Mass Effect 3: Retake This

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Landshark1:

j0frenzy:

Landshark1:

I'm pretty sure Grey's was trying to make fun of how these journalists are just in it for the page views and so they make articles that are purposefully inflammatory because they know it will draw people in. The text at the bottom was making fun of people that respond to the threads and giving the website even more money by sending the article to friends and such. They made a similar comic on Alyssa Bereznak.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9103-The-Bastards-Guide-to-Journalism

If I had the ability to like or upvote your comment would get so many of those right now.

The sad thing is that I'm definitely not the first to explain the comic's point either. If people would read through the other 6 pages before posting then there would probably be a lot less confusion.

I actually did read the whole thread.

I think there's about 5-6 different claims in there as to what the comic's supposed to mean, including yours, and who it's supposed to be trolling (if anything).

I'm not sure about you but, considering the fact that even you don't seem entirely sure about your theory, I'm going to have to refer back to having to explaining your jokes on this one.

You better not be unironically using the word "Entitled". Makes you sound like some fox news talking head

Sparrow:
Stop speaking in circles. You downright accused me of having an opinion that is not my own then started to tell me why that opinion was wrong. You also remain ignorant to the fact that there are two sides to the story.

Are you seriously trying to say that I shouldn't support those who don't have a positive voice in the media they attribute themselves to? Gamers who dislike the ending and want a new one are being shovelled into a corner with those who demand an ending. They are not the same. My point was that these people are being treated like shit, not that I am being treated like shit. There are two sides to this story, and within those two sides there are another two sides and so on. I just want to represent those who are being ignored for having an opinion that the gaming media is so set against hating, is that so wrong?

I don't know how much you follow Major League Baseball, but let me relay a story to you. This is about an outfielder for the St. Louis Cardinals by the name of J.D. Drew. Before signing with the Cardinals, the Philadelphia Phillies were eager in trying to sign him. He made it very clear, however, that he did not want to play for the Phillies for various reasons (This was back when they were still the consummate underachievers, I believe. Definitely pre-2008 World Series.) Needless to say, this made him Public Enemy #1 for a while in the local Philadelphia sports world. This culminated in Drew's first game in Philadelphia as a Cardinal. When he was at his position in the outfield, he (along with those that watched the game on TV) noticed that people from the stands were throwing things at him, among them were batteries. It got so bad that the Cardinals went into their dugout and refused to continue playing until it stopped. Now this could have just as easily been brushed off as a few jerks who decided on their own to take things too far and they merely could have been found and thrown out of the stadium. They would have merely been written off as not being representative of all Phillies fans or Philadelphia citizens or baseball fans for that matter. But the Phillies, recognizing the seriousness of the situation, as a team and an organization decided to take it one step further. So before the Cardinals came back out to continue the game, an announcement came over the stadium that if anything else was thrown from the stands onto the field, the Phillies would immediately forfeit the game. Not call the game, FORFEIT. They were willing to give up and lose a game rather than risk letting an opposing player who didn't want to be part of their team be injured by the fans that are supposed to be supporting them. That sends a message that no matter how small the number, you will not embarrass us by committing some ridiculous act on our behalf without there being major repercussions for everyone affected. That's what you call integrity.

If you truly believe that these people that are demanding a new ending are not the definitive voice for those that are merely dissatisfied with it, don't just tell me, tell them. Let them know that they need to ease up. Say to them that they're making all of you look bad. Maybe then, people like me might actually believe it.

P.S.: To everyone out there that's still getting angry after reading the comic,
YOU'RE......BEING......PLAYED.

Dr.Nick:

Grey Carter:

Seventh Actuality:

Commenting solely on the failings of one side when the disproportionately vast majority of the uncivility, immaturity and 'intellectual dishonesty' is coming from the other is pretty retarded, yes.

The vast majority? Really? I've seen maybe 20-30 full-fledged journalists take a negative stance on the issue, maybe half of which were insulting. I take more personal insults than that from readers on a daily basis, just for doing my job. The female journos I know take maybe twice that. Journalists should remain professional, of course, hence today's strip. But that's because I care about journalistic standards, not readers' hurt feelings.

I've noticed this same thing. Many "journalists" have taken a stance supporting Bioware where as the vast majority of non journalists and fans are heavily protesting the ending. I think the journalists are in the wrong on this issue. Not only that but you seem to lauding over the belief that these "journalists" opinions are somehow more valid than non journalists. These are the SAME people who rated the game so highly despite its many flaws that caused huge controversy among consumers. Game journalists themselves admit that they often don't have much time to even play through a game completely. Are you sure their limited time gives a better representation compared to a player who spends hundreds of hours exploring a game? Who really understands the game better?

The ending was bad. Just plain bad. I'm not just talking about the last 10 minutes but many parts of the mission on earth as well. A turret scene that pops out of nowhere....a comms station where you can magically have a few meaningless lines of dialogue with everyone. Then there was the reported controversy of the ending being written solely by the one writer while the rest of the game was worked on by the whole team. Even if you don't think it's bad you have to at least mention all the flaws and sloppiness the game has. The funny thing is that journalists seemed to miss these gaping narrative wounds but when hundreds of thousands of players point them out they are attacked as being "entitled." Every time a journalist defends the ending of Mass Effect it makes them look like an idiot. It ruined one of the best science fiction stories ever.

Then to make matters worse you have journalists that all seem to be jumping on the band wagon of bashing gamers for this made up thing called "gamer entitlement." Gamers do feel strongly about these products but it is NOT entitlement. We spend hundred of hours and hundreds dollars on these games. We put huge investment into these games. I think we deserve some say.

Times have changed with consumer feedback in games just as they have in journalism. We have a direct line of communication with game publishers and developers via electronic means. We can make our voice heard instead of just being a blind crash test dummy who just sits there after a game comes out whether it was good or bad. We can let the developer know whether the made a great game or screwed up and we can do it in force.

Journalists and developers should care what readers and players think. We are the force that supports this industry.

PS: I might be completely misinterpreting your post but I mainly just wanted to state how I felt about the whole issue and how I think it's very complex.

"Where is the majority of legitimate journalists/nonjouranlists/fans are heavily against the ending"

O'rly. I bet you have lots of facts to support that reasonable claim.

Bwah!. Seriously, this 'movement' is getting more childish by the minute. You have this vocal minority that has gone from merely flaming bioware at every turn to just making up numbers and claiming they represent the majority. When infact the number of actual members in said movement is 60-100.000 people. Far from the number of people who bought it and while 'very' large. All we can be sure of is that those numbers support it. Not actively contributing to the movement. And its far from certain that they represent the majority.

If a political party gets 60.000/10.000.000 voters. And 5.000.000 didnt vote. The 60.000 cant just go and claim that they represent those five million. Its stupid. Sure its widely accepted that the ending was bad, but I feel its the majority who wants to go to extreme lengths to attack bioware 'and/or' its writers. And I think an equal number of people. Journalists or not, support Bioware, even with its failings. And I dont mark them off as blind zealots like some others who favour the easy solution of making everyone disagreeing with them extremists.

Whoa, 8 angry pages about a comic that migth as well be interpreted as satire about Escapist and the fact ME3 controversy generates traffic... as long as there is *something* about it on the front page...almost all the time... for weeks and weeks.

...is it just me or has Sharon lost a lot of weight?

In all of the uproar and melodrama, I think you're all missing the important part of all this.

It's not that Mass Effect fans are acting entitled.

It's not that Bioware put forth supposedly a subpar masterstroke to their series.

It's not even the trolls and agitators who are fanning this controversy for their own lulz.

No, the important thing is that Penny is back.

Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

They got over 250 comments, plus whatever they got on facebook.

I say they succeeded.

That's jolly.

Hey Cory and Grey, how much did EA and Bioware pay you to write this?

P.S Sorry, I don't have a twitter account :(

Nice trolling attempt, but I still wouldn't buy your t-shirts! :D

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

Being clever is somewhat relative to others, so considering the number of people who didn't get it, kicked off, and then made themselves the arse-end of the joke (the actual final panel is the comments section), I'd say it's very clever.

Let this be clear to people who still don't get it: you are not the butt of the joke if you supported the Retake Mass Effect thing. You are the pay-off for the joke if you threw up a bitch-fit in this comments section about how the strip is insulting you for supporting Retake Mass Effect, and began claiming that this strip was yet another example of game sites taking sides with BioWare.

Yay! Charles and Penny, nice to see them again.

I wonder how many more comics Cory and Grey will devote to this issue. They seem fixated on it.

The Idiot Trap has been way, way too effective.

Guys, he's making fun of journalists - not Retake Mass Effect. Please stop making yourselves look stupid.

I see a lot of people saying 'well it's trolling'

but trolling doesn't automatically excuse bad behavior. I think that if there was ever a group that needed a break from their enthusiast press haranguing them, it'd be mass effect fans

I dunno, it seems like playing a slightly nasty prank on the kid whose always getting shoved in the locker. Even if it's it's a legitimately funny prank, continuing to pick on them isn't cool. Hell, Retake mass effect has to be the most polite protest I've ever seen on the internet. Charity for children? Cupcakes for the object of their hatred? Whatever we think of their request they should get a ton of credit for that.

I've got no truck with the ME franchise, but it's bizarre how our journalists lept to the defense of bioware almost to a man. If a formerly celebrated artist in another artistic medium, say... George lucas... and he released a new product in an established fiction, say... Star Wars... it seems like the first people you'd turn to for some really granular analysis about the actual good and bad of the piece would be the journalists experienced in the art form.

Unfortunately our journalists aren't doing that, they seem stuck on 'Artistic license! No other discussion needed!' and if something's 'art' then it is apparently above reproach, and how dare you dislike it. Why would we even use our expertise and contacts to investigate and analyze the story of how this all came together?

Instead we had to rely on playwrights and people outside the industry writing for forbes and such because they're the only people who took a deeper look? or something? Anyone in the games press want to shed some light on why they're so lockstep on this? I guess I'd put my money on the instinct of 'we must legitimatize the art form at all costs' even if hilariously it's actually showing how young it is.

News at 11: Some art is not quality art, and if your critics can't make the distinction or refuse to critique poor art when they recognize it... well... that doesn't speak well of our critics does it? Hell, Critical Miss made a lot of waves for poking fun at the ending a few strips ago, but suddenly it's back to making fun of the extreme 10% of people who thought the ending was bad. Good on ya games press :/

AcacianLeaves:

Guys, he's making fun of journalists - not Retake Mass Effect. Please stop making yourselves look stupid.

This. This certainly isn't helping the "retake mass effect 3" movement's image. If these people go into a screaming fury when anyone makes the tiniest perceived slight against them, it makes people wonder if they are actually entitled.

CAPTCHA: Tight lipped. Well...make of that what you will.....

I'm so sad, I need to fill out a hurt feelings report :,(
EDIT: You know, I don't like the ending to this comic! as a fan, thus giving me entitlement,I demand it to be fixed to MY preferences! I must spread the word & form a movement!

Olord no POE'S LAW AWAKENS.
RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIVES!

Wow, how very edgy and controversial. Here's another page impression for you guys, happy jerk-off.

A blunt but unquestionably clear message.
Still, another day another ME3 topic...

Cephei Mordred:

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

They got over 250 comments, plus whatever they got on facebook.

I say they succeeded.

That's why im calling poor form. Its obvious that their motivation in this is not to make a point, but to score easy web traffic and ratings by being controversial and crude.

I appreciate wit, but this strip is just attention seeking.

Woodsey:

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

Being clever is somewhat relative to others, so considering the number of people who didn't get it, kicked off, and then made themselves the arse-end of the joke (the actual final panel is the comments section), I'd say it's very clever.

Let this be clear to people who still don't get it: you are not the butt of the joke if you supported the Retake Mass Effect thing. You are the pay-off for the joke if you threw up a bitch-fit in this comments section about how the strip is insulting you for supporting Retake Mass Effect, and began claiming that this strip was yet another example of game sites taking sides with BioWare.

To be honest, i find that a stretch, but fair enough. If thats how you read it, then thats how you read it. I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic with a fairly weak get out clause/justification for its existence. We get enough trolling in the day to day forums of most websites, i don't need to see it encouraged on the featured content of the escapist.

chiefohara:

Woodsey:

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

Being clever is somewhat relative to others, so considering the number of people who didn't get it, kicked off, and then made themselves the arse-end of the joke (the actual final panel is the comments section), I'd say it's very clever.

Let this be clear to people who still don't get it: you are not the butt of the joke if you supported the Retake Mass Effect thing. You are the pay-off for the joke if you threw up a bitch-fit in this comments section about how the strip is insulting you for supporting Retake Mass Effect, and began claiming that this strip was yet another example of game sites taking sides with BioWare.

To be honest, i find that a stretch, but fair enough. If thats how you read it, then thats how you read it. I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic. We get enough trolling in the day to day forums of most websites, i don't need to see it encouraged on the featured content of the escapist.

"I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic."

Well yeah, that is the joke. If no one had commented then it wouldn't have worked. The strip shows a couple of writers coming up with the most blatantly provocative headline they can so to get as many hits as possible, and the point of the strip is to show how fucking well it works.

Kimarous:
Generally speaking, I'm just tired of the whole affair. I was pissed too, once, but I've long since cooled down. Now, whenever the issue comes up, all I can think is "get over it already."

Right now I genuinely feel like writing "Thank You!" ten thousand times.

I'm just so incredibly tired of this. I don't care about this ending thing and I don't care about your feelings on the matter and I'm just sick and tired of the anger and blind hate coming from both sides of the argument.

I loved these games with all my heart and soul. I want to enjoy them without being reminded of this movement, both the supporters and detractors. Did I like the ending of the game? No, not in the slightest. Did I enjoy everything leading up to it? Yes, indeed this is one of the few game series to actually make me feel genuine emotions towards the characters and events as if they were flesh and blood people and I had been the one interacting. Should the ending change? I really can't answer that, but I'm just going to avoid this topic all together.

I actually enjoyed the comic itself. Seems like something Sharon would do.

Sparrow:

Immsys:

Sparrow:
Are you serious? You don't even know my opinion on the subject and you've opened up with "well, your opinion is wrong." You're either a troll or narrow minded. I can't believe you have the audacity to tell me my opinion (which you don't know at this point) is wrong and therefore you must be right based on zero evidence.

Well done for being part of the problem. And for the record? I give zero fucks about the ending, I liked ME3. Just looking out for the little guy over here.

Oh, well hang on a second.

Sparrow:
Gotta' agree with this. Sarcasm or not, this strip reminded me that gaming journalists have handled this horribly. Instead of "let's look at both sides of this" it's devolved into "well, I didn't see anything wrong with the ending so you guys are just entitled asswipes."

Hm, that's odd, that little quote from your earlier post certainly seems like an opinion to me. Not to mention that I didn't even state that your opinion was wrong, I believe that my exact words were "you might be confusing". Doesn't seem to state that you are wrong, just the possibility that you are wrong. Which of course you already know, as a rational human being and all. As for my "audacity" again you seem to be reading what i typed as "could" to be "are". Part of the problem? Well, that's a little judgemental of you, you speak with some certainty on the matter. Almost like the certainty you are mistakenly lambasting me for having. I also don't see the bit where I claim that I am
right either, or indeed the bit where I express any opinion whatsoever.

Stop speaking in circles. You downright accused me of having an opinion that is not my own then started to tell me why that opinion was wrong. You also remain ignorant to the fact that there are two sides to the story.

Are you seriously trying to say that I shouldn't support those who don't have a positive voice in the media they attribute themselves to? Gamers who dislike the ending and want a new one are being shovelled into a corner with those who demand an ending. They are not the same. My point was that these people are being treated like shit, not that I am being treated like shit. There are two sides to this story, and within those two sides there are another two sides and so on. I just want to represent those who are being ignored for having an opinion that the gaming media is so set against hating, is that so wrong?

Quote the part where I "downright accused" you of "having an opinion that is not" your own please, I do not understand where I did that. I remain ignorant to the there being two sides to every story? You understand the irony of this, surely? You, without considering the other side of the story, have claimed that:

"Instead of "let's look at both sides of this" it's devolved into "well, I [Game journalists] didn't see anything wrong with the ending so you guys are just entitled asswipes."

What is your evidence to say that all game journalists are not looking at both sides of the story? Your evidence is that you have not SEEN them looking at both sides. There's nothing to say that they haven't looked at it, but only published their conclusion on the issue.

I don't understand your point about a positive voice. The media, rightly or wrongly, believe that the retake mass effect group are wrong. As a result they obviously are disagreeing with them. Gamers =/= everyone who agrees with retake Mass Effect. Just because some people agree with or support the movement and are gamers, does not mean that gamers support the movement. Therefore, just because they attribute themselves to gaming media definitely does NOT mean that gaming media should in any way endorse or defend their claims. The media should defend or endorse claims that they believe to be correct and should disagree with those that it believes incorrect. It should not just pander to some peoples opinions just because they are some of the audience.

Also, welcome to reality, where people are characterized by the loud minority by people who disagree with them. Say, i remember someone saying something that sounded a lot like that before, hang on I'll quote it:

Sparrow:
Gotta' agree with this. Sarcasm or not, this strip reminded me that gaming journalists have handled this horribly. Instead of "let's look at both sides of this" it's devolved into "well, I didn't see anything wrong with the ending so you guys are just entitled asswipes."

Do you really think that ALL game journalists are saying that? I don't think so. Don't complain about the what is always going to happen, especially when you yourself are doing it.

Oooh, the gang's back, even the Bear is there too!

Sharon is looking smart. <3

Patrick Anderson:
Fans point out plot holes and inconsistencies with the ending and how it doesn't fit in the story

Game journalists and their websites that are plauged with EA ads call us entitled

Real journalists from Forbes, BBC News, CNN, NY Times, NY Daily news, etc... say the fans have a point and point out all the quotes Bioware said about the ending and how it ended up being lies.

Yeah, and you wonder why no one takes game journalists seriously anymore. I bet most of you game journalists cringe seeing more credible sources like Forbes rip you apart while you have nothing but petty comments to respond with.

And game reviews. No one takes those seriously either.

The writer should check out zero punctuation and the 'webcomics' episode.

I support this comic, I would have the Canadian flag changed to this.

chiefohara:

Cephei Mordred:

chiefohara:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.

They got over 250 comments, plus whatever they got on facebook.

I say they succeeded.

That's why im calling poor form. Its obvious that their motivation in this is not to make a point, but to score easy web traffic and ratings by being controversial and crude.

I appreciate wit, but this strip is just attention seeking.

The attention, which you have just given them?

My point stands.

I'm trying to find a way that this is funny or clever. Is it saying that the outrage over Mass Effect is basically just free marketing? Or...

...

No. No it's just not really funny.

"LOLLOOLOLU U SO MAD THAT Y IT FUNNY CUZ U MAD LOLOULOULOULELOULOUL."

That argument is absurd and leads to Uwe Boll movies. It is entirely possible to try to be fail for the sake of humor, and then fail at it. Unless there's some really, really deep meaning to this that I'm still not getting, I'm calling it.

Unsilenced:
I'm trying to find a way that this is funny or clever. Is it saying that the outrage over Mass Effect is basically just free marketing? Or...

...

No. No it's just not really funny.

"LOLLOOLOLU U SO MAD THAT Y IT FUNNY CUZ U MAD LOLOULOULOULELOULOUL."

I think that such idiocy is hilarious, actually. It shows what a joke humanity really is, you know?

That argument is absurd and leads to Uwe Boll movies. It is entirely possible to try to be fail for the sake of humor, and then fail at it. Unless there's some really, really deep meaning to this that I'm still not getting, I'm calling it.

Show me in the contract where the authors agreed to be deep and meaningful.

Cephei Mordred:

Unsilenced:
I'm trying to find a way that this is funny or clever. Is it saying that the outrage over Mass Effect is basically just free marketing? Or...

...

No. No it's just not really funny.

"LOLLOOLOLU U SO MAD THAT Y IT FUNNY CUZ U MAD LOLOULOULOULELOULOUL."

I think that such idiocy is hilarious, actually. It shows what a joke humanity really is, you know?

That argument is absurd and leads to Uwe Boll movies. It is entirely possible to try to be fail for the sake of humor, and then fail at it. Unless there's some really, really deep meaning to this that I'm still not getting, I'm calling it.

Show me in the contract where the authors agreed to be deep and meaningful.

I didn't say it had to be deep and meaningful. I said that there weren't any particularly good face meanings, so unless there was a deep meaning that I didn't see, it was just meaningless.

They made marketing statements that lead me to believe that the comic would be deep and meaningful. We were deceived.

Retake Critical Miss. Demand a better punchline.

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