Kid Icarus: Uprising and Hurt Nintendo Fans

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MC K-Mac:
Yahtzee, YOU FOOL! By legitimizing these accusations with a reasoned reply, you've acknowledged the fanboys as human beings!

WHAT HAVE YOU DOOOOOONNNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This. The fans won't listen to rebuttal. All they want to do is make people feel bad for daring to disagree with them. And this is a concession to them.

Zachary Amaranth:
I prefer it when you don't defend yourself, Yahtzee. Or at least not on this level.

There is no logical reason to hate Nintendo, but you're not talking to reasonable people.

remnant_phoenix:
Are there really that many Nintendo fanboys who try to undermine Yahtzee's opinion by accusing him of anti-Nintendo bias?

There must be, if Yahtzee would dedicate an entire column to it... And that's pathetic...

This also. Yahtzee, can't you see that it'l never work. You explain patiently how you don't hate Nintendo in the video? They attack you. This article explaining even further why it's logically impossible for you to be biased against Nintendo isn't yet 4 hours old and it's full of illogical hate comment.

You can't win against this false logic. You will be hounded to the end of the earth by these people whose "masterful perfect" opinions you have dared to "wrongly" contradict. Give up. You can't win against this people and talking to them only shows this even further.

I've said this loads now, so you'd better listen:

These. People. Are. Not. Interested. In Logic.
All they care about is other people mindless spouting praise for the games they like.

Yahtzee is hardly the only reviewer to admonish KI:U for having ghastly controls. It would be nice if people could actually acknowledge the content of criticism rather than simply trying to drown it out.

"And then it wrenched out of my grasp, chased my child up and down the street, set my fence on fire-"

"Oh, you're just one of those people who hates lawnmowers. Lawnmower bigot!"

Revnak:
I'm sorry Yahtzee, but all I read in that article was bias, bias, fuck motion controls, bias.

As for people assuming that fans of the game just don't want to have it revealed to them that they are wrong, why are you assuming that? Maybe they just like those games while Yahtzee doesn't and feel they need some kind of justification. Just because Yahtzee dislikes something doesn't mean that everyone who likes it is absolutely wrong and simply doesn't want to admit it (and thank God for that! I love 40k regardless of Yahtzee's opinions). Maybe these aren't even all the same people, but actually different fans of different games. The assumptions you guys keep throwing around are just as moronic as the ones people keep making about Yahtzee.

Yahtzee doesn't hate you for having a different opinion than himself. The issue he has is when people immediately dismiss his articles and often times legitimate, albeit humorous arguments because of this perceived bias. He doesn't give a stuff if you say he is wrong and then show the reasons why. It is when somebody is all "Nintendo bias QED" or the people who simply cannot tolerate him having a different opinion than their own. If this isn't you than it isn't aimed at you.

I for one don't give a toss either way though, this is too funny for me. Yahtzee rags on just about everything, that is his gimmick. His "reviews" are not so much that, as more of a showing of the game's flaws in a humorous way. Every single week there are a portion of viewers who just can't hold in their anger at a game they like but will often be laughing along next week once it's a game they are indifferent about. I mean sometimes you may have some pretty good points but that you are actually getting honestly upset at a comedic show is strange to me. Do you also get upset and filled with rage when South Park or Family Guy pokes fun at something you like?

Nice try, Yahtzee, but everyone knows that with every bad game you play you become more powerful. Nintendo is being petty and biased against you every time they release a GOOD game. 'Let's see that bastard make fun of this!', they cackle madly.

And it seems everyone hates Kid Icarus and the guy developing it wasn't told what the specs he was supposed to be working to were until too late in development, so the stand is literally a kind of duct tape.

A wise man once said, "Fans are clinging, whiney, complaining dip-sh**s who will never, ever appreciate any concession you make". Heed his wise words, Yahtzee. Don't feed the trolls.

remnant_phoenix:

Sean951:
People call Yahtzee biased because he tears down Nintendo games that get 4.5/5 Stars from the Escapist, 85/100 on Metacritic, etc. Yes, you might not like them, but clearly there are enough fans and reviewers out there who do for people to question his reviews. Now, not liking the motion controls is one thing, but it is tiring to hear that every time a new Wii game comes out, or not liking the 3D for new 3DS games.

Why does it matter if something is critically-acclaimed? Why does it matter if it has a large fanbase? If something is surrounded by the popular opinion "it's good," that doesn't make it objectively "good." However popular an opinion may be, it's still an opinion.

85% on Metacritic? Well, that means that 15% of those who posted reviews didn't like it. If Yahtzee falls into the 15% that doesn't make his opinion "wrong" or "less valid" than those who are in the 85%. Most Americans adults think that coffee is great, but I hate coffee. I prefer hot tea. Does that make my opinion "wrong" or "less valid" because it's an unpopular opinion? No.

Tastes are always subjective, no matter how popular they are, so no opinion on taste is provably superior. When it comes to matters of taste, popular opinion does not give a taste any more "logical validity," it only gives it "strength in numbers." Unless the fanbase intends to use that strength to bully/harass the outliners (which does happen), popular opinion in matters of taste means nothing. And when said bullying/harrassment occurs, that means that the fanbase is full of twats.

I was kinda arguing that point. It clearly isn't something he enjoys, but that doesn't mean the entire game is fail and he needs to call anyone who enjoys it a twat, or whatever he chose. That is what ruins his credibility, not accusations of bias.

Sadly, everyone has terrible taste in games. It is called subjective opinions, not biased. There is no such thing as objective or non biased. Have an orange review a video game even a terrible video blatantly ripping off any video game and the orange would say nothing.

BiH-Kira:
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Are you claiming that you aren't equally biased? Every human being is biased--yet you seem to use it as an insult. I find this puzzling. Bias doesn't mean an argument has no merit. If it did, no arguments put forward by any creature would have merit.

The issue, instead, seems to be whether he has an irrational bias towards Nintendo, specifically. I'm inclined to believe that he reacts the way he does not because he has an agenda against Nintendo but because he genuinely doesn't like what they've been doing. Just because you may or may not agree doesn't make him wrong in voicing his stance.

But in the end, I feel this isn't actually about differing opinions; it's about civility. In his videos Yahtzee is always very insulting, but please note that in his videos he insults just about everyone. However, this article of his seems more upset than reasonable to me--and I imagine he's upset because of the incivility shown to him over the topic of Nintendo.

I suppose it's understandable for people to react in such a way but it's a bit odd. If you aren't prepared for him to tear a game a new one and insult all those who like it with the most vulgar insults and metaphors he can imagine, why are you even watching Zero Punctuation in the first place? That's what it DOES. You don't get rational and calm from Zero Punctuation. You get short, insulting and funny.

You have every right to your opinion, just as he has to his. No one has any right to be uncivil in actual debate; his videos are not actual debate. Watching Zero Punctuation and being insulted by it is tantamount to a self-inflicted wound. However, he was not particularly civil and methodical in this article, which is odd as I usually expect more from Extra Punctuation. He isn't justified in reacting in an ad-hominem fashion to comments (though again, it's understandable), but any ad-hominem charged reaction TO his reaction is equally unjustified.

It's all a vicious, completely pointless and absolutely unnecessary circle of insults, irrationality, and emotional tension all around and all about an entertainment video that doesn't matter in the long run and that we'll all have forgotten about in a month or two, if that.

I feel like he overlooked or just didn't actually read any of the posts about changing the configuration, so that he can stick to his argument that he needs the stand so that he can complain about it being bad for his back.

I understand the argument about terrible default, but they're about as meaningful to the situation as saying that brawl is a terrible game because the wiimote controls (technically the default) really suck. It just ignores everything else about the game as a whole, including shutting the 3D off and claiming it's not necessary before actually trying to see if it's actually unnecessary. Yes, the 3D is stupid in many situations where it is not actually relevant. However, when you're gauging the depth of your shots, it does help in this case...

If I don't like the game, I trade it in, no crazy misguided buyer remorse or anything...I'm going to keep this game until the multiplayer is played out. Most of the people who are criticizing the controls on message boards probably haven't actually played the game. :P

Yahtzee, trying to reason with unreasonable people is like bashing your head against a wall.
It's painful and a waste of time, and the only thing you walk away with is a headache.

Ive never enjoyed a Nintendo game. Not Mario, Zelda or Metroid. They bore me and i hate the characters and game play. I also hate that they keep recycling the same 3 games again and again. My cousin has a Wii and love Nintendo. Always goes on about next Mario and Zelda, thing is they are the games every Nintendo fan boy names. They have nothing else worth naming on those platforms apart from the million Mario games. As in Mario Cart etc. Why do people protect and play the same game again and again. Why dont they want something different? Nintendo is a major game maker with lots of skill and talent. Make something different. But with the Wii U releasing soon, people with just buy it and say "Im waiting for the new Zelda or Mario."

What astonishes me is that we're several years into Yahtzee's *ahem* "career" and yet we're still getting our knickers in a twist about whether or not his reviews are to be taken seriously or not.

The fact that Yahtzee spends a lot of time ragging on games and people with foulmouthed humor doesn't invalidate his worth as a critic of games, nor does valuing the opinion he expresses in ZP mean you have to take his humorous remarks entirely seriously.

People seem to think that if Yahtzee fails to mention enough flaws or doesn't talk about the good points, his expression of personal opinion must therefore be wrong. The bizarre implied conclusion to all this is that they want him to concede that he has entirely misinterpreted his own opinion of a game. I never knew that opinions now had to have some infallible logical sense behind them, but there you go.

A quck aside, sticking closely to the recent Kid Icarus example: It doesn't matter how many times you point out that he "only really ragged on the controls". Even if that were true[1], it still wouldn't make the slightest lick of difference to the man's opinion on the game, and hearing his opinion is the reason we watch his videos. I often disagree with him, but I still value the opinions I disagree with more than the pathetic attempts at fair, balanced commentary on a game that many reviewers try to provide. At least they're fucking interesting.

But then, the fact that it is very clearly his opinion seems to be the rather shaky grounds on which many dismiss his video reviews.

Personally? I really like having Yahtzee around as both a serious critic AND as an internet comedian. His insight into the philosiphies that drive good game development has often proven both interesting and generally correct, and when he gets right down to defining the complaints and praise he has about certian aspects of a game in his written work he tends to use some fairly solid logic. He has proven time and time again that he can define what makes a good game on objective grounds. I mean for fuck's sake - Valve don't invite just anyone to prospective job interviews. It's not like The Escapist just pay some ignorant wanker to rant on his soapbox for 5 minutes a week.

The fact that Zero Punctuation is often seemingly inconsistent is a moot point. I don't expect Yahtzee to express his feelings about a game according to a clearly defined set of rules, nor do I feel as though so-called "objectivity" is the best path for a reviewer/critic to follow. How the fuck are we supposed to trust someone to be generally "objective" when they are trying to quantify that which is mostly subjective?!

I put a lot more stock in Yahtzee's opinion about games (well, more than most "professional" reviewers) because even though I may have to look up the game at another site to get a clear idea of what it's really like outsie of his perceptions, I now have a vague idea about what makes a good game for him and how it matches my own tastes, and - as I said already - he's a man who can, and HAS, demonstrated that when you get right down to it, he knows game design fairly well.

I'd rather give the time of day to a man who expresses a possibly insane opinion with eloquence and humor than a man who is pretending to be "objective" about something. I am yet to hear people tear down Roger Ebert for - *GASP SHOCK HORROR* - having the sheer temerity to take the piss out of the things he reviews or their prospective audiences! If Rober Ebert had to put up with the same kind of counter-attack that Yahtzee does, and the severity of it was directly proportional to relative fame and career length, then... let's see... yeah, according to the calculations I just pretended to do, Roger Ebert should have had his house fucking firebombed at this point.

It must be depressing for Yahtzee. God knows, even us onlookers find it depressing. We still have to deal with legions of fuckwits arguing that you shouldn't take him seriously purely because of the the misanthropic humor and clearly subjective flavour that permeates his videos. The real tragedy of all this is that the vast amounts of quite valid criticism one could level at him get largely ignored.

If I see a stand-up make a fairly typical gag about how all iPhone owners are apparently dicks, and then another gag about how the iPad is shit, and then another gag about how he's addicted to playing a game on his iPod touch, I don't expect to see a significant portion of the Apple product owners in the audience stand up and start screaming about bias or taking his jokes so seriously that they feel as though he's attacking them personally. Why does Yahtzee get it?

Me being a massive fanboy, I'm going to go right ahead and claim that the problem lies with a lot of the people who watch his reviews, and seem to lack the mental capacity to recognise the difference between genuine criticism, personal expression of taste and foulmouthed comedic ribbing which comedians dish out on a daily basis. Some people, it seems, still have trouble drawing distinctions between things that appear alongside each other.

It's bewildering. Utterly fucking bewildering. Why do people put such stock in games? Why do any of us even need to have this conversation? Yahtzee walks a line which many other critics (like, say, Charlie Brooker, to name the most obviously similar media personality) do without such hassle. I feel as though Yahtzee wouldn't be putting up with any of this shit if his videos dealt with any other medium. Only us gamers could be so pathetically entitled and depressingly personal when it comes to our preferred products.

As for percieved bias against Nintendo, this still makes no sense to me or anyone with half a brain. He has his own taste in games, he lays that out for all to see, and then talks about why he thinks a game is totally shit if it doesn't meet his criteria. The fact that this has been true of several Nintendo properties is no indicator of bias against the company. All it indicates is that he doesn't like those particular Nintendo products. What do they think he could possibly stand to gain from maintaining a consistent front against a particular company? How have these people forgotten about all the times he praised them?

And if we assume for a moment that he really is based against Nintendo.... then why, why, why, why [b]WHY[b] does it genuinely bother absolutely fucking ANYONE?! no, seriosuly, this is the sticking point for me: Dismissal I can understand. Hell, many Nintendo fans who also loved Kid Icarus just seem to laugh it up and move on. But acting as though the be-trilbied game critic and all-round online funnyman crafts his 5-minute verbal skewerings and sticks them online with the express intention of insulting you personally? how self-obsessed is that?!

Before discovering Yahtzee, I had no idea a harsh, comedic critique of a game could elicit a genuinely emotional negative response from people. I suppose there are far more pathetically insecure fuckwits in the world than I previously thought possible.

BiH-Kira:

Landrius:

BiH-Kira:
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I am biased. I never said I wasn't. Everyone is biased in some way.
I also don't mind him making fun of whatever game he wants to. I watch the show for the jokes.

My point was to show him that he is biased and he should just stop saying how he wasn't. Read my last paragraph. He should just say "yes, I am biased" and move one. I wasn't butthurt that he didn't like the game. I was annoyed by his minute long intro explaining something that isn't true and that he called people who have different opinions twats.

The average user would get a warning for something like that, just one report. Jet, he can do it without problems.

It maybe doesn't seem like that from my post, but I still enjoyed the video. I enjoyed the video of Skyward Sword even tho I really loved the game. I take it as comedy. But I just can't take anymore of the Yahtzee fanboys calling everyone around them stupid fanboys for disagreeing with Yahtzee. Not even disagreeing, but just pointing out obvious flaws or falls "facts" that Yahtzee likes to use. But now even he calls me names for liking a game that he didn't like, really?

Why should I accept being called a stupid fanboy for point out at flaws? I don't mind when someone doesn't like my opinion, but should my post, which may be full of facts, not just opinions, be dismissed because Yahtzee and his follower call me a fanboy?

Yes, there is some critic to his work, but my main point is that he should accept that he is biased and move one.

Also, if he wants to keep his "journalistic" credibility (lets call it so), he should behave more maturely than this.

Except no-one expects a critique to contain journalistic inegrity, least of all Yahtzee. As I've said, most of this is contained in his written work. This is quite possibly why he seemd to think the notion of himself as a journalist is a laughable prospect. Yahtzee hasn ever tried to erect a veil of objectivity around his work, save for that which is, arguably, quite objective (like that game design pyramid structure thing he came up with a while ago).

He defines himself as a comedic critic. This is not remotely the same as defining yourself as a reviewer. As for his maturity, you don't really have to look much further than Extra punctuation.

Anyway, no-one is attacking you, champ. No-one. Least of all Yahtzee. Look at my comedian example - it's completely irrational to throw yourself on a skewer which was only erected for the purposes of comedically impaling people who aren't really you.

You do yourself a disservice letting comments like this get to you. The logical conclusion of this is complaining to TV regulatory bodies every time a TV comedian takes the piss out people who just happen to share an interest that you have. You're better off laughing along with it or just dismissing it, while laughing at those who genuinely get bothered by it. We all have better things to do with our time, and counter-complaints aren't worth it unless someone genuinely spits venom at specific groups of people who have done nothing wrong.

You're totally within your rights to disagree with him or raise a discussion about whether or not he is genuinely disrespectful towards his audience in a way that breaches the bounds of good taste, but I really don't think you have cause to be that annoyed. Man of us fanboys are just as bad as the people they defend Yahtzee from. I think it would be much more productive and benficial to us all if you used your energy and perception to point this out.

As for your desire to see Yahtzee provide an admission of personal bias about Nintendo - there is none. Seriously. None at all. The fact that some of his least favourite games of late were Nintendo titles is no indicator of a hatred for Nintendo, least of all when he continually praises them for managing to express more creative merit than many other game development companies do these days.

[1] How can they say that he "trashed" the game if he only criticised one aspect of it? Surely if he only ragged on the controls, we'd never have known his general opinion on the game?

I'm fine with Yahtzee disagreeing with my opinions all he likes so long as it's in good taste.

I can't speak for everyone, but I assume most negative backlash he received for this episode stems less from his dislike of Kid Icarus Uprising or his exaggerated, erroneous assertions that the controls are physically painful and absolutely require the stand ( I never felt the need to use it, but that's just me ), but stems more from the implied insulting of his (many, apparently) fans that genuinely enjoyed this game.

I mean he was cruel to brawl, but I don't think he ever claimed the game was "for twats". I actually really liked that episode despite its lampooning of one of my favorite games.

Personally, the sprinkled insults made this episode less funny to me than usual. I'm willing to bet some others felt the same.

Doesn't mean there aren't those who believe Yahtzee hates Nintendo, but it also doesn't mean everyone who complains is in that boat.

Landrius:

BiH-Kira:
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I am biased. I never said I wasn't. Everyone is biased in some way.
I also don't mind him making fun of whatever game he wants to. I watch the show for the jokes.

My point was to show him that he is biased and he should just stop saying how he wasn't. Read my last paragraph. He should just say "yes, I am biased" and move one. I wasn't butthurt that he didn't like the game. I was annoyed by his minute long intro explaining something that isn't true and that he called people who have different opinions twats.

The average user would get a warning for something like that, just one report. Jet, he can do it without problems.

It maybe doesn't seem like that from my post, but I still enjoyed the video. I enjoyed the video of Skyward Sword even tho I really loved the game. I take it as comedy. But I just can't take anymore of the Yahtzee fanboys calling everyone around them stupid fanboys for disagreeing with Yahtzee. Not even disagreeing, but just pointing out obvious flaws or falls "facts" that Yahtzee likes to use. But now even he calls me names for liking a game that he didn't like, really?

Why should I accept being called a stupid fanboy for point out at flaws? I don't mind when someone doesn't like my opinion, but should my post, which may be full of facts, not just opinions, be dismissed because Yahtzee and his follower call me a fanboy?

Yes, there is some critic to his work, but my main point is that he should accept that he is biased and move one.

Also, if he wants to keep his "journalistic" credibility (lets call it so), he should behave more maturely than this.

I'm a bit surprised by this week's EP. It sounds like he wants to be thought of more then just an entertainer in regard to the weekly slam-fest he has with a new game. That's why I watch ZP. It's fun regardless of wether or not I agree with his opinion of the game. I think the heart of the issue might be how much punditry he ads to his critiques (notice I didn't say review) of games which isn't journalism, but people take it as such. I think that there is a disconnect between those people and the part of Yahtzee that wants to be taken seriously.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
I appreciate that Nintendo seem to be the only triple-A company still interested in trying new things

I will argue that Blizzard is trying several new things in Diablo III, besides the in game mechanics ones (redone all the leveling and stat system) this game seems like a very ballsy experiment to see what can and can't be done with real money item buying and selling in a higly supervised eviroment, i want to see how does it compares against EVE or Second Life in therms of making it profitable for the dedicated player (my guess? it will crush the dreams that some people have about making a living with it). Blizz is also not clueless, they know by implementing this model they are forgoing a lot of launch sales, i guess they are confident that it will be addictive enough to keep the first costumers playing and luring new players. Honestly i see this game as a hugue psychological experiment and i find it very intriguing, no way in hell ill devote time to it though, i am more interested in seeing how the community evolves than in the actual game.

Then again i like blizz :P

This is why if I ever did anything, I would never read the comments. The comments are worthless, save for the amount of them. Like fan mail. No one ever reads all that shit. Ever. Nor should that as it can drive one insane.

I'm not a huge nintendo guy, but I admit I felt an urge to stand up and defend Kid Icarus. Until I saw who wrote the article and remembered how much fun I had playing every single one of your games through to the end. So respectfully, I keep my mouth shut.

I managed to finish the entire game without using the stand. Don't even know where it is XD

Guess I'm a superhero now.

My problem with the reviews was that it seemed to be complaining about stupid things. Anime visuals? Errrr. Obvious from box? Can we have complaints about Call of Duty looking realistic? Levels short? For a handheld game...hmmm I dunno. Some levels easily pass the 30 minute mark. And it's not like there's about 10 levels or so. Plenty of them. But then we also have him complaining that what he did play was torture. So is it a complaint about the levels being too long and torturous or too short? I dunno

Complaints about Nintendo reviving older series? Ok. So lets just let them repeat the same franchises every year (ok they kinda do that anyways) and not bother. Despite people badgering them for the older ones.

I never thought you were biased against Nintendo Yahtzee. I knew you were not particularly fond of motion controls, but I never thought that equated to bias against Nintendo. Then again, I'm not a Nintendo fanboy. I like many of Nintendo's main franchises and I think Nintendo has done a lot of good for the industry, but I don't worship them or anything.

trollpwner:
Yahtzee, you twit! I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Do. Not. Try. And. Reason. With. Fanboys.

It doesn't work. They live in a different plane of existence to us, where logic can be drowned out by them shouting their opinions at us until we want to kill ourselves. Arguging with them only gives them a platform to yell at you for being "wrong" for disagreeing with them.

There. Fix'd it for you. It doesn't matter what they're a fanboy of, reasoning with them is futile.

Not to be rude but what I got out of the whole issue with the stand was "I can't hold the 3ds with one hand!" The complaint about 3d on a portable system has been addressed before, as has motion controls. The whole thing was mostly a retread of what you've said before yahtzee. I sympathize with the crazy fans though, but perish the thought they're Nintendo exclusive.

Now I'm convinced Nintendo does have a Vendetta against yahtzee, as vengeance for ragging on motion controls. I find handheld controls perfectly servicable to interface with a game, thank you very much. He just showed me one more reason NOT to get a 3DS. I played with a couple @ the Nintendo booth @ GDC2012 and they did not leave a good impression.

Zeriah:

Revnak:
I'm sorry Yahtzee, but all I read in that article was bias, bias, fuck motion controls, bias.

As for people assuming that fans of the game just don't want to have it revealed to them that they are wrong, why are you assuming that? Maybe they just like those games while Yahtzee doesn't and feel they need some kind of justification. Just because Yahtzee dislikes something doesn't mean that everyone who likes it is absolutely wrong and simply doesn't want to admit it (and thank God for that! I love 40k regardless of Yahtzee's opinions). Maybe these aren't even all the same people, but actually different fans of different games. The assumptions you guys keep throwing around are just as moronic as the ones people keep making about Yahtzee.

Yahtzee doesn't hate you for having a different opinion than himself. The issue he has is when people immediately dismiss his articles and often times legitimate, albeit humorous arguments because of this perceived bias. He doesn't give a stuff if you say he is wrong and then show the reasons why. It is when somebody is all "Nintendo bias QED" or the people who simply cannot tolerate him having a different opinion than their own. If this isn't you than it isn't aimed at you.

I for one don't give a toss either way though, this is too funny for me. Yahtzee rags on just about everything, that is his gimmick. His "reviews" are not so much that, as more of a showing of the game's flaws in a humorous way. Every single week there are a portion of viewers who just can't hold in their anger at a game they like but will often be laughing along next week once it's a game they are indifferent about. I mean sometimes you may have some pretty good points but that you are actually getting honestly upset at a comedic show is strange to me. Do you also get upset and filled with rage when South Park or Family Guy pokes fun at something you like?

Um, at what point (other than the clearly sarcastic opening sentence) did I accuse Yahtzee of anything? My comment was towards the guys that were posting about how Nintendo fans simply refuse to admit their games suck despite deep down knowing that it is true. Those guys are being total pricks.

And again, it comes down to "You have to use the stand".

See, when I got the game, I initially refused to use the stand, in much the same way that he refused to use the 3D. And I did fine. A month later, and 100 hours logged, and I still barely use the stand at all. I'm not even sure where it is.

But some people want to use the stand. Some people feel more comfortable with it. Some people want to use variant control schemes that really can't be done without the. And some people, apparently, feel compelled to use it, even though it apparently is a most uncomfortable way to play it for them. And I can respect that. Well, the first three, anyway. The first three are why the stand was packaged with the game, and yet, everyone goes the "they knew it was terrible".

Side note: It's not an "autofire" option so much as it is a "fire when you get the target on the enemy" option, so charged shots do work.

That last line is hilarious. I am going to start saying that every time a bad Nintendo game comes out.

The Random One:
Nice try, Yahtzee, but everyone knows that with every bad game you play you become more powerful. Nintendo is being petty and biased against you every time they release a GOOD game. 'Let's see that bastard make fun of this!', they cackle madly.

Or maybe Nintendo and Yahtzee have some secret pact where they will continue to release bad games so he will always have something to hate on and therefore always have a job!

Tanakh:

Yahtzee Croshaw:
I appreciate that Nintendo seem to be the only triple-A company still interested in trying new things

I will argue that Blizzard is trying several new things in Diablo III, besides the in game mechanics ones (redone all the leveling and stat system) this game seems like a very ballsy experiment to see what can and can't be done with real money item buying and selling in a higly supervised eviroment, i want to see how does it compares against EVE or Second Life in therms of making it profitable for the dedicated player (my guess? it will crush the dreams that some people have about making a living with it). Blizz is also not clueless, they know by implementing this model they are forgoing a lot of launch sales, i guess they are confident that it will be addictive enough to keep the first costumers playing and luring new players. Honestly i see this game as a hugue psychological experiment and i find it very intriguing, no way in hell ill devote time to it though, i am more interested in seeing how the community evolves than in the actual game.

Then again i like blizz :P

Well that's new for Diablo but not really new for games in general or even Blizzard really. The fact of the matter is once your game is called Diablo III you really can't expect too much in the way of "changes the gaming world forever."

what i find weird is no that people whine that you're always ragging on nintendo, it's that people think you're always ONLY ragging on nintendo. bitch slapping games and game/gaming hardware developers is just how you work! these fanboys don't seem to mind when you're stomping on epic, or ubisoft, or whoever, but the moment you apply your characteristic hyper-criticism against nintendo, they cry fowl.

Didn't he say he doesn't wear that hat anymore because it started to smell?

Anyway, Extra Punctuation has always been a place for Yahtzee to just fuck around because he can't be bothered to have something to write about, but an article that contains the phrase "Hey, fanboys"? Really going stoop that low?

trollpwner:
Yahtzee, you twit! I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Do. Not. Try. And. Reason. With. Nintendo. Fanboys.

It doesn't work. They live in a different plane of existence to us, where logic can be drowned out by them shouting their opinions at us until we want to kill ourselves. Arguging with them only gives them a platform to yell at you for being "wrong" for disagreeing with them.

I truly hope this is a joke...

Yahtzee, I said it in your review of Kid Icarus and I'll say it again, you go after the Wii and the 3DS all. The. Fraking. Time. And every time you go after them, your arguments are the exact same "stupid gimmicky motion controls, stupid gimmicky 3D blah blah blah". I know that you're not biased, but to many people you come across as someone with a serious grudge against nintendo's current generation of gaming, you said that you agree that these jokes have become dated, so here's a piece of advice. Stop using them. If you think that they're stale and used up, then why the heck would you keep using them, are you that bad at coming up with new jokes? And the fact that you never let up does nothing to help alleviate this opinion about you. Oh yeah, and you constantly insult people and throw the word fanboy around like it's going out of style, there's probably a reason why people think that you're biased. You pretty much dedicate everything you do on this website to insulting a game, insulting game companies and more than once you've insulted people for their tastes. But then again I'm a Halo fan so I guess that makes me a "Meta Cunt" what do I know? I would think that anyone who passed social educate 101 would know that people who regularly insult groups of people on a regular basis assume that they have a grudge, oh and basic internet 101, you insult somebody (which you do all, and I mean ALL of the time) they will insult you back. Ever think of that Ben? Is this honestly shocking to you? I would have thought when you decided to make "insult everything and everyone" your motif, there would be at least a couple of people that wouldn't take it light heartily. Welcome to the internet pal, you must be new.

My Advice? Try to keep your material fresh and focus on hating games and not fans of the games...this is gonna fall on deaf ears but I'm posting it anyway, pretty much everyone who isn't a "Nintendo fanboy" is nodding their heads and unison and agreeing with you without question. Someone has to play Devil's advocate.

yahtzee your fighting a battle against nintendo fanboys they cannot be reasoned with or have a civilized discusion they will shout their opinion and they will think it's right always because nintendo fans flock together so from now on you should just start trolling them for shits and giggles.

Pattern recognition is a sure sign of an alert, functioning mind.

I can see why certain folk might envy that to the point of jealousy.

As a Nintendo Fanboy, I will never understand why people can't deal with other people having opinions and why they must instantly bash them for this. Not everyone is going to agree with your opinions, and there is no reason to yell at them for not agreeing with you. I enjoyed what I have played of Kid Icarus, so am I going to call Yahtzee a Nintendo hater because he hated it? No. There is absolutely no reason to argue about it.

I have to admit I do find it very funny that Yahtzee has got his panties in a twist over this. I think a nerve has been found. That said I do think that is ole Ben Croshaw wants to do his usual review style of viscous verbal beat-down then he's gonna get a response. Doesn't mean that reason is right but it's predictable.

McMarbles:

Scrumpmonkey:
How can any section of people keep ignoring these points? It's a portable game. That requires a stand. This should be the end of the argument.

I've known lots of people who had no problem playing it without a stand.

Unless "requires" now means "can be optionally be played with".

Well if the stand is not needed why was it shipped with one? The game is REALLY rather awkward to play without the it. If it was not, the stand would not exist. These are facts.

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