Jimquisition: Mass Effect 3: A Gay Erotic Love Story

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Beliyal:
Even after this beautiful satire, people still argue. I am sad, truly. And I am even more sad at the fact that people will continue to argue about this for months to come.

Anyway, Jim, this was awesome. I couldn't believe that you could read this with a straight face, I was laughing my ass off. And honestly, you're really good at this. Made me want to make a gay Shepard, so then I could... Do stuff... You know... I'll be in my bunk.

Heaven forbid people use the comments section to discuss rather than mindlessly worship the content creator.

secretsantaone:

Rainboq:

secretsantaone:

So what you're basically saying is that the only reason there's a gay romance in Mass Effect 3 is because gay people are more whiny?

No, one, there's probably a higher up at Bioware/Activision who wanted it, the LGBTTQ community are actually a fairly large market and its not very taboo anymore.

Who said anything about it being taboo?

Besides, don't you think it's a bit shallow to cram in a gay romance just to appeal to gay people? Surely that's the same as putting a black character in to appeal to black people?

From a story point of view, it doesn't seem to add anything now we're in the last game, because the only way to get it to fit would be to say 'I was gay all along even though it wasn't foreshadowed or hinted at all in the last two games!', which is just plain bad writing.

Have you ever been in the closet? Because if you have been, you'd know how much effort goes into hiding your sexuality. And speaking as someone who has only ever gone femshep, I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its the writers' story, not yours, all you are is along for the ride, you might get to choose your path, but its their junctures, not yours. If you want something different, ship it.

secretsantaone:

Rainboq:

secretsantaone:

So what you're basically saying is that the only reason there's a gay romance in Mass Effect 3 is because gay people are more whiny?

No, one, there's probably a higher up at Bioware/Activision who wanted it, the LGBTTQ community are actually a fairly large market and its not very taboo anymore.

Who said anything about it being taboo?

Besides, don't you think it's a bit shallow to cram in a gay romance just to appeal to gay people? Surely that's the same as putting a black character in to appeal to black people?

From a story point of view, it doesn't seem to add anything now we're in the last game, because the only way to get it to fit would be to say 'I was gay all along even though it wasn't foreshadowed or hinted at all in the last two games!', which is just plain bad writing.

I don't think it's any more shallow than having the heterosexual romances (which were, admittedly, quite shallow as well).

As for the last part, it depends how you played Shepard. I know a lot of people who played a male Shepard and made him gay (and quite frustrated, naturally). I also know people who characterized their Shepard as a Kirk-like fuck-anything-that-moves sort of person. If you did not do that with yours, no one is making you make your Shepard gay now.

Besides, I think it's equally bad writing to have a lesbian romance in the first one (yes, Asari are technically mono-gendered and no, that is no more convincing now than it was then) and then no such options in the second (and Jack, at least, admitted to swinging both ways).

Syntax Man:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, lemme get this straight, Jim and Yahtzee can cus like sailors and the thing is fine with that, but an the mere mention of homosexuality it age gates the fucking thing?

A mere mention would be a couple of sentences, this was the whole episode describing (in a great amount of detail) sex. I'm pretty damn sure that if this episode was heterosexual or inter-special themed it'd be age restricted just like this one.

Slayer_2:
I'm pretty sure no one actually has problems with ME3 having homo relationships in it. Especially when bigger issues are obvious *cough* Origin *cough*.

I remember talk of forcing the player to experience a complete "chapter" of the game dealing explicitly with homosexuality.

Also, Turrians were birds, so would Garrus taste like chicken?

Not that I want to taste him or anything.

So....very....wrong

As usual, wonderful video.

I think Jim addresses the matter adequately. I didn't know some fans were actually raging at the inclusion of a gay romance option and the very idea that some of them were raging about that makes me want to pull off a pretty massive facepalm.

Grow up, folks. Homosexuality isn't a disease and BioWare isn't contaminating your hobby of choice with "teh gay". If you played your Shepard as a hetero, then simply ignore the man-on-man content that's pressed on the disc. If, on the other hand, you went FemShep+Liara and have the gall to throw up a shitstorm for this, then you're a hypocrite. Plain and simple.

Rainboq:

secretsantaone:

Rainboq:
No, one, there's probably a higher up at Bioware/Activision who wanted it, the LGBTTQ community are actually a fairly large market and its not very taboo anymore.

Who said anything about it being taboo?

Besides, don't you think it's a bit shallow to cram in a gay romance just to appeal to gay people? Surely that's the same as putting a black character in to appeal to black people?

From a story point of view, it doesn't seem to add anything now we're in the last game, because the only way to get it to fit would be to say 'I was gay all along even though it wasn't foreshadowed or hinted at all in the last two games!', which is just plain bad writing.

Have you ever been in the closet? Because if you have been, you'd know how much effort goes into hiding your sexuality. And speaking as someone who has only ever gone femshep, I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its the writers' story, not yours, all you are is along for the ride, you might get to choose your path, but its their junctures, not yours. If you want something different, ship it.

I'm sorry but in terms of story telling 'he was in the closet and was hiding it all along' is about as hackneyed as you can get.

Just because it's someone else's story, doesn't mean I can't criticise it. Please don't dissolve this into 'let's see you do better'.

Avatar Roku:
I don't think it's any more shallow than having the heterosexual romances (which were, admittedly, quite shallow as well).

As for the last part, it depends how you played Shepard. I know a lot of people who played a male Shepard and made him gay (and quite frustrated, naturally). I also know people who characterized their Shepard as a Kirk-like fuck-anything-that-moves sort of person. If you did not do that with yours, no one is making you make your Shepard gay now.

Besides, I think it's equally bad writing to have a lesbian romance in the first one (yes, Asari are technically mono-gendered and no, that is no more convincing now than it was then) and then no such options in the second (and Jack, at least, admitted to swinging both ways).

Please explain how you can make a character gay if there are no gay options in the two games.

You could only pretend he was gay, but there was no way to actually make the character gay.

And as there was no way to make the character gay, it seems like poor writing to suddenly decide he is 3 games in.

Rainboq:

DressedInRags:

Heaven's Guardian:
Not that it wasn't funny, but it really was a strawman argument; I think we've had enough threads about this already, but most of the objections are about canonical authenticity and over when gay relationships were introduced.

What, so if a strait femshep decides to bat for the other team in the second installment, that's acceptable?

But when a male Shepard does it, then OMG CONTINUITY FUCKUP?

That makes no sense to me.Is femshep allowed to get away with it because they're more used to seeing girls go both ways in their porn? Has no-body told these people that men can be casually bisexual as well?

Pretty damned spot on, welcome to double standards.

If you wanna grasp onto whatever flimsy straw you can to have this not seem like a last second add-on, go right ahead. I'm not. Also if continuity doesn't matter, then why have the ability to transfer saves from game to game, having decisions from the last affect the outcome of the next?

Thyunda:

Volf:

Thyunda:

Then identical twins should control what the other appears in.
You really don't think it's a bit petty to be upset that a virtual man who merely LOOKS like you happens to possibly have a taste for cock?

No I don't think its wrong for a person to have human feelings about how their digital image is being depicted.

Its just like if (hypothetically) the model Jacqui Ainsley didn't like being portrait as a women willing to use her body, I wouldn't try to minimize her feelings.

That's totally different. That's portraying a person as something they're not. But you see, there's this thing called 'acting'. And, since this is a digital representation of a person NOT INTENDED TO BE THE ACTOR, then I can't see any problem with how it's used. Especially since he's not a very distinctive person. If he was instantly recognisable from the image, and it was used as a slight against him, I'd understand it. But to get upset because you're a motion capture for a possibly gay character?
It's not him. It just looks like him. It has no relation to him. It's Captain Shepard. It'd be like saying Gerard Butler is without a doubt a murderer because you saw him in Law Abiding Citizen once. Only...this is actually more far-fetched.

Okay, let's really examine this point. In Law Abiding Citizen, Gerard Butler plays a loving family man who uses his tech knowledge wreak havoc not only on the murderers of his wife and daughter, but pretty much every legal and political official in the city of Philadelphia. Now what if it was decided that that backstory was too boring, so let's say the decision was made to liven it up by having him periodically beat his wife and rape his daughter before their murder. And hey, since Jamie Foxx is playing the lawyer that screwed him over in the case, let's make him a racist too. Now imagine all of this was done without Gerard Butler knowing it. This was all done with dialogue that was dubbed in by a sound-alike in post production editing. They even threw in a couple of scenes with acting doubles for him and Jamie Foxx talking about how the Emancipation Proclamation should be repealed. And he doesn't find out until he sitting at the premiere of the movie with the same wide-eyed expression of shock on his face that the rest of the audience has when they see and hear this. Now I can safely assume that Gerard Butler is not a racist, wife-beating pedophile. But you know what? He also didn't agree to play one in this movie either.

Icehearted:

Slayer_2:
I'm pretty sure no one actually has problems with ME3 having homo relationships in it. Especially when bigger issues are obvious *cough* Origin *cough*.

I remember talk of forcing the player to experience a complete "chapter" of the game dealing explicitly with homosexuality.

I highly doubt that, Bioware has always made the cheesy romances optional. In ME1 I think I tried to have a three-way with Ashley and Liara, but failed, that was funny.

goliath6711:

Rainboq:

DressedInRags:

What, so if a strait femshep decides to bat for the other team in the second installment, that's acceptable?

But when a male Shepard does it, then OMG CONTINUITY FUCKUP?

That makes no sense to me.Is femshep allowed to get away with it because they're more used to seeing girls go both ways in their porn? Has no-body told these people that men can be casually bisexual as well?

Pretty damned spot on, welcome to double standards.

If you wanna grasp onto whatever flimsy straw you can to have this not seem like a last second add-on, go right ahead. I'm not. Also if continuity doesn't matter, then why have the ability to transfer saves from game to game, having decisions from the last affect the outcome of the next?

I never said that. I'm merely pointing out a double standard that exists in society.

secretsantaone:

Rainboq:

secretsantaone:

Who said anything about it being taboo?

Besides, don't you think it's a bit shallow to cram in a gay romance just to appeal to gay people? Surely that's the same as putting a black character in to appeal to black people?

From a story point of view, it doesn't seem to add anything now we're in the last game, because the only way to get it to fit would be to say 'I was gay all along even though it wasn't foreshadowed or hinted at all in the last two games!', which is just plain bad writing.

Have you ever been in the closet? Because if you have been, you'd know how much effort goes into hiding your sexuality. And speaking as someone who has only ever gone femshep, I don't really see what all the fuss is about, its the writers' story, not yours, all you are is along for the ride, you might get to choose your path, but its their junctures, not yours. If you want something different, ship it.

I'm sorry but in terms of story telling 'he was in the closet and was hiding it all along' is about as hackneyed as you can get.

Just because it's someone else's story, doesn't mean I can't criticise it. Please don't dissolve this into 'let's see you do better'.

Did I say that? Yes you can criticize the game, hell, if you don't like this decision, DON'T BUY THE GAME. If you do buy it, you basically have little to no right to complain. Seriously though, the segments might be well written for all you know, and you might never encounter those moments, but I'd imagine that there are some players out there who played Shepard as a rather flirty gay male, but never got to explore that further.

Jim's voice has the same effect on me as thinking of my grandmother. *Shutter* I can't think of a worst way to make a point, maybe if he masturbated on the screen the whole time as well. Congrats your argument is worse off now then when you started. I would have supported your ideas but after watching this, you have turned me to the other side.

Oh my god, that was brilliant. Thank god for jim.

Rainboq:
Have you ever been in the closet? Because if you have been, you'd know how much effort goes into hiding your sexuality.

As a gay friend said "even to be gay you need balls", and in conservative enviroments you need to be a man among men to be an open gay dude. That said, fuck retconning Shep into gayness! Mhee, screw ME in general, I want to see sometihng new from Bioware.

Rainboq:
That's just entropy, and it sounds like a dash of social pressures as well. But really, you really shouldn't feel forced to do anything.

Nahh, not social pressure for that, my mother however asks me about a grandchild every once in a while, once a month if I am not going steady with someone... damn her. It's just that i like to get out of my confort zone as much as i can, try new stuff, live new experiences; so far the gay side however hasn't happened yet.

Caramel Frappe:
-snip-

Sup m8! Gonna dream with Jim whispering to your ear tonight? Jk, nway good 2 c u.

secretsantaone:
Heaven forbid people use the comments section to discuss rather than mindlessly worship the content creator.

I love discussions. However, they too often turn into mindless arguments with all the same points being abused over and over.

Simply put, I see no reason to bash the option for homosexuality in ME3. They wanted to put it in the previous two games too, but unfortunately, we live in society where homosexuality is frowned upon. I don't think it's an issue with writing or retconing; it's an issue with our society. Finally, they decided to say "Fuck it, we're doing it this time" and put the option in the game, where it should have been since the beginning. Sure, it would've been better if it was there from the start (I'm sure some people were disappointed for not having a gay option), but they had to scrap that idea for various reasons. I am not bothered by it though, as I don't see it as that big of an issue. You can play a consistent Shepard and not change anything at all in all three games. You can also decide that it was boring to be paragon and choose to be renegade. Or change your face or your class. There's no viable explanation for that, in-game, and your squadmates are going to address you all the same even if you suddenly went from being a noble soldier to some full-biotic douche, or you had a complete face change surgery. So, why is homosexuality such a problem? If I can completely change the look and morals of my character, I should be able to suddenly decide that my Shepard wants man sex (or woman sex). Or I could just pretend that s/he was gay from the beginning and it was other people who were not, so I couldn't indulge in my desires. Or I could completely ignore this option and play as I played until now. I have three Shepards, neither of them is gay and neither of them will suddenly become gay, because I want to finish relationships with the ones I romanced in ME2. But I could make a new Shepard, romance no one in ME1 and 2 (or romance someone just because I can) and then romance my true and only love in ME3.

There, here's a discussion.

Caramel Frappe:
...

That made me feel pretty uncomfortable, yet it made me laugh a bit. But mostly made me feel very odd because Jim is talking about a sex scene/fantasy moment despite if it had to do with males, females, straight, homo, whichever. Must say it takes a lot of bravery to read that out loud. So interesting video is all I have to add...

I find it rather odd that sex makes you uncomfortable, care to explain why that is?

Rainboq:
Did I say that? Yes you can criticize the game, hell, if you don't like this decision, DON'T BUY THE GAME. If you do buy it, you basically have little to no right to complain. Seriously though, the segments might be well written for all you know, and you might never encounter those moments, but I'd imagine that there are some players out there who played Shepard as a rather flirty gay male, but never got to explore that further.

Woah hold up there partner.

On one hand you're saying I can't know for sure whether or not the writing will be good or not until it comes out and I play the game for myself.

On the other you're saying I have no right to complain about the writing if I buy the game.

So can I not criticise the game unless I pirate it or something?

How on earth can you play Shepard as a flirty gay male, when neither of the two existing games contain any flirty gay dialogue? Are you expected to imagine a back-story where he chats up Edwardo while on shore-leave?

Beliyal:

secretsantaone:
Heaven forbid people use the comments section to discuss rather than mindlessly worship the content creator.

I love discussions. However, they too often turn into mindless arguments with all the same points being abused over and over.

Simply put, I see not reason to bash the option for homosexuality in ME3. They wanted to put it in the previous two games too, but unfortunately, we live in society where homosexuality is frowned upon. I don't think it's an issue with writing or retconing; it's an issue with our society. Finally, they decided to say "Fuck it, we're doing it this time" and put the option in the game, where it should have been since the beginning. Sure, it would've been better if it was there from the start (I'm sure some people were disappointed for not having a gay option), but they had to scrap that idea for various reasons. I am not bothered by it though, as I don't see it as that big of an issue. You can play a consistent Shepard and not change anything at all in all three games. You can also decide that it was boring to be paragon and choose to be renegade. Or change your face or your class. There's no viable explanation for that, in-game, and your squadmates are going to address you all the same even if you suddenly went from being a noble soldier to some full-biotic douche, or you had a complete face change surgery. So, why is homosexuality such a problem? If I can completely change the look and morals of my character, I should be able to suddenly decide that my Shepard wants man sex (or woman sex). Or I could just pretend that s/he was gay from the beginning and it was other people who were not, so I couldn't indulge in my desires. Or I could completely ignore this option and play as I played until now. I have three Shepards, neither of them is gay and neither of them will suddenly become gay, because I want to finish relationships with the ones I romanced in ME2. But I could make a new Shepard, romance no one in ME1 and 2 (or romance someone just because I can) and then romance my true and only love in ME3.

There, here's a discussion.

Ohh gods

someone making a well thought out and reasonable post?

I though it was impossible.

Tanakh:

Rainboq:
Have you ever been in the closet? Because if you have been, you'd know how much effort goes into hiding your sexuality.

As a gay friend said "even to be gay you need balls", and in conservative enviroments you need to be a man among men to be an open gay dude. That said, fuck retconning Shep into gayness! Mhee, screw ME in general, I want to see sometihng new from Bioware.

Rainboq:
That's just entropy, and it sounds like a dash of social pressures as well. But really, you really shouldn't feel forced to do anything.

Nahh, not social pressure for that, my mother however asks me about a grandchild every once in a while, once a month if I am not going steady with someone... damn her. It's just that i like to get out of my confort zone as much as i can, try new stuff, live new experiences; so far the gay side however hasn't happened yet.

Interesting. I think this friend of yours and I would probably get along quite well. And I sort of agree, while the content creators should have free reign, it is rather fan servicy.

Also, I know that feel bro, from the female side mind, I get nagged constantly.

Jim raises an excellent point, I narrowly avoided catching teh gay from a previous Bioware game - Jade Empire. Curse you Sky you handsome rogue with your tempting wiles! As gamers, we'd best be on our guard for any other encroachments of equality or diversity.

Spot on satire Jim. Probably your best episode to date.

secretsantaone:

Rainboq:
Did I say that? Yes you can criticize the game, hell, if you don't like this decision, DON'T BUY THE GAME. If you do buy it, you basically have little to no right to complain. Seriously though, the segments might be well written for all you know, and you might never encounter those moments, but I'd imagine that there are some players out there who played Shepard as a rather flirty gay male, but never got to explore that further.

Woah hold up there partner.

On one hand you're saying I can't know for sure whether or not the writing will be good or not until it comes out and I play the game for myself.

On the other you're saying I have no right to complain about the writing if I buy the game.

So can I not criticise the game unless I pirate it or something?

You're misinterperting me, I'm saying that you can criticize, not complain. There is a difference, critizism tends to be more in depth and constructive.

How on earth can you play Shepard as a flirty gay male, when neither of the two existing games contain any flirty gay dialogue? Are you expected to imagine a back-story where he chats up Edwardo while on shore-leave?

Were there's a will there's a way. It could be the way your character moves when around other characters. Honestly, there's more to a character than just the dialogue.

Saying a great deal of what has already been said. Apologies, for the recap.

-Good satire.

-The age check shouldn't be necessary, but it is wise to avoid legal complications for potentially sensitive content.

-The DSM dropped its definition of homosexuality as a disorder in 1973 which in terms of progression in clinical psychology is a lot more recent than many of you would like to believe.

-Society is only recently getting comfortable with homosexuality. There are those groups who are not comfortable with this increasing comfort.

-There is no such thing as "appeasing" a market. You are opening doors to interested parties, which is good business.

-It is not shallow to include homosexual relations in a game. It is shallow to include any sexual relations in a game.

Beliyal:

secretsantaone:
Heaven forbid people use the comments section to discuss rather than mindlessly worship the content creator.

I love discussions. However, they too often turn into mindless arguments with all the same points being abused over and over.

Simply put, I see no reason to bash the option for homosexuality in ME3. They wanted to put it in the previous two games too, but unfortunately, we live in society where homosexuality is frowned upon. I don't think it's an issue with writing or retconing; it's an issue with our society. Finally, they decided to say "Fuck it, we're doing it this time" and put the option in the game, where it should have been since the beginning. Sure, it would've been better if it was there from the start (I'm sure some people were disappointed for not having a gay option), but they had to scrap that idea for various reasons. I am not bothered by it though, as I don't see it as that big of an issue. You can play a consistent Shepard and not change anything at all in all three games. You can also decide that it was boring to be paragon and choose to be renegade. Or change your face or your class. There's no viable explanation for that, in-game, and your squadmates are going to address you all the same even if you suddenly went from being a noble soldier to some full-biotic douche, or you had a complete face change surgery. So, why is homosexuality such a problem? If I can completely change the look and morals of my character, I should be able to suddenly decide that my Shepard wants man sex (or woman sex). Or I could just pretend that s/he was gay from the beginning and it was other people who were not, so I couldn't indulge in my desires. Or I could completely ignore this option and play as I played until now. I have three Shepards, neither of them is gay and neither of them will suddenly become gay, because I want to finish relationships with the ones I romanced in ME2. But I could make a new Shepard, romance no one in ME1 and 2 (or romance someone just because I can) and then romance my true and only love in ME3.

There, here's a discussion.

Very good points. Expressed it far better than I did.

I'd play male Shep as a homosexual, because it does interest me greatly, however I cannot stand male Shep's voice acting. Perhaps if a cock were shoved down his throat the entire time I could actually manage a playthrough as him, though...

Rainboq:

Caramel Frappe:
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That made me feel pretty uncomfortable, yet it made me laugh a bit. But mostly made me feel very odd because Jim is talking about a sex scene/fantasy moment despite if it had to do with males, females, straight, homo, whichever. Must say it takes a lot of bravery to read that out loud. So interesting video is all I have to add...

I find it rather odd that sex makes you uncomfortable, care to explain why that is?

Not used to watching anyone narrate a sex story in person, or ever seen anyone do so on a video posted by The Escapist or any website for that matter. I thought Jim was going to talk about the reasons why homosexuality was going to be no issue but people tend to make it so- while joking. Yet, the whole time he was actually reading a story that caught me off guard lol. The details he gave out specifically despite what gender was involved.. made me put on a "What did I just hear" face lol.

Besides, not everyone is into sex all that much. I tend to stay away from it, not discussion wise but being involved wise. That's just me, it's not wrong for others but I like to keep a clean mind and not go for the gutter haha.

dietpeachsnapple:
-It is not shallow to include homosexual relations in a game. It is shallow to include any sexual relations in a game.

That's a wee bit 'No True Scottsman'. Sexuality is a core component of human relations, and as such, sexuality can and should a part of more adult games that talk about the human condition, like Mass Effect. Hell, even TES and Fallout have sex, just heavily implied.

Beliyal:

secretsantaone:
Heaven forbid people use the comments section to discuss rather than mindlessly worship the content creator.

I love discussions. However, they too often turn into mindless arguments with all the same points being abused over and over.

Simply put, I see not reason to bash the option for homosexuality in ME3. They wanted to put it in the previous two games too, but unfortunately, we live in society where homosexuality is frowned upon. I don't think it's an issue with writing or retconing; it's an issue with our society. Finally, they decided to say "Fuck it, we're doing it this time" and put the option in the game, where it should have been since the beginning. Sure, it would've been better if it was there from the start (I'm sure some people were disappointed for not having a gay option), but they had to scrap that idea for various reasons. I am not bothered by it though, as I don't see it as that big of an issue. You can play a consistent Shepard and not change anything at all in all three games. You can also decide that it was boring to be paragon and choose to be renegade. Or change your face or your class. There's no viable explanation for that, in-game, and your squadmates are going to address you all the same even if you suddenly went from being a noble soldier to some full-biotic douche, or you had a complete face change surgery. So, why is homosexuality such a problem? If I can completely change the look and morals of my character, I should be able to suddenly decide that my Shepard wants man sex (or woman sex). Or I could just pretend that s/he was gay from the beginning and it was other people who were not, so I couldn't indulge in my desires. Or I could completely ignore this option and play as I played until now. I have three Shepards, neither of them is gay and neither of them will suddenly become gay, because I want to finish relationships with the ones I romanced in ME2. But I could make a new Shepard, romance no one in ME1 and 2 (or romance someone just because I can) and then romance my true and only love in ME3.

There, here's a discussion.

Which is pretty much what we have been discussing for the last 3/4 pages.

My argument is that the amount of effort adding a gay relationship into the series this late isn't worth it. The development time could have been better spent on additional general content, especially considering the small amount of development time (2 years, which is pretty tight for an RPG, especially one which prides itself on choices).

Not only that but a staple of good writing is foreshadowing and hinting. Making Shepard gay this late in the series seems much more like pandering rather than adding anything meaningful to the story.

Griffolion:
I'm sensing a poke at something underneath all this. Was there some sort of controversy about homosexuality in ME3 that I missed?

Remember the controversy surrounding the first game? All the brainwashing alien sex turning players into guaranteed deviant sex offenders? Now it's GAY alien sex! You won't be able to drive your car on the road for men fondling each other...

Caramel Frappe:

Rainboq:

Caramel Frappe:
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That made me feel pretty uncomfortable, yet it made me laugh a bit. But mostly made me feel very odd because Jim is talking about a sex scene/fantasy moment despite if it had to do with males, females, straight, homo, whichever. Must say it takes a lot of bravery to read that out loud. So interesting video is all I have to add...

I find it rather odd that sex makes you uncomfortable, care to explain why that is?

Not used to watching anyone narrate a sex story in person, or ever seen anyone do so on a video posted by The Escapist or any website for that matter. I thought Jim was going to talk about the reasons why homosexuality was going to be no issue but people tend to make it so- while joking. Yet, the whole time he was actually reading a story that caught me off guard lol. The details he gave out specifically despite what gender was involved.. made me put on a "What did I just hear" face lol.

Besides, not everyone is into sex all that much. I tend to stay away from it, not discussion wise but being involved wise. That's just me, it's not wrong for others but I like to keep a clean mind and not go for the gutter haha.

No offense, but I'm going to pick apart that last sentence of yours. Why is not thinking about sexuality, one of the baser component of human psychology, which the repression of has been proven to be harmful, a bad thing? What is so bad about thinking about one of the fundamental concepts of life itself, procreation, seen as a dirty thing? Aside from the obvious, religious reasons, of course.

conflictofinterests:
I'd play male Shep as a homosexual, because it does interest me greatly, however I cannot stand male Shep's voice acting. Perhaps if a cock were shoved down his throat the entire time I could actually manage a playthrough as him, though...

okay, that made me lol, kuddos!

"50 Penn Gilletes" I luaghed so fucking hard at this video, shine on you crazy fuck.

Rainboq:
No offense, but I'm going to pick apart that last sentence of yours. Why is not thinking about sexuality, one of the baser component of human psychology, which the repression of has been proven to be harmful, a bad thing? What is so bad about thinking about one of the fundamental concepts of life itself, procreation, seen as a dirty thing? Aside from the obvious, religious reasons, of course.

That's just it. My religion is mostly my viewpoint on sex. Not that sex is BAD aka why people usually do so to have kids or bond with the person they love (even if they doing it out of lust, that's not for me to judge) I don't want to get myself involved in sex directly or think of such matters because that isn't who I am really unless it's a discussion value I get out of it. Also sex encourages actions to one's mind and my past has it's regrets so I stay away from such matters but anyone who wants some- that's fine with me really.

IamLEAM1983:
As usual, wonderful video.

I think Jim addresses the matter adequately. I didn't know some fans were actually raging at the inclusion of a gay romance option and the very idea that some of them were raging about that makes me want to pull off a pretty massive facepalm.

I don't think it was the fans (except for those fans that will complain about absolutely anything) I think it's more to do with the media (I smell Fox News' stink all over this). But you know how people are... just because the option exists, it means the game straps you down Clockwork Orange style and makes you watch Garrus pound maleSheps' ass for 5 hours...

Rainboq:
You're misinterperting me, I'm saying that you can criticize, not complain. There is a difference, critizism tends to be more in depth and constructive.

Complaints are just negative criticism.

It could be the way your character moves when around other characters. Honestly, there's more to a character than just the dialogue.

What does that even mean? Awkwardly and repeatedly bumping into them from behind? It's pretty hard to show subtle body gestures in a shooting game with stock animations.

Caramel Frappe:

Rainboq:
No offense, but I'm going to pick apart that last sentence of yours. Why is not thinking about sexuality, one of the baser component of human psychology, which the repression of has been proven to be harmful, a bad thing? What is so bad about thinking about one of the fundamental concepts of life itself, procreation, seen as a dirty thing? Aside from the obvious, religious reasons, of course.

That's just it. My religion is mostly my viewpoint on sex. Not that sex is BAD aka why people usually do so to have kids or bond with the person they love (even if they doing it out of lust, that's not for me to judge) I don't want to get myself involved in sex directly or think of such matters because that isn't who I am really unless it's a discussion value I get out of it. Also sex encourages actions to one's mind and my past has it's regrets so I stay away from such matters but anyone who wants some- that's fine with me really.

What is lust, but love of a different form? Regardless, sex does have discussion value, its like any sort of excersize, sport or profession.

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