The Big Picture: There Will Never Be Another Watchmen

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There Will Never Be Another Watchmen

You may as well stop asking about it.

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I agree with your opinion about the ending of Watchmen. To me it made more sense to do that, instead of the other thing. The other thing seemed a bit too dismissable, though, that's probably not important, considering how it ends with that thing that gets found by those guys.

It's not that they shouldn't make the prequels because it's Alan Moor's characters.
They shouldn't make the prequels because it's Watchmen.

I am not going to be buying it EVER, but I didn't read that many comics anyway. :/

The prequels are a stupid idea, because everything you needed or wanted to know about any of the characters was already there in the original work.

The book's ending made more sense in the grand scheme of things.

Casual Shinji:
The prequels are a stupid idea, because everything you needed or wanted to know about any of the characters was already there in the original work.

I agree. To me, the problem with more Watchmen is not that is some kind of blasphemy (as many comic books fans will regard), its that is redundant. The more defining points on the arc of each character are already covered in the original comic book... there is no need to revisit the past of the characters without also risking to create plot holes with the original work (since we already know who lives/dies, get together/separated, etc)

Casual Shinji:
The book's ending made more sense in the grand scheme of things.

I agree with that statement. However without the grand scheme actually being brought into the already long movie, the movie did provide the best ending it could.

As for MovieBob's statement about new characters, big companies, and comics I'm going to partially disagree. You won't find a lot of new material in DC and Marvel comics, but you can find all kinds of unique characters if you go looking for comics on your own. Of course, odds are you would have to turn to the internet, but you can find them.

On the subject of the ending change in the movie vs. the comic: Yeah, the movie one makes more sense in a thematic context, but not really in a logical context. I'll continue my post under a spoiler covering:

But, I will say that in translating the book to the movie, that ending change was necessary to keep it from going too long, and was probably the best solution Hayter and Tse could have come up with.

Another tick in agreement from me on the movie.

And there's one other thing that I think the movie did right in its adaptation: removing the clock motif (or at least making it more subtle). The clock in Watchmen is a symbol that links Manhattan's powers (the ability to perceive time) with his background (he wanted to be a watchmaker), Cold War concerns about MAD ("The Doomsday Clock"), and the sense that everyone was no longer had control over their destinies. It works really well in the graphic novel, but you really couldn't translate that subtle iconography into a movie.

Well... that's ultimately rather depressing, unfortunate that internal politics in the comics industry seem to be a large part of what's preventing a successor to Watchmen... and hell, what's screwing over a lot of comics in general.

To my mind the comic ending worked better in the comic as there was more room to flesh it out then in the movie where it would more likely just come out of no where. All in all movie probably made the right call on this.

Holy Fuck you did not just say Adam Hughes is a "big talent"

Just GIS "Adam Hughes" and you'll he represents the very worst elements of comic book art since Liefeld

Jae Lee needs WAY more love.

Oh hey, more prequels.

I would have sworn that fad was over by now, but guess I was wrong.

As for the ending issue; I gotta' say I liked the book's ending more. The movie ending ties the characters to it a little more, sure, but to me the pivotal scene when Dr. Manhattan and Silk Specter come back to New York just lacks that "oh my god, the horror!" type of flair the book had. It just didn't have as much of a stomach churning, gut wrenching feel.

Just my opinion, though. The movie is still damn fine.

Lets clarify something here. These prequels ARE about DC trying to make money, as they are a business after all. They ARE NOT about keeping Alan Moore from getting the rights to his characters back. That agreement was based around the idea that the original Watchmen series would, like so many other books from that time frame (ie, the 80s), eventually go out of print. Neither DC nor Moore could have foreseen at that time that Watchmen would become popular enough that it would, effectively, never go out of print.

That said, do I agree with it? Meh, whatever. Don't rightly care either way, actually. Should DC be doing it? Probably not, but that won't stop them. Didn't stop Lucas from making the prequels and writing/directing them himself when he should have played creator/producer for better writers and directors.

Botttom Line: Will I read these books? I'll probably pick up the first issues, I do like some of those writers, after all. Will I continue reading them after the first issues? ONLY IF THEY'RE GOOD.

Well, obviously, there's never going to be another Watchmen... or rather, there SHOULDN'T be another Watchmen. Or is this not literally what we're talking about? Are you saying there isn't going to be anything like Watchmen ever? Who knows...

Great video. Completely agree on the ending to the Watchmen film being better than the comic's version. Granted, the book does a lot of things better than the film, but the film does do that one thing greater at least than it.

Oh, and if I may say, glad to see you made a new "American Bob" on Youtube, Moviebob. Missed seeing them and hope they'll be more in the near future.

Comic watchmen's ending: Makes sense
Movie's ending: Doesn't make sense.

And that's all I can say without going in to spoiler territory.

I thought Watchmen sucked but I only saw the movie. I've never been so close to walking out of a movie.

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Casual Shinji:
The book's ending made more sense in the grand scheme of things.

I agree with that statement. However without the grand scheme actually being brought into the already long movie, the movie did provide the best ending it could.

I agree the movie did the best it could, and was at least surprisingly creative with it.

Honestly, I think both endings have holes in them, the movie's ending just happens to be more substantial.

Watchmen was arguably the best comic book ever made, at least within the megalith of American superhero comics. There was no way the movie could have the same impact on its medium that Watchmen had on comics. The book has its problems, but nothing else in the medium has usurped it from its throne.

Even though I respect some of the creators involved, the Watchmen prequels don't really interest me. I think everything that needed to be said about that story was said in the original book, and I can't think of anything the prequels could add that wouldn't be cliched, pedantic or possibly even diminishing.

That all said, I think the movie was about as good a film adaptation as we could get. And I agree the film ending makes the narrative tighter and cleaner than the book. It still has its problems though:

As far as I can tell, Watchmen fleshed out the backstories of its characters far too much to leave anything of value for these prequels. Rorschach was kind of dull before he lost his faith in humanity, Nite Owl's only interesting quality is that he's incredibly normal, Silk Spectre hated being a vigilante, and Dr. Manhattan doesn't really have a timeline after being blown up, at least not as far as he's concerned. Anything left out of the original Watchmen, unless I'm not thinking of something, is probably too dull to make anything out of, except for some unimaginative superhero comic where some cool people beat up a bad guy because they're just nice like that.

I think its less of DC conceding nothing will surpass watchman, and more DC conceding they need a boost in their stock value fast.

I don't see why there wouldn't be good stories to tell in the Watchmen history. I don't have a lot of hope it'll be a grand series, but it has as much of an opportunity to be mighty as any other.

Yeah, the prequels being lame has nothing to do with Alan Moore not writing them, it has to do with them being either pointless retreads (all the most significant stuff for any of the characters happens in the original) or hack fuck ups of those characters that make the original make no sense.

the end of the film is by far the least of it's problems (shit they had to do something with it) it's more the use of slow mo and the action sequences suddenly turning mostly ordinary people in to superhumans and making it ultra violence porn that makes the director seem like he missed the point as much as people like rob liefeld did.

Lono Shrugged:
Holy Fuck you did not just say Adam Hughes is a "big talent"

Just GIS "Adam Hughes" and you'll he represents the very worst elements of comic book art since Liefeld.

Wait.. why? I don't know the guy, but just checked out his site and it looks pretty good.

Satosuke:
On the subject of the ending change in the movie vs. the comic: Yeah, the movie one makes more sense in a thematic context, but not really in a logical context. I'll continue my post under a spoiler covering:

But, I will say that in translating the book to the movie, that ending change was necessary to keep it from going too long, and was probably the best solution Hayter and Tse could have come up with.

I liked the movie ending more...it just seemed a lot less likely to have been thought up during a drunk party.

I dont think this is inherently a bad idea. Sure its not Alan Moore, but as Bob said, alot of talented people are working on this. It might end up suprising anyone who reads it.

You dont have no read them, but no need to rage reguardless.

Wait, there was a different ending? I've only seen the film so didn't know.

Anyone want to enlighten to me what the alternate ending is??

Actually, I only heard about the prequels last week, and fully intend to ignore them. Your comments about the state of the Marvel/DC universe, though, give the principal reason I haven't read comics on any kind of a regular basis since about 1986. Except for a couple of minor "gee, that looks vaguely interesting", there really hasn't been anything worth reading.

The thing about Watchmen, and you alluded to this Bob, is that no one is ever going to match it. Watchmen is a combination of both a really interesting story, and one told so fucking well it saddens me there isn't more of it's quality within the genre. The whole story, is like clockwork, everything mentioned in the book works together towards the ending, not a single character is wasted or misused. Combined that with some of the best panel layout I have ever seen, and you got the makings of the greatest comic book of all time.

This is why if I were to create something that became a success like Watchmen (or Star Wars, or Star Trek, or Superman, or indeed anything) I'd refuse to give up the rights to it to a corporation and I'd be sure to maintain 100% creative control and all times.

This just reinforces my stance on the comic industry being in one, big stagnant state ever since the post-Dark Age collapse. The closest thing comics have had to a second Watchmen has been the Batman film series.

First things first, can we stop acting as if Watchmen is the only comic from the eighties that changed people's perceptions of superheroes? The Dark Knight Returns was every bit as important and revolutionary in it's impact, and considering it's (the goddam) Batman, I'm surprised it constantly gets overshadowed by its sibling. I know Frank Miller ain't cool anymore, but you have to give the man his due: TDKR was every bit as important as Watchmen in re-shaping the superhero landscape in the mid-80s.

Now, onto my main point- there is a very simple reason why there will never be another Watchmen. Watchmen (and TDKR along with it) was a pitch-perfect deconstruction of the superhero genre. It took a scalpel knife, and went to town on anything even remotely silly, stupid or downright terrifying about the idea of superheroes.

In short, it covered absolutely everything there is to deconstruct about superhero comics. There's nothing else left to riff on. If you try and release a story today that tries to deconstruct superheroics while making legitimate claims to literature, you're going to cover territory already covered by Watchmen (and TDKR).

We don't need a new Watchmen, just like we don't need a new Maus. All we need is simply new new. How can we allow comics to reach into the future if we're always clamouring for them to rehash something from the past? That sort of thinking has damaged comic books enough already.

We've had plenty of groundbreaking comics since Watchmen. I'm currently reading The Sandman series, by Neil Gaiman. That's a series every bit as literate, intelligent and groundbreaking as Watchmen. But it's completely incomparable, because it isn't a superhero story. It's a story about an immortal near-deity struggling to get his realm back. That sort of lateral progression is what we need more of in comics, not simply going over old ideas with new marker pens.

JasonBurnout16:
Wait, there was a different ending? I've only seen the film so didn't know.

Anyone want to enlighten to me what the alternate ending is??

Personally, while I think the film's altered ending makes more narrative sense in tying the characters so tightly to the events, I think the comic's ending - as bizarre as this is going to sound, considering what that ending is - works better in terms of likeliness to succeed. As others have mentioned above, though he is definitively inhuman, Manhattan is definitely seen as a distinctly American figure.

Can't say I care either way. I've seen the movie and gave the comics a read, they're meh tier.

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