Dust 514 Fanfest Preview

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It's DUST 514 and EVE Online. Please get it right.

Not gunna lie, if I was that Moros pilot I would be mad if some console kiddie blew up my dreadnaught.

And this is why I stopped playing EVE. CCP making stupid decisions for their players, ok I understand they might not have had the money to work on this for PC, but PS3 exclusive? No. As people have stated, it's alienating the fanbase, as generally I'm going to assume that most people who have a Pc powerful enough to run EVE at max, probably don't have a PS3.

That and cash shop in an already Pay to play game, I mean really, that's a douche move.

I think it's more of a case of the marketing department thinking that EVE fans dont want to play shooters and shooter fans dont want to play EVE.

I do like the look of this and as someone who really like the Eve lore but not the game so much this is a really damn appealing thing.

However the PS3 exclusive is killing me as I don't own one. And as nice as this game, and the maybe five other PS3 games i would want to play, looks it's not an investment I'm willing to make.

Ugh, this game is definitely innovative, and I'd love to play it, but PS3 exclusive? The Xbox is the main FPS dealer, and of f**king course Microsoft wouldn't go for this, and PC is arguably the better FPS control scheme, and it's not for that either. Hoping they've got some plans for ports.

Elate:
And this is why I stopped playing EVE. CCP making stupid decisions for their players, ok I understand they might not have had the money to work on this for PC, but PS3 exclusive? No. As people have stated, it's alienating the fanbase, as generally I'm going to assume that most people who have a Pc powerful enough to run EVE at max, probably don't have a PS3.

That and cash shop in an already Pay to play game, I mean really, that's a douche move.

The cash shop is for purely cosmetic items for your in station avatar that hardly anyone can even see right now. Besides you can buy a PLEX with in game currency and trade it for the points that you use to buy those clothes so you can get them without spending any extra real life money.

Some extra stuff from later round tables, more time with the game and interviews, and some stuff to address some of the comments brought up.

We weren't playing the latest build, likely an earlier more stable version, and the game is going to go into a fairly long beta. So hopefully that will address some issues.

CCP doesn't expect the vast majority of Dust players to also be Eve players. It's a free game on a 60 million person network.

A lot of the high level specifics of the interactions between Eve and Dust are still to be determined, and will be by the devs working closely with the fans. IE what ships can bombard, what modules (if any), etc

There will be a Vita app with much of the market, fitting, mail, etc functionality.

There will be a survival horde style PVE mode against Rogue Drones.

Esport support, which includes the potential to actually have gladiatorial-esk "esports" Dust matches being broadcast/existing in the Eve universe.

And this isn't getting a PC release.... why?

Seriously, no excuse.

I'm interested, but not enough to play something online on a console. I'll wait until the inevitable PC release.

DoomyMcDoom:

Kwil:

DoomyMcDoom:

*snip*

Again with this? Seriously, Sony is in no hurry to develop any sort of new console.. not in the next two years, probably not for another 5.

Development trends for the PS3 are actually better than they are for their competitors in the console market. Development for all consoles is dropping because of the increased development for iOS, tablets, and smartphones, and a new and improved console will not reverse that -- more importantly.. Sony's well aware of that.

Sony being "well aware" of any trends is hard to believe, I mean, looking at their development history... most recently the Vita...

Well on one hand the Vita did get off to a perhaps less than ideal start in it's homeland. But on the other hand when it came to the west it gained a good amount of momentum and now as far as I can tell it's performing respectably.

Aargh... damn you CCP... you're gonna make me buy a PS3 aren't you?

It's a good thing that I was already kid of considering that purchase, because I loved Eve, I loved the interaction, I loved the scale, I loved the completely player driven environment where entire Empires are run by -actual- people instead of stone-faced NPCs. But sadly I lacked the prerequisite free time to get very far in the game, even though I was part of the American Wing of the Red Legion.

If I get a PS3, this game will be on it, and you can bet I'll be dropping some coin into the store as a simple way of saying "Please support this amazingly awesome innovative idea." should I initiate a fanboy squeal at this point? Probably.

That said, the way this game will -really- sway me is if I can fly those transport ships myself. I used to do that on Planetside and I have been itching for a game that lets me get back into the pilot's seat like that again.

The newest trailer for Dust/EVE was presented today...and it's epic!

Volstag9:
Looks great! Amazing! Fantastic!

Oh wait. I don't have a PS3.

I could talk about the technical achievements this game has no doubt made but if a large amount of their targeted demographic can't play it. Then what's the point.

I don't understand your point. The PS3 has stronger hardware and they want to make an amazing looking game.

You want everyone to dumb down and homogenize their products so they can be used on everything? News flash: not everyone wants their games made ugly and with lowered performance just so the people who don't want to buy the required console can play it.

Also: how do you think Sony sells consoles? By having games in their library that can be played on every other console? No.

ITT: "QQ I don't want to purchase the required platform to play games."

Felix Moore:
The newest trailer for Dust/EVE was presented today...and it's epic!

You have hijacked part of my name, I object good sir! :P

Grey Day for Elcia:

Volstag9:
Looks great! Amazing! Fantastic!

Oh wait. I don't have a PS3.

I could talk about the technical achievements this game has no doubt made but if a large amount of their targeted demographic can't play it. Then what's the point.

I don't understand your point. The PS3 has stronger hardware and they want to make an amazing looking game.

You want everyone to dumb down and homogenize their products so they can be used on everything? News flash: not everyone wants their games made ugly and with lowered performance just so the people who don't want to buy the required console can play it.

Also: how do you think Sony sells consoles? By having games in their library that can be played on every other console? No.

ITT: "QQ I don't want to purchase the required platform to play games."

Actually, the game runs perfectly fine of xbox 360, the graphics arent the problem.

The problem was that microsoft is heavily invested in their gamertag system and wouldnt allow CCP to have people make characters with other unique names for the game.

And part of the EVE Universe is that you can create multiple characters and slip them into different roles or corporations, both on the up and up and as spies this wouldn't work.

Microsoft wouldn't budge on the issue, thus CCP dropped them in favor of the PS3.

FelixG:
The problem was that microsoft is heavily invested in their gamertag system and wouldnt allow CCP to have people make characters with other unique names for the game.

Microsoft: "Nope. Gamertags or nothing." *waits for their bluff to work*

CCP: "Okay. PS3 all the way."

Microsoft: "... Whoops."

You kind of have to enjoy it when one of the big guys throws their weight around and no one listens to them, lol.

-'Dust 514 is worth keeping an eye on.'-

When they have a legit working (video) mmfps that fits the (single shard) EVE Online experience, not just fancy scripted trailers...

When I can pay for my Account again... (I was a great slave for my Amarr Master)

I am looking forward to how much EVE Online has changed/progressed in the past 2 years.

EDIT: Damn... I need an 8th day each week!

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CCP and all EVE related things can be summed up as follows. They make really good videos to advertise their product, interesting, full of action, excitement then you play their game (in this instance I am talking about EVE) and then see that it is without doubt one of the most awesomely boring experiences of your life. Really how can they make a universe set with a range of massive awesome looking ships be so soul crushingly boring?

So with that knowledge now in place lets look at a Dust 514, lots of videos showing exciting stuff, loads of action and lots going on, massive ships, a war like FPS all the stuff you would expect to be fun and exciting so I am guessing Dust 514 is going to be one of the dullest FPSes ever released.

Grey Day for Elcia:

Volstag9:
Looks great! Amazing! Fantastic!

Oh wait. I don't have a PS3.

I could talk about the technical achievements this game has no doubt made but if a large amount of their targeted demographic can't play it. Then what's the point.

I don't understand your point. The PS3 has stronger hardware and they want to make an amazing looking game.

You want everyone to dumb down and homogenize their products so they can be used on everything? News flash: not everyone wants their games made ugly and with lowered performance just so the people who don't want to buy the required console can play it.

Also: how do you think Sony sells consoles? By having games in their library that can be played on every other console? No.

ITT: "QQ I don't want to purchase the required platform to play games."

What?

All I'm saying is that I can't play the game because I don't have a PS3. That was my point.

I have a PC. All EVE players have a PC. This game is clearly linked to EVE so why not release it on PC?

The PS3 may be the most powerful console but PC's can be just as powerful.

Volstag9:

Grey Day for Elcia:

Volstag9:
Looks great! Amazing! Fantastic!

Oh wait. I don't have a PS3.

I could talk about the technical achievements this game has no doubt made but if a large amount of their targeted demographic can't play it. Then what's the point.

I don't understand your point. The PS3 has stronger hardware and they want to make an amazing looking game.

You want everyone to dumb down and homogenize their products so they can be used on everything? News flash: not everyone wants their games made ugly and with lowered performance just so the people who don't want to buy the required console can play it.

Also: how do you think Sony sells consoles? By having games in their library that can be played on every other console? No.

ITT: "QQ I don't want to purchase the required platform to play games."

What?

All I'm saying is that I can't play the game because I don't have a PS3. That was my point.

I have a PC. All EVE players have a PC. This game is clearly linked to EVE so why not release it on PC?

The PS3 may be the most powerful console but PC's can be just as powerful.

Because this isn't EVE. They wanted to experiment and cross platform, cross games communication is about as cutting edge as it gets.

If they wanted to make it on PC, they would have.

SL33TBL1ND:
I'm interested, but not enough to play something online on a console. I'll wait until the inevitable PC release.

Probably not, see currently the game will be on one server basically, so if they made it for PC aswell, they would have to make another server as PS3 and PC Players wouldn't be able to play with each other for obvious reasons.

Hah, wonder how this will be affected by all the safespots I've made inside planets :P

As soon as it comes out on PC, and I really hope it does, I'll jump right on it. I dabbled in EVE online, but it proved too time consuming for me. I do know one of the biggest players in EVE though, and he would be delighted to play along on EVE, while I play on Dust.

haven't played EVE for a long time, real pity that this isn't coming out the PC, but it wouldn't surprise me if it tanked badly and took CCP down with it.

Bet you all the Alliances have all the exploits mapped out and GoonSwarm have something spectacular and embarrassing planned for the launch day - just for the lulz.

Catalyst6:
It's looking like a great game, but I'm always hesitant to dig into anything CCP makes. EVE Online is a great... "thing", but the problem is that CCP takes *so long* to do anything that any sense of newness is licked down to nothing by the time new content rolls out. I mean, how long have they been working on stations? They seem to take as long to make some new animations for their guns as other studios put out entire expansion packs.

I would have agreed with you pre - jita riots...however after this occasion, I believe CCP has a new found focus on what's important. IE...crucible. We got all kinds of goodies in this expansion and it's only going to get better with inferno.

And must I remind people that I have never paid for an expansion and never will with CCP's model, and I have been playing since 2007. There is no additional 50 dollars to be paid for the latest and greatest package in addition to the 15 dollars a month. Besides, who cares about turret animations when you are in a system with 2000 players killing each other in PVP goodness. Which is what the game is all about.

On the one hand, I love the idea of the game, and think CCP is a great developer. On the other, I haven't found a compelling reason to turn on my PS3 in months. A PC release would make me much more likely to give the game a shot.

On the third hand, I am now tempted to reopen my Eve account. It never lasts, but I've never quite burned myself out on the game like I did with WoW.

Korten12:

SL33TBL1ND:
I'm interested, but not enough to play something online on a console. I'll wait until the inevitable PC release.

Probably not, see currently the game will be on one server basically, so if they made it for PC aswell, they would have to make another server as PS3 and PC Players wouldn't be able to play with each other for obvious reasons.

I can't think of what those reasons would be. And anyway, them releasing it on PC as well would just be good business. No sense in splitting your player base. Most people who would be interested in Dust play Eve, so it makes sense for them to release on the same platform that their fans use.

SL33TBL1ND:

Korten12:

SL33TBL1ND:
I'm interested, but not enough to play something online on a console. I'll wait until the inevitable PC release.

Probably not, see currently the game will be on one server basically, so if they made it for PC aswell, they would have to make another server as PS3 and PC Players wouldn't be able to play with each other for obvious reasons.

I can't think of what those reasons would be. And anyway, them releasing it on PC as well would just be good business. No sense in splitting your player base. Most people who would be interested in Dust play Eve, so it makes sense for them to release on the same platform that their fans use.

Well for PC Players being able to beat PS3 players with M&K, even though the ps3 version does support M&K, not everyone is going to use it.

But the reason for it being on console isn't to appeal to the Eve Playerbase, they wanted to expand the universe to new platforms and they wanted to get into the console market.

So that's the real reason.

Korten12:

SL33TBL1ND:

Korten12:

Probably not, see currently the game will be on one server basically, so if they made it for PC aswell, they would have to make another server as PS3 and PC Players wouldn't be able to play with each other for obvious reasons.

I can't think of what those reasons would be. And anyway, them releasing it on PC as well would just be good business. No sense in splitting your player base. Most people who would be interested in Dust play Eve, so it makes sense for them to release on the same platform that their fans use.

Well for PC Players being able to beat PS3 players with M&K, even though the ps3 version does support M&K, not everyone is going to use it.

Then that's their fault. If people have the ability to use either control scheme, then it isn't a problem.

But the reason for it being on console isn't to appeal to the Eve Playerbase, they wanted to expand the universe to new platforms and they wanted to get into the console market.

So that's the real reason.

Then that's bad reasoning. This is new IP for consoles, and new IP's generally do worse than established franchises. Following simple logic there means that more people would play it, given the choice, on a PC.

Even if they are trying to expand to other platforms, releasing it on PC isn't going to hurt that, it just gives them a larger audience.

i think the reason it is ps3 only is this

EVE= PC

Dust 514 = PS3/consul

Eve Gate = Browser based info and communications

Eve- Dust- Eve gate- Eve (its one giant connected family)

They want eve to be their PC game for now. They probably dont want dust taking away from that.

Dust is going to be f2p. means No disk you need to buy. basically a client download from the psn.. which is probably why it will last. "oh new consul comes out" *redownloads client*for free.

Also with a free fps. yes many of the first ones who get it will be eve players. but slowly as people brows the market and see a fps similar to mw3 bf3 on the market they may try it out for a bit. i mean its free. no harm no foul. if they like it they will tell their friends. if their friends like it they'll spread the word as well. Dust will probably not be makeing as much money as any of the other fps games right from the start. no 60 dollars to buy the game wich means for every game downloaded. CCP gets nothing. The only thing they will start getting is mony paid for aurm. micro transaction. and with their system. its not Pay to win. everything is based on skill lvl. and skill lvls cannot be grinded. from what i saw in the presentation. in order to reach max lvl in all skills you would need 7 Years!

That is the thing about dust. Dont just think of it as another FPS. They are doing things the others arnt.

free to play: no instant profit for even makeing the game.

Clones: actually has a reason why people respawn and gives you actual limited ammount of lives you can lose in a match.

Not Pay to win: cant just buy the best gear from a store and give yourself an unfair advantage like other mmos.

Item loss upon death: Death still means something even in a game of immortals. the gear you equipped is lost and you would have to use another set of the same equipment or of different equipment. items are bought in bulk. If you arnt paying attention you might not have any equpement left to equip yourself with and thus lowers your chances to live though the mach with all your clones intact.

Customization: Unlike other fps. you can customize your stuff. i'm not talking adding a silencer and scope and putting cammo on your gun. i'm talking setting up your drop suit with the weapons you want. the type of armor/shields. electronics. from the looks of it. pretty much anything. i bet there would even be covert ops cloaks. you can skill in so many different ways. And you dont just customize your dropsuit. you can fit your Hav and gunship as well.

and the biggest reason of all

Cross platforming and cross genre: nothing like that has even been remotely attempted. yes there has been things with the same game cross platforming. a few times. but this is something different. direct connection with games of different types. from what i hear. bombardment is just one part of the impact it will have. taking over systems will no longer be just estabilshing soverenty. i think you would have to win conquests on dust in that system to do it as well. which willmake the battles that much more harder. i think with dust. the eve space battles will become larger. especially in aliance space. fleets protecting their ships who will be supporting their ground forces. enemy fleets trying to find and destory the supporting ships while bringing in their own support ships to help their own team. and if they make it soyou have to be in a certain area to bombard. that narrows the playing field even farther. all bunched in one single area. That will be fun.

also.. i hear there are plans that they will want to be able to have dust players go up to the station and interact directly with Eve players. When an fps can travel up and interact with an mmorpg(which eve wasnt much of an rpg with just the ships but when able to walk in stations. now we're talking) that right there.. is game changing. ONly thing missing is eve players ability to head down to the planet and go to cities and whatnot.... i would love to just walk around the gallente federation capital city.

but anyway. yeah. thats my thoughts on the matter. from information i've heard/read.

This is a big gamble for CCP. I hope it goes well. they have probably as big of a pair as president roden himself.. (read templar one..its a good book)

pffh:

Elate:
And this is why I stopped playing EVE. CCP making stupid decisions for their players, ok I understand they might not have had the money to work on this for PC, but PS3 exclusive? No. As people have stated, it's alienating the fanbase, as generally I'm going to assume that most people who have a Pc powerful enough to run EVE at max, probably don't have a PS3.

That and cash shop in an already Pay to play game, I mean really, that's a douche move.

The cash shop is for purely cosmetic items for your in station avatar that hardly anyone can even see right now. Besides you can buy a PLEX with in game currency and trade it for the points that you use to buy those clothes so you can get them without spending any extra real life money.

That isn't the point, a cash shop model, on top of a subscription model is down right insulting and money grabbing, and yeah trying to buy PLEX with in game money, that's fun if you're a casual player earning maybe 30 mil a month? Last time I checked a PLEX was in excess of 300 mil, I didn't have enough to actually use for my subscription costs.

My point here is, it sets a very bad precedent, having a subscription, and then having a cash shop on top of that. It has always been one or the other (Or the Guild Wars way, the best way)

Elate:

pffh:

Elate:
And this is why I stopped playing EVE. CCP making stupid decisions for their players, ok I understand they might not have had the money to work on this for PC, but PS3 exclusive? No. As people have stated, it's alienating the fanbase, as generally I'm going to assume that most people who have a Pc powerful enough to run EVE at max, probably don't have a PS3.

That and cash shop in an already Pay to play game, I mean really, that's a douche move.

The cash shop is for purely cosmetic items for your in station avatar that hardly anyone can even see right now. Besides you can buy a PLEX with in game currency and trade it for the points that you use to buy those clothes so you can get them without spending any extra real life money.

That isn't the point, a cash shop model, on top of a subscription model is down right insulting and money grabbing, and yeah trying to buy PLEX with in game money, that's fun if you're a casual player earning maybe 30 mil a month? Last time I checked a PLEX was in excess of 300 mil, I didn't have enough to actually use for my subscription costs.

My point here is, it sets a very bad precedent, having a subscription, and then having a cash shop on top of that. It has always been one or the other (Or the Guild Wars way, the best way)

Well if you're only earning 30mil per month then you are doing something wrong. I'm paying for my subscription solely through planetary management money and play maybe an hour a day on average and yet I have well over a hundred mil extra spending money each month.

This is not counting the cash I can get if I decide that I have the time for joining my corp in doing something that week. That money is usually upwards of few hundred millions on top of what I'm making on my own.

EDIT: Never mind. No one cares It seems.

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