Why The Witcher 2 Needed an Enhanced Edition

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Xiado:
What, no PS3 port? That's a damn shame, i actually wanted to play this.

There are some indications and a few more murmurs that a PS3 version is CD Projekt Red's next job.

Susan Arendt:
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Oh, I know it, do I? Gosh! Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.

We gave it the score we did because we believed it was an excellent game. We never said it was perfect - we've never said any game was perfect. We didn't feel pressured to say it was good because of review copies or invites or any such bullshit like that. We actually just genuinely liked it.

If you can't accept that because your friends all hated the game, there's really not much else to be said.

I'm sorry I did upset you, Susan, but I scpecifically stated that my friends have specific tastes and I focused on opinions of fans (or rest of the gaming press for that matter) trying to remain objective.

What I hold against the DA2 review is not a strong opinion of the reviewer, such things are to be encouraged, and I like how I basically know what reviewers like Greg or you (and I particularly enjoy your reviews for example) are going to say.

The problem of DA2 review is that it's not informative, out of respect for you I actually went back to read it once more. There's not a single mention of recycling areas, and by the end of act 1 you've seen one goddamn cave at least five times. That's just attrocious and how a reviewer could fail to mention it?

"In fact, like Uncharted 2 and Empire Strikes Back, Dragon Age II is the rare sequel that improves upon its already excellent predecessor. " is such a stretch it's almost funny. I kept reading for any proof of such a huge improvement but the first proof of it is that... diague wheel has been brought from ME series. Not only it is insignificant after drawing a comparison between ESB and DA2 but this wheel is famous for often giving you little information on what you are actually going to say. But what I'm really baffled by is that the reviewer openly states that you need to have "consistency" to recieve bonuses. What does it mean? That means that the game basically foces you to constantly pick "up up up" or "down down down" in dialogue (to get bonuses) killing all the roleplaying in a roleplaying game!

After that we learn that the combat has been simplified and tactical elements became optional and that apparently liking BG2esque tactical combat is having OCD nowadays. But to be honest this is not true, you could get DA2 combat in DA1 by... turning down difficulty level. And reviewer once again forgets to mention one of the bigger gripes fans had with the game - endless waves of monsters appearing all round you, often going *poof* out of thin air.

"Any complaints I may have about Dragon Age II are minor annoyances, easily ignored for the leaps made in other areas" - again, where are those leaps that this game with one year of development time made? All I see is recycling content and cutting corners (but maybe it's just me)

"Not only does Dragon Age II play better, it looks absolutely gorgeous." - it doesn't, it simply does not look better. It looks the same at best, and it looks crap at worst. It's the same engine with one year development time.

And finally:
"Bottom Line: A pinnacle of role-playing games with well-designed mechanics and excellent story-telling, Dragon Age II is what videogames are meant to be."

I'm glad that ultimately it's gamers that proved this review to be false. After the first week, sales generated by marketing hype and reviews like yours hit the bottom. DA sales were rising throughout months and led to bigger sales than DA2. I think that this fact coupled with the news that EA just axed the expansion is the best testament to the accuracy of your review.

You have to understand, people are not mad about you for having a positive opinion an a game. It's about letting this opinion completely blind you, devoiding your review from any true substance and critique. At the end of the day, what differs a true review from a marketing ad is not who writes the cheque, but rather objective and proffesional analysis of a game that gamers expect from a critic. And in that respect, DA2 article was a failure that indeed damaged your reputation severely.

Wait, that was the official review of DA2 on The Escapist? WOW! I'm sorry, but there's no justification for that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some opinions are just wrong, no matter how hard you try to justify them. Dragon Age 2 was mediocre at best.

While I never played much of either Witcher game, didn't the first game get a similar thing which 'fixed' everything and added more stuff?

Part of me wants to get a tad snarky about this (I won't), but I never got into the Witcher games. I had 'Yahtzee Syndrome' for the first, and I never cared for the second game...

Adam Jensen:
Wait, that was the official review of DA2 on The Escapist? WOW! I'm sorry, but there's no justification for that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but some opinions are just wrong, no matter how hard you try to justify them. Dragon Age 2 was mediocre at best.

Opinions by definition can't be wrong. I could sit here and tell you that I liked Dragon Age 2, and I could tell you why. My opinion isn't wrong, and neither is yours.

The Enhanced Edition was neccesary because I think they didn't want to postpone the release just to add the things that may have forgotten(the quests we receive in EE that further explain how things developed).

I finished the Enhanced version yesterday on Iorveth's path.I'm really glad that they listened to the feedback of the fans and made an outro and closure cutscenes.Those scenes pretty much showed what your decisions led too in the final act and ends perfectly with a small cliffhanger,without letting us hanging.

I'm now super hyped for Witcher 3.

cieply:

But what I'm really baffled by is that the reviewer openly states that you need to have "consistency" to recieve bonuses. What does it mean? That means that the game basically foces you to constantly pick "up up up" or "down down down" in dialogue (to get bonuses) killing all the roleplaying in a roleplaying game!

No. Consistency means you need to be consistent about your opinions, for example you must support templars or mages, not switch between both.

tautologico:
It's funny how much people rage about DA2. Yes, it's not as good as the first, and it may not deserve a perfect score, but it's not the worst RPG ever. It's at least enjoyable.

Wasn't enjoyable for me. I would rate it as one of the worst rpg's I've ever played. Probably bottom 2 or 3.

As far as W2, yeah it's amazing, EE is nice though it doesn't add *that* much content. Don't expect a new game or anything.

VoidWanderer:
While I never played much of either Witcher game, didn't the first game get a similar thing which 'fixed' everything and added more stuff?

No, the first game needed it's Enhanced Edition as it was borderline unplayable for many because of a raft of bugs and performance issues, so it wasn't 'fixed' it was fixed. CD Projekt/CDP Red was faced with so many problems they decided it was easier to rebuild the engine rather than try and patch everything over. Releasing a completely rebuilt game, and releasing it for free to owners of the previous version, was unheard of at the time and is still rare as rocking horse shit. Of course, CD Projekt Red can get away with that because of their relationship with their publisher CD Projekt.

DarkhoIlow:
The Enhanced Edition was neccesary because I think they didn't want to postpone the release just to add the things that may have forgotten(the quests we receive in EE that further explain how things developed).

Nah, if they'd 'forgotten' that stuff they'd have released it as soon as it was done. It's far more likely it's stuff they thought of while putting the 360 version together and decided, being the awesome people they are, that it'd be nice if they made that extra content available for the PC version.

Basically, what they've done is sidestep a lot of pissing and moaning that crops up when a game is ported to a new platform and someone decides to 'add incentive' for people to buy the new version by adding in new stuff or including DLC for free. This is because CD Projekt aren't greedy, chiselling fuckheads... or if they are they hide it better than other companies in the industry. It's probably all that Socialism they grew up with. So instead of having to deal with a bunch of whinging fucks CD Projekt have 2 groups of happy customers - the new 360 customers and the old PC customers who stopped giving a fuck about the 360 version when they got told 'Hey, new stuff for free!' for them would come the same day as the 360 launch.

I just finished playing The Witcher 2: Enhanced Edition and I liked the ending after the epilogue and how Dandelion talks about the players choices. I also liked the cinematic after the credits. I can't wait for The Witcher 3 now.

I also liked the newer quests in Act III as well. I thought there was supposed to be a two or three hour long quest line besides the main one in Act III. Unless they meant two or three hours of added quests.

The Witcher 2 was my game of the year for 2011 and my MM bracket had CD Projekt Red as the winners because I have all the respect in the world for not only the way they approach customer service and post release game support, but also their attitude towards game design and story telling.

Susan Arendt:

Thoric485:
The 5/5 for DA2 will forever stain this site's credibility.

The EA ad revenue's probably worth it though.

And all the players who said they liked the game...were they also paid by EA? I'm curious. A good swath of the people in this very community really loved DA2, so are they also on the payroll?

I loved DA2 and have failed to receive my cheque. Do you happen to know who I would contact about that?

Susan Arendt:

Oh, I know it, do I? Gosh!

Well, the statement is true to an extent. The Escapist isn't as biased as Fox News, but there is a very obvious inclination to wink away EAs various transgressions and paint fans angry over being treated badly as whiny, 'entitled' assholes.

Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.

A completely trivial nitpick. Are you going to tell metacritic to change that 100 to a 5 because you don't score out of 100? Doubtful.

We never said it was perfect - we've never said any game was perfect.

The review did omit some very, very serious objective flaws in the game, however. Bugs, nonsensical quests (you find a quest item and magically know to give it to some stranger), and reused environments to name the most obvious and egregious.

I don't mind the 100% score so much as the fact that the game's shortfalls weren't even mentioned in passing so they could be handwaved away.

I'd give New Vegas a 10/10, but a review that doesn't mention the amount of bugs that game has (or had at release, at least) is just disingenuous.

StriderShinryu:

I loved DA2 and have failed to receive my cheque. Do you happen to know who I would contact about that?

Start a big gaming website that gets its money from advertising EA games and you'll get your check.

Unless you give one of their games a bad review.

Pandabearparade:

Susan Arendt:

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Also, we don't do scores out of 10. Just a minor nitpick.

A completely trivial nitpick. Are you going to tell metacritic to change that 100 to a 5 because you don't score out of 100? Doubtful.

What does that even mean?

A five star system is never going to translate well to a percentage.

Pandabearparade:

The review did omit some very, very serious objective flaws in the game, however. Bugs, nonsensical quests (you find a quest item and magically know to give it to some stranger), and reused environments to name the most obvious and egregious.

I don't mind the 100% score so much as the fact that the game's shortfalls weren't even mentioned in passing so they could be handwaved away.

I'd give New Vegas a 10/10, but a review that doesn't mention the amount of bugs that game has (or had at release, at least) is just disingenuous.

I pretty much agree with this. I tend to think it's kind of Tito's job to be less susceptible to hype then other people. Which I think he failed at here. And not mentioning the flaws was well, IMHO, unprofessional. I know that's a big accusation to throw around but to me, Tito slipped out of doing his job, his pad job, as a reviewer and became a fan. And in my mind that shouldn't happen, He shouldn't of done it and the editor should never of let it be printed/posted.

Panda mentioned New Vegas, and I agree. To rant and rave about a video-game without even mentioning the obvious flaws is poor practice. It's something two friends might discuss together, not a contributor on a video game website.

*sigh* every thread about TW2 always end up turning into a thread about DA2.

Bat Vader:
I just finished playing The Witcher 2: Enhanced Edition and I liked the ending after the epilogue and how Dandelion talks about the players choices. I also liked the cinematic after the credits. I can't wait for The Witcher 3 now.

I also liked the newer quests in Act III as well. I thought there was supposed to be a two or three hour long quest line besides the main one in Act III. Unless they meant two or three hours of added quests.

I think they meant 2 or 3 hours of added quests. There are 2 as far as I know. One for Roche (Lilies and Vipers) and one for Iorveth (The Secrets of Loc Muinne).

I loved the Witcher 1 and was frothing at the mouth looking forward to the Witcher 2. But when I started playing I noticed my laptop (god damn you acer) couldn't keep up with it. Not even on the very lowest settings possible. Still, it was chugging along at 30 fps so it was yet playable. But what the hell did they do to the UI? It was perfect in the first. And now every menu takes over the screen. I simply couldn't get trough this with the bad performance to get very far. Dear god I hope I will be able to afford a better pc/laptop soon to experience this game as it's meant to be. Did no one else feel this way?

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