The Oscars Are Going to Suck

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The Oscars Are Going to Suck

MovieBob takes on the Oscars.

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"The lone irritating downside to an increasingly diverse culture of multiple voices and viewpoints is that we run the risk of resurgent tribalism and factionalization; people eschewing the idea of shared "monocultural" events for the comforts and clan and kin - an insularity that breeds anti-intellectualism and stifles vision."

That second-to-last paragraph is rather insightful - even when considering recent cultural changes that have nothing to do with movie-making/watching. It puts into words something that's been nagging at the back of my mind ever since the word "television" stopped being synonymous with three channels (perhaps twenty-five years ago or so?). The internet, for all its myriad wonders, has simply exacerbated the problem.

I think The Artist will win not beacuse it is a shallow movie or something like that, but for trying something diffrent. You sound like a star wars fan when you are going on and on for The Tree of Life to win (which i have not seen, but have heard that is fucking boring and pompus). Maybe The Artist is just a better movie. I'm still pissed of that Drive was not nominade for best pic or Tintin wasen't either. Fuck you Hollywood.

MacNille:
I think The Artist will win not beacuse it is a shallow movie or something like that, but for trying something diffrent. You sound like a star wars fan when you are going on and on for The Tree of Life to win (which i have not seen, but have heard that is fucking boring and pompus). Maybe The Artist is just a better movie. I'm still pissed of that Drive was not nominade for best pic or Tintin wasen't either. Fuck you Hollywood.

I do not know if I would call the Artist different instead of Nostalgic to the Oscar voters. Which I guess is half the point for Bob in that they are outdated. Gotta say though, I agree with you about Drive, I loved that movie.

Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.
And For the record I DO remember Crash
Cause it was awesome.

I'm used to be one of those people who get exited to watch a Hollywood movie because well it's an American movie and as Filipino(yes, we are still stereotyped as America's most faithful slave) it's kinda of a big deal if a Hollywood movie is shot here. Want an example? How about The Bourne Legacy minus Matt Damon and Starring Jeremy Renner which is shot mostly here in the Philippines and I am pretty sure it will be another bland, cliched, generic, action movie. Will it be a blockbuster like its predecessors is anyone's guess at this point.

But now after joining the Escapist and watching some Escape to the Movies and other movie reviews from other sites, I finally realized(most of you already know this) that most of them are crap. And I used to think that being nominated to the Oscars is big thing and I think that the movies there are the best ever made, what a naive and idiotic boy I have been.

Nowadays it seems that whenever I see a DVD or Blu-Ray copy of a movie with the Best Picture of (insert year here) I still watch it to see what made it won that award and most of of the time it's set on WWII or older. So yeah the Oscars are for me no longer relevant on how judging how good a movie is.

Like my late grandmother said who just died last Sunday and still in being in the wake as of this writing (may she rest in peace). "Award doesn't matter, It's what you do that counts" or something like that. And it is.

when has the Oscars been any good?

Why are we so worried? If we ever lose the Oscars ceremony, at least we have the intellectual and culturally relevant likes of the MTV movie awards.........right? On a related note, I am all about making a statement but I am reminded of a certain character actor having an "altercation" with another refined celebrity of our times. It may have been a possibly wise decision someone was banned from the ceremony. Though, I honestly don't see why they said no to Muppets; maybe since they have Billy Crystal they are afraid of over doing the comedy?

MacNille:
I think The Artist will win not beacuse it is a shallow movie or something like that, but for trying something diffrent. You sound like a star wars fan when you are going on and on for The Tree of Life to win (which i have not seen, but have heard that is fucking boring and pompus). Maybe The Artist is just a better movie. I'm still pissed of that Drive was not nominade for best pic or Tintin wasen't either. Fuck you Hollywood.

Tin Tin has no business being nominated for best picture. It's not even the best animated movie (Rango).

Because I exist in a constant state of mind that is slightly out of synch with the rest of the world, I have to ask exactly what was unforgivable about the clip you linked to at the end?

I'm a third on the why is Dances with Wolves clip unforgivable?

shiajun:
I'm a third on the why is Dances with Wolves clip unforgivable?

Many people are upset that Goodfellas didn't win that Oscar.

shiajun:
I'm a third on the why is Dances with Wolves clip unforgivable?

Goodfellas.

The thing is the Oscars can still retain most of their relevance as long as there's no real rival awards, until somebody comes up with a viable alternative then winning an oscar is still the best thing a movie can do, even if the awards themselves are frequently wrong especially in retrospect it's still the biggest and there's not much to indicate that this will ever change, no matter how many times cross like Crash wins or how dull the actual ceremony gets.

moviedork:

MacNille:
I think The Artist will win not beacuse it is a shallow movie or something like that, but for trying something diffrent. You sound like a star wars fan when you are going on and on for The Tree of Life to win (which i have not seen, but have heard that is fucking boring and pompus). Maybe The Artist is just a better movie. I'm still pissed of that Drive was not nominade for best pic or Tintin wasen't either. Fuck you Hollywood.

Tin Tin has no business being nominated for best picture. It's not even the best animated movie (Rango).

Ok now, that is a lie. Tintin was a great film.

shiajun:
I'm a third on the why is Dances with Wolves clip unforgivable?

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable?

The fact that Goodfellas lost to Dances With the Wolves is often considered one of the most stupid moments in Oscar award history...for a very good reason.

MacNille:

moviedork:

MacNille:
I think The Artist will win not beacuse it is a shallow movie or something like that, but for trying something diffrent. You sound like a star wars fan when you are going on and on for The Tree of Life to win (which i have not seen, but have heard that is fucking boring and pompus). Maybe The Artist is just a better movie. I'm still pissed of that Drive was not nominade for best pic or Tintin wasen't either. Fuck you Hollywood.

Tin Tin has no business being nominated for best picture. It's not even the best animated movie (Rango).

Ok now, that is a lie. Tintin was a great film.

That's an even bigger lie. Tintin was a fantastic film.

The annoying thing is, although I agree with almost all of what Bob says, he always manages to make one sideways comment which I find completely ridiculous, even though it's said in the same "well of course I'm right" tone as the rest of the article - in this case, the writing off of Slumdog Millinaire as "immediately forgotten". I think you'd be hard pressed to find a significant number of people who genuinely forgot about it completely.

I never saw Dances With Wolves, so...
lucky me, I guess

This is why I think the Kermode Awards are the best awards. For those who don't know, the rule of the Kermodes is that you cannot win a Kermode for a category in which you have been nominated for an Oscar. Here are some of the films which won Kermodes over the past few years:
Pan's Labyrinth
Moon
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Let The Right One In
Senna
We Need To Talk About Kevin
A Scanner Darkly
Son of Rambow

Bit different to Oscar fare isn't it.
Also, of all the sources to use for a news article, why the hell was an article from the Daily Mail included. I mean, every other story from them is either racist or saying that say blinking will give you cancer. No-one should mention the Daily Mail at all if they want to be taken seriously unless it's in mocking it.

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.

I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second.
Shakespeare with Love was a good movie, and deserved the victory in a year of uninspiring movie releases. Are you suggesting Saving Private Ryan should have won instead? That film attempted half an hour of plotless, shockless, gore factor, and still somehow scooped a nomination. Few movies force me to turn them off, but I can honestly say that was one of the least interesting films I've watched half of.

I liked Crash. I hope I'm not the only one that remembers it.

I've never actually watched the Oscars. Not even once. I haven't met one person that didn't think the Oscars was a joke so it surprises me that some people are just now realizing that.

skylog:

MacNille:

moviedork:

Tin Tin has no business being nominated for best picture. It's not even the best animated movie (Rango).

Ok now, that is a lie. Tintin was a great film.

That's an even bigger lie. Tintin was a fantastic film.

Rango was still better.

DVS BSTrD:

And For the record I DO remember Crash
Cause it was awesome.

The writing in Crash is really bad. The dialog is nothing short of awful: overly expositive, preachy, forced, obvious. A common complaint about Avatar is that it's heavy-handed about its message, and Crash is nothing better. This drags down the quality of the movie as a whole. There's this good scene where the racist white police guy saves the black woman, and that's it.

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.
And For the record I DO remember Crash
Cause it was awesome.

He's talking about it beating Goodfellas.

TheBobmus:

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.

I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second.
Shakespeare with Love was a good movie, and deserved the victory in a year of uninspiring movie releases. Are you suggesting Saving Private Ryan should have won instead? That film attempted half an hour of plotless, shockless, gore factor, and still somehow scooped a nomination. Few movies force me to turn them off, but I can honestly say that was one of the least interesting films I've watched half of.

Shakespeare in Love was derivative, boring, and overly impressed with its own significance, featuring a "romance" that had all the chemistry of a noble gas.
Your assertion that the gore in Saving Private Ryan was pointless and "shockless" (a claim characterized by notawordousity) is what many people would call "a completely subjective statement with which very very few people would agree," and, when taken with your admission that you watched only half of it, allows me to dismiss your opinion of the movie in its entirety.
Lots of movies put my father to sleep. Shakespeare in Love accomplished that. I've never seen another movie make him cry, as Saving Private Ryan did.
Art is supposed to elicit emotions in the viewer. Last I checked, somnolence isn't an emotion.

kitz:
when has the Oscars been any good?

They're great when you watch them with film-buff friends and some tequila.

A bit dangerous, but fun.

lacktheknack:

kitz:
when has the Oscars been any good?

They're great when you watch them with film-buff friends and some tequila.

A bit dangerous, but fun.

As long as there is copious amounts of tequila (or any other alcohol) it can make awards shows moderately interesting (not gonna lie: seeing them bleep Meryl Streep at the Golden Globe's while they tried to sneak her glasses to her while I had a pretty good buzz made me giggle like a schoolgirl). The film buffs I know (myself included) tend to get either pissed at the Oscars (for being predictable and awarding all the 'safe' choices) or for being boring (for being predictable and awarding all the 'safe' choices).

I'm still upset that Mickey Rourke didn't win Best Actor for "The Wrestler" and Hellboy 2 lost "Best Make-up" to Benjamin Button (which used CGI... not make-up...)

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.
And For the record I DO remember Crash
Cause it was awesome.

indeed it was. I'm still reeling, however from the 94 Oscars, where Forrest Gump beat out not only Shawshank Redemption, but also Pulp Fiction.

PhiMed:

TheBobmus:

DVS BSTrD:
Ummm Why was Dances with Wolves winning the Oscar unforgivable? (Unless you're referring to the fact that Godfather 3 was even considered)
This was a far greater travesty.

I agree with your first point. I disagree with the second.
Shakespeare with Love was a good movie, and deserved the victory in a year of uninspiring movie releases. Are you suggesting Saving Private Ryan should have won instead? That film attempted half an hour of plotless, shockless, gore factor, and still somehow scooped a nomination. Few movies force me to turn them off, but I can honestly say that was one of the least interesting films I've watched half of.

Shakespeare in Love was derivative, boring, and overly impressed with its own significance, featuring a "romance" that had all the chemistry of a noble gas.
Your assertion that the gore in Saving Private Ryan was pointless and "shockless" (a claim characterized by notawordousity) is what many people would call "a completely subjective statement with which very very few people would agree," and, when taken with your admission that you watched only half of it, allows me to dismiss your opinion of the movie in its entirety.
Lots of movies put my father to sleep. Shakespeare in Love accomplished that. I've never seen another movie make him cry, as Saving Private Ryan did.
Art is supposed to elicit emotions in the viewer. Last I checked, somnolence isn't an emotion.

I in fact called the opening gore 'plotless', not pointless. Its intent was to shock, and in my opinion it failed - making it shock-less (agreed on the missed dash) - and leaving us with a drawn out battle we have zero investment in. I also personally think you'd need to be rather squeamish to find anything of note during that oft-lauded opening.
As for saying that SIL is overly impressed with itself, SPR is the classic example of a movie overly impressed with its own subject matter.

I'm not going to defend SIL as the greatest film of the age, but in a year of clearly poor contenders for the title, it deserved to win.

PS: 'All the chemistry of a noble gas' made me laugh, very witty.

Could you please explain what you mean by "women's films"?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or divisive, I'm honestly not sure.

Do you mean films in genres that are primarily associated with a female audience (mostly romance, romcoms and movies like Eat, Pray, Love, which was the uplifting story of a self-centered monster abdicating all social responsibility and bringing pain to everyone around her)? Because most of those that I've seen recently are on roughly the same intellectual level as Michael Bay.

Do you mean films by female directors? Because those are in short supply and subject to the same variation in quality as any other kind of film. I would love to have seen Punisher: Warzone up for something, though. I was really impressed with the woman who directed it after listening to the commentary track.

Do you mean films with female writers? The only ones I ever remember are that one woman and her friends who write all of those disgustingly sexist romantic comedies that people keep inflicting on me. To be fair, I rarely remember screenwriters unless they produce a large body of material which causes me pain.

Wait, there ISN'T going to be a live performance of Muppet or Man? Are you freaking kidding me, that's one of the main things I was looking forward to for this ceremony! Geez...

Still gonna watch it though, but God-dang-it! >:(

Bbleds:
Why are we so worried? If we ever lose the Oscars ceremony, at least we have the intellectual and culturally relevant likes of the MTV movie awards.........right?

Oh lord, even as sarcasm, the idea of the MTV movie awards becoming the new Oscars... terrifying, absolutely blood curdling.

On topic: Yeah, I think the Oscars need to change guard and quickly, lest they do become obsolete, and god forbid, a situation like the one in the quote should arise.

You gotta figure with the majority of the Oscar people gettin' up there in years, eventually there's gonna be a mass extinction of sorts. Terrible thing to think of, I know, but the passing of time could eventually lead to a different, more in tune demographic rising.

Hello to Jason Isaacs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the issue is this. Acting and Film making are arts in of themselves with their own standards and skill sets, and the Academy Awards serve to reward them. It's not supposed to be a general worship of pop culture despite what people have tried to turn it into, and as a result The Academy has tried to intentionally focus on the basics rather than what any paticular group's tastes are.

Awarding a good movie, that happens to be rooted entirely in current trends, is anathema because down the road that movie might not age well as trends change. In comparison period dramas tend to remain "relevent" having dealt with a documented period as opposed to "of the moment" pop culture.

Someone like Andy Serkis doesn't get more credit because his gimmick is relatively new, and it remains to be seen if it's still used or is even relevent 10 years from now. While he's talented at what he does, there are some questions as to whether he's actually skilled in the ways the Academy is supposed to evaluate... how much of his acting is simply wearing the digital tech well, and how much is actual acting? That's a valid question. Given time he might be recognized for a lifetime achievement if nothing else, but I can see why he's not loved by The Academy.

Current events, message movies, and chick flicks which are steeped in pop culture and current trends, all tend to fall under the same problem.... enduring relevence. What is a hot issue or something "everyone agrees with" now is not nessicarly going to endure. The Academy isn't opposed to the issues, but prefers to see yesterday's issues with a known resolution covered as they are thus timeless and part of history. Not to mention that touching on things like sexuality amounts fo playing politics, like it or not while the left wing is blowing it's own hard very loudly, the nation is divided almost 50-50 on a lot of those issues and it remains to be seen given the divide whether a lot of the victories being won are going to last. The Academy might applaud a movie about the gay rights crusade 20 years form now when the issue is over, but isn't going to laud praise on a political picture with huge amounts of opposition... especially if that message is the big thing selling the movie beyond anything else.

The point is that I understand what The Academy does, and why. I also understand why it's admissions criteria is so tight, after all if it started getting politically correct about it's membership so to have a membership indicative of current minority trends or whatever, it would become more about the politics and current trends than enduring movies and the art of acting and performance itself.

To be honest I kind of thing the Academy Awards should stay more or less like they are now. Though I think nowadays might be the time to try again to create competing awards shows based more around pop culture. Various networks/websites/etc... try this but none are universally accepted... and that's the big problem. If those people ever get together and try and create some kind of hybrid production regularly for pop culture, we might see something more currently relevent... but I think that would only really work if The Academy was still doibng it's thing to represent a traditional counterpoint and rate things in part based on their abillity to endure, and on the pure skill of the actor and/or film maker's craft.

See, I don't think The Academy watches a movie the same way the typical audience does. They aren't weighting things purely on entertainment value but in terms of skill and construction, but also whether or not a story/production is liable to remain relevent many years in the future. I mean you can pick up something like "The King's Speech" and even if it puts you to sleep, the story it tells deals with the kind of events that are going to be understandable and relevent 100 years from now. Some woman's movie, or chick flick about the enduring friendship of two women as they cope with modern society and find love... less so, even if well acted and well constructed 100 years from now jokes/entertainment based on say twittering or whatever probably aren't going to work, and people aren't really going to empathize with the point of the movie simply due to how the world has changed. Such movies rely on connection btween the female viewes and the protaganist that will no longer be achievable.

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