Zero Punctuation: Yakuza: Dead Souls

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Altered Nova:
I don't get it, why did they feel the need to weld a broken shooting combat system onto a perfectly good street fighting combat game just because there's zombies now? Zombie shooting games are a dime a dozen, a zombie brawling game would have actually stood out a bit as slightly original. I would have been far more interested in that game anyway.

Because trying new and different things is scary.

DJ_DEnM:

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mjc0961:

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Oh noes! Someone mentioned a game they'd like to see Yahtzee suffer through because it would be funny even though he hasn't had enough time to get it being in AU. BETTER CRAWL UP HIS ASS ABOUT IT!

Yahtzees a big boy you two, he can take a little prodding without you having to come out defending him.

Qitz:

DJ_DEnM:

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mjc0961:

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Oh noes! Someone mentioned a game they'd like to see Yahtzee suffer through because it would be funny even though he hasn't had enough time to get it being in AU. BETTER CRAWL UP HIS ASS ABOUT IT!

Yahtzees a big boy you two, he can take a little prodding without you having to come out defending him.

Dude chill I wasn't crawling up his ass about it O_o. It wasn't a rant, it was an observation and I couldn't care less if he acknowledged it or not.

To be fair, the only way we're likely to see an end of this is to see a removal, or serious reduction, of left wing influances from the US goverment, and perhaps the media as well.

Now, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch over me saying this (I know the audience) understand that one of the big problems with the media right now is that you can't have anyone as the bad guys. If you have Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, Chinese, or any other group largely making up the bad guys in the form of gang bangers, terrorists, foreign spies, criminal syndicates, or whatever else, your opening the door for people of that sort to jump in about the characterization of their nation, or the perpetuation of racial stereotypes, which the goverment and media proceeds to take seriously, and create a huge headache for the gaming industry as a whole. Left wing reviewers and critics do not help matters much.

I point towards say the last, and worst, Indiana Jones movie where the Russians got all pissed over being the bad guys in that movie, not to mention the outcries we saw over "The Sopranos" from various Italian-American groups. On a purely video game front look at what happened with "Resident Evil 5" and the whole reaction of "OMG, how dare you show African tribals as African tribals outside of National Geographic".

The point here is that Zombies are one of the very few things you can put into a game to rack up a body count, and dispose of with relative imputiny, that isn't going to cause a degree of backlash from the media, and politicians looking to get some attention (which is partially what fuels the media).

Now, don't get me wrong, both "wings" have their problems, and while there is some overlap the right wing mostly goes after sex and violence in general, while the left wing goes after games for being the boogie-man for not being politically correct. Both ruin our fun. In the end the right wing does tend to be more reasonable because the religious and moral crackpots are pretty well balanced by the business interests in the party who want to make a product that can sell, and as a whole it's a lot easier to rationalize with (certain individuals excepted) than a group of people that tie it into much biggier issues and want to do things like remove the freedom of speech to ban "hate speech" which by association would apply towards video games.

Right now we've pretty much got a triumverate of "acceptable" video games enemies... monsters, zombies, and aliens, which get recycled endlessly. Yahtzee's joking is not the only source that has accused "Uncharted" as a series of being racist for having a white protaganist fighting foreigners while hunting for/stealing treasure in foreign lands, and really it's one of the few games that still bucks the trend other than sandbox crime games. I personally suspect that the most recent work of the genere... "Saints Row 3" got away from any pretensions of realism and seriousness (unlike the last two) in order to hide from criticism behind the sheer insanity of the entire thing. The jury is still out on the new "Grand Theft Auto" but it seems to have gone in a differant, but similar, direction in terms of creating sympathetic characters and situations and trying to treat the subject matter with a degree of sensitivity, at least within the cut scenes. The whole "immigrant looking for a justified revenge" thing in say "Grand Theft Auto IV" is a direct parallel to the storyline of previous games where the protagsnist was say a sociopath looking for his stolen drugs, or simply trying to take over the city "Scarface" style. I also can't help but wonder if the choice of minority protaganists (immigrants, blacks, etc..) is also an attempt to sway criticism by being able to use the old arguement that it isn't racist if the person doing it isn't white... allowing it to use a similar defense as say rap music.

A lot of people won't like what I'm saying, but the bottom line is that if we're going to see zombies get returned to the grave, we also need to bury political correctness.

I'll also say that I don't think I'm anywhere near close to being the only one who has noticed this trend. I think a lot of these "zombies are people too" movies and stories are sort of poking fun at the idea for specifically that reason, making them fairly meta.

In 10 years if things continue I suspect instead of seeing some hold outs with human opponents, human enemies, especially based in the "real world" will be gone entirely. I think the tired old cliques like zombies don't continue because of a fad, but for other reasons and it won't change without bigger changes throughout society... namely killing political correctness, at least in the media, which has to start by getting it's supporters out of positions of control so they can't try and work that agenda through the media.

In a world of pacifists, where to even think evil of another is unacceptable. We are limited on who is an acceptable target. Zombies especially Nazi zombies are always acceptable. For example most would be furious if in a popular game you had to go into a middle school for the handicap orphans. Then you were tasked to kill them all for what ever reason.(biological threat?) Make them gay and black and you would have open demonstration. In a sick way I'm curious if anyone would really do it. Every game as of late has a goofy evil(overlord, fable) or a censored evil.

On the other hand no one really wants evil. http://www.columbinegame.com

Brian Blessed with glowing red eyes and shooting a giant laser from his mouth may just be a hall-of-fame moment.

"why the scrambled eggs on fuck toast??" I almost kicked over my laptop when he said that. IT will not be integrated into into everyday conversation.

Looks like Yahtzee has been rewatching QI, just as I have. The episodes with Brian Blessed and the one with the man who took a train from Hiroshima to Nagasaki just in time to meet both bombs were some of the most recent ones I've watched.

canadamus_prime:
So when to we get a launch date for "Enough with the Fucking Zombies Already- Ressurection "?

Fixed :)

ANOTHER zombie game? I more or less guessed Yahtzee's opinion on this one. :)

Therumancer:
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I don't know man, Call of Duty is doing a pretty great job of using Russians as cannon fodder. All we really have to do to fight political correctness is make it clear things like race and nationality are mostly incidental, not integral to their status as an antagonist. We don't need to do crazy things like usurp control, just stick to your guns (not a pun) and rationalize your choices.

Captcha: well read, and your post was an enjoyable and well though out read.

him over there:

Therumancer:
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I don't know man, Call of Duty is doing a pretty great job of using Russians as cannon fodder. All we really have to do to fight political correctness is make it clear things like race and nationality are mostly incidental, not integral to their status as an antagonist. We don't need to do crazy things like usurp control, just stick to your guns (not a pun) and rationalize your choices.

Captcha: well read, and your post was an enjoyable and well though out read.

Oh sure, but look at the garbage they got for it, even if it was eclipsed by the "killing civilians" thing. "Mercenaries 2: World In Flames" had the characters pretty much invading Venezuala and that had people from that country freak out as well, even if the game was basically a turd.

I'm not saying people don't do it, or won't try it again, but in general the media is gravitating away from it due to not being willing to deal with the hype, especially with the left wing and it's dogma that doesn't let anyone be singled out or portrayed negatively being so powerful in the media. If say the Russians, Venezualans, or other groups get upset, plenty of people will jump in right besides them.

One technique that used to work a few years ago was to say have games, movies, or books involve a fictional country of a certain variety. Instead of Afghanistan, the story involves WTFistan which just happens to be a surprisingly accurate parallel. In cases like that you see accusations of it being insensitive towards muslims.

While it involves movies (and Muslims in paticular) this is a sign of how far it's gone:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/01/25/us-islam-movies-idUSL2585713820070125

Yes, Aladdin has been under fire as a racist work, and it's been taken seriously enough to get goverment attention, apparently reinforced by a lot of people. If that's an issue, well, you can see how it and similar things effect video games.

We more or less agree, but my point is that I think the issue stands despite some exceptions with people still trying it. Hence the reason why we see Zombies, Aliens, robot uprisings, and similar things so heavily used (as I said originally).

Really, for things to change people need to stop supporting critical media platforms (which might involve some personal political re-assessment) which will cause the media to halt it's attacks without popular support, and let video games, and the media, get back to doing their thing.

Personally read up on Mafia 2

http://www.gamespot.com/news/italian-american-group-protests-mafia-ii-stereotypes-6274095

(sample link above, but there are plenty of varying degrees of intensity)

OMG, the Mob is Italian, how horrible to state the obvious. This pretty much demonstrates the entire problem, and how far it goes. I can virtually guarantee anyone considering a similar game right now is walking on eggshells over getting the mafia involved... it might still happen, but this is exactly the kind of point of view that shouldn't be given a platform at all.

wish the game designers would watch yahtzee and make patches for dodgy shooting mechanics.

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