Escape to the Movies: Red Tails

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Aprilgold:

Nerdstar:
thank you bob for finally saying what iv been feeling for forever! enough with the Lucas bashing!!! we get he made some changes to his movies and made a couple of less then stellar prequels. I'm just so sick of being able to predict with godlike accuracy that when eve hes brought up someones going to bitch about him and make jokes about him playing with his "junk" and making bad movies that stopped being funny(if they ever were) years ago! are we so jaded and angry that we cant remember the good things he gave us? seriously?!?!!?

The Lucas bashing comes from the fact that the man was revolutionary, then became mediocre. For some back in the day, Star Wars was the shit. Now in days, it got so CGI'd and lost its magic because he kept releasing it and changing things, such as adding the words 'mediclorian' to the end of many sentences for little to no purpose.

To make a better sense of this, you don't see other revolutionaries of his time releasing the same movie again but with HD 3D effects, or changing their past works. Lucas obviously learned how to milk a franchise, and as much as I hate to say it, the franchise lost lots of value because of the milking. Theres a limit to how long you should milk, and Lucas did it so much that he literally milked the cow until its bones dried up.

sigh...look i'm not denying that there are a shit ton of valid criticisms leveled against george ill be one of the first to admit that "mediclorian" is a dirty word(i just ignore that as cann and im good) and that there are alot of out of place CGI scenes and what have you in there in there, as for the milking part George has cashed in on the franchise quite alot but that still doesn't ruin it for me i still love the watch the original trilogy, i still love to read the expanded universe books, i still love to the the starwars tabletop RPG's and videogames (hell i even like to pop in episodes 2 & 3 occasionally never one thoe that we can all agree on)

im not against criticizing him for bad decisions its just the raw hate im against, when you call the man scum becuse he resles 1 terrible movie and 2 that didn't exactly measure up thats not cool, everyone forgets that without him we wouldn't have starwars in the first place. your opouin/critism is completly vaild and allright its the "haters" that im so tired of thats all..

ImSkeletor:

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

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What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

Sorry but TV MOVIES don't count.

I don't suppose Band of Brothers counts as an epic piece of WWII filmography either, just because it was made for TV?

How is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvYvQcppaU4

Any different than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7djV1APDiB8&feature=fvst

Except that the first had a smaller budget and better acting?

Ok lets start the list: Havent seen much for Haywire, guess marketing dropped the ball. Its great to see a well made, high action movie that not only has a female lead but said lead is a natural badass fighter. Yea her as Diana I can see very well, now DC just needs to beg and plead Joss Whedon to write the script again because we damn sure know they cant write.

Im not going into the George Lucas thing, as Bob said worn out years ago. I was attracted to this movie from the trailers because of the dogfighting and aerial combat scenes. I could tell it was mostly CG but the texture seemed very life like and the very few movies, especially WW2 movies, pay attention to dogfighting or really show fights in depth. That and Terrance Howard :) I'll see almost anything he's in, even if he isnt the star I can't recall a movie he was in that wasnt good.

Really you liked ALL the Underworld movies? I almost gave up on after 2, which was kinda boring IMO and I stopped watching halfway. 3 was excellent, suberb, hell you can make the case that if you put 3, 1, and now 4 together you have a perfect chronological trilogy.

Looks like my weekend schedule will be full of high-caliber action movies, just the way I like it.:) Who knew, three great movies in one month? In January no less. Like I said earlier the Marketing at these studios must suck.

I'm not going to see it. It's not because of Lucas (though he does deserve his own special place in hell for what he did to SW fans) or even the quality of the film itself. It's because as far as I'm concerned, it's just next in a long litany of World War II films.

Between the endless movies, documentaries, video games, ham-handed analogies to the present and political schlock; I just got tired of it. WW2 has been so overdone that I can't muster the enthusiasm for even the best movie about it.

LaBambaMan:

Briney-:

Nautical Honors Society:

EgonCom:

Snooder:

I'm taking bets that on the next Big Picture or Escape to the Movies Bob will lash back at everyone that pointed this out (I include myself in this - for the length of the entire review I was thinking, "What about the one with Laurence Fishourne?"). You know, something like, "Ooh, you know of an obscure made-for-TV movie made almost twenty years ago, and you had to make a post boasting about it? Aren't you a walking encyclopedia of cinematic history."

The trailer for this movie blasted its way into my eardrums a few hundred times, showing explosions and playing obnoxiously horrible dubstep, so I was compelled to despise this movie from the get-go.

Glad it was just their marketing department mucking it up, I plan on seeing this movie now.

LOL MovieBob tells it to them haters

but I definitely want to watch this movie...yea that's all lol
haven't been going to theaters much lately, but it's one that has caught my attention

This seems like a movie I'd like to watch! I've been waiting for a good and honest WW2 dogfight-flick for a good while. I suppose warfilms is my guilty pleasure... I blame my dad.

I mean, back when Battle of Britain was filmed, they had to rely on RC models and whatever functioning wartime planes they could borrow. Now, we've got CGI to fill in those gaps, just like CGI should be used for. I've always wondered why there's been so few efforts at films of that kind.

EDIT: And just because it needs to be said: It's just Star Wars. Even if the prequels are rather bad films, they're not on par with George Lucas personally assassinating your family on Christmas Eve. Why not give him the benefit of a doubt? He might have gotten over whatever bad habits he were on when he did the prequels.

Fronzel:

Fappy:

Zhukov:
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

You liked the Underworld movies?!

My head is hurting just trying to absorb that notion.

Kate Beckinsale is fucking hot ok? Leave the man alone!

Bob doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between a movie that has a hot woman in it and a genuinely good movie.

And sometimes he goes in the other direction and can only talk about the hot women in a genuinely good movie. Remember when he licked his lips over the lesbian scene in Black Swan for several minutes rather than talk about anything else about that film?

I believe I may have the same weakness :(

sailor_960:
George Lucas has my undying respect no matter how many Special Editions he attempts to shove onto shelves. The man is a visionary whose work changed the movie industry for the better. Is he a good director? The jury is out on that one, but he is a brilliant filmmaker. How many other directors out there have actually gone out of their way to create the technology required for their dream project, solely for the purpose of creating said project? The only others that I can think of are James Cameron and possibly Peter Jackson.

I don't think the jury is out on George Lucas' skill as a director, after all, he did direct the original Star Wars, was still heavily involved with the direction of both it's sequels and I don't think theres anything wrong per se with the direction of the prequels. Rather, it is his writing skills which undermine his creative vision and I've said it time and time again: the main reason the prequels are lacking in comparison to the originals (and just in general) is because George Lucas wrote the scripts and the number of re-drafts all on his own.

With the originals he had other writers like Lawrence Kasdan, Leigh Brackett and even his then wife Marcia Lucas (along with big input from Irvin Kershner on Empire), amongst a few others, who helped refine and polish his original scripts into what we see on the screen. With the prequels, it was a different matter entirely and Lucas, solely and singularly wrote the scripts and the re-drafts all on his lonesome with few if any major creative changes in the realms of story or plot or character dialogue and development. In contrast, the current Clone Wars series has had a writing team with different directors for each show giving those besides George Lucas greater creative control when it comes to the most fundamental elements like the story and the characters. That's why the Clone Wars as a whole, in many ways, is better than the films on which it is based and it sounds like, (if reports are to be believed) that the live action series will follow in a similar working veign when it eventually gets made. George is at his best when he is serving as the grand architect whose overall vision ends up on the screen whilst other equally creative individuals work on the more nitty-gritty detailed side of the job to which George (in respect to writing and on his own admission) is not the most proficient in.

Now of course, just because there are other writers doesn't guarentee success but its clear when looking objectively at how the star wars films were made that that is the key factor for the difference of quality of the two trilogies. As for Red Tails, well I guess I've gotta go watch it myself.

Steve the Pocket:

Abandon4093:
The actual character concept could be quite interesting. It's just never been handled well, at all.

First off, she's an Amazonian warrior that just happens to dress like she's entering a miss America pageant. I mean seriously, that armour is ludicrous. It's not even the rule of skimp that bothers me. It's the fact that she's from a Greek myth but wares what is essentially a star spangled banner onesy, complete with tiara. She's also got an invisible plane and a lasso that makes people tell the truth. Also bullet deflecting bracelets.

She is just a poorly conceived character and has no relevance today. They would need to give her a complete reboot for her to even make sense.

You might be interested in the idea "Dresden Codak" creator Aaron Diaz came up with for her. Both the design and the revised characterization.

The made of stone shtick can get fucked, but otherwise that's a solid gold awesome design. Shit loads better than the load of ass the 'creative' team on her for New52 ended up giving her.

I'd also say keep the Lasso of Truth, but that's cos I'm a traditionalist and a big part of her character (apart from the S&M) is 'truth'. Also, ditching the invisible jet has been standard in comics for God knows how long. Last time I remember seeing it played straight was Batman: Brave and the Bold on TV, and I'd remind you this is also the series in which Black Canary, Catwoman and Huntress all sang an (awesome) song about how awesome Batman would be in bed.

I think he's confused Mary Marvel and Ms.Marvel. Captain Marvel has never worn a helmet and a fin on his head that I know of, but Captain Mar-Vel has.

That Starfire redesign is WONDERFUL. I have refused purchase of Red Hood and the Outlaws because of how they treated her. His redesign is that classy sort of sexy. Although I'd make her look older with better defined muscles, cos like Wonder Woman, she's a warrior princess. Possibly throw the royal crest of Tameran on her chest, whatever that might be.

Bob calling out butthurt fanboys and making fun of them for getting riled up over Star Wars?

The irony. It's too thick in the air! Can't breathe!

sailor_960:
George Lucas has my undying respect no matter how many Special Editions he attempts to shove onto shelves. The man is a visionary whose work changed the movie industry for the better. Is he a good director? The jury is out on that one, but he is a brilliant filmmaker. How many other directors out there have actually gone out of their way to create the technology required for their dream project, solely for the purpose of creating said project? The only others that I can think of are James Cameron and possibly Peter Jackson.

I think you might want to read up on that one a bit. Lucas might be a great IDEA man (and even that's debatable), or a genuinely good producer, but he's a horrendous filmmaker. Star Wars was saved by his then wife and her editorial team, who managed to lock Lucas out of the editing booth and create the amazing final product that the film was. Kershner, the actors and the writers had to fight, literally fight it out with Lucas that Empire became the film that it became and by the time Return of the Jedi came around, Lucas kicked Marquand out of the production towards the end to make sure that the Ewoks were introduced because the toy sales would be through the roof.

There is a fantastic book (and online publication) called The Secret History of Star Wars (or something to that effect) which details exactly how much of the Star Wars legacy was done by other people around Lucas, and how Lucas in his bitterness went and wiped them from the records and out of the Ranch to produce the awful, awful films that were the prequels.

Pallindromemordnillap:

maninahat:
I wish Bob would just stick to reviewing the movie, instead of reviewing the audience. Once again, he insults our intelligence by panning the general public. he paints them in broad strokes, depicting a vaguely defined group of people (that may or may not include you) as a bunch of whining cry babies/jocks/elitists/brainless mob who are not doing things the way Bob would prefer. There are places for soap-boxing, and that place shouldn't be within a five minute review. At least, not when it is totally irrelevant to the film, yet takes up more space in the review than the film itself.

Bob, I don't care if you noticed that some people dismiss George Lucas out of hand. You do not get any medals for talking about them, you don't win points for admonishing them, and you won't convince anyone by jeering at them like a smart arse.

He's not panning the 'general public' he's panning people who dismiss the movie purely because it has George Lucas involved and they don't like the stuff he'd done recently. Either you weren't paying attention or you are one of those people and are hurt that someone has dared to point out the folly of your actions

But there's nothing wrong with choosing to not see a movie because of the people involved in it. Do you think he would get pissy at the audience if they chose to not see a Michael Bay movie? If a creator makes crap, it's perfectly logical to stop buying the crap at a certain point.

I haven't seen the film (and won't), but it currently has a 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. This very much seems like Bob is taking the unpopular opinion just to generate some type of controversy to get viewers. Or because he's a dirty fucking hipster, something which I see creep up from time to time.

Hubert South:

The Bandit:
I haven't seen the film (and won't), but it currently has a 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. This very much seems like Bob is taking the unpopular opinion just to generate some type of controversy to get viewers. Or because he's a dirty fucking hipster, something which I see creep up from time to time.

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I don't watch Bob from week to week, so I guess so. I find it hard to take his opinion seriously when he says shit like "KRYPTO THE SUPER DOG MUST BE IN THE NEXT SUPERMAN MOVIE!"

Went to see Red Tails with some friends, and I enjoyed it. Definitely a good movie, I think it could have been great, but it tripped up a couple times, so it is what it is.

What I don't like, is the unneeded bashing of the Plinkett Reviews, I love those things!

EDIT: Double Post.... :\

Really looking forward to seeing this film. It's nice to see a World War 2 movie get released that manages to tackle somewhat weighty ideas (namely, racism in the army during WW2) without revelling almost perversely in the death and destruction (any WW2 movie made post-Saving Private Ryan), and instead going for some good old fashioned Hollywood thrills. Lucas is doing what he does best: harking back to an earlier period of Hollywood, and evoking that era through his own films.

Now regarding the elephant in the room, Mr Lucas himself:

1) Major plus points to Bob for calling out all the Prequel haters and Lucas bashers. There's nothing wrong with not enjoying a film, criticising it, etc. But the level of bile that butthurt fanboys have been spewing out for a decade now is quite frankly unbelievable. Every week we get new topics popping up in the Off Topic section, ranting about how shit the prequels are. Fair play to Bob for highlighting just how ridiculous the amount of hatred getting poured out is. And well played on the Red Letter Media dig: the number of people who think posting a link to those videos is an argument in itself, rather than forming their own opinions...

2) Regardless of what you think of the prequels, Lucas deserves some major respect for getting this movie off the ground. This is an idea he's wanted to do for ages, and when it came to shopping the production around to distributors for financing, none of them would touch it. Why? Because as has been commented "it's an action film with an all black leading cast." Rather than leave it at that, Lucas decided to finance the film entirely with his own money. I already respected Lucas for his philanthropic efforts and huge donations to charity, as well as the fact that all his kids are adopted. Things like that suggest a guy who, no matter what you may think of his work, is fundamentally decent at heart. The fact that he's willing to finance projects out of his own wealth, regardless of what established studios may think, only reinforces that idea for me.

3) The man directed American Graffiti and THX 1138. Any claims that he's a crap director are completely undone by those two films alone.

This is a 5 min review and you don't really say what the movie is about untill we hit the 3 min mark. This is a strange review, almost feels more like a Big Picture than Escape to the Movies.

I think movie bob insulted a lot of his fan base on this one. People dislike george lucas because he's been repeatedly involved in some of the worst big budget movies from the last 15 years. You can't blame people for recognizing patterns. Nerds can definitely be biased quite often, but there's a whole lot of people who will do their best to ignore their personal bias if they can, because nerds tend to be more self aware of their bias once they get out of the 10-15 year old range, and start handling things a bit more maturely.

I was actually quite interested in this movie a few weeks ago, after watching george lucas talk about it on the daily show, but then he started talking about starwars, and this definitely made me rage a little bit. i'll still go see it, but don't assume that everyone in your audience is younger than 16.

sailor_960:
George Lucas has my undying respect no matter how many Special Editions he attempts to shove onto shelves. The man is a visionary whose work changed the movie industry for the better. Is he a good director? The jury is out on that one, but he is a brilliant filmmaker. How many other directors out there have actually gone out of their way to create the technology required for their dream project, solely for the purpose of creating said project? The only others that I can think of are James Cameron and possibly Peter Jackson.

Im pretty sure James just wants the money....

But yeah, i just came back from seeing this and i can say, george lucas deserved NON of the flak he has been getting.
He made a fun film with good characters and a simple yet fun story. it wasnt too cgi heavy and it very little bad things to it and i about teared up at the end (no spoilers)

I hope George doesn't quit the industry yet. he has really good ideas.

Craftybonds:
I think movie bob insulted a lot of his fan base on this one. People dislike george lucas because he's been repeatedly involved in some of the worst big budget movies from the last 15 years. You can't blame people for recognizing patterns. Nerds can definitely be biased quite often, but there's a whole lot of people who will do their best to ignore their personal bias if they can, because nerds tend to be more self aware of their bias once they get out of the 10-15 year old range, and start handling things a bit more maturely.

I was actually quite interested in this movie a few weeks ago, after watching george lucas talk about it on the daily show, but then he started talking about starwars, and this definitely made me rage a little bit. i'll still go see it, but don't assume that everyone in your audience is younger than 16.

um, he's only done the prequels and indianna jones in the last fifteen years, and they are not even a fraction as bad as people bitch about.

No, my friend, people hate lucas because of the dumbest bullshit reasons.
"a special edition of star wars!? HANG HIM!!"
(completely ignoreing that people like James Cameron re released a single movie 6 times in one year and nobody says a damn thing.)

Moeez:

BanicRhys:
Oooh, Moviebob just told off the prequel haters and made a Plinkett reference. He has just replaced Jim Sterling at the top of my respect list.

It takes a lot to make me want to see a movie, so needless to say, I won't be seeing this one. Not because it's made by Lucas, a film's director/producer/whatever have little bearing on my opinion of a film, I'm just not into historical war movies.

Damn, you're missing out on some great films. Saving Private Ryan, Kingdom's Heaven (Director's Cut), Thin Red Line, Platoon, Red Cliff, Braveheart, Spartacus, and so on.

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Replace platoon with Apocalypse Now and FMJ and you got a perfect list.....also, green berets, longest day, and hamburger hill.

Jegsimmons:

Craftybonds:
I think movie bob insulted a lot of his fan base on this one. People dislike george lucas because he's been repeatedly involved in some of the worst big budget movies from the last 15 years. You can't blame people for recognizing patterns. Nerds can definitely be biased quite often, but there's a whole lot of people who will do their best to ignore their personal bias if they can, because nerds tend to be more self aware of their bias once they get out of the 10-15 year old range, and start handling things a bit more maturely.

I was actually quite interested in this movie a few weeks ago, after watching george lucas talk about it on the daily show, but then he started talking about starwars, and this definitely made me rage a little bit. i'll still go see it, but don't assume that everyone in your audience is younger than 16.

um, he's only done the prequels and indianna jones in the last fifteen years, and they are not even a fraction as bad as people bitch about.

No, my friend, people hate lucas because of the dumbest bullshit reasons.
"a special edition of star wars!? HANG HIM!!"
(completely ignoreing that people like James Cameron re released a single movie 6 times in one year and nobody says a damn thing.)

I'm 22. I saw star wars episode I and loved it (when i was 9). i knew about the original trilogy, but had never seen it. 2002 came around, and i saw the episode II and was severely disappointed. i decided to rewatch episode I for funsies, and didn't like it at all the second time around. it was only then that i decided to watch the first three movies, and loved all of them. The first two episodes and most of the third one are awful movies. they have countless plot loopholes, terrible acting, and awful dialogue. Not to mention the ludicrous use of CGI that add nothing to the movies. They were terrible movies long before Mr. Plinkett came around and pointed out everything people hadn't realized themselves.

I'll admit that me stating they were some of the worst movies of the last 15 is quite a bit of an exaggeration, but all four of those movies were undeniable disappointments. Crystal skull not nearly as much as the others (i actually enjoyed the beginning of that movie quite a bit), but my point remains that bob shouldn't go out and assume that everyone and their brother is going to automatically hate this movie regardless of its contents. In fact, from reading a plethora of reviews of this movie by both professional and amateur critics due to my genuine interest in this movie, it sounds like movie bob had a positive bias towards this film before seeing it, out of disliking/hate of the star wars fanboys behavior for the last 10 years. Bob has done this before. Watch his red state review, i've never seen him sound so predeterminedly biased against a film before.

sailor_960:
George Lucas has my undying respect no matter how many Special Editions he attempts to shove onto shelves. The man is a visionary whose work changed the movie industry for the better. Is he a good director? The jury is out on that one, but he is a brilliant filmmaker. How many other directors out there have actually gone out of their way to create the technology required for their dream project, solely for the purpose of creating said project? The only others that I can think of are James Cameron and possibly Peter Jackson.

You forgot Steven Spielberg

Just got back from seeing the film, I'd have to agree with Bob, it is definitely a Rah Rah Military flick, and it probably won't win any academy awards, but I really enjoyed it and recommend it to anyone reading this. (except maybe if you are German)

Indignator:


I'm taking bets that on the next Big Picture or Escape to the Movies Bob will lash back at everyone that pointed this out (I include myself in this - for the length of the entire review I was thinking, "What about the one with Laurence Fishourne?"). You know, something like, "Ooh, you know of an obscure made-for-TV movie made almost twenty years ago, and you had to make a post boasting about it? Aren't you a walking encyclopedia of cinematic history."

Yep, taken that into account :D

gphjr14:

EgonCom:

Boviebob:
"Red Tails" gives Tuskegee Airmen action movie which they never get back in the days...

What about The Tuskegee Airmen?
(and You call yourself a movie critic :P)

He's referring to a movie made for theaters.

and

ImSkeletor:

Sorry but TV MOVIES don't count.

I have two answers to that:
1) Says who? I don't see this rule

?
2) Don't care. "Tuskegee Airmen" was good, so it still counts :P

Based on other reviews going around I will probably give this a miss, at least in theaters.

While I have disliked things that Lucas has done in recent years when I heard about this movie I hoped that it would turn out all right and that the influence of George Lucas would be a positive one and in that sense I'm routing for him (not sure if I spelt that right).

I realize this is late, but this video was terrible, less than half of it was reviewing the actual movie, and if you want to go off on tangents, that is what your second column is for.

Wonder Woman?

Pants To Be Darkened!

One step closer to reaching your quota.

This was the first Movie Bob review I watched.

The thing that struck me was "If you didn't like the prequels you must be a butthurt manchild!"

I believe this will be the last Movie Bob review I watch as well.

geier:
Some day, i will travel to the US and test your drinking water for creativitydestroying bacteria.

Again Nazis ?
Really, it is time some country commits a warcrime with AT LEAST 100 Million innocent dead civilians, so someone else then Nazis can be the bad guys.

Do you have other suggestions for the villains in a movie chronicling the struggle of the first US African American fighter pilot squadron? You know, since they fought in World War II and everything, in the European Theater? Where we were fighting the Nazis?

John Funk:

Do you have other suggestions for the villains in a movie chronicling the struggle of the first US African American fighter pilot squadron? You know, since they fought in World War II and everything, in the European Theater? Where we were fighting the Nazis?

Yeah, I got one.

How about RACIST SEGREGATION POLITICS in the United States??

These men fought for USA but when the fighting was over they went back to society of separate drinking fountains, driving at the back of the bus, Jim Crow laws, and working for a minimum wage.

But of course Lucas isn't gonna do something like that. It's too hard for him. Nazis are so easy. And Lucas is too big of a coward.

So keep stuffing that popcorn down your face and watch the Xplosions.

maninahat:
I don't think I've ever met a single person who's claimed that they won't see Red Tails because it had something to do with George lucas. Even if they are out there, who cares what they think? Besides Bob, I mean.

Yeah, I was disappointed that Bob felt the need to invent this strawman of an imagined Red Tails backlash just so he could go on a rant about anti-Lucas fanboys. If Red Tails had been directed by Lucas himself then maybe,maybe I could see the scenario that Bob depicts happening. But Bob's irrelevant rant about Lucas haters makes it look like he's the one who can't get over the prequels not the critics.

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