The Big Picture: Oscars: The Grouse

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Oscars: The Grouse

Why the Oscar process is "broken".

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Pretty good summary. Actually can't wait to see what you tackle next week.

A Howdy Doody reference? I think you need to watch less TV and Movies Bob.

At first I thought this was going to be all stuff I already knew. I knew that the whole limited-release thing was enough for an Oscar nod, but I had no idea it was that limited. Fascinating. And indeed, unfortunate for everything else. Looking forward to the suggestions next week.

And as always, +1 Internet for for the Double Dare reference. Even more big bonus points could have been awarded had it also included a reference to the other Double Dare (the one with Alex Trebek that no one's ever heard of).

But goodness, what was that awful He-Man knockoff action figure?

LOL, nice Mark Summers referencE! XD

I'm rooting for War Horse for best picture, but I know that's not the most likely candidate to win.

Cars 2 didn't get a nomination, so it looks like it won't be winning the Pixar Awar-er, I mean Best Animated Feature Award.

Meryl Streep will probably win best actress.

Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close Does not deserv it nomination at all! It have a rotten status on Rotten Tomeatos as of this moment and it scream OSCAR BAIT all over it.

Bob, you tease.

Firstly, please stop using The Kings Speech as an example of a film being "Oscar Bait" as it detracts from the fact its a fucking good film. *puts Union Flag away*

While I agree with what you say, I really wish I could blame the studios, but releasing a film right next to when the Oscars are going to be announced means its more likely to be in the mind of whoever votes for these things. I remember listening to a film show a number of years ago where they said they were surprised Crash had managed a nomination because it had been released in the Spring rather then Autumn.

Personally, I think they should show film fans some love during the "Summer Shit" season and re-release older films (older as in "Classics") for those that want to go to the cinema and not see Transformers. A lot of these films are being re-worked to clean up the prints for Blu-ray, so why not give them a limited run to remind people (or show new audiences) that its good and worth buying?

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MacNille:
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close Does not deserv it nomination at all! It have a rotten status on Rotten Tomeatos as of this moment and it scream OSCAR BAIT all over it.

This is the only film on the Best Film list I hadn't heard of this year, and thats a surprise for me as I like to keep up with film news. *runs and checks IMDB* Wow, a 9/11 story 10 years after. No wonder it got a nom. *watches trailer* I think I just got diabetes. Excuse me while I go throw up. After my earlier comment, can you please replace the Kings Speech in every show where you complain about Oscar Bait with this thing. Kings Speech was a great film that just happened to include things the Academy likes where as this film seems to be ticking a checklist on purpose.

I think that you're being somewhat unfair to Oscars.

I mean the descion to not nominate good films this year in favour of nomionating several bad ones is a couragous choice and they should get respect for that alone.

Its at times like this that I wish that The Big Picture had a longer running time. This episode left me feeling unsatisfied, not because there wasn't anything good in it but because it got me really interested in the subject matter and then ended quickly, leaving me wishing that I had got to learn more.

MacNille:
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close Does not deserv it nomination at all! It have a rotten status on Rotten Tomeatos as of this moment and it scream OSCAR BAIT all over it.

While we're at it, it's kind of embarrassing how Max von Sydow, who's been in TONS of the legendary Bergman's films, was nominated for THIS pile of tripe. A big problem is that the Oscars are pretty much lifetime achievement awards a lot of the time (mostly for actors). This just brings up a gigantic question: WHY NOT JUST GIVE PEOPLE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS????? Hell, Kirk Douglas got one in the 90s for how famous he was.

Aiddon:

MacNille:
Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close Does not deserv it nomination at all! It have a rotten status on Rotten Tomeatos as of this moment and it scream OSCAR BAIT all over it.

While we're at it, it's kind of embarrassing how Max von Sydow, who's been in TONS of the legendary Bergman's films, was nominated for THIS pile of tripe. A big problem is that the Oscars are pretty much lifetime achievement awards a lot of the time (mostly for actors). This just brings up a gigantic question: WHY NOT JUST GIVE PEOPLE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS????? Hell, Kirk Douglas got one in the 90s for how famous he was.

I have not seen it (and i will not.) but i have head that he is the only saving grace in the movie. Also, why have not Chirstopher Lee get an lifetime award!?

So why was it called the grouse anyway? Because now ive got the famous grouse tune stuck in my head

BOB USED A SQUIDBILLIES IMAGE. FUCK. YES.

Dammit Bob, you've really got to stop with the cliffhangers.

I wouldn't say Winter is only for Oscar movies.
Its also the season of more family block busters
Like with Avatar release, Tron, and upcoming The Hobbit.
Studios have found the Dec area a good area for the less "Michael Bay-explosion" block busters as it allows them to cash in on the Christmas dollar.

It's the Oscars; You take what you get and pretend you don't see the garbage.

Spacewolf:
So why was it called the grouse anyway?

To grouse is to complain grumpily about something. Bob groused about the Oscars.

I have to assume that's Princess Summer Spring Winter Fall. My sister has a season name and old people used to bring up that character a lot. Meanwhile my name was very similar to a well known actor and I had his theme song sung at me.

Neither celebrity connection was intended with our naming.

Plinglebob:
Firstly, please stop using The Kings Speech as an example of a film being "Oscar Bait" as it detracts from the fact its a fucking good film. *puts Union Flag away*

Not really. It's incredibly cliched, has almost every major Oscar motif/theme/plot device, and it's completely over the top in terms of melodrama. As if we haven't ever seen a film about a rich guy who ends up living a more enriched life by getting the help of someone of another class, or a film about some dude with a "loveable" impediment that he has to overcome in order to achieve something important, etc.

Well your comment on the deathly hallows part 2 review was wrong then.

And here I was expecting some kind of rant against "The Help" being nominated. :-P

I both like and hate the multiple part episodes. I like them because they're a lot more informative than the single part episodes can be, but I hate them for a week (or in the case of the Hollywood History series, three weeks) because I'm left wanting more. Any possibility of doing some longer episodes, like if you had enough material for, say, an eight minute episode?

As for the ridiculously low requirements, that really is a detriment to the audience for the Oscars. I go out of my way to watch movies when I can (is difficult when you're a college student and busy all the time), but I've only seen three of the nominees for Best Picture (Descendants, Moneyball, Midnight in Paris -- note that two of them came out before the Oscar season really started) and my campus has two theaters that show little other than Oscar Bait and other similar specialty movies (Indie and experimental movies are some of their favorites, as well as special midnight showings like Rocky Horror and similar) -- I simply don't have the time to see most of these until well after they come out, usually after the Oscars have happened, and I think that a lot of people have the same problem that I do.

The real question is, how would you fix this problem? I'm at a loss for the moment -- I have no idea right now how I'd suggest you make the Oscars less "broken".

CAPITALISM IS WEEEEEEIRD!

I hate it when he says he's running out of time and it's been less than five minutes. I don't think he's limited to any less than 10 minutes and even that seems too short.

Cineplex Odeon, one of the big Canadian theatre chains, seems to understand this. They've started one-off Classic Film nights, letting you see Hollywood Classics on the big screen (just saw The Godfather last night), and are currently running their "Digital Film Fest", an opportunity to see some much loved 80s films in theatres. I think it's brilliant--January to April is usually the worst time of year for movies, so bring people in to watch things they actually love.

Aiddon:
While we're at it, it's kind of embarrassing how Max von Sydow, who's been in TONS of the legendary Bergman's films, was nominated for THIS pile of tripe. A big problem is that the Oscars are pretty much lifetime achievement awards a lot of the time (mostly for actors). This just brings up a gigantic question: WHY NOT JUST GIVE PEOPLE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS????? Hell, Kirk Douglas got one in the 90s for how famous he was.

I know exactly what you mean. Scorsese gets his Oscar for The Departed, a good remake but not Goodfellas or Raging Bull. Denzel gets his for Training Day, an excellent performance but no Malcolm X. Beginners is fairly well-regarded, but is it the film Christopher Plummer should get his "lifetime achievement" Oscar for?

I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?

Mischlings:
The real question is, how would you fix this problem? I'm at a loss for the moment -- I have no idea right now how I'd suggest you make the Oscars less "broken".

I've love to see MovieBob's thoughts on this as well. Unfortunately when it comes to Best of the Year awards people have often forgotten the first 4-6 months of the year so I rather understand why all of the Oscar-bait gets released in such a short time frame.

An idle thought, but what if the year was split into four-month periods, and a third of the nominees (at least for the major awards) had to come from each period? I think this would promote a more disperse release schedule without allowing for too much (more) abuse in that regard.

I really don't get why there isn't an honest awards show for movies. Because thinking about it, you'll get the MTV movie awards that pander to the tween crowds and have the newest Twilight saga film win every year and then have the Oscars where something really dull with a checklist of "themes" will win despite [b]nobody[/i] even knowing what that film is.

Something like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 despite being well received, both critically and financially (being the ninth film to ever to gross over $1 billion), and earning so many other awards will never be considered for an Oscar. Despite meeting all the requirements, because it doesn't tick all the boxes that the Academy wants, it won't be up for best picture. Sure, it's nominated for best art direction, visual effects and make-up but is that all the credit it's being given? Because really, after reading that bit about Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, I can think of no other film that deserves less to be on that list when I compare it to Harry Potter.

By the way, I'd like to point out that there were so many other great films last year but Harry Potter was just that one that I can't think deserved anything less than a nomination for Best Film.

Very nice, Bob. I've always just skipped the show ever since they stopped featuring movies I would ever want to see as winners or even nominees, but it's good to see just how and why all these 'craft for awards committees' sake' (as opposed to art for art's sake, in case you were wondering) movies get made and released right around a time I might have actually wanted to go to a theater.

really?
1 week, in 1 city to be considered for an Oscar?
really?
wow ... -.- no wonder shit i wouldn't ever watch keeps winning...

I admit that the small time movies do deserve attention and props, but that seems ridiculous with how the movies only need to run for 1 week in 1 theater in order to be accounted for an oscar. Seems like a scam or sneaky sort of business deal to me but that's paranoia I believe.

Anyhow, good job teaching us more useful stuff Bob... yet I wish we didn't get these cliffhangers. Makes me want to see the next episode even more- OOohhhhh, I see what you did there. Nice.

I will say, I'm somewhat proud of this years Oscars as Bridesmaids of all movies got a couple of "big" nominations for best supporting actress and best original screenplay. It won't win either, but still.

Oh, wait. Jonah Hill's been nominated for best supporting actor. That pride didn't last long.

PunkRex:
I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?

Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.

Crimson_Dragoon:
I will say, I'm somewhat proud of this years Oscars as Bridesmaids of all movies got a couple of "big" nominations for best supporting actress and best original screenplay. It won't win either, but still.

Oh, wait. Jonah Hill's been nominated for best supporting actor. That pride didn't last long.

PunkRex:
I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?

Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.

Wow really!? I actually watched some last year and forgot about TS3, you give me happy thoughts, thanks guy.

Good to know Bridlemaids got some love to, that film was glorious.

Crimson_Dragoon:
Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.

Nominations, perhaps, but, as with Beauty and the Beast way back (which led to the creation of a new category for animated films), neither really stood a chance of winning.

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