Kid Icarus: Uprising and Hurt Nintendo Fans

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Dear Yahtzee,

I don't know if you will ever read this, this far down the thread, personally I would email you instead but I can't seem to find your email on the site.

Just wanted to say there isn't much point with argue with viewers on the forums - in general it's pointless to argue on the net as a whole; as such that I have stop taking part in internet discussions completely.

The internet doesn't really have "discussions". Most "forum threads" are what are known as "circlejerks", that basically act as support groups for people who share an opinion to pat each other on the back and high-five one another for ... well ... sharing the same opinion.

The PoV that will dominate the thread is determined by majority vote. Some sites like reddit even have "upvote/downvote buttons" for you to abuse to bury dissenting views. Even without such "upvote/downvote buttons", you can expect to be overwhelmed by the sheer number of "attacks" on your views - attacks that will use very rhetorical trick in the book to push their agenda and even resort to bare insults in an attempt to intimidation you into surrendering - that it becomes exhausting just to continue the discussion.

In short, it's lot like fighting a lynch mob. Futile. In general, not worth it.

Debates should only be done with non-retarded trustworthy real-life friends IMO.

Sincerely,
A viewer.

I completely agree that Nintendo haven't been doing very good lately and I think it's completely down to a lack of innovation. Hell, last year at E3, they didn't even showcase "one" new IP and the most original idea they could come up with was Luigi's Mansion 2 - two - that should say it all...

Wait... he actually reads comments?

I refuse to believe it.

Revnak:
I'm sorry Yahtzee, but all I read in that article was bias, bias, fuck motion controls, bias.

As for people assuming that fans of the game just don't want to have it revealed to them that they are wrong, why are you assuming that? Maybe they just like those games while Yahtzee doesn't and feel they need some kind of justification. Just because Yahtzee dislikes something doesn't mean that everyone who likes it is absolutely wrong and simply doesn't want to admit it (and thank God for that! I love 40k regardless of Yahtzee's opinions). Maybe these aren't even all the same people, but actually different fans of different games. The assumptions you guys keep throwing around are just as moronic as the ones people keep making about Yahtzee.

You do realize you just validated everything he said right? I don't know what kind of world you live in where you read bias on any part of that article, breaking it down, he looks at why the game doesn't work well on handhelds, points out that the games controls are flawed, blaming nintendo but later praising them a little for moving away from motion controls because they don't immerse you as much as a regular controller.
He provided an objective example of why the main controls of the game don't work, and you claimed he was biased without any proof to back up your argument, and of course the majority of people don't assume that every game he doesn't like is bad as in the end, it boils down to his opinion, which is why it's ridiculous that people would try telling him that his opinion was wrong.

Warachia:
in the end, it boils down to his opinion, which is why it's ridiculous that people would try telling him that his opinion was wrong.

Except, to be fair, Yahtzee called Kid Icarus: Uprising a "shit game for twats" so he's being rather hypocritical.

itsmeyouidiot:

It's not so much buyer's remorse as it is about being personally insulted.

If someone calls my mother a whore, I'm not going to suddenly question if she is, because I know she isn't. I am, however, going to punch that person's teeth out, because insulting my mother is insulting me by implication.

The same is true of a game I like. If you attack a game I love to the degree that Yahtzee does, you are essentially bullying me for it. If you were to be polite in criticism, I'd probably disagree respectfully, but since Yahtzee's entire shtick is to be an asshole, I am going to be defensive, because he is attacking.

See, all you're doing is proving an unnatural attachment to these games. Nowhere in the video or this column has Yahtzee personally insulted you. He's insulted the game's characters because it's funny, the developers for their failings, and people, as a group, who have misinterpreted his opinions and criticisms as bias, and if you fall into that third group, then you've made your bed. But if you're claiming that you're virtuous in this argument because all you're doing is defending the game's quality, then I laugh at you. Ha.

I'm not usually one to say "you shouldn't be offended by this", but I guess I'm imperfect and have to make an exception here. I think it's closer to the idea that you're too closely associating yourself with an entity that certainly has no personal connection to you, and yet you feel the need to protect and defend it. To my eyes, all you're really defending is your own pride.

If you're truly enjoying these games, then you shouldn't *need* to be reaffirmed for your enjoyment by watching a British guy throw insults at it. You *should* be confident in your own opinions and beliefs enough that this one guy can't shake them. The fact that you *aren't* and feel the need to lash out against his character and integrity speaks volumes.

Lastly, I'm sure your analogy wasn't meant to equate video games to family members, so I'll give you a little pass on that, but I still suggest you be careful, because it can easily be interpreted that way.

Buretsu:
Except, to be fair, Yahtzee called Kid Icarus: Uprising a "shit game for twats" so he's being rather hypocritical.

And if you can't tell he was being hypocritical by design for effect, then I laugh once more. It's not like Yahtzee is any stranger to the hypocritical and self-deprecating side of humor.

Draconalis:
Wait... he actually reads comments?

I refuse to believe it.

This threw me more than anything else in his column. :-P

CyricZ:

ccesarano:

Or not?

My statement isn't meant to be directed at people who enjoyed the game. You're free to enjoy the game as much as you want. In fact, I believe I stated my own enjoyment in my original post, and if you think it's even better than that, then I'm happy that you were able to get that enjoyment.

My statement is directed at people who claim bias or otherwise attempt to discredit those who have a different opinion than them. There's a reason they're lashing out in this case and I honestly don't think it's company loyalty. That leaves it more on a personal level, and the most obvious answer is buyer's remorse.

Seriously, guys. Hold true to your beliefs about what you enjoy and respectfully disagree with those who don't enjoy those things. To get defensive is to go down a dangerous path.

"Defensive" is such a wonderful word, isn't it?

Insult someone all you want... if they have the nerve to take offense at it, why... they're just being "defensive"! You're thoroughly absolved of any responsbility for what you say, because they shouldn't be "defensive"!

Why does Yahtzee give a damn so much about irrational fanboys and fangirls?

That said, I do think Yahtzee's a total wuss if Kid Icarus: Uprising, a game THIS sissy little girl could play for over one hundred hours with zero problems, is in such agonizing pain over playing the game.

Geez, I grew up on Track and Field and I still remember the blisters I got from Mario Party games on the N64. Kid Icarus: Uprising is a downright pleasure massage compared to those.

But I think the bigger deal is that a game can be flawed (I use the stand for KI:U when I'm in bed and my boobs aren't giving me enough support for it), yet still be a masterpiece of content, gameplay, music, art, etc.

Resident Evil 1 is a classic despite bad controls and a bad camera. Metroid 1 is a classic despite the lack of a map. Modern games like Portal 1 are classic despite their coffee-break length, and Bioshock is a classic despite a really bad final boss fight and lackluster endings. Yes, FF7 is great, despite graphics that turn the heroes into sausage-armed monstrosities. Yes, Deus Ex: Human Revolution is great, despite really bad boss battles. Yes, Killer7 is great despite a HUGE list of gaming sins it commits.

I'm not a Nintendo fangirl (cue Yahtzee going "yes you are"); I'm a fan of games in general, be they on the Vita, 3DS, iPhone, 360, PS3, PC, Wii... hell, put a good game on the N-Gage and I'd play it. Yahtzee's entitled to his opinion, but I'm very grateful for a game like Kid Icarus: Uprising, a game with no online passes, no DRM, no day-1 DLC, no locked-on-disc content, no "Super Turbo" edition, a game with a 10+ hour campaign, fun multiplayer, thousands of secrets and unlockables, all for a price far cheaper than Kane & Lynch 2 ever was at launch.

For the first, I don't know, 20 minutes, I might have agreed with Yahtzee, but I got over the learning curve, got my hands to adapt, and thoroughly enjoyed the game from start to finish and all the way through again and again (curse you, 9.0 Intensity!).

I just find it funny he's in such melodramatic pain and misery playing the game while a girl like me that can't even lift a heavy phone book didn't find it uncomfortable enough to diminish the experience. Kinda makes me want to arm-wrestle Yahtzee to see if he'd cry and give up if I brought my A-game.

Revnak:
I'm sorry Yahtzee, but all I read in that article was bias, bias, fuck motion controls, bias.

That's because, let's face it, you've decided not to like Yahtzee (for whatever reason) and all you can see in his comments is negative. You've got your own bias you can't see beyond. As a person who's pretty neutral on Nintendo, I can see that Yahtzee is pointing out legitimate faults or failings, not just hating on Nintendo for the sake of it.

BiH-Kira:

...and secondly insulting me and my journalistic credibility.

I laughed here quite a bit.
So you have the right to insult people calling them twats because they like a game you don't, insulting people who like motion controls and 3D, jet people aren't allowed to say anything back?

And you didn't have and journalistic credibility to begin with. The big majority of you fans watch you only for the humor, and not to see if they should buy the game. Those who do take your review seriously obviously don't know that you blow everything out of proportions and minor problems seem worse than dooms day. You do sometimes have good points, but unless someone actually played the game, he can't know if you exaggerated or if it's true. But usually it's you exaggerating as much as possible.

You called me a twat because I like the game. And this isn't the first time you insult people because they like games you don't like. No, not even don't like. Games you didn't play past the first 3 minutes. And that is especially the case in Nintendo games.

You ranted in the review of Skyward Sword how the controls didn't work, jet they worked perfectly fine unless you wave the Wiimote like a madman. Ya know, swords can't be precise and attack 20 times a second.

No matter how much a Zelda game changes, as long as it's a adventure game with Link, you will keep saying how it's the same game. Do you even know what the word "franchise" means? I don't think it means what you think it means.

Motion controls work find and can add to the game. True, not every game should have them, but Skyward Sword worked perfectly with them. Games like Red Steel 2 wouldn't even exist without motion controls. All the problems that you have with motion controls aren't caused by the controls but by the developer who can't think of anything creative and useful.

In the last video you wasted half a review just to explain how you are NOT against Nintendo and than proceed to bash Nintendo more than the game.

3D jokes aren't funny anymore. The 3D works fine and is actually useful in the game. The 3D has a much wider field of view than you give it credit. You can walk, sit in the bus, even jump and see the 3D without any problems.

The controls are clumsy at first, but you can get easily used to it and you don't need the fucking stand. It seems to me just that people hand coordination is so fucked up that if they ever needed to survive 5 days on their own, 99% of the human population would die because they would kill them self because they couldn't control their hands while keeping a knife in it.
Did you ever tried to just place your pinky finger behind the 3DS? The fixes EVERY problem there is with the controls. EVERY!

Every other problem would be caused by your inability to move different fingers at will. Or if you're a lefty.

Maybe they could have made the controls better, maybe not. It all depends on how you like them. But fact is, they aren't as bad as you make them to be and you can change them. But no, you couldn't make bad jokes if you said that.

Stop trying justifying your bias and just say you're biased and that's it. No one will give a second fuck about it and people will proceed yo laugh at you "reviews".

You've really only proven that it is impossible to engage dedicated fans of anything. Criticisms are seen as attacks, opinions as incorrect facts, positive comments ignored by the fan.

"The controls are clumsy at first"
And they shouldn't be. When the controls of a game are almost universally pointed out as a problem, it's a problem. The very fact that Nintendo felt the need to include the stand shows they realize that there is a problem.

"The 3D has a much wider field of view than you give it credit. You can walk, sit in the bus, even jump and see the 3D without any problems."
I'm calling bullshit on that right now. Bullshit The viewing angle required for the 3D effect to look "right" is laughably narrow and you or anyone else claiming otherwise are putting lipstick on a pig. Glasses-free 3D on the 3DS is easily the worst feature of the device and anything protestations otherwise smack of willful ignorance at worst, exaggeration at best.

McMarbles:
"Defensive" is such a wonderful word, isn't it?

Insult someone all you want... if they have the nerve to take offense at it, why... they're just being "defensive"! You're thoroughly absolved of any responsbility for what you say, because they shouldn't be "defensive"!

Yeah, okay. I mean, if you want to distill the argument down to word choice, I imagine I can come up with a better one. How about "protective"? Or "attached"? Or "apologist"?

Yeah, any word can lose meaning when people improperly associate it too many times, but I'm gonna defend (ha!) proper use here largely due to any people taking Yahtzee videos far too personally.

thepyrethatburns:
My response to Yahtzee would be as follows:

Firstly, journalistic credibility? I know ZP has been very good to you but there's a point in which one starts believing one's own press a little too much. I would argue that nobody uses ZP or the Extra Punctuation columns to determine whether or not they will buy a game.

Hi there. I bought Dead Space 2 thanks to his review about it. I was considering whether or not I should buy it, then I watched his video and I did. And I enjoy it. ... and I'm horribly addicted to it (STOMPING ON DEAD BABIES IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!). Just... keep that in mind, okay? Haven't you ever gone into the comments of the ZP videos and saw someone say, "Well, I'm off to get this game now" or any variation of the phrase? I mean, really? No one but me (and that's still enough to invalidate your arguement) has ever decided to buy a game based on what they heard in Zero or Extra Punctuation? I doubt that.

This isn't just Nintendo fanboys. The gaming industry is full of some of the most (some times it feels like THE most) infantile, sexist, biased, idiotic people you'll ever meet. Coddling their childhood nostalgia for certain franchises and companies like some holy religious relic that can never be questioned or have their obvious flaws pointed out.

It constantly brings up the idea in my mind that, while it's possible for games to become more than what they are as an interactive medium as shown by games like Journey on the PS3, the whole thing has this underlying basis of undeserved childish self important antagonism. "My ideas/thoughts/opinions are better than everyone else's, I don't have to explain it or have facts or examples to back up what I say or why I say it, that's just how it is. If anyone brings facts or examples to counter my argument, I'll just lump them into some quick easy stereotype I've made up or is already available so I don't have to bother thinking. BECAUSE THINKING HURTS MY BRAIN!"

I've gotten more and more disgusted with the video game fanbase having such petty arguments over what is essentially a toy. A toy with great possibilities, but at this point in time it's still a toy since it hasn't been taken completely serious as a medium yet (or maybe never).

I started trying to take up reading instead and I bought a Kindle to help me with that. At least here I don't have to (for the vast majority in relation to video games) deal with this childish non-sense I see that's so pervasive in the community that they haven't grown out of since the days of the Atari/Arcades/NES. I still play video games that I'm interested in, but I try not to talk to anyone about what I play most of the time.

The Crazy Legs:

thepyrethatburns:
My response to Yahtzee would be as follows:

Firstly, journalistic credibility? I know ZP has been very good to you but there's a point in which one starts believing one's own press a little too much. I would argue that nobody uses ZP or the Extra Punctuation columns to determine whether or not they will buy a game.

Hi there. I bought Dead Space 2 thanks to his review about it. I was considering whether or not I should buy it, then I watched his video and I did. And I enjoy it. ... and I'm horribly addicted to it (STOMPING ON DEAD BABIES IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!). Just... keep that in mind, okay? Haven't you ever gone into the comments of the ZP videos and saw someone say, "Well, I'm off to get this game now" or any variation of the phrase? I mean, really? No one but me (and that's still enough to invalidate your arguement) has ever decided to buy a game based on what they heard in Zero or Extra Punctuation? I doubt that.

So, if you decided to buy a beer because you saw a girl wearing a T-shirt with the beer's logo, she would have journalistic credibility? If you see a commercial for McDonald's and get a McRib, that commercial has journalistic credibility?

Fine. I'll dial the "noone has ever bought a game based on a ZP" comment back but, by your own admission, you were already considering buying it. In much the same way you might have been hungry and the commercial came on at the right time, ZP was, at best, a contributing factor to your decision. This does not give either journalistic credibility.

I still don't get why EVERYONE jumps all over the Call of Duty franchise for "releasing the same game very year" when Nintendo have done nothing but this with: Mario, Zelda, Pokémon Etc, but they're allowed to get away with it.

Jesus god I really dislike Nintendo sometimes, I mean sure they sort of Innovated with the Wii and 3Ds but they don't work bloody well enough to really justify them existing
In short.
VALVe ftw..:3

CyricZ:

Buretsu:
Except, to be fair, Yahtzee called Kid Icarus: Uprising a "shit game for twats" so he's being rather hypocritical.

And if you can't tell he was being hypocritical by design for effect, then I laugh once more. It's not like Yahtzee is any stranger to the hypocritical and self-deprecating side of humor.

OH, so this article was one big joke at Yahtzee's expense. Gotcha.

I agree that they shouldn't have included the stand.

Because the blasted thing isn't nearly useful enough to be worth people using it as the main point for why they think the game is bad.

More people use the stand as a soapbox to stand on than as a support for the blasted handheld!

Capitano Segnaposto:

I truly hope this is a joke...

Sadly, it's the truth. He spends a minute in his video explaining it, this entire damn column going over it and yet this forum is still full of fanboys ardently insisting that he "IS TEH HATERSZ BIASSZSDSS OMG!!!1!!!" These nintendo fanboys just aren't listening to logic. Although as these people:

canadamus_prime:
SNIP

Yopaz:
SNIP

theultimateend:
SNIP

have been alarmingly quick to remind me, yes this applies to almost any foaming, radical fanboy. Such people are not thinking clearly or logically. They just have this little bit in ther brains going RAARGH RAARGH RAAGH, THIS PERSON DISAGREED WITH ME AND THIS IS BAAAD!!! Nobody who attempts to reason with them can win, because they just aren't speaking the same language.

CyricZ:

itsmeyouidiot:

It's not so much buyer's remorse as it is about being personally insulted.

If someone calls my mother a whore, I'm not going to suddenly question if she is, because I know she isn't. I am, however, going to punch that person's teeth out, because insulting my mother is insulting me by implication.

The same is true of a game I like. If you attack a game I love to the degree that Yahtzee does, you are essentially bullying me for it. If you were to be polite in criticism, I'd probably disagree respectfully, but since Yahtzee's entire shtick is to be an asshole, I am going to be defensive, because he is attacking.

If you're truly enjoying these games, then you shouldn't *need* to be reaffirmed for your enjoyment by watching a British guy throw insults at it. You *should* be confident in your own opinions and beliefs enough that this one guy can't shake them. The fact that you *aren't* and feel the need to lash out against his character and integrity speaks volumes.

I do sincerely enjoy these games, and I am confident enough that he isn't going to have a chance at affecting that. This isn't about insecurity, this is about the fact that Yahtzee continues to personally insult, directly or otherwise, anyone who doesn't agree with him.

I don't need to be reaffirmed for anything that I enjoy because Yahtzee attacks. If someone calls you a twat for liking something, the appropriate response is to punch his teeth out, not because you're insecure, but because the other guy is an asshole to you.

One of the biggest pieces of bullshit that every kid is fed in grade school is that you should just ignore bullies and they won't bother you. I was bullied my whole life until the end of middle school, and ignoring them didn't do a goddamned thing. Now I know that if someone acts like an asshole, the right thing to do is call them out on it.

thepyrethatburns:

The Crazy Legs:

thepyrethatburns:
My response to Yahtzee would be as follows:

Firstly, journalistic credibility? I know ZP has been very good to you but there's a point in which one starts believing one's own press a little too much. I would argue that nobody uses ZP or the Extra Punctuation columns to determine whether or not they will buy a game.

Hi there. I bought Dead Space 2 thanks to his review about it. I was considering whether or not I should buy it, then I watched his video and I did. And I enjoy it. ... and I'm horribly addicted to it (STOMPING ON DEAD BABIES IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!). Just... keep that in mind, okay? Haven't you ever gone into the comments of the ZP videos and saw someone say, "Well, I'm off to get this game now" or any variation of the phrase? I mean, really? No one but me (and that's still enough to invalidate your arguement) has ever decided to buy a game based on what they heard in Zero or Extra Punctuation? I doubt that.

So, if you decided to buy a beer because you saw a girl wearing a T-shirt with the beer's logo, she would have journalistic credibility? If you see a commercial for McDonald's and get a McRib, that commercial has journalistic credibility?

Fine. I'll dial the "noone has ever bought a game based on a ZP" comment back but, by your own admission, you were already considering buying it. In much the same way you might have been hungry and the commercial came on at the right time, ZP was, at best, a contributing factor to your decision. This does not give either journalistic credibility.

I suppose your first point has validity (although you are falling victim to a certain logical fallacy), and I accept that. I also accept that, like you said, Yahtzee's review was only a contributing factor in buying my game. But it still helped contribute. It helped me make up my mind about it, so that helps. I'm just going to drop my argument here. This thread already has enough arguments going on without one that's all about beer, McDonald's, and how they relate to Zero Punctuation. (*Sarcasm* Also, McDonald's? What, just because I play Dead Space that means I treat myself to beer and *wretch* MCDONALD's?!)

Jailbird408:
Laugh at these comments all you like, but somewhere, somebody based their opinion of KI:U solely on Yahtzee's review. They probably would have liked the game if they got past Yahtzee's ranting.

Yopaz:
Personally I liked Kid Icarus, but really, the controls were kinda terrible. If only they had taken use of the circle pad they could make it so much better.

THEY. DID. You can customize your controls so the reticle is controlled with the right circle pad.
That IS what you meant, right?

Cool I haven't played around with the options enough then. Thanks for telling me.

You know, listening to sports radio has made me realize that game fans and sports fans are eerily similar in the amount of idiocy and fanaticism they display.

Must be why EA Sports is able to be a money-printing dynamo dispite changing fuck-all in their games.

itsmeyouidiot:

I do sincerely enjoy these games, and I am confident enough that he isn't going to have a chance at affecting that. This isn't about insecurity, this is about the fact that Yahtzee continues to personally insult, directly or otherwise, anyone who doesn't agree with him.

I don't need to be reaffirmed for anything that I enjoy because Yahtzee attacks. If someone calls you a twat for liking something, the appropriate response is to punch his teeth out, not because you're insecure, but because the other guy is an asshole to you.

One of the biggest pieces of bullshit that every kid is fed in grade school is that you should just ignore bullies and they won't bother you. I was bullied my whole life until the end of middle school, and ignoring them didn't do a goddamned thing. Now I know that if someone acts like an asshole, the right thing to do is call them out on it.

Obviously you've learned nothing, because if Yahtzee is truly a bully as you say, then you're giving him exactly what he wants: attention. And the genius of the Internet is that it's actually far easier to avoid "bullies" like Yahtzee (the kind of bully who doesn't even speak directly to their intended target) by not even reading or listening to their criticisms. It's as simple as not even going on the site in this case, or avoiding the topics about it if you're so married to the Escapist.

The worst part is that you're still convinced it's personal, and that's by far the most laughable. Here's an idea. Have you ever given thought to the idea that he's doing so specifically to get a rise out of you all? That's not *good* journalism per se, but it's sure as hell an easy week's column work for a quick jillion views and comments, and all you're doing by complaining and indirectly threatening him with violence (very mature, by the way) is proving him right.

Buretsu:

OH, so this article was one big joke at Yahtzee's expense. Gotcha.

*sigh* A lot of Yahtzee's humor is hypocritical and self-deprecating. It takes actual contextual reading ability to cut through the treacle and see the message. The message in this article is "I have enjoyed Nintendo. I'm not enjoying them now, and this is why." Tearing each sentence apart to try to fuel your argument is not a good way to debate

You shouldn't have to use a stand to play a handheld game. End of discussion.

I don't read the comments obsessively, nor am I the target of their ire, so I haven't seen the fanboy bitching you have to go through- it baffles me that there are people who still insist on personal attacks when you raise (I think) reasonable criticisms.

I mean, even when you engaged in a bit of Pokemon bashing (a series of which I am an unapologetic fanboy), the most I could say in response was: "yeah, that's fair, but it doesn't impede my enjoyment of the property, so back to the game."

Zom-B:
*snip*

Warachia:
*snip*

SARCASM. DO. YOU. NOT. UNDERSTAND. Seriously, I cannot believe I have had to keep explaining this and how my whole point is being ignored in favor of misunderstanding an obvious joke.

trollpwner:

Capitano Segnaposto:

I truly hope this is a joke...

Sadly, it's the truth. He spends a minute in his video explaining it, this entire damn column going over it and yet this forum is still full of fanboys ardently insisting that he "IS TEH HATERSZ BIASSZSDSS OMG!!!1!!!" These nintendo fanboys just aren't listening to logic. Although as these people:

canadamus_prime:
SNIP

Yopaz:
SNIP

theultimateend:
SNIP

have been alarmingly quick to remind me, yes this applies to almost any foaming, radical fanboy. Such people are not thinking clearly or logically. They just have this little bit in ther brains going RAARGH RAARGH RAAGH, THIS PERSON DISAGREED WITH ME AND THIS IS BAAAD!!! Nobody who attempts to reason with them can win, because they just aren't speaking the same language.

Hm, weird. I am a fanboy of Nintendo, MLP, Doctor Who, so on and so forth and I don't do any of those things... well, I do tend to tell people to stop bitching about them, but that is about it >.<

Didn't think there were many of those Rabbid Maniacs (I dare not call them fans, they take it too far) that were located on Escapists. Many haters, that is for sure, but not many maniacs. Unless I have just been lucky enough to miss them.

IxHADOUKENxI:
I still don't get why EVERYONE jumps all over the Call of Duty franchise for "releasing the same game very year" when Nintendo have done nothing but this with: Mario, Zelda, Pokémon Etc, but they're allowed to get away with it.

Jesus god I really dislike Nintendo sometimes, I mean sure they sort of Innovated with the Wii and 3Ds but they don't work bloody well enough to really justify them existing
In short.
VALVe ftw..:3

Because stand alone Mario/Zelda/Metroid games come out at a rate of 1 or 2 per console. You have your Mario Parties, and other Mario games that come out more often, but that isn't the point. RIght now, Mario is their mascot, so why not just use him to make your own golf games or weird party games?

Mario:-------------------------Zelda:-------------------------Metroid:
------N64 - Mario 64-----------------N64 - Ocarina of Time------------N64 - None
------------Dr. Mario 64-------------------Majora's Mask--------------GC - Prime
------GC - Mario Sunshine-----------GC - Windwaker------------------------Echoes:Prime 2
------Wii - Mario Galaxy 1-----------------Twilight Princess----------Wii - Corruption:Prime 3
------------Mario Galaxy 2-----------Wii - Twilight Princess----------------Other M
-------------------------------------------Skyward Sword
With appearance in Yoshi games.

Capitano Segnaposto:

Hm, weird. I am a fanboy of Nintendo, MLP, Doctor Who, so on and so forth and I don't do any of those things... well, I do tend to tell people to stop bitching about them, but that is about it >.<

Didn't think there were many of those Rabbid Maniacs (I dare not call them fans, they take it too far) that were located on Escapists. Many haters, that is for sure, but not many maniacs. Unless I have just been lucky enough to miss them.

Well, y'know, not all fans are bad. But you do get the odd vochal minority.

EDIT: Captcha is not interested in me posting the lyrics to "amazing horse" to describe a brand. This make me sad.

AzrealMaximillion:
You shouldn't have to use a stand to play a handheld game. End of discussion.

Then don't use the stand. I didn't.

I have my own reasons to hate uprising; the chief among them the annoying-ass voice actor for pit, and the fact that he always pissed me off in brawl. (you can't defeat me!, OH IT IS ON MOTHERFUCKER.

The Crazy Legs:

thepyrethatburns:
My response to Yahtzee would be as follows:

Firstly, journalistic credibility? I know ZP has been very good to you but there's a point in which one starts believing one's own press a little too much. I would argue that nobody uses ZP or the Extra Punctuation columns to determine whether or not they will buy a game.

Hi there. I bought Dead Space 2 thanks to his review about it. I was considering whether or not I should buy it, then I watched his video and I did. And I enjoy it. ... and I'm horribly addicted to it (STOMPING ON DEAD BABIES IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!). Just... keep that in mind, okay? Haven't you ever gone into the comments of the ZP videos and saw someone say, "Well, I'm off to get this game now" or any variation of the phrase? I mean, really? No one but me (and that's still enough to invalidate your arguement) has ever decided to buy a game based on what they heard in Zero or Extra Punctuation? I doubt that.

Agreed. I based my purchases of just cause 2, Saints row 2, silent hill 2, and painkiller entirely on yahtzee's praise. So far I have yet to regret buying a single one.

Why would you bother replying to fanboys? They won't hear the reply unless it's you showering the game with praise.

I don't know why Nintendo gets these crazed fanboys, I love Metroid but after beating Metroid Other M I wanted to microwave the bloody disc, I knew it was going to be terrible but my friends (fanboys of nintendo) kept yelling to give the game a try. Waste of money.

The amount of rabidness in this thread is scary. Very scary.

...rabidness is a word right?

Seriously, we're talking about games here people. Less nostalgia-driven mouth-foaming rage-fests please!

Oh who am I kidding. Requesting people to chill in a topic like this is like trying to stop a raging elephant by throwing grapes at it.

BiH-Kira:

...and secondly insulting me and my journalistic credibility.

I laughed here quite a bit.
So you have the right to insult people calling them twats because they like a game you don't, insulting people who like motion controls and 3D, jet people aren't allowed to say anything back?

And you didn't have and journalistic credibility to begin with. The big majority of you fans watch you only for the humor, and not to see if they should buy the game. Those who do take your review seriously obviously don't know that you blow everything out of proportions and minor problems seem worse than dooms day. You do sometimes have good points, but unless someone actually played the game, he can't know if you exaggerated or if it's true. But usually it's you exaggerating as much as possible.

You called me a twat because I like the game. And this isn't the first time you insult people because they like games you don't like. No, not even don't like. Games you didn't play past the first 3 minutes. And that is especially the case in Nintendo games.

You ranted in the review of Skyward Sword how the controls didn't work, jet they worked perfectly fine unless you wave the Wiimote like a madman. Ya know, swords can't be precise and attack 20 times a second.

No matter how much a Zelda game changes, as long as it's a adventure game with Link, you will keep saying how it's the same game. Do you even know what the word "franchise" means? I don't think it means what you think it means.

Motion controls work find and can add to the game. True, not every game should have them, but Skyward Sword worked perfectly with them. Games like Red Steel 2 wouldn't even exist without motion controls. All the problems that you have with motion controls aren't caused by the controls but by the developer who can't think of anything creative and useful.

In the last video you wasted half a review just to explain how you are NOT against Nintendo and than proceed to bash Nintendo more than the game.

3D jokes aren't funny anymore. The 3D works fine and is actually useful in the game. The 3D has a much wider field of view than you give it credit. You can walk, sit in the bus, even jump and see the 3D without any problems.

The controls are clumsy at first, but you can get easily used to it and you don't need the fucking stand. It seems to me just that people hand coordination is so fucked up that if they ever needed to survive 5 days on their own, 99% of the human population would die because they would kill them self because they couldn't control their hands while keeping a knife in it.
Did you ever tried to just place your pinky finger behind the 3DS? The fixes EVERY problem there is with the controls. EVERY!

Every other problem would be caused by your inability to move different fingers at will. Or if you're a lefty.

Maybe they could have made the controls better, maybe not. It all depends on how you like them. But fact is, they aren't as bad as you make them to be and you can change them. But no, you couldn't make bad jokes if you said that.

Stop trying justifying your bias and just say you're biased and that's it. No one will give a second fuck about it and people will proceed yo laugh at you "reviews".

Ooooh looks like someone pinched a nerve. You do realize that when you make such unfounded attacks it just tells everyone that you have absolutely no tolerance for being told you are wrong? Look, I used to be a Nintendo fanboy. I defended the wii, I attacked the 360 and the PS3 despite their arguably superior games libraries. I even loved (and still do) Smash brothers brawl. But by the time I saw that review I had already lost faith in Nintendo myself. I didn't attack Yahtzee for his opinion, after all brawl takes forever to get into, and all he had was a week. I didn't attack him because I got out of fanboydom. It's not too late for you to escape as well.

I can see why some people may think that yahtzee has a bias against nintendo, I do not think that he does just that he goes over the top when talking about his displeasure with the company. Ofcourse there are also a lot of nintendo fanboys im huessing due to the fact that many people were rasied playing their products so they feel loyal to the company, I do not blame them for defending what they like. I personally do not blame nintendo for making a lot of the same franchises, I mean why fix what aint broke they have fans and they make money everyone is happy. Its easier to just not get involved.

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