Zero Punctuation: Mass Effect 3

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To be fair to Yahtzee, he did admit that he's always jaded. He never seemed to be 'in' to Mass Effect anyway (in his ME1 review, he romanced Ashley Williams of all people, and just got weirded out that she has the same name as Bruce Campbell's character from Evil Dead.) So while it would have been great to see him get his narc on about the ending, I can understand his indifference.

Yahtzee, I'm guessing your girlfriend dumped you or something, because while there's always been a lot of fapping jokes on the reviews, it seems for a while now things have taken a more bitter (and less funny) tone towards all things sexual. It plays into the stereotype of gamers being alienated losers, and I know you don't want that to be your persona.

to be honest, I never got what people liked about mass effect.
I only played the first, and only the first 30% or something,
but it was terrible imo, just way too boring.

Experimental:

pandorum:
If you still want to know, the game basically ends with choice A, B, C no matter what choices you make through out the last two games that's the three you get not to bad i suppose...... but each ending is exactly the same and no matter what the mass relays get destroyed stranding every race who came to help earth as it would take hundreds of years to get back, not to bad for the Asari but the others not so much and the majority do not eat human food as it could kill them. Bioware is calling it artistic but if every ending is exactly the same that's lazy, it boils down to which color of explosion you like most RED, BLUE or GREEN I love the game till the end so i play till the last second then save turn it off and imagine how the ending should of gone, not the garbage they gave, it seems to me they ran out of time on development and rushed the last bit not thinking they were identical.

Well, isn't this pretty much what happened with Deus Ex: HR? The relevance of your choices had no impact in the ending except for the last choice, it was really a downer, but we survived, so why is people still getting mad with ME3?

Because of the major plot hole, destroying the Mass Relay in the Arrival DLC destroys that star system but in mass effect 3 it would of wiped out all life in every system. If it did not then everyone is stuck in their star system that they are in now, effectively plunging the entire galaxy in to the dark ages at least the three in HR were different to some degree no closer but still different. Look on you tube all three in mass are identical bar who comes out of the Normandy at the end, joker always comes out making him a deserter in war because he was on the front line ten min before fighting the Reapers.

All of this seems strange to me. Everyone is talking about the ending and not the game. I haven't finished the game yet, but I'm loving it. Some of the things he mentions really felt like strengths to me. It's strange that Yahtzee sounded like he was upset there weren't new characters when the story is already saturated and really doesn't need to be cluttered with even more characters to end the story line. It even sounded like a negative that it was so well written. Also, don't you blast shit from space? Like a Reaper? And the little differences in game play, such as the aforementioned Reaper laser strike mission, was amazing. I felt like they showed off the locales in really cool ways, i.e. shooting at Husks running at the Quarian Admiral from a hovering shuttle. Even though some of these game mechanics were short, they made this game the best experience in the franchise for me. And the amazing detail on all of the locations, most of which we haven't seen in previous games. I even felt like I was being rewarded for exploring all that the area had to offer. While some people don't like the multi-player aspect, I think it's brilliant. You and your squad literally represent the team worked needed to save the galaxy with cooperation in the front lines of a war. Like most of you, I have played the first two games many times and have so much invested in the story and charters. I have imported my saved games to both sequels and I get reminded of my triumphs and mistakes. I don't feel cheated at all, and I know how it ends. I can't go to a website without it being brought up, and most of my db friends won't shut up about it. Sad to see such a bastion of great storytelling be subjugated to....what every this is. (With my friends it sounds and feels like crybaby syndrome)

You can count on Yatzeeh not taking notice of or even getting universal (unfanboy) criticism but otherwise pointing out obvious criticism that tends to be overlooked in the fuss... Among other things, this is a very typical Yatzeeh-phenomenon. Just don't expect straight-on criticism that one side can fully sympathise with. (Or some can, of course.)

marshmallowSDA:

"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."
-John Carmack

You know. That's John Carmack. The guy who made the graphics engine (!) for Doom (!).

I think I'll wait for a "Game of the Year" version or a "Mass Effect Collection". That is, if that is ever gonna happen.

Invadergray:
Yahtzee is a more valid authority on games than any cheeto-laden forum goer on this site. So if he says it could have been worse and maybe people are overreacting, I'm more inclined to believe that than some frothing man-child shouting "Aye wash lied two! DA nartive wash epic falez. Shivilishashun will nao collapse." He's not a bad journalist, he didn't overlook anything "all-important," and if you think you think you're disappointed because of his journalistic process which hasn't changed since 2009, it may just be possible that you're only upset he didn't take YOUR side. He took the middle ground, didn't address the controversy for more than a couple sentences. That's perfectly reasonable. This isn't in response to any comment in particular, more a pre-empt on all the ones sure to come. Don't hate on Yahtzee for this. Feel free to hate on me though, I'm really biased.

Just because Yahtzee has his own internet show doesn't mean that his opinion is worth more than anyone else's. As long as you can express your opinion in a civilised, well thought out manner, I don't really see what the problem is. I mean, isn't that exactly what Yahtzee has done? So what makes him so different from everyone else, except for the fact that he's famous.

Besides, there are good arguments on both sides of the debate and to simply dismiss every single one of them as "cheeto-laden man-children" is not only in poor taste, it's just simply untrue.

Shiro No Uma:
All of this seems strange to me. Everyone is talking about the ending and not the game.

That's because the game is great, every reveiwer agrees.

Except yahtzee but we all know how biased against any sort of cover system he is, and we know he rushed through like he was being chased by a lion.

It's just the last ten minutes that fails miserably.

The rest of your post is so ironic it's not worth commenting on really. (In case it's not obvious enough that's because the rest of the game is so great, the story telling is above par for games...and then you get to the ending.)

FallenMessiah88:
Just because Yahtzee has his own internet show doesn't mean that his opinion is worth more than anyone else's. As long as you can express your opinion in a civilised, well thought out manner, I don't really see what the problem is. I mean, isn't that exactly what Yahtzee has done? So what makes him so different from everyone else, except for the fact that he's famous.

Besides, there are good arguments on both sides of the debate and to simply dismiss every single one of them as "cheeto-laden man-children" is not only in poor taste, it's just simply untrue.

I am not referring to everyone in disagreement, I'm referring to a specific type of person who can be found taking that position. Probably didn't make that distinction well enough. e.g. Someone like you with well-reasoned arguments and a respect for other people's opinion is not the type of person I would call a cheeto-laden man-child frothing at the mouth (you forgot that important last part).

As for your first point, Yahtzee's fame is not what gives him credibility. It's his past experience and exposure to games, the gaming industry, his status as an internet mogul (not his fame so much as his actual influence such as his ability to get developers to draw womanly pictures for him), as well as his connections in the gaming industry and the gaming community. It's called ethos and he has more of it than you or I do. His opinion IS more valid than ours because he knows more about what he's talking about.

Again, the comment was not about attacking one side of an argument, but more trying to mitigate undeserved ire on Yahtzee by people who had the wrong expectations, namely by redirecting it. Your response was not the one I was expecting and I wouldn't have felt the need to say what I said if everyone was as rational. If you still disagree I can respect that because you're doing it right. Now teach the rest of them

FallenMessiah88:

Besides, there are good arguments on both sides of the debate and to simply dismiss every single one of them as "cheeto-laden man-children" is not only in poor taste, it's just simply untrue.

So what you're suggesting is that each side of this debate doesn't try to use strawmen arguments and portray the other side as entitled whiny manchildren/biodrones+corporate tools respectively?
And heck even try to understand each other's arguments?

And that we don't take the opinions of people with their own net shows and net articles as truths to be blindy followed?

You have dangerous ideas.

Shiro No Uma:
All of this seems strange to me. Everyone is talking about the ending and not the game. I haven't finished the game yet)

Maybe when you finish the game and reach the end all this won't seem so strange to you.

There's a hella lot of people thinking this way though "yeh i've only played the first half of the game and don't get why people say the game was awesome until the end", I honestly thought it was trolling at first but nope, way too many people are saying things like this.

Bang, right in the fanboy vajayjay.

Bravo Yahtzee very right you are... no. 2 and 3 just killed all concept of being a planet surface exploring, biotic spamming, stat porn fulled, arse kicking bag of fun.

Andrew_C:

Joccaren:
Wait, someone doing an Escapist article that doesn't paint the Mass Effect 3 protests as childish and stupid?
HOLY CRAP!

Er, didn't you hear him say "Are you sure not not upset about the ending because it IS an ending" (or word to that effect).

He has stated his opinion, and offered a counter argument (Which English Professionals have rebuffed already - it is an ending but not a conclusion). I will respect that. What I will not respect is when people go out of their way to make it sound stupid. I.E:
"but I still think the idea of demanding a new and "better" ending is ludicrous. I don't really have a stake in either side of this debate" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116390-BioWare-Considering-Calls-for-New-Mass-Effect-3-Ending
"Congratulations, "Mass Effect" crybabies. You've officially set the entire medium back a DECADE as an art form" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.355624-MovieBobs-thoughts-on-the-ME3-ending-controversy
"I want to point and laugh at the petition... Am I really going to have to throw a thumbs-up at something so patently ridiculous?... your demand for a Mass Effect 3 rewrite is beyond ludicrous" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116315-Mass-Effect-3-Petition-Raises-Funds-For-Charity
and probably a couple more I could find if I looked. 'Ludicrous', 'Ridiculous', 'Crybabies', ect.
That I will not accept. Movie Bob's was on His Twitter I believe, so at least its not in an article here, but views such as this seem meant to offend those who legitimately oppose the Mass Effect 3 endings. Its not just saying 'I don't agree, and here's why/I'm not going to go into why', its saying 'I don't agree, and you guys are idiots for thinking this'. Its insulting and I personally expected better from here. The more recent articles from the Escapist don't have as much/any of this in them thankfully, however I have lost all respect for Movie Bob ATM. Unless he can come up with some damn good reasons to justify his position - and not just the 'its art' reason, as that is BS and rebutable in so many ways - I doubt I will actually listen to anything he says after this. He has gone out of his way to offend people, all because they don't share the same views as him. I can not respect that.

Mass Effect 3

First there was that car that handled like a fridge on a roller skate ... I'm just gonna say it: I liked the fridge-rollerskate-car business in the first one, at least it made the galaxy seem like there were things in it besides linear arrangements of chest-high walls. Maybe people wouldn't have complained about it so much if they had given it a rocket jump or a big pair of truck nuts; removing it entirely smacked of giving up too easily.

Mass Effect 1

Then there are the unavoidable driving sections, made frustrating by handling like a fat man on a unicycle.

Oh, how quickly we forget. But the internet remembers.

You expected better from here? weird I expected worse. They were always going to side with the industry they've latched onto. The only people who might side with consumers is the penny arcade guys and they're conveniently split one on the industrys one on consumers one defending the artists perogative (hypocritical hogwash though it is, especially if you've seen the back lash to one of the writers bagging the ending and getting slammed for it) the other agreeing that it certainly was an end but no fitting conclusion.

In short don't be surprised when game reviewers take the side of the industry because it's far to close to shooting themselves in the foot otherwise.

Invadergray:

FallenMessiah88:
Just because Yahtzee has his own internet show doesn't mean that his opinion is worth more than anyone else's. As long as you can express your opinion in a civilised, well thought out manner, I don't really see what the problem is. I mean, isn't that exactly what Yahtzee has done? So what makes him so different from everyone else, except for the fact that he's famous.

Besides, there are good arguments on both sides of the debate and to simply dismiss every single one of them as "cheeto-laden man-children" is not only in poor taste, it's just simply untrue.

I am not referring to everyone in disagreement, I'm referring to a specific type of person who can be found taking that position. Probably didn't make that distinction well enough. e.g. Someone like you with well-reasoned arguments and a respect for other people's opinion is not the type of person I would call a cheeto-laden man-child frothing at the mouth (you forgot that important last part).

As for your first point, Yahtzee's fame is not what gives him credibility. It's his past experience and exposure to games, the gaming industry, his status as an internet mogul (not his fame so much as his actual influence such as his ability to get developers to draw womanly pictures for him), as well as his connections in the gaming industry and the gaming community. It's called ethos and he has more of it than you or I do. His opinion IS more valid than ours because he knows more about what he's talking about.

Again, the comment was not about attacking one side of an argument, but more trying to mitigate undeserved ire on Yahtzee by people who had the wrong expectations, namely by redirecting it. Your response was not the one I was expecting and I wouldn't have felt the need to say what I said if everyone was as rational. If you still disagree I can respect that because you're doing it right. Now teach the rest of them

So you were only talking about the more extreme sides of the argument? Well in that case I can surely understand your wording a lot better.

I agree that Yahtzee can definately be considered an authority on many things, even more so than you and i or many other people on this site. So I agree that when he has something to say about a given subject, one should definately listen, despite how much he may enjoy trolling his fans (or just fans in general).

However, I still think that ultimately, you should form your own opinion, rather than simply parroting others' opinions. Still, this is more in relation to things like judging whether a game is "good" or not. For example if I think a game is bad but Yahtzee think it is good, that does not mean that my opinion is suddenly invalid. It could mean that perhaps I should reconsider my stance, but that is about it.

And thanks for the compliment. You keep on doing what you are doing as well. You definitely have the right idea.

Frankster:

FallenMessiah88:

Besides, there are good arguments on both sides of the debate and to simply dismiss every single one of them as "cheeto-laden man-children" is not only in poor taste, it's just simply untrue.

So what you're suggesting is that each side of this debate doesn't try to use strawmen arguments and portray the other side as entitled whiny manchildren/biodrones+corporate tools respectively?
And heck even try to understand each other's arguments?

And that we don't take the opinions of people with their own net shows and net articles as truths to be blindy followed?

You have dangerous ideas.

No, that is not what I am suggesting. What I am suggesting is that that is not the only kind of arguments that can be found on either side of the debate.

AngleWyrm:
Mass Effect 3

First there was that car that handled like a fridge on a roller skate ... I'm just gonna say it: I liked the fridge-rollerskate-car business in the first one, at least it made the galaxy seem like there were things in it besides linear arrangements of chest-high walls. Maybe people wouldn't have complained about it so much if they had given it a rocket jump or a big pair of truck nuts; removing it entirely smacked of giving up too easily.

Mass Effect 1

Then there are the unavoidable driving sections, made frustrating by handling like a fat man on a unicycle.

Oh, how quickly we forget. But the internet remembers.

I believe he meant that even though the Mako was terrible to drive, the concept of why it was there was great and gave ME1 exploratory feel, just that the handling was made in the crappiest way possible detracting how fun it could have been.

Thank you for putting in an inside joke for those of us who have sex.
Very funny.

Also, Police Academy had a third installment that was just as good as the previous installments but you have to keep in mind that the previous installments were still Police Academy movies.

No mention of MP or Endingtron 3000 at all?

I wonder if he went for the "indifference is even worse criticism than outrage", in which case he pulled it off quite well.

Darkcerb:

Shiro No Uma:
All of this seems strange to me. Everyone is talking about the ending and not the game.

That's because the game is great, every reveiwer agrees.

Except yahtzee but we all know how biased against any sort of cover system he is, and we know he rushed through like he was being chased by a lion.

It's just the last ten minutes that fails miserably.

The rest of your post is so ironic it's not worth commenting on really. (In case it's not obvious enough that's because the rest of the game is so great, the story telling is above par for games...and then you get to the ending.)

First: Yahtzee is a critic not a game reviewer. There is a distinction.
Second: I don't think you know what irony is. If you did then maybe the see how people can fail by not understanding what it is they have being experiencing. I just finished the game and It held up it's end of the bargain and then some. You could see where this was going for most of the game. That is unless it went over your head. I might be the only one, but I loved it.

Shiro No Uma:

Darkcerb:

Shiro No Uma:
All of this seems strange to me. Everyone is talking about the ending and not the game.

That's because the game is great, every reveiwer agrees.

Except yahtzee but we all know how biased against any sort of cover system he is, and we know he rushed through like he was being chased by a lion.

It's just the last ten minutes that fails miserably.

The rest of your post is so ironic it's not worth commenting on really. (In case it's not obvious enough that's because the rest of the game is so great, the story telling is above par for games...and then you get to the ending.)

First: Yahtzee is a critic not a game reviewer. There is a distinction.
Second: I don't think you know what irony is. If you did then maybe the see how people can fail by not understanding what it is they have being experiencing. I just finished the game and It held up it's end of the bargain and then some. You could see where this was going for most of the game. That is unless it went over your head. I might be the only one, but I loved it.

First: grasping at straws a bit arn't we especially when yahtzee repeatedly refers to himself as both.
Second: It is ironic that you at first list the game's brilliant story as a defense of it's shit ending that you hadn't experienced.

And i knew it wouldn't be a happy star wars ending what I didn't know is it would be a deus ex machina, teleportation and characters behaving completely backwards riddled mess.

But hey if you liked it good for you, but don't put your monocle on and pretend it was anything but an incredibly ham fisted grasp at "artsy" that missed and hit "vague, plot hole ridden mess"

Darkcerb:

Shiro No Uma:

Darkcerb:

That's because the game is great, every reveiwer agrees.

Except yahtzee but we all know how biased against any sort of cover system he is, and we know he rushed through like he was being chased by a lion.

It's just the last ten minutes that fails miserably.

The rest of your post is so ironic it's not worth commenting on really. (In case it's not obvious enough that's because the rest of the game is so great, the story telling is above par for games...and then you get to the ending.)

First: Yahtzee is a critic not a game reviewer. There is a distinction.
Second: I don't think you know what irony is. If you did then maybe the see how people can fail by not understanding what it is they have being experiencing. I just finished the game and It held up it's end of the bargain and then some. You could see where this was going for most of the game. That is unless it went over your head. I might be the only one, but I loved it.

First: grasping at straws a bit arn't we especially when yahtzee repeatedly refers to himself as both.
Second: It is ironic that you at first list the game's brilliant story as a defense of it's shit ending that you hadn't experienced.

And i knew it wouldn't be a happy star wars ending what I didn't know is it would be a deus ex machina, teleportation and characters behaving completely backwards riddled mess.

But hey if you liked it good for you, but don't put your monocle on and pretend it was anything but an incredibly ham fisted grasp at "artsy" that missed and hit "vague, plot hole ridden mess"

You and he both can refer to yourselves as what ever you want, but refusing to play certain parts of games, i.e. multi-player, doesn't make you part game reviewer. Movie critics don't walk out half way through a film and then review it with a thumbs down because they don't know what happened. Kind of like admitting you played through a game really fast and missed all of the side quests because who cares about the story. Now I was about to get nasty now and say you have bad hair, but discussing this further over this forum might be good for the both of us. So instead I think you should actually read my original post, because the really irony is I never say anything about the games brilliant story while it has a bad ending. Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want....is that ironic?

Spoiler warning in case anyone here is thick enough to think the ending wasn't going to come up.

Please explain to all of us how the ending works. Because obviously things have gone over my head and only you have the answers.

I guess something must have gone over my head when shep suddenly becomes a completely apathetic puppet to a literal deus ex machina.

I guess when my crew teleport back to the normandy in time to run away just as fast as they could and are seemingly pleased with it and happy to be stranded on a planet in the middle of no where.

I guess I care about the victory fleet with the synthetics and organics working together that is now stranded and or dead (and completely ignored by ghost god child) via relay splosions.

I suppose I have trouble feeling like my heroic sacrifise has any meaning whatsoever when all the relays explode killing everything in a massive radius.

I find myself wondering why said deus ex machina didn't open the relay when soveriegn was perched erotically in the center of it's flower in ME1.

If you like it great but you're still pretending there's plenty of depth to be had when it's a deliberately vague mess obviously shat out at the final hour of development. Unless you prescribe to the inodoc theory which though explains the ending it certainly wasn't intended by bioware.

And though I agree I find it hilarious that yahtzee was whatever you wanted him to be to support your argument and now you're dropping him like a sack of bricks when it's not useful. Why don't you mention my grammar next, that's a good way to argue while not arguing too.

My primary point of disappointment was that there were no space combat sections, which is an utter shame considering the golden opportunity that the Mass Effect universe presents. I demand a talking plushie doll of Mordin to make up for this injustice.

Darkcerb:
Spoiler warning in case anyone here is thick enough to think the ending wasn't going to come up.

Please explain to all of us how the ending works. Because obviously things have gone over my head and only you have the answers.

I guess something must have gone over my head when shep suddenly becomes a completely apathetic puppet to a literal deus ex machina.

I guess when my crew teleport back to the normandy in time to run away just as fast as they could and are seemingly pleased with it and happy to be stranded on a planet in the middle of no where.

I guess I care about the victory fleet with the synthetics and organics working together that is now stranded and or dead (and completely ignored by ghost god child) via relay splosions.

I suppose I have trouble feeling like my heroic sacrifise has any meaning whatsoever when all the relays explode killing everything in a massive radius.

I find myself wondering why said deus ex machina didn't open the relay when soveriegn was perched erotically in the center of it's flower in ME1.

If you like it great but you're still pretending there's plenty of depth to be had when it's a deliberately vague mess obviously shat out at the final hour of development. Unless you prescribe to the inodoc theory which though explains the ending it certainly wasn't intended by bioware.

And though I agree I find it hilarious that yahtzee was whatever you wanted him to be to support your argument and now you're dropping him like a sack of bricks when it's not useful. Why don't you mention my grammar next, that's a good way to argue while not arguing too.

What are you talking about? Your grammar is fine. Your ability to understand is not so great. My comment about the very entertaining Yahtzee is a separate thought then my questioning your poorly thought out attack about my first post. Your hypocritical "Put on your monocle" comment is exactly what you do in your reply to that post. I suggest that when you have nothing to say about someone posts you don't try to sound like you do by stating, "The rest of your post is so ironic it's not worth commenting on really. (In case it's not obvious enough that's because the rest of the game is so great, the story telling is above par for games...and then you get to the ending.)" Difference in opinion isn't irony Alanis.

"Your hypocritical "Put on your monocle" comment is exactly what you do in your reply to that post"

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

Right....

I notice you avoided actually responding to the majority of that post. I'm still waiting for your wisdom and enlightening interpretation of the ending.

I love the balloon analogy. It was like Bioware was blowing up a huge balloon, exciting us up for the final bang, and then just... that.

But, I would totally put:

"Could have been worse."
- Yahtzee

... on my box art, alongside:

"Not quite as crap now."
- Yahtzee

YYYYAAAYYYYYYYY!!!! I am not the only one who liked the mako!!

Dr. Stupid:
Yahtzee, I'm guessing your girlfriend dumped you or something, because while there's always been a lot of fapping jokes on the reviews, it seems for a while now things have taken a more bitter (and less funny) tone towards all things sexual. It plays into the stereotype of gamers being alienated losers, and I know you don't want that to be your persona.

I think it was kinda unavoidable with the "romance" ME offers (kinda like with Catherine). Remember how big a thing sex was when the first came out.

Plus aside from the endings and multiplayer, the third installment didn't seem to stick out a lot. Yahtzee cares about neither, so he was short on material, too.

Shiro No Uma:
You and he both can refer to yourselves as what ever you want, but refusing to play certain parts of games, i.e. multi-player, doesn't make you part game reviewer. Movie critics don't walk out half way through a film and then review it with a thumbs down because they don't know what happened.

I don't even want to intrude into your conversation with someone else, but this one caught my attention. Do you really think you can compare multiplayer and parts of a movie? I think multiplayer can be a very fun or a very tedious experience based on who you play with, and sometimes developers can implement the greatest features but the community will ruin the game for you anyway (inversion also possible).
My point is that multiplayer heavily relies on user-generated content only tangentially influenced by the developer, as opposed to a movie where the devs have more or less complete control.
So I don't support it, but I can see why he did it here.

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Darkcerb:
"Your hypocritical "Put on your monocle" comment is exactly what you do in your reply to that post"

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

Right....

I notice you avoided actually responding to the majority of that post. I'm still waiting for your wisdom and enlightening interpretation of the ending.

I don't need to respond to the majority of that post, YOU MAKE ALL THE POINTS FOR ME WITH ALL OF YOUR "GUESSING" and "SUPPOSING." You guess and suppose, so I "assume" you don't have a clear picture of what is happening and like many people you start adding what you assume to justify your dissatisfaction as plot holes. You even put words in my mouth and "assume" that, "I'm pretending there's plenty of depth to be had when it's a deliberately vague." I haven't pretended anything and never stated anything of the sort. You sight several "Guessed" and "Supposed" reasons why the ending doesn't work for you and now you want my wisdom about your issues over this game's ending. I "ASSUME, SUPPOSE AND GUESS" that the game ended it a way that doesn't fit your social understand of how your relate to the world around you. Now, realize that I responded to your lame reply to my original post because of the subtext of your empty "irony" comment. In every reply you have made some emotional attack that has nothing to do with anything I, or we, are discussing. From your "Why don't you mention my grammar next, that's a good way to argue while not arguing too," comment I'm assuming your not an adult and that you don't really want to know what I think about the ending, or where it holds up for me. If you did maybe you would would have asked what ending I choose, or what I thought about the fact that all the charters get to say goodbye right before you run out to your impending death. I just don't see the "apathetic puppet" you did and I think you hold the character up on a pedestal. (Possibly because you control them and see the universe through their experience which become your experiences.) But, Shepard is a puppet to the military and Cerberus and to your "God out of the machine" hang up. Shepard dreams about him and even foreshadows his/her own death in one of the dream sequences. It's the cycle that never ends, unless a different choice is made. And while I can agree that device can make the Reapers a joke, its not the kind that most people are thinking. They are the bad punchline to a horrible "solution." And that's a great question that no one is talking about. Is artificial intelligence life? The implication is dark and that darkness works for me as an underlining thread. Because if it's a yes, the implications of what they are doing is unbelievable...and did you go back and edit your posts and replies? Do you feel like your original words represent you? Thats fine. If you do want to know how this all adds up from my point of view, don't continue to pretend you don't by replying with childish responses, (because "obviously only I have the answers").

Am I the only one who noticed that he mentioned characters and locations by name a lot more than he had in previous ME games?

Shiro No Uma:

Darkcerb:
"Your hypocritical "Put on your monocle" comment is exactly what you do in your reply to that post"

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

Right....

I notice you avoided actually responding to the majority of that post. I'm still waiting for your wisdom and enlightening interpretation of the ending.

I don't need to respond to the majority of that post, YOU MAKE ALL THE POINTS FOR ME WITH ALL OF YOUR "GUESSING" and "SUPPOSING." You guess and suppose, so I "assume" you don't have a clear picture of what is happening and like many people you start adding what you assume to justify your dissatisfaction as plot holes. You even put words in my mouth and "assume" that, "I'm pretending there's plenty of depth to be had when it's a deliberately vague." I haven't pretended anything and never stated anything of the sort. You sight several "Guessed" and "Supposed" reasons why the ending doesn't work for you and now you want my wisdom about your issues over this game's ending. I "ASSUME, SUPPOSE AND GUESS" that the game ended it a way that doesn't fit your social understand of how your relate to the world around you. Now, realize that I responded to your lame reply to my original post because of the subtext of your empty "irony" comment. In every reply you have made some emotional attack that has nothing to do with anything I, or we, are discussing. From your "Why don't you mention my grammar next, that's a good way to argue while not arguing too," comment I'm assuming your not an adult and that you don't really want to know what I think about the ending, or where it holds up for me. If you did maybe you would would have asked what ending I choose, or what I thought about the fact that all the charters get to say goodbye right before you run out to your impending death. I just don't see the "apathetic puppet" you did and I think you hold the character up on a pedestal. (Possibly because you control them and see the universe through their experience which become your experiences.) But, Shepard is a puppet to the military and Cerberus and to your "God out of the machine" hang up. Shepard dreams about him and even foreshadows his/her own death in one of the dream sequences. It's the cycle that never ends, unless a different choice is made. And while I can agree that device can make the Reapers a joke, its not the kind that most people are thinking. They are the bad punchline to a horrible "solution." And that's a great question that no one is talking about. Is artificial intelligence life? The implication is dark and that darkness works for me as an underlining thread. Because if it's a yes, the implications of what they are doing is unbelievable...and did you go back and edit your posts and replies? Do you feel like your original words represent you? Thats fine. If you do want to know how this all adds up from my point of view, don't continue to pretend you don't by replying with childish responses, (because "obviously only I have the answers").

I didn't ask what ending you chose because it doesn't matter, all three are identical save the color it's washed in and whether edi walks out with joker.

I've made no "emotional attacks" against you but you've certainly showed me an emotional response coupled with as many insults as you can pack into a block of text.

The only edits I've made are to correct grammatical issues I've caught.

And obviously you do have the answers, you make that plain:

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

And your answer? sheperds always been an apathetic puppet of the military/cerberous eh? is that why at every stage you've had the option to buck both?

And sure artificial life is still a form of life, we prove that when we unite the geth/quarian or the geth/victory fleet. You act like it's some deep thing when it's not it's yet another plot hole they don't tie up properly.

"The reapers are all sentient" oh wait no there not "The reaper's are my solution"

"I control the reapers"

Are you starting to see where I'm coming from on the ending? You keep taking it as is though if you like.

It's a plot hole ridden mess at best and an insult to the consumers IQ at worst.

And I guessed and supposed because clearly I was wrong and you had seen the big hidden message and you dodged the questions like an infant.

Feel free to actually answer any of the questions and enlighten us.

Marik Bentusi:

Dr. Stupid:
Yahtzee, I'm guessing your girlfriend dumped you or something, because while there's always been a lot of fapping jokes on the reviews, it seems for a while now things have taken a more bitter (and less funny) tone towards all things sexual. It plays into the stereotype of gamers being alienated losers, and I know you don't want that to be your persona.

I think it was kinda unavoidable with the "romance" ME offers (kinda like with Catherine). Remember how big a thing sex was when the first came out.

Plus aside from the endings and multiplayer, the third installment didn't seem to stick out a lot. Yahtzee cares about neither, so he was short on material, too.

Shiro No Uma:
You and he both can refer to yourselves as what ever you want, but refusing to play certain parts of games, i.e. multi-player, doesn't make you part game reviewer. Movie critics don't walk out half way through a film and then review it with a thumbs down because they don't know what happened.

I don't even want to intrude into your conversation with someone else, but this one caught my attention. Do you really think you can compare multiplayer and parts of a movie? I think multiplayer can be a very fun or a very tedious experience based on who you play with, and sometimes developers can implement the greatest features but the community will ruin the game for you anyway (inversion also possible).
My point is that multiplayer heavily relies on user-generated content only tangentially influenced by the developer, as opposed to a movie where the devs have more or less complete control.
So I don't support it, but I can see why he did it here.

Hey Marik,

The point I was trying to make was actually after the part you quoted. "Kind of like admitting you played through a game really fast and missed all of the side quests because who cares about the story." He admitted to rushing threw in the review and missing a good portion of the side quests. My thought is could you give an accurate "review" of something you didn't see entirely.

The prior statement is not the comparison of games and movies (as and art or entertainment and how they relate to each other), it's the closer relationship to the people who critic and review. Both movies and games have critics that review them, critics that critique them and reviewers that...you get it. It feels like semantics, even when I state it, but my point is a lot of people call Yahtzee a game reviewer when, even as entertaining as he is, until he submits to playing all that a game has to offer, he's not reviewing something. I don't think any of us want him to submit though, then he wouldn't be Yahtzee. It's like the difference between a pundit or a journalist. Sometimes the lines blur, but the great part is not all games have multiplayer, and even those ones don't escapist his wrath. (You saw what I did there).

I completely agree that multiplayer can really suck with griefers and the like, but with the current trend in social gaming there is a emphasis now on how these parts of a new game affect the game overall (Oddly it literally affected this game). I'm fine with multiplayer not being someones thing, I did however really like it in this game. What did you think?

Darkcerb:

Shiro No Uma:

Darkcerb:
"Your hypocritical "Put on your monocle" comment is exactly what you do in your reply to that post"

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

Right....

I notice you avoided actually responding to the majority of that post. I'm still waiting for your wisdom and enlightening interpretation of the ending.

I don't need to respond to the majority of that post, YOU MAKE ALL THE POINTS FOR ME WITH ALL OF YOUR "GUESSING" and "SUPPOSING." You guess and suppose, so I "assume" you don't have a clear picture of what is happening and like many people you start adding what you assume to justify your dissatisfaction as plot holes. You even put words in my mouth and "assume" that, "I'm pretending there's plenty of depth to be had when it's a deliberately vague." I haven't pretended anything and never stated anything of the sort. You sight several "Guessed" and "Supposed" reasons why the ending doesn't work for you and now you want my wisdom about your issues over this game's ending. I "ASSUME, SUPPOSE AND GUESS" that the game ended it a way that doesn't fit your social understand of how your relate to the world around you. Now, realize that I responded to your lame reply to my original post because of the subtext of your empty "irony" comment. In every reply you have made some emotional attack that has nothing to do with anything I, or we, are discussing. From your "Why don't you mention my grammar next, that's a good way to argue while not arguing too," comment I'm assuming your not an adult and that you don't really want to know what I think about the ending, or where it holds up for me. If you did maybe you would would have asked what ending I choose, or what I thought about the fact that all the charters get to say goodbye right before you run out to your impending death. I just don't see the "apathetic puppet" you did and I think you hold the character up on a pedestal. (Possibly because you control them and see the universe through their experience which become your experiences.) But, Shepard is a puppet to the military and Cerberus and to your "God out of the machine" hang up. Shepard dreams about him and even foreshadows his/her own death in one of the dream sequences. It's the cycle that never ends, unless a different choice is made. And while I can agree that device can make the Reapers a joke, its not the kind that most people are thinking. They are the bad punchline to a horrible "solution." And that's a great question that no one is talking about. Is artificial intelligence life? The implication is dark and that darkness works for me as an underlining thread. Because if it's a yes, the implications of what they are doing is unbelievable...and did you go back and edit your posts and replies? Do you feel like your original words represent you? Thats fine. If you do want to know how this all adds up from my point of view, don't continue to pretend you don't by replying with childish responses, (because "obviously only I have the answers").

I didn't ask what ending you chose because it doesn't matter, all three are identical save the color it's washed in and whether edi walks out with joker.

I've made no "emotional attacks" against you but you've certainly showed me an emotional response coupled with as many insults as you can pack into a block of text.

The only edits I've made are to correct grammatical issues I've caught.

And obviously you do have the answers, you make that plain:

"Again something has gone over your head because you weren't paying attention and you were giving it the story you want"

"That is unless it went over your head."

And your answer? sheperds always been an apathetic puppet of the military/cerberous eh? is that why at every stage you've had the option to buck both?

And sure artificial life is still a form of life, we prove that when we unite the geth/quarian or the geth/victory fleet. You act like it's some deep thing when it's not it's yet another plot hole they don't tie up properly.

"The reapers are all sentient" oh wait no there not "The reaper's are my solution"

"I control the reapers"

Are you starting to see where I'm coming from on the ending? You keep taking it as is though if you like.

It's a plot hole ridden mess at best and an insult to the consumers IQ at worst.

And I guessed and supposed because clearly I was wrong and you had seen the big hidden message and you dodged the questions like an infant.

Feel free to actually answer any of the questions and enlighten us.

You are still making emotional attacks, and you have significantly edited your posts. If the words you use in your responses aren't how you feel later, thats ok. You aren't AI. But the issue is again you are putting your own story to what you read in my last response. I clearly said "I just don't see an apathetic puppet." Shepard died. He/she is brought back to play a part in the impending doom of the our galaxy. I do think that makes Shepard a puppet as he/she goes along with it (though you can make arguments for Shepard's goals coinciding with everyone else's). I didn't experience the ability to "buck" everyone at every turn. As a mater of fact I felt like I was always asking how I could make everyones life easier. But, you saw it that way and you want a happy ending for the universe you invested so much time into. Personally, I do view the character as more of a hero because of the "IDEA" that you make what you can out of your life, but in the long run he/she does exactly what Cerberus and the military want's. I think I'm beating a dead horse here. You don't want to converse, you want me to tell you why it's so great because boo hoo you didn't like it. I didn't dodge your questions, you had actual answered them for yourself. Who cares if you aren't satisfied with your courageous actions and the affect they have on the relays, Shepard was willing to do whatever it takes to stop the Reapers. And teleporting back to the Normandy? What are you taking about? Do you mean "why is it that everyone has left you after you got blasted by a Reaper?" Could it be because they think you are dead? Or is that a plot hole to you? Do you need that spelled out? Maybe it's because, and I just assuming and guessing here like you might, you and only two other crew are on the plant and Joker kind of sucks as person, saw you go down and didn't bother to have someone check your pulse before he finger blasted he's way out of there? And yeah, the fleet is stranded if the relays are gone, that happens in REAL WARS (and worse). Let's see what else did you desperately want spoon fed to you? Oh yeah, your question about Mass Effect 1. Why didn't the "God out of the Machine" open it's flower to the Reaper? Didn't you say that the citadel god child was in control of the Reapers? So, your answer would be BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO. And honestly I think that your understanding of the deus ex machina might be skewed. NO ONE know who built the citadel and the game constantly comes back to the citadel. You say all the ending are the same, fine. Then you don't like my answer that the citadel has been waiting for someone for countless cycles to show up and make a choice for a different solution to the issue of organics oppressing artificial life. That I answered and we as a society haven't' even begun to scratch the surface of that issue. And it is really deep. There are implications that could suggest that our understand of ORGANICS is a prejudice born form common sense.....and you have bad hair.

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