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NO BOB! NO! STOP TELLING ME THE TRUTH... *runsuptohisroomcrying*

I wouldn't have gone to the cinema from the 2nd Transformers onwards even if they paid me. Didn't see the second one, but gave the 3rd one a chance on DVD. Couldn't stand watching it to the end. This is just plain ... No. Actually, it's not even worth those words.

Woodsey:

canadamus_prime:
This is why you have to lower your expectations and just be thankful for the parts they get right.

Alternatively, don't reward them for making shit films.

Or that works too. Either way shut up and stop whining, it certainly has no impact on them and only serves to make you and everyone else miserable. And speaking on behalf of the 'everyone else' we don't appreciate it.

It's funny you mention Men In Black, Bob, seeing how...no. You already know what I'm going to say, ergo I'm going to stop right here.

Also, I get the whys of Bay helming the Transformers flicks, but that doesn't exactly mean he should let them suck. And yes, I know the screenwriters are just as guilty as Bay is for writing what Bay shot, but that doesn't make it sting any less.

Personally, I liked the first two movies. Some people (Bob, for example) don't like what they did, but I honestly believe they did a good job of what they set out to do.

Dark of the Moon, on the other hand, seemed to fail at that. I think it was mostly a bunch of small changes (Mikaela gone, the guns are hand-held now) that together just broke the continuity to me.

The only Transformers background that I had in my infancy was Beast Wars and Beast Machines, so I really don't know the "source material" (aka, the campy 80's cartoon) so I really don't care about what Michael Bay has done with the movies, but, if it counts, I still think they're all pretty "meh", nothing more, nothing less.

I only watched the first movie on TV and I just didn't want to watch the other ones.

Woodsey:
"Grow up."

I was referencing that. Think about it.

"but because Bob didn't find it too bad it's suddenly not worthy of being hated on as much by the general audience."

The point of the video was: "Is The Phantom Menace the film-equivalent of the Anti-Christ, and is it worth 13 years of venomous spite?" The answer - in his opinion, and I'm hoping I don't have to tell you how hard it is for someone to supposedly contradict themself when every single factor in the equation is subjective - was no. He didn't say people should love The Phantom Menace, he said it's not fucking worth it after all this time.

I'd imagine he'd actually say the same for the Transformers films if that were the case. But since Transformers is NOW and since it's making astronomical sums of money NOW and since people are defending this mindless shit NOW, it is worth encouraging people to get up in arms about it.

The thing he keeps going on about in regards to the Transformers movies is how all the people that like it are supossedly retards. Just as his whole hissy fit about The Expendables taking in more money than Scott Pilgrim, and blaming everyone that saw the former in theaters for the downfall of cinema.

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Good show!
nice turn on the old "are weird" joke ^^

Alright I have never watched any of the transformers movies. Just a disclaimer.

I just want to say that not following the canon isn't a bad thing, the fact that a movie has no semblance of quality or effort makes it suck. The movies were an adaption, you know what that means? It means that it has a differnt audience and a different intention so it is adapted for other audiences and cultures. Transformers was for little kids and nerds, if they wanted to make money then they probably would try to market to a larger audience. So strip out the intricate canon but keep the culturally iconic characters and gimmicks plus a slight modernization will bring people, guaranteed. That's fine, just make sure that it's a quality movie.

Casual Shinji:

Woodsey:
"Grow up."

I was referencing that. Think about it.

"but because Bob didn't find it too bad it's suddenly not worthy of being hated on as much by the general audience."

The point of the video was: "Is The Phantom Menace the film-equivalent of the Anti-Christ, and is it worth 13 years of venomous spite?" The answer - in his opinion, and I'm hoping I don't have to tell you how hard it is for someone to supposedly contradict themself when every single factor in the equation is subjective - was no. He didn't say people should love The Phantom Menace, he said it's not fucking worth it after all this time.

I'd imagine he'd actually say the same for the Transformers films if that were the case. But since Transformers is NOW and since it's making astronomical sums of money NOW and since people are defending this mindless shit NOW, it is worth encouraging people to get up in arms about it.

The thing he keeps going on about in regards to the Transformers movies is how all the people that like it are supossedly retards. Just as his whole hissy fit about The Expendables taking in more money than Scott Pilgrim, and blaming everyone that saw the former in theaters for the downfall of cinema.

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Ah but Sucker Punch is different and quirky and alternative and whatnot. Therefore it's great!

C'mon dude, we all know that the best films out there are the ones Bob likes and the ones that he doesn't like must be total shit.

Casual Shinji:

Woodsey:
"Grow up."

I was referencing that. Think about it.

"but because Bob didn't find it too bad it's suddenly not worthy of being hated on as much by the general audience."

The point of the video was: "Is The Phantom Menace the film-equivalent of the Anti-Christ, and is it worth 13 years of venomous spite?" The answer - in his opinion, and I'm hoping I don't have to tell you how hard it is for someone to supposedly contradict themself when every single factor in the equation is subjective - was no. He didn't say people should love The Phantom Menace, he said it's not fucking worth it after all this time.

I'd imagine he'd actually say the same for the Transformers films if that were the case. But since Transformers is NOW and since it's making astronomical sums of money NOW and since people are defending this mindless shit NOW, it is worth encouraging people to get up in arms about it.

The thing he keeps going on about in regards to the Transformers movies is how all the people that like it are supossedly retards. Just as his whole hissy fit about The Expendables taking in more money than Scott Pilgrim, and blaming everyone that saw the former in theaters for the downfall of cinema.

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Referring to people en masse is not the same as picking out individuals; this is not a difficult concept to grasp. He didn't address you personally and call you a stupid twat for liking Transformers. He is talking about the average movie-going audience who'll go off to see other stuff just like it, and swallow whatever shit they're fed.

Furthermore, there is a difference between liking a film that most people do not like and actually defending it, compared to the sort of defence the Transformers films (and their ilk) usually get. Namely, the "just leave your brain at the door argument" (and variations thereof) - a defence for which all who speak it should be executed.

anthony87:

Casual Shinji:

Woodsey:
"Grow up."

I was referencing that. Think about it.

"but because Bob didn't find it too bad it's suddenly not worthy of being hated on as much by the general audience."

The point of the video was: "Is The Phantom Menace the film-equivalent of the Anti-Christ, and is it worth 13 years of venomous spite?" The answer - in his opinion, and I'm hoping I don't have to tell you how hard it is for someone to supposedly contradict themself when every single factor in the equation is subjective - was no. He didn't say people should love The Phantom Menace, he said it's not fucking worth it after all this time.

I'd imagine he'd actually say the same for the Transformers films if that were the case. But since Transformers is NOW and since it's making astronomical sums of money NOW and since people are defending this mindless shit NOW, it is worth encouraging people to get up in arms about it.

The thing he keeps going on about in regards to the Transformers movies is how all the people that like it are supossedly retards. Just as his whole hissy fit about The Expendables taking in more money than Scott Pilgrim, and blaming everyone that saw the former in theaters for the downfall of cinema.

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Ah but Sucker Punch is different and quirky and alternative and whatnot. Therefore it's great!

C'mon dude, we all know that the best films out there are the ones Bob likes and the ones that he doesn't like must be total shit.

Thing is, I don't mind if he says something like that. If I think a movie is terrible, I'll call it out on being shit, too.

But I'm not going call everyone who likes said shitty film a braindead bottomfeeder. And it always makes me break out in hives whenever I hear Bob talking like that. Everyone has movies they like that aren't particularly good, that doesn't make you stupid.

Post edited because I am a leap-first idiot. But still, 40 year old Harley Quinn... what's the emoticon for vomit?

Shoulda realised that this would have probably ended up a "stop liking what I don't like" episode. Ah well, my bad.

Triality:
Wait a damn minute. Madonna - who played as Cat Woman [ ... ]

Uh, since when? Apparently Madonna auditioned for the role, but it was Michelle Pfeiffer who ended up in the film.

BTW, Bob:

Most of the audience, at least judging by the box office, just seems to want to watch generically attractive non-actors dive out of the way of gasoline pyro-fireballs while tossing off monosyllabic one-liners as background noise for their weekend popcorn binge intermittently interrupted by a volley of texting.

Dunno why, but I quite like this line.

I stand proud and tall in my claim that I have never gone to any of these movies in theaters and that I have not seen any of them except the first (which I watched out of morbid curiosity because my mom had already bought the DVD; I am ashamed of this).

ZippyDSMlee:
I still do not know why he is harping on the green lantern it was not that bad all things considered.

Actually, it was. I don't think it was as terrible as Bob made it out to be, but it was pretty darn bad. I went into the movie fairly unbiased and had a friend with me that had never read a single comic and she hated it too. Yes, I knew who the Green Lanterns were, had a basic rundown of the story, and understood a lot of the lore, but I haven't gone through the entire history of the comics (yet) and was going to pick at them for not getting a character's hairstyle right.

And yes, it is understandable for different opinions, but there are times when a film can just be provably bad. This was one of them.

I tip my Hat to you bob for using my favrite line out of the men in black movie.

That spider-man movies still coming eh.
Could have fooled me with the amount of hype it's getting.

OT: Fans will NEVER get the movie they want from Hollywood; Thank God for YouTube and the many fan made flicks!

Casual Shinji:
Thing is, I don't mind if he says something like that. If I think a movie is terrible, I'll call it out on being shit, too.

But I'm not going call everyone who likes said shitty film a braindead bottomfeeder. And it always makes me break out in hives whenever I hear Bob talking like that. Everyone has movies they like that aren't particularly good, that doesn't make you stupid.

Yeah that's pretty much how I feel down to a tee.

I guess I just didn't notice that my post looked more like it was saying that not liking movies is bad. Not liking movies is fine.

Talking down to people who like the movies you don't like, in the way Bob does however, just comes off as being a bit cuntish.

Battle Catman:

Shadowstar38:
Glad that you brought up War For Cybertron, because I think that the only way that a Transformers movie will be any good is if High Noon writes it.

You mean, "if High Noon writes it and doesn't have to trim out the interesting parts to stuff it into a boring, "Gears of War" style shooter."

I played through WFC multiple times (achievement whore), and while the foundation for a solid story is there, they didn't do enough with it. I like that they touched on just why Megatron was leading an uprising against the Autobots--because all the other Primes were a bunch of power-hungry dicks who abused those they outclassed. And while the Decepticons stood for freedom from oppression in a sense, they were going about it the wrong way--murdering any and all Autobots they came across (even some who may have agreed with their opposition to the Primes' rule) and corrupting the very core of their planet. The burden of keeping the peace while still supporting the idea of "freedom for all sentient beings" falls to Optimus.

Of course, this is just what I gathered from the cutscenes, because I kind of zoned out during the actual gameplay part. It's like every time they had a chance to flesh out a character's motivations or goals, the game went "NOPE, STORY IS BORING LET'S GET BACK TO THE SHOOTY PART. HOPE YOU LIKE A RIDICULOUSLY OVERPOWERED MELEE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF AMMO A LOT."

Seriously--people bash the Bay movies because they're "loud, obnoxious, the characters spout off bad one-liners, and there's so much spiky metal flying around." Really? That's the impression I got from WFC.

one part og the story in WFC i WISH they would have expanded on was late in the Autobot half (the prison break) when Prime and Megs are talking and Prime says something to the a effect 'your still pissed about that? that was a long to ago' with out ever explaining what 'that, was (like Meatloaf, only, with robots XD) other then that,i liked that game, looking forward to Fall of Cybertron to

Trishbot:
I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

The Transformers movie was FANTASTIC!

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Death of Optimus Prime! Megatron reborn as Galvatron! Orson Wells as Omnicron! Stan Bush's "The Touch"!

It was everything a Transformers fan could've ever wanted.

it also had stan bush's dare. which strikes an equal amount of my nostalgia chords.

Rebooting but keeping the same director....
Whats the point?

Casual Shinji:
Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*

Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.

Seriously, Bob; Grow up.

We're here for the same reason.

Occasionally, the monkey writes the works of Shakespeare, but mostly flings his poo at the cage and grunts.

Apply this to the "review" of Phantom Menace two weeks ago.

Jimmybobjr:
Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

I mean, He stated something along the lines of "These movies are popular, Therefore the audience is dumb. The more people that watch the movie, the more people are dumb."Jesus Christ, bob, That is up there with some of the most stuck up arsehole-ish comments Ive ever heard; you didnt like this movie because you don't like mainstream cinema, and everyone who does like mainstream cinema is a idiot?

Unless im completely missing what hes said in this video, this is what i heard.

I remember watching his earlier vids and not really sensing this sort of idea; So either i was completely blind, or bob has morphed into a Hipster.

Say what you want about Bob, but that is not what he said. He said that movies *intended* for a much larger audience are dumb. Making a movie that appeals to the most amount of people requires studios to dumb it down. Now you can make a movie that wasn't intended to appeal to a lot of people but suddenly gets popular, which really proves that we need to experiment more rather than actively dumb something down.

And there are more reasons to why something is successful than the quality of it.

So Bob doesn't like Hawkeye's Ultimates costume?
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Casual Shinji:

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Alright, responding to this is probably a mistake on my part but I've had about enough of this particular point - the Sucker Punch thing, I mean.

Firstly, there is a difference between a movie (or any other piece of art) being smart/stupid/meaningful/shallow and being GOOD or BAD (or "well-executed" or poorly-executed) in any one person's opinion. I don't "expect" everyone to call, "Sucker Punch" GOOD; but that it's NOT a "stupid" film - that it's actually slightly over-stuffed with IDEAS, meaning, layers of symbolism both thematic and visual, genuine imagination and actually attempts (with mixed results, to be sure) to actual SAY something is objectively provable simply by watching it... which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you did. It is, in as measurable a way as possible, a smarter movie than any of the Transformers films (which are OPENLY "about" as little as possible); to the point that there's really no discernable reason to compare them.

However, if you're looking for the "difference" between appreciating these two nothing-to-do-with-eachother films, it comes down to where the appreciation comes from. I can find you other legitimate reviews - positive and negative - of "Sucker Punch" aside from mine that found something intellectually engaging about the film. This is NOT as true for the "Transformers" films (though I'm sure a few can be found) whose most passionate defenders tend to come down on the side of "I just want to turn off my brain and watch the fireworks!" "not every movie has to be high-art!" or some variation thereof.

I like all those things you hate.

I'm also (technically) allowed to operate a motor vehicle, although it's not advisable

Back to insulting the audience again, eh Bob?
Well, here I suppose it's relevant; the three Bay Transformers movies are hideous, awful movies, even when you subtract any fanboy-nostalgia bias for the source material (and I can argue from precisely that point of view, because even as a child of the 80s, I could not watch the original show, didn't see the movie, and I never owned any of the toys), and the only logical reason they're made that way is because they sell, so SOMEONE loves them in an un-ironic (non-riffing/satire) way.

I recall the Spoony One saying this during a discussion about the movie: "I sometimes wonder if movies have left me behind."
And that's precisely the kind of feeling I get when I see shallow trainwrecks like these inexplicably make shitloads of money. It tells me that the art of good story-writing, and filming is pretty much dead during the summer, and it's increasingly bothersome to see the most shallow movies make the most money.

Hell, James Cameron managed to resurrect an entire worthless gimmick with his shallow, preachy bling-fest solely on the fact of the incredible profits he turned on it.

And when that's what dictates exactly what movies get made, it eventually becomes the ONLY thing that dictates what movies get funded besides Oscar Bait and art films (which in themselves are incredibly rare). Small wonder I got to the movies so rarely now: I'm not the target audience, nor do I understand the target audience's taste.

LadyRhian:

Scrumpmonkey:
Lowest common denomintor is putting it mildly. A lot of what is released at the moment can be summed up as "Retard Cinema" , in that both the movie and the audience seem to occupy some mass market nether realm where a terrible film is seen as 'easy to watch' becuase you are expected not to think about what you are seeing.

aka "Eye Candy"

I could have summed up this video in three words before I even watched it. Why is a new transformers movie by Michael Bay being made? "The money, stupid."

Not rally eye-candy even, its more akin to flashy bullshit or a really high budget version of someone jangling a very large set of keys infront of the audience for an hour and a half. I personally didn't like Avatar becuase of its stupid manipulative plot but that film had 'Eye Candy' in the traditional sense. It had a lot of great visuals that were admittedly well designed and well framed. Films like American Beauty, Hunger or Kubrick's Paths of Glory have eye candy because they are so richly shot; aka Direction porn.

Transformers did not have eye candy. It had lense-flare. I find Bay's direction offensive to the eyes.

Careful there Bob, you don't want to dip[ into the field of "me and my group are smart and everyone else is dumb" and this is dangerously close if not in that territory. It's easy to naively say that only only you are smart and get a hugely swollen ego but remember that everyone's view is equally valid and there are far smarter people then you out there, even if your ego just wants to say "because they're dumb and I'm not".

Bit of a heads up there bob.

Nimrod means great hunter and is a person/character in the blble of all places. (no i'm not religious) who was said to be the perfect hunter.

Now enters bugs bunny who mocks elmer fudd by calling him Nimrod sarcastically, And couple years later and lack of bible classes the world thinks it means idiot.

So calling the unwashed movie going masses Nimrod Nation is kinda weird.

Just a fun factoid for you. Hope you didn't think the Nimrod RAF planes were idiot planes!

MovieBob:

Firstly, there is a difference between a movie (or any other piece of art) being smart/stupid/meaningful/shallow and being GOOD or BAD (or "well-executed" or poorly-executed) in any one person's opinion. I don't "expect" everyone to call, "Sucker Punch" GOOD; but that it's NOT a "stupid" film - that it's actually slightly over-stuffed with IDEAS, meaning, layers of symbolism both thematic and visual, genuine imagination and actually attempts (with mixed results, to be sure) to actual SAY something is objectively provable simply by watching it... which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you did. It is, in as measurable a way as possible, a smarter movie than any of the Transformers films (which are OPENLY "about" as little as possible); to the point that there's really no discernable reason to compare them.

However, if you're looking for the "difference" between appreciating these two nothing-to-do-with-eachother films, it comes down to where the appreciation comes from. I can find you other legitimate reviews - positive and negative - of "Sucker Punch" aside from mine that found something intellectually engaging about the film.

Could you please? As I remember thinking it had an interesting premise albeit poorly exxecuted, but never that it was well packed to the brine with ideas.

PS: I'm not you biggest fan at all Bob, but fair fucks for you to come wading into this forum and not respond to people like a douchebag who throws around presumptions like cough cough the dragon age 2 review. That said your little "I'm going to regret this..." was a tad insulting.

I like the costume Hawkeye has in the upcoming Avengers movie, not as gaudy as his comic book counterpart. Seriously, who wears blue with purple?

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