Game of the Year 2011

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leet_x1337:

Omnific One:

leet_x1337:

Guess what? Skryim is so praised by everyone there's no way future historians will see it the same way as the gaming press and critics these days. Just like Duke Nukem Forever was panned mostly due to 12 years of excessive media-generated hype and didn't hold up, Skyrim won't hold up in future generations due to the excessive fan- and critic-generated hype right now.

That is one of the worst comparisons I think I've ever heard. One is pre-release hype, one is post-release hype. Those are so incredibly different.

To people who haven't played it yet, it's still hype and it's still unlikely to live up to it.

Perhaps, but one set of hype is actually based on about 10 million customers and glowing reviews across the board, while the other was based on marketing.

Hungry Donner:
Most of these points fit me as well. The game I've played the most this year is TF2, a game I didn't play before it went F2P. But it's weird to call a game from 2007 one of my top games of the year. :)

I also logged a ton of hours into Minecraft, but then it struck one of my major gaming pet peeves: food requirements. And suddenly all of my enthusiasm was lost. I told myself I'd grab a mod that removed this once the final version was out, but I've been busy playing Skyrim since then, and when I take a break it's been for short games like Amnesia and Left 4 Dead (another Valve oldie I've only just tried).

As much as I love Skyrim I suspect Portal 2 would have been my top choice if it had a nice challenge mode. But after months of waiting for it we get . . . . the ability to play any of the levels with stats? No Valve, I'm looking for challenging puzzles. I was willing to overlook their absence in Portal 2 because the story was phenomenal and I was having too much fun to care that the puzzles were on the easy side. But I really hoped the challenge mode from the first game would return or be improved upon, instead of waiting for a watered down version.

You're right, that is... scarily similar to mine :P Right down to the food ruining MineCraft!

Though I still think I would've preferred Skyrim - I know we're both Elder Scrolls fanboys from your Mod status on the other side, so hopefully you'll understand when I say I haven't enjoyed a game this much in over 9 years ;)

RedEyesBlackGamer:
Having a game-breaking issue on the PS3 is more than a nitpick.

Do you like StarCraft, with its horrible N64 port? Do you like Call of Duty, with its horrible DS port? Do you like any game on the Orange Box, with their horrible PS3 ports?

I'm not saying that it should be ignored - it was a terrible thing for Bethesda to have let in to the final product. But people rate games on their personal experience, not anyone else's. And it is not unique.

Honestly, with the travesty that is PC porting with most games, it's a little hard for me to side with anyone who says that Skyrim is a bad game because of the PS3 lag.

leet_x1337:

SirBryghtside:

leet_x1337:
Before I opened the article, I just knew you were going to keep praising Skyrim as the best game ever made, despite its numerous flaws (among them not one but two bad ports and the bugs in all three versions.) Either I'm psychic or every single game critic ever thinks that Plan 9 from Outer Space couldn't possibly be a better movie.

Because Azura forbid that a game has flaws! What's your favourite game, by the way, so we can poke a million and one holes in that? OK, fine. You hate it. Well done, your opinion is obviously better than everyone else's. Have a bloody sticker.

Guess what? Skryim is so praised by everyone there's no way future historians will see it the same way as the gaming press and critics these days. Just like Duke Nukem Forever was panned mostly due to 12 years of excessive media-generated hype and didn't hold up, Skyrim won't hold up in future generations due to the excessive fan- and critic-generated hype right now.

So your argument against Skyrim being praised is that Skyrim is being praised.

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No surprise. Why was Portal 2 not a nominee? Seriously.

I'd be ok with Skyrim taking the award if it was a fun game. Sadly, the sub-par combat (First Person Melee has come a long way with Condemned, Dark Messiah, and Zeno Clash), tedious menus and UI, dull characters, abundance of fetch quests, and useless mechanics like horses (Bethesda clearly hasn't played Red Dead Redemption) and shop vendors with limited money really bring it down for me.

I put 20 hours into it, never going back. It doesn't have a single quest to rival Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood. For a game that encourages freedom in an RPG, there's barely any choice compared to the likes of Deus Ex Human Revolution. It really was the most mediocre of the RPGs released in 2011. Can't believe people excuse all of that because it's a big game. Quality over quantity, any day for me.

I gave my prize to The Binding of Isaac. Goty 2011 <3

Dark souls was my personal favorite of the year, I just couldn't get immersed in Skyrim.

Meh, Skyrim doesn't deserve it. Having actually played it a bit now, I'm not really impressed with anything beyond the environments.

The only appeal I can draw from it is its unfamiliarity relative to Oblivion and Morrowind, which helps the appeal to exploration a bit.

Omnific One:
Perhaps, but one set of hype is actually based on about 10 million customers and glowing reviews across the board, while the other was based on marketing.

SirBryghtside:
So your argument against Skyrim being praised is that Skyrim is being praised.

I have nothing against praise - in moderation. What's happening is that none of the 10 million fans of the game bring up the flaws, and almost all the reviewers pass them off as token. Which is not something everyone will be able to do.

Here's the thing: do you guys want to know a game that was even more deeply flawed than Skyrim?

Personally, my 2011 GotY was Batman: Arkham City. I've sunk more time into that masterpiece than I have with a video game in a long time.

...and I used to play WoW.

leet_x1337:

Omnific One:
Perhaps, but one set of hype is actually based on about 10 million customers and glowing reviews across the board, while the other was based on marketing.

SirBryghtside:
So your argument against Skyrim being praised is that Skyrim is being praised.

I have nothing against praise - in moderation. What's happening is that none of the 10 million fans of the game bring up the flaws, and almost all the reviewers pass them off as token. Which is not something everyone will be able to do.

Here's the thing: do you guys want to know a game that was even more deeply flawed than Skyrim?

Yup. Totally in denial about those flaws over here.

SirBryghtside:

leet_x1337:

Omnific One:
Perhaps, but one set of hype is actually based on about 10 million customers and glowing reviews across the board, while the other was based on marketing.

SirBryghtside:
So your argument against Skyrim being praised is that Skyrim is being praised.

I have nothing against praise - in moderation. What's happening is that none of the 10 million fans of the game bring up the flaws, and almost all the reviewers pass them off as token. Which is not something everyone will be able to do.

Here's the thing: do you guys want to know a game that was even more deeply flawed than Skyrim?

Yup. Totally in denial about those flaws over here.

Exception, not rule.

leet_x1337:

SirBryghtside:

leet_x1337:

I have nothing against praise - in moderation. What's happening is that none of the 10 million fans of the game bring up the flaws, and almost all the reviewers pass them off as token. Which is not something everyone will be able to do.

Here's the thing: do you guys want to know a game that was even more deeply flawed than Skyrim?

Yup. Totally in denial about those flaws over here.

Exception, not rule.

Then we're in agreement. I have the opinion that everyone who considers Skyrim to be a perfect game is an absolute moron. Planning on doing a review once I've done my third playthrough (psycho-lesbian-stealth-ninja). And that's just reminded me of a thread I was going to do. Hooray!

SirBryghtside:

leet_x1337:

SirBryghtside:
Yup. Totally in denial about those flaws over here.

Exception, not rule.

Then we're in agreement. I have the opinion that everyone who considers Skyrim to be a perfect game is an absolute moron. Planning on doing a review once I've done my third playthrough (psycho-lesbian-stealth-ninja). And that's just reminded me of a thread I was going to do. Hooray!

Well, that wasn't suddenly pulled out of nowhere. Also, earlier I was talking about Oblivion, which got even higher scores across the board than Skyrim did.

leet_x1337:

SirBryghtside:

leet_x1337:

Exception, not rule.

Then we're in agreement. I have the opinion that everyone who considers Skyrim to be a perfect game is an absolute moron. Planning on doing a review once I've done my third playthrough (psycho-lesbian-stealth-ninja). And that's just reminded me of a thread I was going to do. Hooray!

Well, that wasn't suddenly pulled out of nowhere.

My sarcasm detector is beeping.

Also, earlier I was talking about Oblivion, which got even higher scores across the board than Skyrim did.

...and? I disliked Oblivion, second worst in the series, only losing out to Arena (no one seems to remember that 5 = 3 + 2 with TES). But a lot of people enjoy it, and while I can point out why I personally dislike it as an addition to the series, it does not make anyone else less right.

The mark of a truly incredible game game isn't one that's near-perfect like Portal, or VVVVVV. Much better is the game which has flaws that the fans can look over. We're not blind, just accepting.

And I had my first lock-up on Skyrim yesterday after 100 hours of play. Personal experience, not worldwide.

Assassin Xaero:
This is the reason why I never cared much for GOTY awards popularity contests. Dragon Age 2, the sequel to the worst game I ever had to force myself to finish (which from play the demo and what I've heard, DA2 is even worse than DA:O) gets "honorable mention", while my three favorite games of the year (Rage, Duke Nukem Forever, and Bulletstorm) are no where on the list. Oh well, not like the awards make the games better or anything, I still get to have my fun with games that I actually enjoy.

DNF was one of your favorite games? Your opinion is invalidated as you obviously suffer from severe brain damage.

leet_x1337:

Omnific One:

leet_x1337:

Guess what? Skryim is so praised by everyone there's no way future historians will see it the same way as the gaming press and critics these days. Just like Duke Nukem Forever was panned mostly due to 12 years of excessive media-generated hype and didn't hold up, Skyrim won't hold up in future generations due to the excessive fan- and critic-generated hype right now.

That is one of the worst comparisons I think I've ever heard. One is pre-release hype, one is post-release hype. Those are so incredibly different.

To people who haven't played it yet, it's still hype and it's still unlikely to live up to it.

If they have't played it yet, like me, they likely don't give a crap about the hype and thus have relatively average expectations of it. Clearly the vast majority of people who play this game are having an amazing time playing it, which if millions of people having a blast isn't a qualifier for game of the year, I don't know what is.

And yes, in 50 years after someone has played nothing but ultra-realistic virtual reality games on the iNINBOX-8000PS between fending off giant, mutant cockroach attacks, yeah, Skyrim isn't gonna wow them. Just like the people who play Star Fox now aren't really impressed by Mode 7 polygons as much as we were back in the early 90s.

Also, don't you see a difference between years of "The trailers make it look amazing!" and "I've put 500 hours into this game and it's amazing!"? Do you base the enjoyment of a movie or a meal on what you heard about rather than what you actually experienced? Man you must be the most suggestion-able human on the planet if you can be talked out of what you actually felt based on what you heard before hand. I could serve up some re-fried cow crap but if I talked it up before putting it before you, you'd swear it was the greatest meal you ever ate.

Sylveria:

leet_x1337:

Omnific One:

That is one of the worst comparisons I think I've ever heard. One is pre-release hype, one is post-release hype. Those are so incredibly different.

To people who haven't played it yet, it's still hype and it's still unlikely to live up to it.

If they have't played it yet, like me, they likely don't give a crap about the hype and thus have relatively average expectations of it. Clearly the vast majority of people who play this game are having an amazing time playing it, which if millions of people having a blast isn't a qualifier for game of the year, I don't know what is.

And yes, in 50 years after someone has played nothing but ultra-realistic virtual reality games on the iNINBOX-8000PS between fending off giant, mutant cockroach attacks, yeah, Skyrim isn't gonna wow them. Just like the people who play Star Fox now aren't really impressed by Mode 7 polygons as much as we were back in the early 90s.

Also, don't you see a difference between years of "The trailers make it look amazing!" and "I've put 500 hours into this game and it's amazing!"? Do you base the enjoyment of a movie or a meal on what you heard about rather than what you actually experienced? Man you must be the most suggestion-able human on the planet if you can be talked out of what you actually felt based on what you heard before hand. I could serve up some re-fried cow crap but if I talked it up before putting it before you, you'd swear it was the greatest meal you ever ate.

Argumentum ad hominem; everything you just said is now invalid.

SirBryghtside:
We're not blind, just accepting.

Is that going to keep happening after Call of Duty's bubble bursts and large fantasy RPGs with bad QA testing become the industry's most overused trend?

Sylveria:

Assassin Xaero:
This is the reason why I never cared much for GOTY awards popularity contests. Dragon Age 2, the sequel to the worst game I ever had to force myself to finish (which from play the demo and what I've heard, DA2 is even worse than DA:O) gets "honorable mention", while my three favorite games of the year (Rage, Duke Nukem Forever, and Bulletstorm) are no where on the list. Oh well, not like the awards make the games better or anything, I still get to have my fun with games that I actually enjoy.

DNF was one of your favorite games? Your opinion is invalidated as you obviously suffer from severe brain damage.

So me having an opinion that is different that others and me being able to understand that different people like different things (unlike some people) means I have brain damage? No, I think you are the one with brain damage. This might be a bit much for your weak mind to handle, but I also really liked Dirge of Cerberus.

Pretty disappointed to find the two games I thought were the best (Portal 2 and Batman) only in the honourable mentions but oh well... to each his own I guess. Nice read.

PS Where's Rayman? I loved that game!!

While Skyrim deserves the game of the year stamp. I've put some 50 hours into that game and I am far from finished and I'm enjoying every moment of it. Also I think Dragon Age 2, shouldn't have made even the mentions list. The game was so lazily designed, I had to force myself to finish it. The 4 or 5 locales, which kept repeating over and over again, the quests, which started out of nowhere and finished with a "thank you" from a NPC with zero context. Escapist liked the story and I beg to differ, while the main story arch was good, there were details that were unreasonably left out, such as the head of the city guard going crazy because of the red staff. Worst of all most of the quests had failed to move the story foward.

I would have much rather seen LA Noire making the honorable mentions list. All around it was a much more complete game than DA2 and the overall experiences was more immersive and enjoyable.

Comparing games of different genres is rarely useful, but I still cringe when a masterpiece of it's genre like Arkham City is put along side a complete turd of another genre, like DA2.

Dark Souls should have topped Skyrim though. Those action-RPGs can be compared. Most importantly, challenging combat vs unresponsive and dull combat.

Skyrim was my GOTY until it started running at 5fps on my PS3.

Glad Infamous 2 is on here since it is probably my goty.(still have to beat Deus Ex:HR and Batman:Arkham City. If those games improve in their second halfs they might take its spot.)

Seriously though, why are so many people butthurt over this?

LobsterFeng:

Trishbot:
Once again, the game my PS3 refuses to play wins a GOTY award.

So is it really that bad? I've been thinking about buying it, but all I have is a PS3.

OT: I really liked Skyward Sword, despite what people on this site may say. I'm glad it's at least up there in the list. I'm also glad Arkham City got an honorable mention.

Don't do it.
This is a PSA: If your only option to play Skyrim is on the PS3, don't waste the 60$. Buy something else.

Sonic Doctor:
Dragon Age 2
...
the party members actually feel like real people but unique from each other.

You know, I'm happy that this thread exists. Because now I have something to link whenever someone says that DA2 had good characters, writing, or storytelling. Tragically, it was locked before its time and we will never get the chance to see the thrilling conclusion.

Assassin Xaero:
This is the reason why I never cared much for GOTY awards popularity contests. Dragon Age 2, the sequel to the worst game I ever had to force myself to finish (which from play the demo and what I've heard, DA2 is even worse than DA:O) gets "honorable mention", while my three favorite games of the year (Rage, Duke Nukem Forever, and Bulletstorm) are no where on the list. Oh well, not like the awards make the games better or anything, I still get to have my fun with games that I actually enjoy.

So, you despised Dragon Age: Origins and your favorite games' list includes Duke Nukem Forever? Well I'm not sure any GotY Awards list is for you, really. Anyways, Portal 2 should have been in the nominees section. Instead being in the same category as Dead Island. Funny how THAT game was penalized for bugs, and yet...

Portal 2 was in my opinion the best game of the year, closely followed by Rayman Origins. Speaking of which, WHERE THE FUCK IS RAYMAN ORIGINS?!!

Motakikurushi:
Aaaand no mention of Uncharted 3? That's quite astounding. Did anybody at the escapist apart from Yahtzee play this title? Did we just forget this game exists? I don't care if it doesn't grab the GOTY award from every website (Gametrailers already did that), and Skyrim is very good, but at the very least mention it. Give the game some credit. It's not even my GOTY, Rayman Origins is, for being the least predictable and surprisingly great title to come out this year.
I have all these nominated games, and yeah, it's great Bastion keeps getting nominated as best indie game, but I would like somebody to show some love to The Binding of Isaac as a potential runner-up. I have yet to stop playing that game.

Uncharted 3 had a very weak story, which brought the game down a lot for me. Although I totally agree with you on Rayman Origins - that game was brilliant.

josephmatthew10:

Assassin Xaero:
This is the reason why I never cared much for GOTY awards popularity contests. Dragon Age 2, the sequel to the worst game I ever had to force myself to finish (which from play the demo and what I've heard, DA2 is even worse than DA:O) gets "honorable mention", while my three favorite games of the year (Rage, Duke Nukem Forever, and Bulletstorm) are no where on the list. Oh well, not like the awards make the games better or anything, I still get to have my fun with games that I actually enjoy.

So, you despised Dragon Age: Origins and your favorite games' list includes Duke Nukem Forever? Well I'm not sure any GotY Awards list is for you, really. Anyways, Portal 2 should have been in the nominees section. Instead being in the same category as Dead Island. Funny how THAT game was penalized for bugs, and yet...

And yet again, someone quoting me who can't seem to read. I never said Duke Nuke Forever was one of my favorite games, I said it was one of my favorite games OF THE YEAR, which was a rather shitty year for gaming at that. And people keep acting like I said it was the greatest game ever. I can't even think of 5 games I really liked enough to play again (well, Red Faction Armageddon and possibly Dead Island in addition to the above mentioned games).

Dead Island may be a little buggy, but I'm really enjoying it. Portal 2 was a complete let-down in my opinion. It was decent and funny, but in terms of a puzzle game, then puzzles were never challenging. They were just about to get there, then it would switch to a new section and back to the super basics. Hmm... and now more people will come and spew some shit about how I'm brain damaged because I disliked yet another popular game. Can't really even think of a popular "good" game I liked last year (haven't tried Bastion yet).

Kahunaburger:

Sonic Doctor:
Dragon Age 2
...
the party members actually feel like real people but unique from each other.

You know, I'm happy that this thread exists. Because now I have something to link whenever someone says that DA2 had good characters, writing, or storytelling. Tragically, it was locked before its time and we will never get the chance to see the thrilling conclusion.

And what was that suppose to do, show me the way? Open my eyes to possibly see that Dragon Age 2 is in some way awful writing?

Yeah, no.

I did my part, I got though the first page of that thing, considering the first page was pretty long. I can safely describe the creator of that thread as a comedic-troll that creates nitpicking drivel. That was the worst attempt at comedy and game complaining/bashing I have ever read. It didn't even scratch or leave dust on my thoughts on how good the story and characters of DA2 are.

I mean seriously, that guy thought that saying that lines sounded like lines written by Joss Whedon was a diss. I would consider it a compliment, since Whedon created one of the greatest science fiction television series of all time, Firefly.

Reading that joke of a thread, it does open my eyes, but it opens them even more to the fact of the great troll-ness level that most DA2's detractors seem to have. Boiled down to it this is basically their thoughts on the matter:

The story and game doesn't go the way they want, so obviously it is universally bad, and everybody else that likes it and thinks it is good is wrong and factually wrong to the point that we must prove it to them constantly with a bunch of opinions that we believe as facts.

--

I graduated from college as a writer; it is what I do. And with that training, I find nothing inherently wrong with the DA2 story telling. There is no truly wrong way to tell a story, just varying degrees of proper and improper construction, and differing opinions on said story.

My opinion on the story is just that, my opinion. It is neither wrong nor right, it just is. Though I will briefly say that Dragon Age: Origins had some of the worst written party characters I have seen. The majority of them were cliche, and cliche in the same ways. They were closed off and broody and then once the player worked on them, they all opened up like pinatas and revealed their deepest darkest secrets and habits, and then the player worked at it and changes them all for the better. Bleck!! What dreck!

SilverUchiha:
That was fuckin' predictable. I was really hoping you guys would surprise me on this one.

Damn it, why can't you guys go out on a limb and not pick something that every other person and critic thinks is the best game this year.

In all seriousness Skyrim is my #2 game for this year (after Arkham City), but three is a reason why so many people like this game, and I don't see the problem with someone picking a game that many other people say the same thing on. It could be it's a good game and everyone thinks so.

Sonic Doctor:

Kahunaburger:

Sonic Doctor:
Dragon Age 2
...
the party members actually feel like real people but unique from each other.

You know, I'm happy that this thread exists. Because now I have something to link whenever someone says that DA2 had good characters, writing, or storytelling. Tragically, it was locked before its time and we will never get the chance to see the thrilling conclusion.

And what was that suppose to do, show me the way? Open my eyes to possibly see that Dragon Age 2 is in some way awful writing?

Yeah, no.

I did my part, I got though the first page of that thing, considering the first page was pretty long. I can safely describe the creator of that thread as a comedic-troll that creates nitpicking drivel. That was the worst attempt at comedy and game complaining/bashing I have ever read. It didn't even scratch or leave dust on my thoughts on how good the story and characters of DA2 are.

I mean seriously, that guy thought that saying that lines sounded like lines written by Joss Whedon was a diss. I would consider it a compliment, since Whedon created one of the greatest science fiction television series of all time, Firefly.

Reading that joke of a thread, it does open my eyes, but it opens them even more to the fact of the great troll-ness level that most DA2's detractors seem to have. Boiled down to it this is basically their thoughts on the matter:

The story and game doesn't go the way they want, so obviously it is universally bad, and everybody else that likes it and thinks it is good is wrong and factually wrong to the point that we must prove it to them constantly with a bunch of opinions that we believe as facts.

--

I graduated from college as a writer; it is what I do. And with that training, I find nothing inherently wrong with the DA2 story telling. There is no truly wrong way to tell a story, just varying degrees of proper and improper construction, and differing opinions on said story.

My opinion on the story is just that, my opinion. It is neither wrong nor right, it just is. Though I will briefly say that Dragon Age: Origins had some of the worst written party characters I have seen. The majority of them were cliche, and cliche in the same ways. They were closed off and broody and then once the player worked on them, they all opened up like pinatas and revealed their deepest darkest secrets and habits, and then the player worked at it and changes them all for the better. Bleck!! What dreck!

You gotta read the whole thing for the true experience, man.

(And it's interesting to me that while you have no issues finding the weaknesses in Bioware writing in DA:O, you have a harder time finding the exact same writing problems in DA2 - particularly because they are generally considered more glaring in that game.)

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