Escape to the Movies: Red Tails

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Marmooset:
I totally got the point of that seven part series.

The point is Plinkett likes to f*** his cat.

And may occasionally murder prostitutes, but for all we know they were perfectly willing to be chained up in his basement (if we ignore all the stuff at the very end).

Abandon4093:
The actual character concept could be quite interesting. It's just never been handled well, at all.

First off, she's an Amazonian warrior that just happens to dress like she's entering a miss America pageant. I mean seriously, that armour is ludicrous. It's not even the rule of skimp that bothers me. It's the fact that she's from a Greek myth but wares what is essentially a star spangled banner onesy, complete with tiara. She's also got an invisible plane and a lasso that makes people tell the truth. Also bullet deflecting bracelets.

She is just a poorly conceived character and has no relevance today. They would need to give her a complete reboot for her to even make sense.

You might be interested in the idea "Dresden Codak" creator Aaron Diaz came up with for her. Both the design and the revised characterization.

cricket chirps:
Why a review for this and not the new underworld movie...or haywire....? :c I was looking forward to one of those.

(A) He says right in the credits that the new Underworld movie wasn't screened for critics, so he hadn't gotten a chance to see it in time for the review
(B) Probably he thinks this is a more "significant" film that needs propping up and Haywire is more of a popcorn flick that'll get plenty of viewers anyway - and/or that there's not much to say about it other than he liked it and thinks you will too.

Steve the Pocket:

Abandon4093:
The actual character concept could be quite interesting. It's just never been handled well, at all.

First off, she's an Amazonian warrior that just happens to dress like she's entering a miss America pageant. I mean seriously, that armour is ludicrous. It's not even the rule of skimp that bothers me. It's the fact that she's from a Greek myth but wares what is essentially a star spangled banner onesy, complete with tiara. She's also got an invisible plane and a lasso that makes people tell the truth. Also bullet deflecting bracelets.

She is just a poorly conceived character and has no relevance today. They would need to give her a complete reboot for her to even make sense.

You might be interested in the idea "Dresden Codak" creator Aaron Diaz came up with for her. Both the design and the revised characterization.

That's freaking brilliant. I love all of those revisions. But that's exactly what I'd think of a character with her backstory. I especially love the stone look to accentuate the 'made out of clay' story line.

Thanks for the link.

Pallindromemordnillap:

Sovvolf:

wowthisishard:
Would be an alright review if you didn't needlessly jump in pre-emptively to attack people who (in the case where it's relevant, in other words the Star Wars franchise) take the only sensible position on the matter. By forcing the issue, you only make yourself look like a massive jackass.

As much as I like to stick up for Movie Bob on most issues... Yeah I got that feeling too. Yeah, they'll be a few butthurt fans of the other movies (I'm one of them) however, I'd like to remain objective and view a movie based on its own merits and not who was behind it. Instead I've already been preemptively attacked for hating the movie because I refuse to acknowledge the existence of the Star Wars prequels

No, he wasn't saying you're a dick if you disavow the prequel trilogy and will therefore automatically hate this movie, he's saying if you are automatically hating on the movie because you're the sort to disavow the prequel trilogy then you are a dick.
Hope that clears it up, though as I have mildly confused myself with that run-on sentence I doubt it :P

I get what your trying to say don't worry on that one. Just, the opening was more of "For you naysayers of the prequel trilogy, don't be bringing up gungans ect or the use of CGI in this movie"... Roughly.

Sort feels like, its assumed that because I don't like the prequel trilogy I'm going to jump straight down this films throat over it. Which I ain't, while who makes a film can effect my expectations of the film (If a director is on a role with making good movies, I'll expect good things, if not then I'll be a little iffy) that doesn't mean I'm going to go into the movie seeking to hate it or I'm going to drag the film down for it. Its a separate movie in a separate series, judge it by its own.

Again, I defend MovieBob a lot and he's one of the few shows I watch on this site, however that... I felt was a little uncalled for.

I honestly cannot think of a more effective way to ensure tons of comments in some way relating to Star Wars.

Anyways, Red Tails seems like it's worth seeing, so I'll check it out. The social issue is important, and I like dogfights (metaphor!) in films.

By the way; I remember watching Stephen Fry talking about how several bar fights between soldiers started in the UK during the war, over the fact that the bars weren't segregated, and in which the majority of Brits present would side with the African-Americans. (It was on some episode of QI, I can probably find the exact one if I search a lot...) However, seeing as this came from a Briton, and he didn't name a source, I was wondering if anyone else had heard about this?

Also: sorry, but can anyone tell me what the seven part series thing briefly mentioned is? Seemed kinda important to that section of this video...

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

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What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

I think he meant as in back when all the other WWII movies were made, shortly after or during WWII.

Some day, i will travel to the US and test your drinking water for creativitydestroying bacteria.

Again Nazis ?
Really, it is time some country commits a warcrime with AT LEAST 100 Million innocent dead civilians, so someone else then Nazis can be the bad guys.

Pallindromemordnillap:

maninahat:
I wish Bob would just stick to reviewing the movie, instead of reviewing the audience. Once again, he insults our intelligence by panning the general public. he paints them in broad strokes, depicting a vaguely defined group of people (that may or may not include you) as a bunch of whining cry babies/jocks/elitists/brainless mob who are not doing things the way Bob would prefer. There are places for soap-boxing, and that place shouldn't be within a five minute review. At least, not when it is totally irrelevant to the film, yet takes up more space in the review than the film itself.

Bob, I don't care if you noticed that some people dismiss George Lucas out of hand. You do not get any medals for talking about them, you don't win points for admonishing them, and you won't convince anyone by jeering at them like a smart arse.

He's not panning the 'general public' he's panning people who dismiss the movie purely because it has George Lucas involved and they don't like the stuff he'd done recently.

Aren't they one and the same?

Joking aside, I am well aware what he is panning. I don't think I've ever met a single person who's claimed that they won't see Red Tails because it had something to do with George lucas. Even if they are out there, who cares what they think? Besides Bob, I mean.

I say general public, because sohe has complained about so many different groups of people who get on his nerves, he has probably covered most general public by now. Today it is people who dismiss George Lucas. previously, it was stereotype Madden/COD/Halo fans. Or jocks. Or "hardcore" gamers. Or just whatever large bunch of people who have gotten on his nerves and require being talked about at great excess. My main point was that they aren't relevant, so I'd wish he'd stop wasting our time boxing strawmen and stick to the subject.

Was actually hoping for Underworld, so glad the message was put in at the end. First was great, second was pretty good, but I thought the third sucked. Doubt the new one can be as bad as that one was.

Anyway, little on topic part, this movie did look pretty good, but I doubt I'll watch it until it is out for rental...

Bob is such an idiot. Fanboyism isn't just yelling for the sake of yelling. We once liked the things we're now yelling at. It's the betrayal and the stupidity that we hate.

Look at Plinkett's review of the Prequels for proof. THAT is how a review is made.

Rogue 09:
Bob is such an idiot. Fanboyism isn't just yelling for the sake of yelling. We once liked the things we're now yelling at. It's the betrayal and the stupidity that we hate.

Look at Plinkett's review of the Prequels for proof. THAT is how a review is made.

Pretty sure reviews are made however the reviewer wants them to be made. And yes Fanboyism is just yelling for the sake of yelling. Nothing in the prequel trilogy was nearly as bad as all of the so called "fanboys" make it out to be, Gungans? Nothing wrong with them just another race in the SW universe. Jar Jar? Annoying? Yeah, but so was C3P0. Boy Anakin in 1, bad actor? Sure, but lets face it so was Mark Hamill. The complaint that is was more kid friendly? The Galaxy was under the control of a benevolent, or as benevolent as any democratic government can be, government and it wasn't nearly as dark a time as the Empires reign. I will give the "fanboys" Han shooting first though

Rogue 09:
Bob is such an idiot. Fanboyism isn't just yelling for the sake of yelling. We once liked the things we're now yelling at. It's the betrayal and the stupidity that we hate.

Look at Plinkett's review of the Prequels for proof. THAT is how a review is made.

Think you might have missed the reference and the point there sport. The 7 part review he was talking about? That was the Plinkett reviews and one of the complaints that I agree'd with was that people just use his reviews as justification for hating those movies rather based on their own legitimate reasons.

I have watched them and Plinkett made some very legitimate points however, its better to watch them yourself's and make your own opinion about them. That's not to say you should completely blank out those points, what he made I did agree with. Just you should watch the movies and come up with your own.

I have my own reasons for disliking them and believe it or not Ja Ja isn't in them.

Red tails looks exciting and action packed but it doesn't look as dramatic or as realistic as the Tuskegee airmen movie that came out awhile ago. I appreciate the endeavor and I do like seeing Cuba working in a nice movie (he's not that bad an actor really!) but I'm one of those people who can get there fill once and I already saw this movie back in history class.

Ended up checking out Haywire instead of Red Tails, will probably end up seeing the fighter plane movie later on on Bob's recommendation.

Haywire: lots of great actors, an otherwise interesting story and one major drawback: the female lead Gina Carano. Carano is pretty, she's a good fighter who can do her own stunts and she definitely comes across as a lady who can kick your ass when she wants to. Unfortunately, she's not nearly as good an actor as pretty much anybody she ends up on the screen with.

Instead of what the script seemed to call for: a story of lost love, betrayal, divided loyalties and guessing who's on what side, what we get is the story of a very talented woman with no special emotional attachment to anyone trying to stay alive. It's not bad, but it's just not very good and absolutely forgettable. The fight scenes, which taken on their own terms were pretty good, could not save the film because there just were not enough of them as compared to the stuff that, instead of coming off emotional, just fell flat.

How did you forget about Gina playing Natasha in Red Alert 3 but could put in a photo of her role in American Gladiators?

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

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What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

I still have no idea how MovieBob could do the entire review without ONCE mentioning the movie about the exact same characters, with the same basic plotline, and starring the same lead actor.

He could just have been trolling all of us, of course.

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

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What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

Sorry but TV MOVIES don't count.

I'll go off-topic for now then swap ontopic mid way.

I hate the prequels, I hate the special editions, but I hate them specifically for being both bad films and making old films worse with shoddy editing and pointless shots. Thing is they are the FUN kind of bad. I could actually watch Star Wars RotS with the Rifftrax on and laugh and enjoy myself. With transformers 3? no such luck even with the Rifftrax, it was painful as a media student, painful as a transformers fan, painful as just someone who wanted to watch a movie.

That all has absolutely shit all to do with Red Tails, which actually looks pretty good, and hey, it's a movie about black people without shoehorning in a white lead because 'white people wouldn't watch a movie about black people where they aren't all goofs' I'm definitely going to give this a watch, I got a Village Gift Card for free anyway so it's not like I can't see a movie.

I actually find it surprising that Bob didn't bring that up in the movies favor. It's a movie about black people, where Will Smith isn't the lead, and they aren't shoehorning in any white sympathy characters. I tip my hat to thee Red Tails.

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

He's referring to a movie made for theaters.
Also "in the days" probably refers to back when Clint Eastwood and John Wayne were doing all those WWII movies and about the only black person you saw was in the Dirty Dozen.


So I don't think he was fucking kidding you...

I'm really glad this movie got made. Those men were real heroes. They still have one of the best records of any fighter squadron ever.

I hope its at least as good as "Battle of Britain" :D

Oooh, Moviebob just told off the prequel haters and made a Plinkett reference. He has just replaced Jim Sterling at the top of my respect list.

It takes a lot to make me want to see a movie, so needless to say, I won't be seeing this one. Not because it's made by Lucas, a film's director/producer/whatever have little bearing on my opinion of a film, I'm just not into historical war movies.

Indignator:
Yeah, I am sick and tired of Bob's nerd-baiting routine.

I find it both annoying and funny in a weird way. When he gets in that mode he sometimes belittles opinions I hold with the reasoning that anyone who holds opinion X must be a "fanboy" of franchise Y. I think it's twice now he's called me a fanboy of something I either didn't know existed or didn't care about.

For a moment, I thought that the We Need To Talk About Kevin poster was actually a poster for Elfen Lied. Damn...

Nerdstar:
thank you bob for finally saying what iv been feeling for forever! enough with the Lucas bashing!!! we get he made some changes to his movies and made a couple of less then stellar prequels. I'm just so sick of being able to predict with godlike accuracy that when eve hes brought up someones going to bitch about him and make jokes about him playing with his "junk" and making bad movies that stopped being funny(if they ever were) years ago! are we so jaded and angry that we cant remember the good things he gave us? seriously?!?!!?

The Lucas bashing comes from the fact that the man was revolutionary, then became mediocre. For some back in the day, Star Wars was the shit. Now in days, it got so CGI'd and lost its magic because he kept releasing it and changing things, such as adding the words 'mediclorian' to the end of many sentences for little to no purpose.

To make a better sense of this, you don't see other revolutionaries of his time releasing the same movie again but with HD 3D effects, or changing their past works. Lucas obviously learned how to milk a franchise, and as much as I hate to say it, the franchise lost lots of value because of the milking. Theres a limit to how long you should milk, and Lucas did it so much that he literally milked the cow until its bones dried up.

Abandon4093:

Also I think the bit with you raging about nerds raging was too hypocritical. Even for you.
Almost inception hypocrisy. A rage about a rage within a rage.

RAGECEPTION!!

Well, thanks Bob for extending the review to dwell on Lucas hate without actually looking at arguments aimed towards Lucas. But hay, how else are you going to make the review about 5 minutes? [Trollface]

Anyways, thanks for reviewing this movie.

Oh no did i see that poster near the end right? there is gonna be a abortion movie bleh

BanicRhys:
Oooh, Moviebob just told off the prequel haters and made a Plinkett reference. He has just replaced Jim Sterling at the top of my respect list.

It takes a lot to make me want to see a movie, so needless to say, I won't be seeing this one. Not because it's made by Lucas, a film's director/producer/whatever have little bearing on my opinion of a film, I'm just not into historical war movies.

Damn, you're missing out on some great films. Saving Private Ryan, Kingdom's Heaven (Director's Cut), Thin Red Line, Platoon, Red Cliff, Braveheart, Spartacus, and so on.

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Zhukov:
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

You liked the Underworld movies?!

My head is hurting just trying to absorb that notion.

Kate Beckinsale is fucking hot ok? Leave the man alone!

Moeez:

BanicRhys:
Oooh, Moviebob just told off the prequel haters and made a Plinkett reference. He has just replaced Jim Sterling at the top of my respect list.

It takes a lot to make me want to see a movie, so needless to say, I won't be seeing this one. Not because it's made by Lucas, a film's director/producer/whatever have little bearing on my opinion of a film, I'm just not into historical war movies.

Damn, you're missing out on some great films. Saving Private Ryan, Kingdom's Heaven (Director's Cut), Thin Red Line, Platoon, Red Cliff, Braveheart, Spartacus, and so on.

Okay, well I have seen Saving Private Ryan because of its popularity and Red Cliff because I like Dynasty Warriors and they were pretty good.

Jesus, now that I think about it, I've seen a lot of historical war movies that I like, I guess I'm just racist or something.

Fappy:

Zhukov:
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

You liked the Underworld movies?!

My head is hurting just trying to absorb that notion.

Kate Beckinsale is fucking hot ok? Leave the man alone!

Bob doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between a movie that has a hot woman in it and a genuinely good movie.

And sometimes he goes in the other direction and can only talk about the hot women in a genuinely good movie. Remember when he licked his lips over the lesbian scene in Black Swan for several minutes rather than talk about anything else about that film?

I heard about the "We Need To Talk About Kevin" movie and all I can really say is "meh". The book was okay, but I don't really see it as fimworthy considering that it was an epistolary novel and I didn't really see it translating visually very well without losing that first-person emotional torment of the narrator.

I liked the Underworld movies... mostly, the second one had a few drawn out parts and the third kind of buged me. We knew exactly what was going to happen and yet they kept trying to make it tense. The big Werewolf vs Vampire mashup at the end was banging though.

What so you're saying half of this movie isn't about robots we don't care about, fighting clones we also don't care about? And the other half isn't about two dull characters exchanging poorly written dialog between each other while standing still, sitting on a couch or walking slowly behind a blue screen all filmed in basic shot reverse shot like a frikken 90's soap opera? Well then Red Tails might be something for me after all, at least it looks mostly like it could be "real" :).

And for the folks who still feel the need to defend the prequels by trying to justify many of their big or small flaws I think you people are missing the big picture. The movies where not only bad because of some flaws, plot holes or because they had a single very annoying character, films can often have multiple flaws in them but still be considered great movies. No the main reason the prequels often are considered to be mediocre at best are because of the basic movie making mistakes in them, mistakes that any good filmmaker could and should have avoided.

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Everybody got that?

Good now seriously just go and watch the Redlettermedia videos about them. Because when you get past the cheesy jokes you will see that those videos are quite informative and actually provide a very good analys on film in general. They go through various multiple important subjects like characterization, story writing, cinematography, editing, character arch, toning, casting, plots & subplots, the role of a producer, actor, director etc.

It made me appreciate all the efforts that goes into making a good movie a lot more than before and of course gave me a better understanding of why I never really can connect to some films like I can with some others. Why I can easily overlook flaws and plot holes in some movies but not in movies like the Revenge of the Sith.

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Stay cool ;)

Wow, it's only January and we already have two movies worth talking about

Haywire was disappointing. I loved Carano and thought she played the role extremely well, but the rest of the movie just didn't hold up. The pacing was all over the place and the fight scenes, while nicely staged and choreographed, felt really slow and fairly sloppy. The one fight with the no name thug near the beginning after the foot chase was easily the best in the movie mainly because, I'm guessing, it involved a trained fighter in Carano and an actual stunt man as opposed to Carano and an actor. The worst offender of the movie, however, was the sound design. The music was way too loud and intrusive, and the sound effects, particularly during the fight scenes, were awful. In short, see it for Carano and hope she goes on to do more things (even if she ends up as a female Jason Statham) but don't expect much else.

Underworld was the definition of bad ass. There was so much good in the movie that I'll just say the one bad thing. The CGI, particularly as far as the Lycans are concerned, still isn't 100% there in terms of integration with the live action stuff so they stand out a bit. That's it. Everything else was damn near perfect. Oh, well I guess the ending wasn't that great but it just leaves you wanting the next one in the series.

DVS BSTrD:
The marketing for this film seemed rather shallow, glad it doesn't suck.

I have to agree with this. Granted, I only saw one trailer for it, but the one I did see showed pretty much nothing of what Bob speaks about. Still not sure if I'll go see it or not, but I'm very glad to hear it's way more than the garbage the trailer seemed to sell it as.

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