he is, after all, a grave robber, treasure hunter, and looter). I can enjoy the Han Solo character without feeling guilty, whereas when I watch Indiana Jones all I can do is cringe at the bad 'archaeology' that is being done. As a character he is cool and smart, but completely unrealistic. While it is conceivable that a rogue space pirate gun slinger may exist, you would not find an archaeologist with a PhD (such as Dr. Jones) out looting tombs. They would get blacklisted and never allowed to work in the field again.

You seem to be missing the key difference between a grave robber and an archaeologist. The Nazis were the grave robbers, they sought to plunder those ancient treasures for their own personal gain. Any time Indiana was after an artificat, it was so he culd put it in a museum...which is what archaeologists do. He never intended to sell them or keep them as personal trophies, anything he brought back with him was turned in to the proper authorities. Granted, the vast majority of archaeologists probably don't get chased by giant spherical boulders or run afoul with an ancient Indian cult or bust open the floor of a library to find an crusader's tomb (that one I actually will give you as being non-archaeologist-like behavoir...can't really go around bustig holes in people's floors), but all in all he's performing his actions for non-selfish reasons, so he's not a simple grave robber.

Now if you're putting them both to a morality test, Han Solo was by definition an outlaw. He was a space smuggler who broke the law so his clients wouldn't have to themselves. Granted by the time the Rebels pick him up we get to see him change from hard-nosed space smuggler to a smooth and very handy rebel leader, but before that he was a criminal.

Drazi:
John McClane has been beat up far more.

:P I was gonna bbring this up as well. For that matter, can anyone name five movies in which Bruce Willis plays the lead role and DOESN'T end up wearing a filty/blood covered whitebeater as he limps and hobbles after the main bad guy?

K_Dub:
Han Solo doesn't have a hat. Indy wins in my book.

I've gotta say that I agree with your logic there.

Harrison ford was practically the same character in every movie hes ever been in. The different names are irrelevant. I for one suggest that Ford is actually a timetraveling traveling secret agent working under Jesus, and all the different movies have the same person.

(The Escapist censorbot didn't like my original post, so I decided to boil it down to see if it gets censored.)

Why Han Solo > Indiana Jones...

"Kingdom of Crystal Skull":Indiana Jones::Jerry Sandusky:Joe Paterno

If Indiana Jones had retired one year/film earlier ("Last Crusade") he would have gone out at the high point of his career. But because they had to make one last film, they irreparably ruined Indiana Jones' reputation.

RJ 17:

You seem to be missing the key difference between a grave robber and an archaeologist. The Nazis were the grave robbers, they sought to plunder those ancient treasures for their own personal gain. Any time Indiana was after an artificat, it was so he culd put it in a museum...which is what archaeologists do. He never intended to sell them or keep them as personal trophies, anything he brought back with him was turned in to the proper authorities. Granted, the vast majority of archaeologists probably don't get chased by giant spherical boulders or run afoul with an ancient Indian cult or bust open the floor of a library to find an crusader's tomb (that one I actually will give you as being non-archaeologist-like behavoir...can't really go around bustig holes in people's floors), but all in all he's performing his actions for non-selfish reasons, so he's not a simple grave robber.

My rebuttal: archaeology is only partly about the artifacts, its more about where those artifacts came from. As an archaeologist myself, I could provide an entire lecture as to why Indy is not an archaeologist, but basically, putting artifacts into a museum does not make one an archaeologist. That said, if archaeology was really this exciting and badass, I would never have a problem getting funding!

Lyndraco:

RJ 17:

You seem to be missing the key difference between a grave robber and an archaeologist. The Nazis were the grave robbers, they sought to plunder those ancient treasures for their own personal gain. Any time Indiana was after an artificat, it was so he culd put it in a museum...which is what archaeologists do. He never intended to sell them or keep them as personal trophies, anything he brought back with him was turned in to the proper authorities. Granted, the vast majority of archaeologists probably don't get chased by giant spherical boulders or run afoul with an ancient Indian cult or bust open the floor of a library to find an crusader's tomb (that one I actually will give you as being non-archaeologist-like behavoir...can't really go around bustig holes in people's floors), but all in all he's performing his actions for non-selfish reasons, so he's not a simple grave robber.

My rebuttal: archaeology is only partly about the artifacts, its more about where those artifacts came from. As an archaeologist myself, I could provide an entire lecture as to why Indy is not an archaeologist, but basically, putting artifacts into a museum does not make one an archaeologist. That said, if archaeology was really this exciting and badass, I would never have a problem getting funding!

Well that's where you get into Indy's background story as a college professor. He already put in his time with real archaeology which is why he is so very knowledgeable about ancient civilizations and artifacts. We just don't see him doing hours of research on a subject. With the exception of Holy Grail, Indy already knew everything about the artifacts he was after. When the government was worried about the Nazis getting the ark, they came to Indy due to his expertise on the matter. He had to get that knowledge from somewhere, my guess is from proper archaeological studying. When "Shiva" causes Indy to "fall from the sky" so that he might liberate the beleaguered Indian people, he already knew the legend of their sacred stones. Granted Indy's father was the one that knew everything about the Holy Grail, but Indy never claimed to be an expert on that subject.

The point is, I agree with you whole-heartedly: what is depicted in the movies is most specifically NOT real archaeology, however given Indy's wisdom in the matters of ancient civilizations and artifacts, it can be assumed that the character has put in his time doing proper research and study. All in all I was originally just trying to say that Indy isn't a grave robber, they steal for their own personal gain, Indy doesn't.

The "You owe me one" and he meant it' line killed me! Hilarious!

Indy all the way--I don't like Ford's derp Han Solo haircut

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