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Not Okay

Bob takes on nerd sexism.

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Then why hasn't there been a FemBob yet in your TGO series?

I agree, rock on bob! Seriously! I can't believe there are people trying to justify this... I haven't seen the clip in quesiton myself, but what the hell is this guy trying to justify?

Love the ending statement there too bob! This is why I watch your show.

Can i start with BOOM!!

Thank you bob, it might just draw you some more traffic, probably less then pc gaming is dead but still probably quite hefty. I feel i agree with pretty much everything and have nothing to add.

Woah... i'm not really familiar with the fighting game community but... is sexism really such a big problem there? That's disturbing. Now, i never really got to see any sort of misoginy in any gaming community (probably because i only frequent sites with such a great and tolerant community such as The Escapist... aww) but if that's an issue, well, it really shouldn't be. I have no idea why anyone should have any sort of aversion to women, it doesn't make sense and we should be smarter than that.

So glad to see this brought up. The sexism a lot of girls in nerd culture face is horrific - mostly because it's still pretty dominated by socially awkward beta males who've built up a seething resentment towards the women who never talked to them. But yeah, the childish, churlish, socially reactionary "boys' club" mentality needs stomping out hard.

This is probably the most pissed off I've ever heard movie bob sound; I don't blame him, either, as I've said the exact same thing on more than one occasion over the last few years. I remember calling some friends out on throwing the word rape around more casually than I was comfortable with and they looked at me like I grew a second head.

Seriously, nerd culture based sexism is something I would seriously like to see go away. Forever.

Ummm are Dick Wolves still cool?

Other than that, fuck those pigs.

This seems like a good week to shame self-righteous assholes about their opinions of women.

...and continuing with "Heavy Week" on the Escapist...

Very well spoken, Bob. This should be viewed by practically everyone on the internet.

Ok I must of been under some rock since I never heard of Aris constrosity let alone the whole Cross Assult show.
So against sexism is something you do know or is it next week is suppose to be stuff you are know alot of?

I agree, I am sick of all these guys posting pictures of female celebs in their videos and leering over them or only mentioning them in relation to their attraction and not their acting talents or intelligence or anything.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Woah... i'm not really familiar with the fighting game community but... is sexism really such a big problem there? That's disturbing. Now, i never really got to see any sort of misoginy in any gaming community (probably because i only frequent sites with such a great and tolerant community such as The Escapist... aww) but if that's an issue, well, it really shouldn't be. I have no idea why anyone should have any sort of aversion to women, it doesn't make sense and we should be smarter than that.

You'd be surprised.

I play a lot of UMVC3, and my name is Ashley, a predominately female name in 'Merica.

The amount of crap I get from guys who think I'm a girl is astounding, especially when I whoop their arses.

OT: Hey Bob, whose awesome? You're awesome.

Gotta say, as someone who plays a lot of fighting games, I'm kinda offended that some idiot thinks that a) the community has sexual harassment as one of it's founding principles and b) that that's a good thing.

Thanks for making us look like assholes, Bakhtanian... Dumbass.

I tip my hat to you, sir.

Seriously, thank you. I don't always agree with you (such as your historically based argument for justifying double standards regarding race; I feel that true equality can only be brought by acts of true equality, not retribution for previous acts), but you construct your arguments well. And I truly appreciate it when you apply that ability to arguments I agree with and/or something that HAS to be said.

And I hate to admit it, but I've had my own way of shrugging off sexism and other intolerance within Geek culture: By saying "Ugh, but I'm not that kind of geek. I'm better than they are. They just won't get anywhere with their lives."

Wanna know what else is considered acceptable in the community?

Not allowing newcomers to play as if letting them play will make everyone else in the FGC's Battle Royale collar explode.

Stay classy, FGC, stay classy.

I tend to avoid and criticize pro-gaming, and this is one of the major reasons for doing so. With the rare exception, the personality of most "Professional Gamers" can be summed up in the term douchebag.

These are the same kind of people that tend to get thrown out of team sports, precisely because no one wants to be playing with them, because they either make the rest of the team look bad by proxy, or end up blaming the team for their failure.

In overall classlessness, this is like when Tom Brady's wife blamed the rest of the Patriots team for her husband not winning the Super Bowl this year.

Just because it's common doesn't mean it's any less wrong

This was the best episode in a while. Pretty much everything that needs saying about nerd culture is here. Just replace 'women' with any other subject matter and its pretty much 100% interchangeable.

Although, in defense of the 'Why are we even talking about this?' argument, I don't think that necessarily means people don't want to admit that these problems exist, more just 'Why is it my responsibility to tell these assholes to grow up? Why can't I just be free to not be associated with them?'

Bob, while we may not see eye to eye on different subject, I am fully, 100% backing you on this subject.

RoseArch:
Then why hasn't there been a FemBob yet in your TGO series?

Do... do you really want to see a female version of Bob?

Amen to that, one of the reasons why I often tend to avoid multiplayer gaming (and I'm not even a girl). I can't help but be slightly ashamed to be a geek/gamer whenever I hear about this.

On another note, wasn't there a thread here about a week ago about that specific incident?

I love you, Movie Bob! I have not really commented on anything in a while but this forced me to come back and say what a great job you do in general, even when I disagree with your premise. (in this case, I do not)

Jesus, I had heard a little about this, but wasn't aware of the whole kerfuffle. Bakhtanian sounds like he's trying to be the representative for /v/ - his justification for his own misogynist behaviour is laughably horrendous. It makes me wonder if the problem of sexism isn't circulated and even exacerbated by peer pressure in a heavily male-dominated culture. We need more people who are willing to stand up and challenge the attitude, even if everyone else in the room is an Aris clone.

Great video, Bob - needed saying.


I find it funny how they used Starcraft as a bad thing. What's bad about it? From most competitions I've seen they tend to get along pretty well, even when they cheese the hell out of each other.

It's a good thing these guys put themselves out though. That way you can smack some of that BS down, which they need to do some more.

Great video Bob, I was really quite annoyed when I heard this story the other week, and I completely agree with your points here. Especially about free speech. I've never understood why people think the right to free speech means they're allowed to be an arsehole to people without consequence.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Woah... i'm not really familiar with the fighting game community but... is sexism really such a big problem there? That's disturbing. Now, i never really got to see any sort of misoginy in any gaming community (probably because i only frequent sites with such a great and tolerant community such as The Escapist... aww) but if that's an issue, well, it really shouldn't be. I have no idea why anyone should have any sort of aversion to women, it doesn't make sense and we should be smarter than that.

Getting "ragged on" in general happens all the time in the FGC. The issue is that these guys grew up in the arcade, where they were surrounded by peers and able to say these things to each other with little more repercussion than getting beat in the next match.

UltraDavid, someone who could be considered a leader in the fighting game community, did a fantastic write-up that touched on this topic on shoryuken.com. True, the main topic is fighting games as esports, but the argument for why this sort of thing happens in the fighting game community is pretty well explained. It's LONG AS HELL and can be found here.

I've met Aris. He's a decent guy. I've also been to fighting game tournaments before they got as big as they are now. Racism, sexism, homophobia, and general dickish behaviour does go on. To be blunt, it is currently part of the culture, because of where it originated. But there are those who recognize that this needs to change, and the changes are happening. The FGC has some growing to do, and not all of it is going to be painless.

Overall, I like your points. There are certainly some points I dont see eye to eye on, mostly because realistically they won't change or aren't something that bad in the first place For example: you will not stop people from saying 'you got raped' in games. It sucks that it wont happen, but its just like people saying 'thats gay' for something stupid. And, for both cases, I dont see it as a swipe against rape victims or homosexuals, its just a word that has a stigma attached to it (which is unfortunate for 'gay', but not everyone is tolerant) thats used in conjunction with something not so pleasant. Is it bad? Yes. Does it tear us down as a culture? Yes. Will it change? Unfortunately, no.

Part of the reason things will never change is because as a community, we are fractured. We all belong to the same community, but a large portion (mostly on the younger side, but there are quite a few naive older people) don't act like they are part of the community. They don't care about the community as a whole, standards we'd like to uphold, or making the medium better. They're just there cause its the cool thing to do, explosions are cool, or for sheer, mind melting entertainment. Thats never going away either.

I was kind of disappointed in this episode though. When I read that you would be taking on the sexism in nerd culture, I thought this would be more indepth. Maybe even delve into why, as a culture, Gamers and the Internet demean women to the point of objects because we fear their presence in a place we dominate. Or perhaps go into other issues. I just thought it would be deeper, and it really enticed me to see what you would have to say on this.

It was a great episode, don't get me wrong. I just wish it had more meat on it. I LOVE your funny/odd episodes Bob, but I like these serious ones just as much. I'm probably not the only one either, just keep that in mind.

I don't dig out this clip often, but when I do...

Qitz:


I find it funny how they used Starcraft as a bad thing. What's bad about it? From most competitions I've seen they tend to get along pretty well, even when they cheese the hell out of each other.

It's a good thing these guys put themselves out though. That way you can smack some of that BS down, which they need to do some more.

It's because the Starcraft community and FGC are diametrically opposed. When people talk about making fighting games into an esport, they always say things like "why can't you be more like those Starcraft guys" and that makes the members of the FGC feel marginalized. They fought (no pun) to get where they are with, really, little to no outside help. The FGC is really homegrown, and when you have that much devoted into something, people coming in to mess with that feels deeply wrong, and they get very territorial.

I feel the need to point to this article again to better illustrate that point, because I'm just not as well versed in the finer details as others.

Thank you for that rant Bob!

I can't say how disgusted I felt when I first heard this bit of news; as someone who likes fighting games I really don't want to be associated with this kind of BS.

I agree. Sexism or racism isn't defined by how you think so much as by your actions. I think if you make sexist jokes which cause women discomfort and grief then you are, by definition, sexist. Whether you think of yourself as sexist or not is a different story. Mediocre bad guys almost never think of themselves as bad guys.

On a different note: Its interesting to see how this matches up with your political correctness video. Its not that they are incompatible by any means. Its just that watching those two videos gives a sense of the sometimes narrow region in between being an ass and being politically incorrect.

Thank you, Bob. This may be your best episode to date, and I agree wholeheartedly with you!

I could not agree with this more more. Good on yah Bob.

Zor

Uber Waddles:

Part of the reason things will never change is because as a community, we are fractured. We all belong to the same community, but a large portion (mostly on the younger side, but there are quite a few naive older people) don't act like they are part of the community. They don't care about the community as a whole, standards we'd like to uphold, or making the medium better. They're just there cause its the cool thing to do, explosions are cool, or for sheer, mind melting entertainment. Thats never going away either.

Why should they? If entry into the gaming community is defined as playing video games why should they care about anything except playing the games they want to play.

Somehow, I think this attitude inside of the community is what's causing so many games to include unnecessary cheesecake fan service, unfortunate subtexts and crude stereotypes.

I presume that if those attitudes didn't exist, I wouldn't be as nervous and anxious over a game like Extreme Beach Volleyball.

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