Why The Witcher 2 Needed an Enhanced Edition

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Kahunaburger:
So, better or worse than Dragon Age 2?

How dare you ask such a question?
I will find you, and I will hurt you. A lot!
I mean... In my fine opinion, The Witcher 2 surpasses Dragon Age 2 in almost every aspect imaginable.

Thoric485:

Susan Arendt:

Thoric485:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.

And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?

The question isn't whether this site is recieving money from EA - looking at the presence of EA ads, it obviously is. It's whether it has allowed that to influence its journalistic integrity, and in the case of DA2, I believe it did. It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.

And if reviews here are all opinion, with no objective weighing of aspects like graphics, gameplay, story - what does the score represent? Luck, that it fell to the right reviewer for it? Should we put every review from the User Reviews section up on Metacritic so it can too influence developers' bonuses and payrolls?

The only objective thing in a reveiw should be whether or not the game functions, DA2 function just fine for me on the PC. Everything else is a subjective opinion. You could say the graphics looked like shit, I could say they didn't and that the art-style really suited the game. You could say the combat was shallow, while I could posit that, with the addition of cross class combos, it's added a lot more depth while also increasing the pace.

Neither of us is wrong, that means that our opinions on the matter are not objective, but subjective.

Thoric485:

Susan Arendt:

Thoric485:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.

And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?

The question isn't whether this site is recieving money from EA - looking at the presence of EA ads, it obviously is. It's whether it has allowed that to influence its journalistic integrity, and in the case of DA2, I believe it did. It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.

And if reviews here are all opinion, with no objective weighing of aspects like graphics, gameplay, story - what does the score represent? Luck, that it fell to the right reviewer for it? Should we put every review from the User Reviews section up on Metacritic so it can too influence developers' bonuses and payrolls?

You didn't actually answer my question.

Mcoffey:

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

And yet, I really liked Dragon Age 2 and didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 anywhere near as much (and I'm talking about the meat of the game, not the ending).

Enjoyment of games is highly subjective, people!

Susan Arendt:

You didn't actually answer my question.

Well he did just make a bunch of unfounded accusations at the site, so what did you expect? :P

Grey Day for Elcia:

Thoric485:
It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.

Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.

Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.

ms_sunlight:

Mcoffey:

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

And yet, I really liked Dragon Age 2 and didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 anywhere near as much (and I'm talking about the meat of the game, not the ending).

Enjoyment of games is highly subjective, people!

It's solely subjective; there is no unbiased way to judge personal enjoyment and absolutely no objective rules, if you will, to judge art. Even if a game barely functions, someone may love the hell out of it. I personally think Pokemon Crystal is one of the greatest games ever made and my boyfriend thinks I'm insane, lol.

Susan Arendt:
You didn't actually answer my question.

It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect score, despite a lot of people not liking it.

Kahunaburger:

Grey Day for Elcia:

Thoric485:
It's a widely reviled title with multiple, serious flaws and can't be objectively given a perfect score.

Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.

Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.

Am I the only one left on Earth who hasn't seen Twilight? Everyone I meet hates it or loves it. I feel left behind, lol.

Thoric485:

Susan Arendt:
You didn't actually answer my question.

It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect store, despite a lot of people not liking it.

Perhaps because the reviewer liked it? Like, genuinely liked it, not was paid to like it? Crazy idea, I know. Positively nutso. The very notion!

ms_sunlight:

Mcoffey:

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

And yet, I really liked Dragon Age 2 and didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 anywhere near as much (and I'm talking about the meat of the game, not the ending).

Enjoyment of games is highly subjective, people!

Maybe you just like bad games?

I kid, I kid. Even though I cannot fathom how anyone could have liked such a truly awful game. I suppose there's at least one person out there has a painted a mural in their home devoted to Highlander 2, or Big Rigs.

Grey Day for Elcia:

Kahunaburger:

Grey Day for Elcia:
Objectively?

Newsflash: art is subjective and a review is the personal opinion of the individual giving it. No score is any more or less valid than any other. Just because you feel one way doesn't mean you are right. Simple, really.

Sure, it's a subjective opinion. But I reserve the right to laugh at the subjective opinion of someone who praises, say, Twilight to the sky.

Am I the only one left on Earth who hasn't seen Twilight? Everyone I meet hates it or loves it. I feel left behind, lol.

"I didn't want [Twilight] to be forgettable, and even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the writing has had with people-debating whether the series is creepy and sexist, and whether they have actually become stupider by reading it."

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of interpretation, and it's a story that people can talk about after the fact."

Thoric485:

Susan Arendt:
You didn't actually answer my question.

It seemed foolish to answer a rhetorical question. But, no - I don't think they are EA marketers, they probably like it.

I just don't see why a reviewer would recommend it to everyone with a perfect store, despite a lot of people not liking it.

Because the reviewer liked it? Seriously, think about what you just said. Reviewer: "I really enjoyed this game! In fact, I thought it was great! But... a few people on this forum don't like it... Guess I better give it a 2 out of 5." Yeah... Not so much like how it works. You see, a critic reviews the game based on how they enjoyed the experience; a review is someone telling you what they thought of something. They don't read some forums and write a review from other peoples' perspectives--that's just silly.

Also,

What does the score represent? Luck, that it fell to the right reviewer for it? Should we put every review from the User Reviews section up on Metacritic so it can too influence developers' bonuses and payrolls?

try reading the review instead of looking for a score. Or does a game getting a certain number keep you up at night?

Mcoffey:

CrossLOPER:

Seriously, there appears to be a disconnect. If ME 3 is any indicator of what DAII was like, I can understand why people would have a problem with it.

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

Greg Tito:
Sex and cursing, blood and filth, The Witcher 2's hallmarks work just as well on the console as they did on Steam - even if you can't pay a whore to do your bidding like you could in the 2011 version.

They took out the whores?! I liked the whores! =O
I always liked to roleplay that Geralt ended his day of witchery with a good old fashioned romp with the nearest doxy.

I'm sure it's still in the PC version, but I can't help but feel the poor console players are missing out on a vital aspect of the game. :P

To clarify, the women are still there in the whorehouse but, as far as I can tell, you can't pay them to do anything.

Greg Tito:

Mcoffey:

CrossLOPER:

Seriously, there appears to be a disconnect. If ME 3 is any indicator of what DAII was like, I can understand why people would have a problem with it.

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

Greg Tito:
Sex and cursing, blood and filth, The Witcher 2's hallmarks work just as well on the console as they did on Steam - even if you can't pay a whore to do your bidding like you could in the 2011 version.

They took out the whores?! I liked the whores! =O
I always liked to roleplay that Geralt ended his day of witchery with a good old fashioned romp with the nearest doxy.

I'm sure it's still in the PC version, but I can't help but feel the poor console players are missing out on a vital aspect of the game. :P

To clarify, the women are still there in the whorehouse but, as far as I can tell, you can't pay them to do anything.

Awww, that's like having a lamp with no light-bulb, or a gun with no trigger. :(

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As shitty as Dragon Age 2 was and as poorly one sided as Mr. Tito's review seemed...
Can we actually talk about these really good developers for the moment, and just forget Bioware?

Bluntly put; Fuck 'em.

Anyway.

I just wanted to comment on how awesome the lads and lassies down at CD Project RED are.

They really handled this right, as they always do. Figured it should just be mentioned at least once.
I take my hat off to the team.
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.
They're a much smaller company, and yet they can afford to give their loyal customers a free update.
Why can't anyone else?

I hope they continue to get more media attention based on their fantastic treatment of their customers and (obviously) top tier games. They've more then earned it.

Mcoffey:

ms_sunlight:

Mcoffey:

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

And yet, I really liked Dragon Age 2 and didn't enjoy Mass Effect 3 anywhere near as much (and I'm talking about the meat of the game, not the ending).

Enjoyment of games is highly subjective, people!

Maybe you just like bad games?

I kid, I kid. Even though I cannot fathom how anyone could have liked such a truly awful game. I suppose there's at least one person out there has a painted a mural in their home devoted to Highlander 2, or Big Rigs.

In the entire history of bad sequels to things, Dragon Age 2 is nowhere near as bad as Highlander 2.

Canadish:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.

I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".

Susan Arendt:

Thoric485:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.

And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?

I think anyone suggesting that Tito was bribed is a moron. I bought DA 2 recently and I enjoyed it. I think part of the problem comes from the way in which Tito's review failed to mention the flaws of DA 2 from recycled environments to ninja spawn enemies. Now I don't see this as meaning he was bought but rather he messed up. Happens to us all. However his comment on the DA 2 thread where he accuses his accusers of being biased against the game before it came out was very ill informed. Yes having people take pot shots at your integrity is intensely irritating, but that response didn't help.

Then with his Witcher 2 review, many people felt that he was being misleading an unfairly critical to the game.

Look I think most of this is very much based on the belief that as a professional critic you should be trying to be as objective as possible. I tend to think in DA 2's case Tito wasn't and he suffered for it. He shouldn't be hounder over it but unfortunately that's life.

Greg Tito:

animehermit:
What does TW2 have anything to do DA2?

A thousand times this.

Susan Arendt:

Thoric485:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.

And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?

Blimey, we seem anxious to avoid this? Are you hiding something?

I kid, I kid. It does seem weird how butthurt people still are over DA2.

Greg Tito:
There was a lagginess to the commands that has been mitigated by the transition to consoles...

I'm pretty sure it was a patch released very soon after the game came out, not some console magic...

Waaghpowa:

Canadish:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.

I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".

I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over their game by pirating it a whole bunch.

animehermit:

Waaghpowa:

Canadish:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.

I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".

I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.

Ironically, the pirates cracked and distributed the version with DRM more than they did the DRM-free version. If this doesn't speak volumes about the worthlessness of DRM and the low level of skill/thought required to bypass it, I don't know what does.

animehermit:

Waaghpowa:

Canadish:
I wish Capcom would take some notes from these guys.

I wish just about every major developer/publisher could take notes from these guys. Everyone else seems hell bent on treating their customers like shitty thieves while simultaneously spending millions making mediocre games because of "mass market appeal".

I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.

and as sad as that is the people of CD Project Red still look past the cancerous boil, the pirates and go on to reward the good people of the PC gaming community by treating them like valued consumers with good games, free patches, and all kinds of other goodies instead of punishing the good people with nasty DRM and forcing you to rebuy the same game for extra goodies like some people... As sad as it is people pirate these good peoples games it only goes on to show how much better at dealing with their customer base than other.. unnamed companies are.

Kahunaburger:
So, better or worse than Dragon Age 2?

I'm not saying it's about the graphics, but when you compare the two and see how each one looks, it's easier to see who put more effort into their game. Just look that this

Not to mention that there is no absolute morality like in Bioware games where you're presented with right and wrong. You do what you think is best. Choices don't make you evil or good. You do things because you believe they are right and the game doesn't punish you by making you look like a psycho. Your choices actually change the world around you. And not as soon as you make a decision. Your choices have a long lasting effect. You choose what you think is more moral or what you think is the lesser evil. And based on those choices the game takes a different path after Chapter 1. You won't see all areas on your first playthrough. You make a choice and you have to live with the consequences. And every character has his/her own personality. You can't simply persuade people to do what you want based on some silly stat. There is some persuasion involved, but it's more like a Jedi mind trick used on weak willed. Characters you meat have their motivations, their judgements and their own prejudices. They think for themselves.

And just about everything else is superior to DA2. The combat, the music, the story, characters, atmosphere. There are some minor things like inventory system not being as good as some other games but it's nothing serious.

animehermit:
I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.

Because only PC gamers are pirates, and all of them are?

If you notice, there's a trend. Generally speaking the games that are considered mediocre, poor or involve some sort of heavy handed DRM get pirated the most. Crysis 1 and 2 are one of the best examples. Crysis 1, a PC exclusive, was considered excellent among the PC gaming community and sold a solid 3 million copies. Crysis 2, a multiplatform release which is generally considered fairly poor aside from the outright lies from the developer, sold LESS than Crysis 1 (which was a PC exclusive mind you). Crysis 2 also got pirated a whole lot. Crytek pissed and moaned about how "PC exclusives don't work because of piracy", yet they failed develop a multi platform sequel that outsold it's predecessor.

I'm sick and tired of hearing all this whining about Piracy/used games when really it's the publishers/devs just looking for a scapegoat for their own incompetence. Stop worry about piracy and just make the damn game, because it's going to get pirated no matter how hard you try.

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Waaghpowa:

animehermit:
I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.

Because only PC gamers are pirates, and all of them are?

If you notice, there's a trend. Generally speaking the games that are considered mediocre, poor or involve some sort of heavy handed DRM get pirated the most. Crysis 1 and 2 are one of the best examples. Crysis 1, a PC exclusive, was considered excellent among the PC gaming community and sold a solid 3 million copies. Crysis 2, a multiplatform release which is generally considered fairly poor aside from the outright lies from the developer, sold LESS than Crysis 1 (which was a PC exclusive mind you). Crysis 2 also got pirated a whole lot. Crytek pissed and moaned about how "PC exclusives don't work because of piracy", yet they failed develop a multi platform sequel that outsold it's predecessor.

The Witcher 2 is one of the most pirated games ever, 4.5 million times. A game that was excellently reviewed and was considered by many to be one of the best RPGs of recent memory.
SOURCE:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114429-The-Witcher-2-Pirated-Roughly-4-5-Million-Times-Says-Dev

I'm a PC gamer too, you know, and I don't appreciate the implication that i think all PC gamers are pirates. It just saddens me that I belong to a community of people who shit all over a dev who are doing a lot of things right.

In short: quit putting words in my mouth, and implying i said things I didn't.

animehermit:

Waaghpowa:

animehermit:
I don't know, for all the good CD Project Red does, the PC gamers still shit all over there game by pirating it a whole bunch.

Because only PC gamers are pirates, and all of them are?

If you notice, there's a trend. Generally speaking the games that are considered mediocre, poor or involve some sort of heavy handed DRM get pirated the most. Crysis 1 and 2 are one of the best examples. Crysis 1, a PC exclusive, was considered excellent among the PC gaming community and sold a solid 3 million copies. Crysis 2, a multiplatform release which is generally considered fairly poor aside from the outright lies from the developer, sold LESS than Crysis 1 (which was a PC exclusive mind you). Crysis 2 also got pirated a whole lot. Crytek pissed and moaned about how "PC exclusives don't work because of piracy", yet they failed develop a multi platform sequel that outsold it's predecessor.

The Witcher 2 is one of the most pirated games ever, 4.5 million times. A game that was excellently reviewed and was considered by many to be one of the best RPGs of recent memory.
SOURCE:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114429-The-Witcher-2-Pirated-Roughly-4-5-Million-Times-Says-Dev

I'm a PC gamer too, you know, and I don't appreciate the implication that i think all PC gamers are pirates. It just saddens me that I belong to a community of people who shit all over a dev who are doing a lot of things right.

In short: quit putting words in my mouth, and implying i said things I didn't.

You do realize that number is merely an estimate right? Those numbers are never anywhere close to being accurate and people always blow them way out of proportion.

The Witcher 2 being "the most pirated game of all time", if that's even true, means nothing. It doesn't change the fact that your game is going to get pirated regardless of what security you put on it. Remember Assassin's creed 2 having that whole "always online because the other half of the game is on a remote server" DRM? That got cracked in a week.

Let's also not forget how often the console releases of numerous games being leaked weeks in advanced on torrents. So it's jut not "our" community, it's people in general who are the jerks pirating these games. Stop trying to put labels on this whole issue, because it's not simply one group at fault.

I take it there wont be a review then? Pity, I was curious how Witcher 2 would do in a rematch versus one of its biggest critics in the gaming media.

Bors Mistral:

Greg Tito:
There was a lagginess to the commands that has been mitigated by the transition to consoles...

I'm pretty sure it was a patch released very soon after the game came out, not some console magic...

You are correct, the '2.0 patch' was the one where the developers overhauled the combat to make it more smooth and enjoyable. So far as I can tell there have been no changes since other than some adjustments to the 360 controls and a few minor tweaks here and there.

Mcoffey:

Greg Tito:

Mcoffey:

Mass Effect 3 was much, much better than Dragon Age 2. Take that any way you like.

They took out the whores?! I liked the whores! =O
I always liked to roleplay that Geralt ended his day of witchery with a good old fashioned romp with the nearest doxy.

I'm sure it's still in the PC version, but I can't help but feel the poor console players are missing out on a vital aspect of the game. :P

To clarify, the women are still there in the whorehouse but, as far as I can tell, you can't pay them to do anything.

Awww, that's like having a lamp with no light-bulb, or a gun with no trigger. :(

What? You can still have sex with prostitutes.

There's some in the pub in the first town I got to.

So is the patch out now? I quit a few hours into Witcher 2 long ago and haven't looked back. I suppose if there is a pretty huge patch that makes the game less annoying I might give it a look.

Waaghpowa:

Let's also not forget how often the console releases of numerous games being leaked weeks in advanced on torrents. So it's jut not "our" community, it's people in general who are the jerks pirating these games. Stop trying to put labels on this whole issue, because it's not simply one group at fault.

I didn't say it was just our community who pirates games. I said that The Witcher 2 was pirated a whole bunch even though there wasn't intrusive DRM. I mentioned the PC gaming community because it was (at the time) a PC only release. You seem dead set on trying to disprove a point I'm not trying to make. I never said console games never get pirated, but The Witcher 2 DID get pirated a whole bunch. The sad fact of the matter is, is that developers are going to use this as reason to include more DRM >:(

Does it fix the bug where the game crashes all the time? I don't care how tweaked it is unless I can actually play it.

The new intro is the most amazing trailer I've seen since I first saw the one for WC3 many years back :o

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