Escape to the Movies: Act of Valor

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ID4 2 needs to happen.

This is the first time I've ever skipped parts of one of Movie Bob's videos, which I did at points I thought that Movie Bob was rambling on too long about how this didn't reflect his opinion of the US Navy so I could get to the parts where he talked about the quality of the movie.

I'll give this a pass, thanks Bob.
As a Canadian who is not particularly fond of American military... anything. I'll definitely pass on this one.

Doitpow:
Two things

1. Not all propaganda is recruitment drives. Half of it is justifying what you have done. I'm not a fan of the work of 90% of the military and the more "realistic" movies about real wars get, the more I see it as attempts to further justify often illegal military action.

And the more I see them attempt to justify them, the more I'm convinced that the action was wrong. You want to convince me that your military action was justified? Stop trying to justify it.

Thanks, Bob. I came in expecting a review more focused on taking shots at the idea of the movie rather than the movie itself. I'm glad my expectations weren't met. There's a great deal of professionalism in how you handled that. I might see the movie for the opportunity to see these guys in action.

It's so funny what Bob says, because the things he thinks are controversial end up not being controversial, and the things he doesn't think will be controversial (like his rants on Transformers, The Expendables, Fast Five, and pirating games) end up becoming just that. Oh the Internet... why you so Internet?

Also, Yvan Eht Nioj! XP

Were the 1:30 minutes of military ass-kissing really necessary?

They made a movie and gave it a theatrical release, they should expect it to be critiqued like any other movie in the theater, any respect Moviebob or anyone else has for the real military should have no bearing on the judgement that the movie receives.

Don't get me wrong, I respect the military, but I will also add that being a soldier doesn't make one a hero and that soldiers are just as likely to be douche-bags as any other human being.

Anyway, movie looks interesting, might give it a look if it ever goes across the Atlantic, even if that isn't terribly likely.

CronoT:
I respect the hell out of the military, too, Bob. I also know I respect them best by admitting I don't belong anywhere near them. Awesome review.

The respect should go both ways. We should respect the people in the military for the risks they are taking to protect our nation while they should respect other peoples decision to not join the military whether it be because we don't belong, don't believe in violence, not wanting to fight what they don't believe in etc. Every now and then I get a military guy at work who is disrespectful in that regard.

I'm so confused! Bob needs to clarify whether or not he likes the Transformers movies or not, he hasn't really stated his opinion on those yet.

Coreless:
Having served in the military (US Army) myself, I can tell you that the real job of the military is actually the complete opposite. The job of the military is actually to save lives, and to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...first and foremost.

Yes the military does teach you to kill and most of my combat training centered around becoming more efficient at it, but the real goal of the military is always defense first, and to kill only as a last resort.

That's all well and good as a theory (well, kind of. Killing humans is wrong no matter what the circumstance, but at least killing as a final resort in the defense of oneself/others is understandable, if not forgivable), but has that ever actually been practiced by the US military? If so, when?

I'm genuinely not trying to be antagonistic or anything here, I just don't see how or when the US military has actually served as a defensive force (at least not in my lifetime, probably not my parents' or grandparents', either).

Doitpow:
Two things

1. Not all propaganda is recruitment drives. Half of it is justifying what you have done. I'm not a fan of the work of 90% of the military and the more "realistic" movies about real wars get, the more I see it as attempts to further justify often illegal military action.

2. Anyone see this making a splash outside of middle America? Didn't think so.

Bang on.

Most propaganda is about swaying public opinion, not recruiting. They have their own branch of propaganda specifically for recruiting.

Was that little stab at people who think it's in poor taste to call fans of the Transformers movies idiots really necessary?

Seems kinda petty if you ask me considering Bob obviously saw the comments in the last video but rather than actually address it he just makes a snide little remark at the beginning of the next video.

Real fucking mature.

Not a video comment: MODS I AM SORRY, I DID NOT MEAN TO PUSH THE REPORT BUTTON

I don't know if Movie Bob actually reads this, but I have a half @$$ apology for him. He was making comments in the reviews of Transformers 3 and Immortals about militarism. Which I consider highly suspect of an argument. With the rise radicals who would call the military "baby killers", maybe I was a little sensitive about it. I have an older who is in his late forties that his all sorts of medical issues due to his service with the rangers. My younger brother served in Uzbekistan and Afghanistan as an Air Force fire fighter. And my mother gave 21 years of her life as an Air Force nurse. As a kid my mother, step father, older brother, and I lived over in Ankara, Turkey (my younger brother was adopted while over there). Also had 2 uncles who were in the Marines. I was the black sheep of the family. I didn't go in and after 9/11 happened my back was to much of a problem to enlist. So when some one attacks the military I will confront, I don't care who they are (or who they think they are). When I seen the pic for the review, I looked at it for a minute debating if I want to see it. And said the heck with it. I have to say it was a fair review.

P.S. I'm pretty sure we don't see eye to eye on much. Like your review of The Iron Lady. You commented on her union "busting". But forgot to mention that before she became prime minister of England. The country was referred to as the sick man of Europe and after she left England rebounded from it's fiscal sickness.

Rita repulsa in a bob review?
Epic as shit!

Why do people keep saying that just because the SEALS and Delta are American they are the "best in the world", they are not even close, the best in the world are the British SAS and SBS and the Israeli Sayeret.

This review is awful. Yeah, I get that Navy Seals are bad asses, but he is here to talk about the movie. He spends more than half of the video giving a disclaimer about them being awesome and then repeats the point several times in case someone miss it.

But, you know what? A lot of people work in movies after they worked on honorable works, and a lot of people work in movies that could kick my ass all the way to south america, but that is independent of the work they do in the movie and the quality of the movie itself. I don't expect him to go "Spy Kids 4 is not so terrible because Danny Trejo is a rehabilitated drug addict and a lightweight champion", nor "Ice-T and Micheal Caine were in the army and even fought on wars; so I guess Goldmember gets a pass". If they are not good actors or are in a bad movie, that is it, period. Games like Call of Duty employ several real army and seal veterans as consultants, yet that doesn't prevent him to make a cheap shoot at them.

And then, when he is actually talking about the movie (instead of apologizing to the people in it), we realize its no different than 1.000 other war movies out there: a Tom Clancy story, dialogue sucks, "slow motion closeups, buddy cop small talk, gravely monologues about fathers and sons, legacy and honor, a bad guy working out on a yacht with bikini models, and a terrorist attack out of 24 fan fiction". The real soldiers in it are more like a gimmick.

Evil Alpaca:
OT: Moviebob seemed to be upset in the quick facts at the end because the US military doesn't rent out its stuff unless people make them out to be the good guys. I'm curious, do you think ANYBODY would contribute to a film that makes them look bad?

But does ID4 make the military look bad?

Stargate SG-1 created the NID because the Air Force didn't approve of their original plan: a corrupt group of airmen. This makes sense to me, but it seems rather silly for the military to object to ID4's portrayal of the Roswell coverup.

hermes200:
This review is awful. Yeah, I get that Navy Seals are bad asses, but he is here to talk about the movie. He spends more than half of the video giving a disclaimer about them being awesome and then repeats the point several times in case someone miss it.

But, you know what? A lot of people work in movies after they worked on honorable works, and a lot of people work in movies that could kick my ass all the way to south america, but that is independent of the work they do in the movie and the quality of the movie itself. I don't expect him to go "Spy Kids 4 is not so terrible because Danny Trejo is a rehabilitated drug addict and a lightweight champion", nor "Ice-T and Micheal Caine were in the army and even fought on wars; so I guess Goldmember gets a pass". If they are not good actors or are in a bad movie, that is it, period. Games like Call of Duty employ several real army and seal veterans as consultants, yet that doesn't prevent him to make a cheap shoot at them.

And then, when he is actually talking about the movie (instead of apologizing to the people in it), we realize its no different than 1.000 other war movies out there: a Tom Clancy story, dialogue sucks, "slow motion closeups, buddy cop small talk, gravely monologues about fathers and sons, legacy and honor, a bad guy working out on a yacht with bikini models, and a terrorist attack out of 24 fan fiction". The real soldiers in it are more like a gimmick.

But he thought that if he didn't bring it up, people might complain about it. He just can't win can he?

anthony87:
Was that little stab at people who think it's in poor taste to call fans of the Transformers movies idiots really necessary?

Seems kinda petty if you ask me considering Bob obviously saw the comments in the last video but rather than actually address it he just makes a snide little remark at the beginning of the next video.

Real fucking mature.

At least he shows that he read them.

bravetoaster:

Coreless:
Having served in the military (US Army) myself, I can tell you that the real job of the military is actually the complete opposite. The job of the military is actually to save lives, and to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...first and foremost.

Yes the military does teach you to kill and most of my combat training centered around becoming more efficient at it, but the real goal of the military is always defense first, and to kill only as a last resort.

That's all well and good as a theory (well, kind of. Killing humans is wrong no matter what the circumstance, but at least killing as a final resort in the defense of oneself/others is understandable, if not forgivable), but has that ever actually been practiced by the US military? If so, when?

I'm genuinely not trying to be antagonistic or anything here, I just don't see how or when the US military has actually served as a defensive force (at least not in my lifetime, probably not my parents' or grandparents', either).

I was merely trying to convey to you how people in the military feel about their job. Unless you have served in the military I wouldn't expect you to see that or to understand it in the same way. You obviously feel a certain way about the military and from what I gather from your response you have strong views regarding wars past and present. With that said, I think it would be best for me not to give my opinion on the matter because really its all going to boil down to how you personally feel about all those conflicts and the subject matter as a whole.

One thing I never understood about the Navy Seals was their name.

Is it seal as in "Seal of Approval" or seal as in the animal? Or other?

Fun fact: the best possible anagram of "Act of Valor" is "Taco Flavor".

And now this movie is making me hungry.

StriderShinryu:

vxicepickxv:

StriderShinryu:

That was The Woman In Black, and it's North American release was a couple weeks ago. It's pretty good if you want real old school creep factor horror and don't need blood guts and gore to make something "scary."

Are you sure they're not thinking about Silent House, which isn't scheduled to release until the 9th?

No, I don't know for sure. I just checked out the trailer for Silent House and it looks really good. It's tough to say which one was on the poster's mind, but both deal with haunted houses and more traditional horror type scares. I don't recall Bob mentioning Silent House anywhere, but I'm sure I could have missed it. Good catch though as I now want to see Silent House lol

I'm pretty sure its silent house seeing as how in the first 20 seconds of the trailer the girl mentions her dad is renovating the house for sale. Doesn't actually say that its a haunted house though. I got the feeling that someone was in the house when I saw the trailer.

my bad just saw the trailer and it was just an editing problem. Odd

uneek:

hermes200:
This review is awful. Yeah, I get that Navy Seals are bad asses, but he is here to talk about the movie. He spends more than half of the video giving a disclaimer about them being awesome and then repeats the point several times in case someone miss it.

But, you know what? A lot of people work in movies after they worked on honorable works, and a lot of people work in movies that could kick my ass all the way to south america, but that is independent of the work they do in the movie and the quality of the movie itself. I don't expect him to go "Spy Kids 4 is not so terrible because Danny Trejo is a rehabilitated drug addict and a lightweight champion", nor "Ice-T and Micheal Caine were in the army and even fought on wars; so I guess Goldmember gets a pass". If they are not good actors or are in a bad movie, that is it, period. Games like Call of Duty employ several real army and seal veterans as consultants, yet that doesn't prevent him to make a cheap shoot at them.

And then, when he is actually talking about the movie (instead of apologizing to the people in it), we realize its no different than 1.000 other war movies out there: a Tom Clancy story, dialogue sucks, "slow motion closeups, buddy cop small talk, gravely monologues about fathers and sons, legacy and honor, a bad guy working out on a yacht with bikini models, and a terrorist attack out of 24 fan fiction". The real soldiers in it are more like a gimmick.

But he thought that if he didn't bring it up, people might complain about it. He just can't win can he?

I don't have a problem with him talking about it. He often gets meta explaining the history of a movie concept and this was a rather big elephant in the room. However, I found the apologetic, pandering disclaimer that lasts almost half the video unprofessional.

The quality of the movie and the nature of the people working in it are two different matters and, as a movie reviewer his job is to talk of the first. Besides, its not the first movie or game to employ real war veterans in several roles of the production, yet he didn't had a problem attacking those (case in point, Transformers).

Bob, you were right in all the wrong ways it seems. Apparently, your problems with this film didn't come through clearly enough. You need to be more controversial Bob, more aggressive! Except when you wind up making fun of something absolutely inconsequential, then you have gone too far! As long as you're making fun of people who are incredibly important and who are quite likely among the truest badasses in this world I'm totally cool, but the moment you say that the movies I like are aimed at a largely unintelligent demographic, it is time to start the rants! Fuck, if you don't make fun of people who would willingly die for individuals they hardly know, then I will go on a rant about just how stupid you are for not making fun of them!

It's a three pronged attack. Liminal, subliminal and superliminal

HEY, YOU! JOIN THE NAVY!!!

I think it's a pretty sad state of affairs when a movie critic has to spend half of his review praising American soldiers, just so he can qualify his opinion that the movie it isn't very good. Seriously, having to tiptoe around this "do you support our troops?" bullshit is getting really old.

I hate how he spends half the movie apologizing for the fact that he only sorta liked it, any other movie would just be torn right into but not this, based on your beliefs you can support, not support or not really care either way about the military but some people are so afraid to say anything bad because there is this insanely built up sense of entitlement that they feel they must buy into in order to be a good person. They chose their field and the risks that go along with it and if I'm supposed to have freedom that these guys fought for, I should be able to feel however I want and express myself, not to tip-toe around the issue because I'm afraid the guys who are supposed to protect us are gonna go off like land-mines when I say I disagree on something.

Anyway my personal opinion about this movie is essentially just me rolling my eyes at it, whether Bob wants to believe it isn't a recruitment tool is besides the point, he's wrong. He is a mature adult with a good head on his shoulders, he's not a mountain dew swilling 17 year old who is gonna see this and instantly want to join the military, regardless of how it is portrayed, immaturity will gloss over the realism and this will be the piece of propaganda it was meant to be. I'm willing to bet the acting is just awful and the action is probably the farthest thing from realistic out there, oh sure they used some hand-signals but I wouldn't even bat an eye if one of the seals in this movie went Super Sayian in one scene to save a little kid from a terrorist or whatever the Navy's equivalent is to that.

StriderShinryu:

vxicepickxv:

StriderShinryu:

That was The Woman In Black, and it's North American release was a couple weeks ago. It's pretty good if you want real old school creep factor horror and don't need blood guts and gore to make something "scary."

Are you sure they're not thinking about Silent House, which isn't scheduled to release until the 9th?

No, I don't know for sure. I just checked out the trailer for Silent House and it looks really good. It's tough to say which one was on the poster's mind, but both deal with haunted houses and more traditional horror type scares. I don't recall Bob mentioning Silent House anywhere, but I'm sure I could have missed it. Good catch though as I now want to see Silent House lol

Not sure if you guys are being sarcastic, but I'm sure he means Women in black.

AnythingOutstanding:
One thing I never understood about the Navy Seals was their name.

Is it seal as in "Seal of Approval" or seal as in the animal? Or other?

It's an acronym: SEALs = SEa, Air and Land Specialists.

AnythingOutstanding:
One thing I never understood about the Navy Seals was their name.

Is it seal as in "Seal of Approval" or seal as in the animal? Or other?

Neither, its an acronym for Sea, Air, and Land Teams.

Whether it was chosen to coincide with the animal is beyond me...

Coreless:
Having served in the military (US Army) myself, I can tell you that the real job of the military is actually the complete opposite. The job of the military is actually to save lives, and to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic ...first and foremost.

Yes the military does teach you to kill and most of my combat training centered around becoming more efficient at it, but the real goal of the military is always defense first, and to kill only as a last resort.

Growing up Marines, I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying. Heck, my father spent 23 years in avionics, never saw combat.

That said, it's just the facts that while the purpose of it all is to save lives and protect, a lot of the activity is destructive. That's how war works. And that's what the public usually sees and understands.

What the military does is a very good thing. But war, at the most basic, is a "bad thing." So, in a simplistic sense (and the public is very simple), the military is associated with "bad things." That means everything already gets an automatic "negative spin" to a lot of people, who then act upon that negative bias at the polls.

So, with that in mind, I fully support the armed forces making promotional materials, including movies, that cast them in a very positive light. What they do is important, and they need to be able to show that to a public that doesn't have to deal with it (because the military does it for them).

As the saying goes, "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." People can cry about the horrors of war, and how awful all of it is, but it's easy for them to forget that the reason they're free to do so is because we've got men ready to bear that burden for us.

This is the film you deside to hold back on your criticism on? I have a friend who saw it and they said it was really bad and I mean really bad.

That kind of bad where you are almost offended by how little the filmakers tried to make a cohisive plot.

MovieBob:
Act of Valor

MovieBob aims his attention at the epic Navy recruiting film Act of Valor.

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I think independence day had more problems because of Area 51, more than the alien coverup. Remember, in 1994 was the big Area 51 lawsuit, and the last thing the pentagon was wanting to do was to make any statements about the base, or the fact the place existed.

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