Mass Effect 3 Review

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Rainboq:

Susan Arendt:
-snip-

Hang on, just a question, are the RPG elements more in depth, like the first Mass Effect, did they stick to the Mass Effect 2 model or did they go for a middle ground?

Depends on what you mean when you say "RPG elements." If you mean the stats, you can really only adjust things that apply to combat, as per usual. Your conversation choices will impact the game in significant ways, (and some subtle ways...be mindful of who you "support" on the Citadel).

Does that help?

BaronIveagh:
Susan, the problem is that I've been told what to write by my bosses about more then one EA release. DA2 was a 'GOTY' and a '9 out of 10' before they ever let me see it, because EA was dumping more advertising dollars on us then God. Then I got to play it and it sucked.

So, when I see a site start publishing gushing reviews when all we have is a trailer, it sends up all sorts of warning flags to me, because I once had to write those myself.

Who are you and who did you write for?

Susan Arendt:

Rainboq:

Susan Arendt:
-snip-

Hang on, just a question, are the RPG elements more in depth, like the first Mass Effect, did they stick to the Mass Effect 2 model or did they go for a middle ground?

Depends on what you mean when you say "RPG elements." If you mean the stats, you can really only adjust things that apply to combat, as per usual. Your conversation choices will impact the game in significant ways, (and some subtle ways...be mindful of who you "support" on the Citadel).

Does that help?

A bit, I was really wondering if there was a more diverse skill tree, like in the first game. But yeah, that does answer some questions, so thanks!

Susan Arendt:

I take my integrity very seriously. I can't imagine a payoff that would be big enough to be worth ruining my good name for. You can't get trust back once you've squandered it. Why the hell would I ruin my relationship with readers to please EA? People throw out accusations of corruption so casually, and I don't think they really think through what they're suggesting.

Susan, while you're exactly right about trust, I can tell you that the motivators for editors are to fix a review or quash a story are. Need, Greed, and Fear of Loss. Find the right combination of those, and the most honest editors and writers will lie through their teeth.

Based on your response, I'd say that fear of loss would be my first angle of approach, if I were looking to manipulate you. Your immediate response to the possibility of a corruption accusation suggests that you value what you have highly, but have little interest beyond your goals, whatever they may be.

And the sad part is that I've very rarely seen a journalist get called out for giving a good review to a bad game or movie or book, but I've seen more then one lose their jobs for writing a review the management didn't like. So there's always that little voice in the back of your head saying 'Maybe they won't remember I wrote this.'

Going out to get it soon. I can't wait. I haven't been a terribly huge fan of mass effect thus far. I loved the second one, didn't like the first one. But the third one... oh Jesus, it looks good.

Susan Arendt:

BaronIveagh:

Susan Arendt:

Couldn't be because we think the game is actually that damn good, could it?

And of course we're going to encourage people to go watch Gavin - why wouldn't we? He works for us, and our readers really love him. How would we look if we didn't tell people to go watch him?

Susan, the problem is that I've been told what to write by my bosses about more then one EA release. DA2 was a 'GOTY' and a '9 out of 10' before they ever let me see it, because EA was dumping more advertising dollars on us then God. Then I got to play it and it sucked.

So, when I see a site start publishing gushing reviews when all we have is a trailer, it sends up all sorts of warning flags to me, because I once had to write those myself. Particularly when regulars like Gavin are getting something out of it, much as IGN is. I don't write reviews for (video) games anymore, and am glad of it.

If you think I've been bought, don't read my reviews. Or the reviews of anyone here. Ever. Either you trust us not to bullshit you, or you don't.

I take my integrity very seriously. I can't imagine a payoff that would be big enough to be worth ruining my good name for. You can't get trust back once you've squandered it. Why the hell would I ruin my relationship with readers to please EA? People throw out accusations of corruption so casually, and I don't think they really think through what they're suggesting.

But whatever. You had a bad experience, so you assume all sites are on the take. C'est la vie.

It's a problem with reviews in general however, these reports are really common.
EA's name is often linked to these cases.

It's skepticism, rather then outright accusation, that that's a big difference.

I hope you don't take it personally when people raise the eyebrow, because it's generally less about commenting on the review and reviewer in question and more about looking at the broader scope.

Space Edition Players, Pirates and those who got an early copy in the mail all had mixed reviews.

Then we get the Press Reviews, who's sites are plastered with advertisements, giveaways, competitions and hype articles about the game in question all giving it gushing 10/10 scores.
Then those scores are found all over posters in game stores and up on the official sites within minutes.

It's hard to take any press opinion to seriously with this conflict of interest, even if you guys are (most likely) just giving site visitors what they want and having fun with the game in question.

Just wanted try clear up (at least what I can gather from talking to folks) where the mean old "haters" are coming from.

We're just cynical and looking at the game as a product and hoping to get a balanced and informative review of the goods.

I think most here are just happy and optimistic fans who want to know the game is great and talk about their favorite bits. And that's fine.

We've just been burned by the industry to many times and by Bioware, once champions, in particular.

Hope you have a nice day and don't take any particularly venomous comments to heart :)

BaronIveagh:

Susan Arendt:

I take my integrity very seriously. I can't imagine a payoff that would be big enough to be worth ruining my good name for. You can't get trust back once you've squandered it. Why the hell would I ruin my relationship with readers to please EA? People throw out accusations of corruption so casually, and I don't think they really think through what they're suggesting.

Susan, while you're exactly right about trust, I can tell you that the motivators for editors are to fix a review or quash a story are. Need, Greed, and Fear of Loss. Find the right combination of those, and the most honest editors and writers will lie through their teeth.

Based on your response, I'd say that fear of loss would be my first angle of approach, if I were looking to manipulate you. Your immediate response to the possibility of a corruption accusation suggests that you value what you have highly, but have little interest beyond your goals, whatever they may be.

And the sad part is that I've very rarely seen a journalist get called out for giving a good review to a bad game or movie or book, but I've seen more then one lose their jobs for writing a review the management didn't like. So there's always that little voice in the back of your head saying 'Maybe they won't remember I wrote this.'

Speak for yourself, please. If I lose my job over telling the truth, fine - I don't want to work for a place that would ask me to lie.

Also, don't talk down to me as though I'm somehow oblivious to the way things work. I've been in this industry for quite some time and am well aware of the kinds of pressures that can be applied.

I had a very successful career outside of game journalism, and if I have to go back to it because I choose to stick to my personal ideals, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Must. Get. Windows. Working. On. Mac.

For those of you that got the PC version I got two promo codes I'm not using so enjoy. If you take one though quote or message I can edit it and people no its gone.

BTW: They're for some sniper rifle

D82D-VVLS-LUHX-KGBP

9Z95-H3QZ-AQXA-3D4P

These ONLY work on PC.

Edit: Forgot to say how to redeem:
1) Open origin
2) Options, redeem product code
3) Shoot people

Rainboq:

MiracleOfSound:

BaronIveagh:
-snipping out meanness-

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

A date with Liara or Miranda?

Meh, in-game romances don't interest me all that much, in any game...

Blunderboy:

Sensual back rubs from Wrex of course.

...hmmmm [perks up] The Krogan probably give good strong back rubs.

Too bad. Playing through the entire series. From Game One. For the first time.

This is going to take a while.......

I already know how piss-poor the endings are so I'm gonna pay until right before the endings and never touch it again. Simple as that.

Susan Arendt:

BaronIveagh:

Susan Arendt:

I take my integrity very seriously. I can't imagine a payoff that would be big enough to be worth ruining my good name for. You can't get trust back once you've squandered it. Why the hell would I ruin my relationship with readers to please EA? People throw out accusations of corruption so casually, and I don't think they really think through what they're suggesting.

Susan, while you're exactly right about trust, I can tell you that the motivators for editors are to fix a review or quash a story are. Need, Greed, and Fear of Loss. Find the right combination of those, and the most honest editors and writers will lie through their teeth.

Based on your response, I'd say that fear of loss would be my first angle of approach, if I were looking to manipulate you. Your immediate response to the possibility of a corruption accusation suggests that you value what you have highly, but have little interest beyond your goals, whatever they may be.

And the sad part is that I've very rarely seen a journalist get called out for giving a good review to a bad game or movie or book, but I've seen more then one lose their jobs for writing a review the management didn't like. So there's always that little voice in the back of your head saying 'Maybe they won't remember I wrote this.'

Speak for yourself, please. If I lose my job over telling the truth, fine - I don't want to work for a place that would ask me to lie.

Also, don't talk down to me as though I'm somehow oblivious to the way things work. I've been in this industry for quite some time and am well aware of the kinds of pressures that can be applied.

I had a very successful career outside of game journalism, and if I have to go back to it because I choose to stick to my personal ideals, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Given that he seems (at least the way I read it) to be admitting to writing a review praising a game he hadn't played because his bosses told him to, I don't think he'd understand integrity Ms Arendt.

MiracleOfSound:

Rainboq:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

A date with Liara or Miranda?

Meh, in-game romances don't interest me all that much, in any game...

*shrugs* Well, enjoy your opinion then! And honestly, ignore the haters, you've earned your recognition from your sheer genius.

MiracleOfSound:

Rainboq:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

A date with Liara or Miranda?

Meh, in-game romances don't interest me all that much, in any game...

Blunderboy:

Sensual back rubs from Wrex of course.

...hmmmm [perks up] The Krogan probably give good strong back rubs.

Oh yeah. You know that knot between your shoulder baldes? A Krogan massage would kick the shit out of that. With a headbutt.

ResonanceSD:

Susan Arendt:
Mass Effect 3 Review

The ending the series - and its fans - deserve.

Read Full Article

Susan recommended it? Sure thing. When it makes it onto steam that is. None of that origin muck on my pc, thanks =D

Pretty much this. I'll wait it out until EA comes to their senses and puts it on Steam. I'm disappointed, but it's better than having Origin do what it does.

TLS14:

ResonanceSD:

Susan Arendt:
Mass Effect 3 Review

The ending the series - and its fans - deserve.

Read Full Article

Susan recommended it? Sure thing. When it makes it onto steam that is. None of that origin muck on my pc, thanks =D

Pretty much this. I'll wait it out until EA comes to their senses and puts it on Steam. I'm disappointed, but it's better than having Origin do what it does.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but putting it on Steam probably isn't going to happen for a long time, EA is trying to get business for Origin.

Blunderboy:

Susan Arendt:

BaronIveagh:

Susan, while you're exactly right about trust, I can tell you that the motivators for editors are to fix a review or quash a story are. Need, Greed, and Fear of Loss. Find the right combination of those, and the most honest editors and writers will lie through their teeth.

Based on your response, I'd say that fear of loss would be my first angle of approach, if I were looking to manipulate you. Your immediate response to the possibility of a corruption accusation suggests that you value what you have highly, but have little interest beyond your goals, whatever they may be.

And the sad part is that I've very rarely seen a journalist get called out for giving a good review to a bad game or movie or book, but I've seen more then one lose their jobs for writing a review the management didn't like. So there's always that little voice in the back of your head saying 'Maybe they won't remember I wrote this.'

Speak for yourself, please. If I lose my job over telling the truth, fine - I don't want to work for a place that would ask me to lie.

Also, don't talk down to me as though I'm somehow oblivious to the way things work. I've been in this industry for quite some time and am well aware of the kinds of pressures that can be applied.

I had a very successful career outside of game journalism, and if I have to go back to it because I choose to stick to my personal ideals, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Given that he seems (at least the way I read it) to be admitting to writing a review praising a game he hadn't played because his bosses told him to, I don't think he'd understand integrity Ms Arendt.

Hadn't thought about it that way. ;)

ResonanceSD:

Susan Arendt:
Mass Effect 3 Review

The ending the series - and its fans - deserve.

Read Full Article

Susan recommended it? Sure thing. When it makes it onto steam that is. None of that origin muck on my pc, thanks =D

Im so tempted to just buy it on origin especially since they changed their data scanning eula. XD

Rainboq:

TLS14:

ResonanceSD:

Susan recommended it? Sure thing. When it makes it onto steam that is. None of that origin muck on my pc, thanks =D

Pretty much this. I'll wait it out until EA comes to their senses and puts it on Steam. I'm disappointed, but it's better than having Origin do what it does.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but putting it on Steam probably isn't going to happen for a long time, EA is trying to get business for Origin.

Eh, fair enough. I figure that's what's going to happen, anyway, so I guess Origin is the way to go in my case. I mean I don't have a 360 or even a PS3 copy of ME2, so that's out of the question. Just to be sure, though, does anyone here have an Origin account, and can they verify that it's safe?

Ehh, I don't really feel like supporting ea so I'm just gonna wait till its on sale used for cheap. Besides I don't really use my 360 anymore anyway.

BaronIveagh:
SNIP'

Here's what I read from your post:

'I once gave up my integrity and made a corrupt review so now I presume that everyone else has the same moral standard and would do the same thing.'

Andy Chalk:

Who are you and who did you write for?

My name's Colin Young, and feel free to visit your nearest library to dig out the now dead papers I occasionally got my own byline in. I usually didn't get one though.

Susan Arendt:

Speak for yourself, please. If I lose my job over telling the truth, fine - I don't want to work for a place that would ask me to lie.

Well, in that at least, we have something in common. I actually did lose a job for refusing to lie, and I do feel good about it to this day, because the Buffalo News ran a story vindicating my findings on the front page back in 2010, even though it didn't get my byline.

Rainboq:

*shrugs* Well, enjoy your opinion then! And honestly, ignore the haters, you've earned your recognition from your sheer genius.

Lol! Thanks dude. I'm not worried about my reputation don't worry :) I make songs about things I love - it's a good job.

It's Susan I'm defending because some idiots presume she CAN'T have enjoyed a game they didn't like.

MiracleOfSound:

Lol! Thanks dudeette. I'm not worried about my reputation don't worry :) I make songs about things I love - it's a good job.

Well, you, my good sir, seem to be living one hell of a great life, keep making awesome music!

EDIT: Wow, the quotes were being all weird @ . @

Rainboq:
Well, you, my good sir, seem to be living one hell of a great life, keep making awesome music!

LOL we messed up eachothers' quote boxes twice.

Well it sounds great, but sadly that origin requirement is just too great a turnoff for me to ignore. Guess I'll just have to go without.

MiracleOfSound:

Here's what I read from your post:

'I once gave up my integrity and made a corrupt review so now I presume that everyone else has the same moral standard and would do the same thing.'

No, what I said was that whenever I see the same pattern emerge, I suspect it. There is a difference.

Oh, and don't make it sound so easy. It was that or not get the job writing the story and not keep my house because my non-writing job took a turn for the worse. I've lived on the street. Pass on doing it a second time.

MiracleOfSound:

Rainboq:
Well, you, my good sir, seem to be living one hell of a great life, keep making awesome music!

LOL we messed up eachothers' quote boxes twice.

XD Looks like we need a refresher in BB code

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

continued access to review code for future bighugegames from bighugepublishers...gotta have that day 1 review up on the site, right?

BoogityBoogityMan:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

continued access to review code for future bighugegames from bighugepublishers...gotta have that day 1 review up on the site, right?

Uhhhh, publishers are looking for hype, hence why they give out early copies, in the hopes it gets a positive review and more people buy it.

Susan Arendt:
snip

Hey don't pay attention to the haters too much Susan, you've got integrity and a reader base in the thousands if not tens of thousands. You wouldn't have gotten to where you are by leading your readers astray consistently.

Also I'm jealous, I would kill just to have a dozen people read one of my articles or posts on my blog lol.

BoogityBoogityMan:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

continued access to review code for future bighugegames from bighugepublishers...gotta have that day 1 review up on the site, right?

The fact that Bioware TV is running his music, exposing his work to a wider audience? Most artists consider that a very good thing to be getting. It is, after all, what a lot of artists have historically been willing to sign away creative rights for, though on a much smaller scale, since Bioware is hardly a recording contract with BMI.

BoogityBoogityMan:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

continued access to review code for future bighugegames from bighugepublishers...gotta have that day 1 review up on the site, right?

Again... how does that affect me any more than anyone on the site? I don't do reviews.

BaronIveagh:

BoogityBoogityMan:

MiracleOfSound:

Pray tell... what exactly do I have to gain from ME3 getting a good review?

This I have to hear.

continued access to review code for future bighugegames from bighugepublishers...gotta have that day 1 review up on the site, right?

The fact that Bioware TV is running his music, exposing his work to a wider audience? Most artists consider that a very good thing to be getting. It is, after all, what a lot of artists have historically been willing to sign away creative rights for, though on a much smaller scale, since Bioware is hardly a recording contract with BMI.

It could be that Bioware just really like his work, and want to share that with their community.

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