Nothing Sacred

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Nothing Sacred

MovieBob shines a light on our reaction to the release of Kinect Star Wars.

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You know, as someone who admittedly snickered at "Hologram Girl," I can safely say: No, I, Zachary Amaranth, would not find the Han Solo song funny if done by Weird Al.

But then again, Weird Al didn't make his empire (lol i c wot us did thar) off the Saga Begins or anything similar, so...

I'm not even sure why this is considered indicative of anything. This isn't the first time there has been a humourous interlude in a Star Wars title and the others weren't decried. There, there's a lack of pattern. Game over, right?

I've yet to play the Star Wars kinect game though I watched the review on Gamespot which showed that apparent infamous scene and honestly... I luaghed my arse off. I'm sorry, I thought it was hilarious. Maybe I'm a cretin or a philostine but I thought it was a nice touch. Seeing Han Solo goofily dancing to a cover of Riding solo while at Bespin was stupid and funny.

This is coming from someone who is a massive Star Wars fan too, one of those guys who hates the prequels with a passion and hates the majority of what they did with the special editions.

I do think the culture of taking things too seriously has gotten a touch out of hand with all the hate this seems to be getting.

but then, there are the fans who will use anything 'negative' to grind the axe some more about perceived or actual wrong a company or person has done, and then blow it out of all proportion.

Around the time Return of the Jedi came out, Kenner released this:

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I think once you've made "the second most defining dramatic moment of the entire saga" into a toy for 5-year-old boys, complaints about sacrilege are bound to fall upon deaf ears.

It could be that this week's article was fluff and, inconsequential...or it could be that my mind was blown when it came to my attention that the U.K. has fucking Hot-Dog pizza. I still can't even...I mean...I'm kind of ashamed of the U.S. for not thinking that one up first. Granted we could still win with a breakfast pizza made out of biscuits, eggs, bacon and, gravy...well, the southern half of the U.S. I guess.

The dance game is silly, but you can rampage through Mos Eisley as a Rancor, so all is forgiven in my book.

I admit it can't be defended in any rational sense, but it's perfectly alright for everyone else in the world to make fun of Star Wars, but not LucasArts. That said, they can even get away with the silliness of Lego Star Wars, but this Kinect thing bristles. There may be an uncanny valley effect at work.

I'm going to get the Star Wars Xbox 360 when I can (because it looks freaking awesome) and the dancing part is one of the things I am most looking forward to about this game. It looks like a lot of fun.

I thought it was hilarious.

I can see people getting pissy about the prequels, or changes made because that's direct canon done poorly and retcons - but this? It's not related to anything. It's stand-alone of the actual universe. Han Solo dancing in SW Kinect alters nothing about the actual character presented in the films.

I agree with Bob and most of the previous comments (except Hitchmeister, but he said it's illogical so arguing isn't going to do any good). I thought it was just a bit of silly fun that the developers had, and watching the video is really amusing. And LucasArts made the Lego Star Wars games, which were full of the same silly fun, so we can't say that we couldn't have seen this coming, or that it crosses some line into sacrilegious territory.

So I guess creators aren't allowed to have fun with their properties now. Great.

The word of the day, children, is: "Hypocrite" (No, I'm not referring to Bob)

EDIT: This is one of the reasons why I'm loathe to share anything I create with any sort of audience.

Actually, the Internet is highly abuzz with the Trayvon Martin murder. Actually, I just saw a picture on Facebook, depicting Trayvon as a baby black boy and George Zimmerman as a Predator, and saying "Guilty until proven innocent" underneath it. Personally, I feel that, regardless of WHAT the intentions were or how it went down, the fact remains that Zimmerman shot an unarmed teen, and SHOULD be punished for it, instead of being allowed to walk free!

As for the article itself, I'm reminded of how I tend to act about stuff I like, particularly with my recent life-consuming obsession, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. I talk a LOT on forums in regards to how the show is written, and what kind of messages are portrayed in the series, and whether or not some jokes actually work, though most of the time, I just accept that it's just how I personally feel about something, and don't really get "up in arms" unless it's something on principle or about broader pop culture double standards, like the Derpy Hooves incident.

Yeah, the stuff talked about on the Internet usually isn't NEARLY as important as most people make it out to be, and while nobody LIKES pointing it out, for fear of looking like a pretentious stick-in-the-mud, it's something we SHOULD realize, so that we can focus on the "more important" subjects.

I don't know, personally my issue wasn't that there was a dancing bit in a Star Wars Kinect game (I mean, that really does just make sense, it's what motion controls seem to be really good at). But why where it was? They could have done the same thing in a part of Star Wars where a dancing section would have made sense (like the dance in Jabba's Palace made sense). Spoofs are fine for ridiculous or overblown set-pieces or dialogue, of which there are many in Star Wars, but why spoof the sad dramatic climax of the whole series?

I don't think people hate it because it's not funny ot because it's "official" from Lucas arts.

I think people hate it because it's in a shitty game. Kinetic Star Wars is crap, and thus people will find the most minutae to bitch about it. And this IS pretty "bitchable" since it isn't THAT funny...

Oh man the han solo song, Im gonna go watch it again, it's just brilliant!
Im not kididng I genuinly love it and would buy that game, if I had kinect and it was cheap.

Besides this is the best thing ever

The title of this article caught my eye. I read it without looking at the author's name.

I have to say it was very well written and it calls to me. As I Gen X'er I relate with the dichotomy of holding nothing sacred while carving out some immunity to a few selections.

It wasn't until the end that I learned it was by MovieBob. Well done, Bob!

Also, this:
http://shirtoid.com/33719/horton-hears-a-doctor/
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BlackIronGuardian:
but why spoof the sad dramatic climax of the whole series?

For shits and giggles? It was a joke. A bit of fun, I don't understand why it's being taken so seriously. Also, not to mention the fact that the scene has been spoofed plenty of times before... I don't see the problem here. Is the Star Wars fanbase really this uptight about the series?

I can understand where the hate comes from for the special editions, the bluray editions and the prequels as they messed with the canon, didn't make much sense and potentially got in the way of the enjoyment of the movie.

However this isn't the movie, it's a video game that has it's tongue tucked firmly in its cheek.

You forgot to mention those cute little stuffed Cthulhus.

All things with dramatic weight must be fickled, lest we appear to bear concern!!!

gee, I had no idea people would cry fowl at a star wars dancing game, I'm not into kinect or anything but I thought it was funny...

A few things:

1) The general rule is less about Lucasarts and more about the "you don't parody your own work" rule of comedy. Self-deprecating/parodying humor is pretty much limited to the comedy genre.

2) It's one thing to do a music game using settings in the canon. It's another to do terrible covers. Combining the two turned what could have been funny into something that is physically painful to watch.

3) There is no Empire on Ice. It never existed. Even if it had, we would have spent billions on a mass mindwipe to erase all existence of it.

I was gonna point out that Bob is being a hypocrite, but it's already to be expected on anything that he does that it would be a bit pointless.

But yeah, Bob again talking out of his ass and against his own attitudes that he continues to use for everything that he is against, but damn if anyone else is going to be against something.

I hate empire on ice more than any parody. It was funny yes, but it literally RUINED my favorite star wars track ever. I cannot listen to the Imperial March without the stupid lyrics to EMPIRE ON ICE going through my head.

So, if Nintendo made a (possibly bad) parody of Super Mario 3, would Bob still be fine with it? I'm kind of doubting it, though I also can't deny that there isn't that much of a line between what is and is not sacred in geek culture. I think it's more of a gut feeling consensus and there seems to be a consensus that this is wrong, no matter how apt a comparison it is.

Then again, I could barely pay attention to the article after seeing that there is a hotdog pizza. I'm not sure what to think of it and I'm confused as to why the free mustard drizzle appeals to me.

Weird Al would never write parodies as simplistic and lame as the songs in Star Wars Kinect. He's too good at his craft for that.

Other than that, Bob, you are entirely correct and thank you for saying it.

The Grim Ace:
So, if Nintendo made a (possibly bad) parody of Super Mario 3, would Bob still be fine with it?

I love Mario 3 as much as Bob does and I'd be fine with it, pending judgment based on the actual quality of the parody (which is where I think the songs in Star Wars Kinect fail).

I never actually bought any of those kinds of shirts. And if I did, I wouldn't wear them ironically. If I bought a Super Mario shirt, I'd wear it because I actually liked the shirt and liked Super Mario Brothers and wasn't unwilling to admit it.
I do occasionally wear shirts ironically. For example, I'm currently wearing a shirt that reads "I know I'm sexy, can we please not make a big deal of it?" I bought it specifically because I thought it was funny that an admittedly ugly fellow like myself would wear a shirt like that. I like irony when it's actually ironic. 'sgot a tangy flavor to it.

So the only thing that IS sacred the right of the creator to trample all over their own creation and piss-off their fans.

I found it more stupid that sacreligous, but let's be honest, the dancing looks stupid, and words explode out of the dancers crotch.

Now putting Darth Vader in this thing.... Someone should die for that.

Wait wait, people were actually bothered by this?

Every person I've seen it with just thought of it as a silly, if over-elaborate, joke. If people were genuinely bothered by it, well, shit.

I for one am pretty tired of "ironic enjoyment". People are getting too post-modern for their own good, and they really need punching back into the 50s; a time when tucking your shirt into your trousers was fashionable and, crucially, meant nothing else.

Falseprophet:
Around the time Return of the Jedi came out, Kenner released this:

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I think once you've made "the second most defining dramatic moment of the entire saga" into a toy for 5-year-old boys, complaints about sacrilege are bound to fall upon deaf ears.

Why is toy Han Holo's head and neck so fat?

Never listen to geek culture. They never say anything worth listening to.

Most of the time, they just say how you should listen to them, like they're catholic priests or something.

Really my only complaint is that they didn't actually remake the song. The han Solo thing is pretty forced and doesn't add much to the original song so instead of getting a completely insulting Star Wars Christmas special derivative its just a cheap uninteresting cash-in. "Here's a generic dance game that has a Han Solo skin on it."

Hot Dog Pizza? A sausage stuffed crust has existed in Asian Pizza Huts for years (you can even see product placement of it in the Code Geass anime). Japan now stuffs their pizza crusts with sausages that are in turn stuffed with mayonnaise.

The Gentleman:
A few things:

1) The general rule is less about Lucasarts and more about the "you don't parody your own work" rule of comedy. Self-deprecating/parodying humor is pretty much limited to the comedy genre.

I don't know if that's really a rule. I mean, "self-parody" exists in a lot of things, like Metal Gear for instance, has all these jokes about previous entries in the actual game itself.

The Gentleman:
A few things:

1) The general rule is less about Lucasarts and more about the "you don't parody your own work" rule of comedy. Self-deprecating/parodying humor is pretty much limited to the comedy genre.

2) It's one thing to do a music game using settings in the canon. It's another to do terrible covers. Combining the two turned what could have been funny into something that is physically painful to watch.

3) There is no Empire on Ice. It never existed. Even if it had, we would have spent billions on a mass mindwipe to erase all existence of it.

Oh, please. Nothing is so immaculate and sacred that you can't mock or parody it. And if you don't find it hilarious to see Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine shaking their ass on the dance floor, then I worry about your sense of humor.

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