Kid Icarus: Uprising and Hurt Nintendo Fans

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Revnak:

Zom-B:
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Warachia:
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SARCASM. DO. YOU. NOT. UNDERSTAND. Seriously, I cannot believe I have had to keep explaining this and how my whole point is being ignored in favor of misunderstanding an obvious joke.

Okay, WHERE in the statement I quoted is it obvious that it was sarcasm and not a Nintendo fanboy defending them? I'm not saying you are, I am saying you left nothing in there to tip me off that that it was not genuine.

Thank you captcha, his response will be my "ear candy". Who makes these things?

Buretsu:

Warachia:
in the end, it boils down to his opinion, which is why it's ridiculous that people would try telling him that his opinion was wrong.

Except, to be fair, Yahtzee called Kid Icarus: Uprising a "shit game for twats" so he's being rather hypocritical.

He's being hypocritical... by saying a game he doesn't like is terrible? Help me out here, because I can't quite follow your logic.

The captcha seems to think you should listen to his arguments again because: "you're not listening"
The machine uprising will start with botchecks on the internet apparently.

Warachia:

Revnak:

Zom-B:
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Warachia:
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SARCASM. DO. YOU. NOT. UNDERSTAND. Seriously, I cannot believe I have had to keep explaining this and how my whole point is being ignored in favor of misunderstanding an obvious joke.

Okay, WHERE in the statement I quoted is it obvious that it was sarcasm and not a Nintendo fanboy defending them? I'm not saying you are, I am saying you left nothing in there to tip me off that that it was not genuine.

Thank you captcha, his response will be my "ear candy". Who makes these things?

The opening sentence was a joke. A JOKE. If you had taken the time to read the next page you'd have seen I had already had to explain this to somebody. I cannot believe that people are still honestly taking that sentence seriously. The rest of my comment is hardly even about Yahtzee for fuck's sake, it's about the morons who were assuming that none of the people who played Kid Icarus actually liked it or thought it was good, that they were in denial.

Oh Yahtzee, I disagreed with you but said nothing. You foolish fool, you gave into them.
You gave into them!

I made an account just to say this Yahtzee! Also I'm invigorated by the knowledge that you read comments! Why are you letting this get to you? Fanboys are always gonna whine about bias, the only reason Nintendo fanboys are doing it so much these days is because they have lots of time to, because they've finished Skyward Sword and almost nothing else has come out for the Wii in nearly a year. Seriously. Look at the Wikipedia list of Wii games ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Wii_games ). Nintendo still makes great first party games on their own, but they're too infrequent now, and the third party support for their systems (at least outside of Japan) is just tripe, so fanboys rabidly defend whatever crumbs they get dropped.

That said, the word from most other reviewers is that Kid Icarus is actually ok (not spectacular), although the general consensus is with you on the controls. You might be a little too hard on problematic control schemes, Yahtzee, this was my main disagreement with you on Arkham City (although the rest of your criticisms were totally spot on I think).

The Crazy Legs:
Hi there. I bought Dead Space 2 thanks to his review about it. I was considering whether or not I should buy it, then I watched his video and I did. And I enjoy it. ... and I'm horribly addicted to it (STOMPING ON DEAD BABIES IS SO MUCH FUN!!!!). Just... keep that in mind, okay? Haven't you ever gone into the comments of the ZP videos and saw someone say, "Well, I'm off to get this game now" or any variation of the phrase? I mean, really? No one but me (and that's still enough to invalidate your arguement) has ever decided to buy a game based on what they heard in Zero or Extra Punctuation? I doubt that.

Yeah, seriously.

Yahtzee's negative reviews have often caused me to buy a game. I wouldn't have even known Nier existed if not for Yahtzee hating it, and I certainly wouldn't have given Prince of Persia a try. Or Assassins Creed II. Faffing about is the FUN part of AC. ^^ Or Mass Effect 2 (as a PS3 player, I had no access to ME1). Or more recently LA Noire and Deus Ex.

Or, indeed, Skyrim, Saint's Row 2, and Just Cause 2. Although those were fairly positive reviews. The point still stands.

Yahtzee hates JRPGs. I love them. His points about annoying micromanagement or spiky-haired emo-characters makes me sit up and pay attention, because if he hated something because it reminded him of a JRPG, then I will probably like it.

On the other hand, if he liked something because it was scary or difficult, then I'm probably not buying it. Unless it's a block-pushing puzzle game, but then I'd already bought, played, and beaten Catherine before he reviewed.

Anyway... just wanted to chime in with that.

Revnak:

Warachia:

Okay, WHERE in the statement I quoted is it obvious that it was sarcasm and not a Nintendo fanboy defending them? I'm not saying you are, I am saying you left nothing in there to tip me off that that it was not genuine.

Thank you captcha, his response will be my "ear candy". Who makes these things?

The opening sentence was a joke. A JOKE. If you had taken the time to read the next page you'd have seen I had already had to explain this to somebody. I cannot believe that people are still honestly taking that sentence seriously. The rest of my comment is hardly even about Yahtzee for fuck's sake, it's about the morons who were assuming that none of the people who played Kid Icarus actually liked it or thought it was good, that they were in denial.

See, the problem is that there ARE people who have posted things like that (or even dumber things) and really meant them, another problem is that when you snip somebodies quote, I have no idea what part of my quote or your quote you are referring to, I didn't know if you meant your whole first comment was sarcasm or just the beginning bit, another thing that made me think it wasn't sarcasm was having a genuine bit underneath a sarcastic bit without acknowledging that they are meant to be separate, this is text only, I can't tell tone or intended speech unless they are added, which is why your comment can easily be misinterpreted.

While I did love Kid Icarus, I did cramp up a few times in that game, and it HURT. I agree with Yahtzee here but it was still fun, and funny.

gadjo:

Ooooh looks like someone pinched a nerve. You do realize that when you make such unfounded attacks it just tells everyone that you have absolutely no tolerance for being told you are wrong? Look, I used to be a Nintendo fanboy. I defended the wii, I attacked the 360 and the PS3 despite their arguably superior games libraries. I even loved (and still do) Smash brothers brawl. But by the time I saw that review I had already lost faith in Nintendo myself. I didn't attack Yahtzee for his opinion, after all brawl takes forever to get into, and all he had was a week. I didn't attack him because I got out of fanboydom. It's not too late for you to escape as well.

Sir, for your own sake, I should tell you that "looks like someone pinched a nerve" is barely more respectable a retort than "U mad?" However good your response is, prefacing it with that doesn't do you any favors at all.

And I have to ask: what part of that post are you referring to with the term "unfounded attack"?

The funny thing is that this entire topic has become Yahtzee fanboys vs. Nintendo fanboys now.

I don't get people who argue against subjective views. There is only merit to argue if the presenter has facts wrong. Then there are also people who get worked up about what they say is "nothing" to them.

On a Young Turks video, Cenk was commenting on how Thomas & Friends was a capitalist wet dream, commenting on it as he had to sit and watch it with his two-year-old daughter, except he called the titular character "Thomas the Train", which is incorrect, both according to the story and in the technical sense. Thomas is locomotive, an engine, specifically, a tank engine. He never was or ever will be a train. He can be PART of a train, coupled to coaches and/or trucks.

A lot of people, including myself, don't see how Cenk thought Thomas & Friends was Capitalist, and we all commented. In my mind, the railway is nearly the farthest mode of transportation from pure capitalism, as it is one of the most economical mode of mass-transportation. If it was a show about private cars, then perhaps.

Back to my original point.

A lot of people, including myself, also pointed out the mistake of calling the character "Thomas the Train". I don't know about the others, but I grew up watching it, it is a part of my earliest childhood memories, and I want to defend it, for lack of a better word. Then this obnoxious (subjective opinion) guy kicks up a fuss about why there are so many people grumbling about getting facts wrong about a children's television show, obviously thinking it trivial. So I countered--twice, asking why he bothers to keep answering back at us commentators, swearing and all, if he finds it so unimportant? He is shooting himself in the foot. With an uzi. I asked him for his busniess card, borrowing one of Yahtzee's earlier jokes--the professional troll. Of course, true to being an internet troll, he threw the insult right back at me. I stayed civil, and posted my last comment, explaining for the last time, why I did what I did, and have him think about the irony of him jumping up and down about something that is suppose to be beneath him.

By the way, Yahtzee, if you see this, you probably have had a lot of people telling you this, but "Gaiden" in "Ninja Gaiden" is pronounced "Guy-den", not "Gay-den". It is Japanese, after all. See your fellow internet game reviewer Angry Video Game Nerd's review on Ninja Gaiden for details. If you have been made painfully aware of this, I apologise for worsening your gamefan-induced headache.

I find the lack of appreciation for Yahtzee's work despicable. He has a subjective opinion. He express it. He does it in a humourous way, to provide fun to his viewers. In return, he gets bashed for his own feelings, which are neither right or wrong. This guy has put in hours of work every week, trying to think of funny things to say about games, and he does it well. Not everybody will find it funny, but many do. I don't laugh at all the jokes, but I still think the reviews are good. His jokes are just a way of interpreting what he experienced and observed. I think a lot of people out there are taking his jokes too seriously. Just watch, chuckle at his jokes, and move on.

I would like to point out that the stand couldn't have been some last minute edition because nobody realized the controls were bad until it was too late. The exact same control scheme was used in Metroid Prime: Hunters for the DS. They either knew that it was bad all along, or they never realized it. Either way, Nintendo loves peripherals so they decided to include another one.

Revnak:

Zom-B:
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Warachia:
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SARCASM. DO. YOU. NOT. UNDERSTAND. Seriously, I cannot believe I have had to keep explaining this and how my whole point is being ignored in favor of misunderstanding an obvious joke.

Perhaps you don't realize that tone, inflection, facial expressions and all the other non-verbal cues that humans use to denote sarcasm does not translate to text? Oh, OF COURSE you do, because you're so SMART. *rolls eyes*

Yahtzee Croshaw:
Kid Icarus: Uprising and Hurt Nintendo Fans

A man with a hat like Yahtzee can't have biases.

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Ben, Buddy, lemme drop some knowledge on you.

reasoning with fanboys of any flavor, is.not.possible

regardless of your own (rather well stated i might add) opinion all that will matter to those backwards thinking neanderthals is you bashed a game/company they love above all else and well, you know the result

Yeah, fanboys of any sort cannot be reasoned with. Whatever you have to say about their favorite game, book, sport, or reviewer, it will be seen as an attack, and you will be labeled an idiot, attacker, or fanboy yourself.

Eh... I enjoyed it. And I didn't even need the stand. Granted, my hands got a little cramped after a while, and I had to shake some life into them... Okay, that probably wasn't a very good endorsement. If it's any consolation, I also had fun with Rayman Origins, and I get hand cramps (and high blood pressure) from playing that game. By this point, I've realized that, odds are, Yahtzee is NOT going to like anything I like, and if he does, then it's a rare exception. Besides, isn't he entitled to what he does and doesn't like?

Jailbird408:
Laugh at these comments all you like, but somewhere, somebody based their opinion of KI:U solely on Yahtzee's review. They probably would have liked the game if they got past Yahtzee's ranting.

Yopaz:
Personally I liked Kid Icarus, but really, the controls were kinda terrible. If only they had taken use of the circle pad they could make it so much better.

THEY. DID. You can customize your controls so the reticle is controlled with the right circle pad.
That IS what you meant, right?

Not according to this.

Standing by Kid Icarus' control scheme, Sakurai said his team pushed the 3DS to its limits when developing the game, and that including an option for the Circle Pad Pro was a technical impossibility. Sakurai also stated that offering multiple control schemes would more than likely unbalance its' multiplayer, as the 3DS' stylus allows players to aim more quickly than using a circle pad.

No alternative control schemes using the circle pad pro but you know, Sakurai probably doesn't know what he's talking about. You can use the circle pad pro with the game, but it only does the same as the normal circle pad. There's no option to move with the left and aim with the right. You can move with the left and move with the right. Really, thanks for getting my hopes up there.

haha, its funny because nintendo stopped making games relevant to my intesrests 10 years ago.

I just feel like throwing the Art Style series of games on the Wii Shop out there. They're all really good if a bit short, but always innovative in their own way. Heck Cubello used motion controls and it worked out pretty well, and Orbient only used 2 buttons. If you want an innovative game on a Nintendo console, the Art Style games are sure to always be different.

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AzrealMaximillion:
You shouldn't have to use a stand to play a handheld game. End of discussion.

Then don't use the stand. I didn't.

Still shouldn't have the crap controls. The stand shouldn't be there period. They should've fixed the controls for better gameplay not given out a piece of plastic to compensate.

AzrealMaximillion:

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AzrealMaximillion:
You shouldn't have to use a stand to play a handheld game. End of discussion.

Then don't use the stand. I didn't.

Still shouldn't have the crap controls. The stand shouldn't be there period. They should've fixed the controls for better gameplay not given out a piece of plastic to compensate.

When I said I didn't use the stand, I should have specified that I used the base controls without the stand and did fine. You say the game shouldn't have crap controls, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't. As far as I can tell, the stand is there to try to placate people who were going to argue about the controls. But all it did was become a target.

Draconalis:
Wait... he actually reads comments?

I refuse to believe it.

Clearly you have never seen the episode of zero punctuation where he spends the entire length of the video responding to all the hate he got for his criticism of Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

Zetatrain:

Clearly you have never seen the episode of zero punctuation where he spends the entire length of the video responding to all the hate he got for his criticism of Super Smash Brothers Brawl.

Those were responses to e-mails, not forum posts.

I would so buy a Zelda game with a motor scooter...

Wait I think I missed the point.

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gadjo:

Ooooh looks like someone pinched a nerve. You do realize that when you make such unfounded attacks it just tells everyone that you have absolutely no tolerance for being told you are wrong? Look, I used to be a Nintendo fanboy. I defended the wii, I attacked the 360 and the PS3 despite their arguably superior games libraries. I even loved (and still do) Smash brothers brawl. But by the time I saw that review I had already lost faith in Nintendo myself. I didn't attack Yahtzee for his opinion, after all brawl takes forever to get into, and all he had was a week. I didn't attack him because I got out of fanboydom. It's not too late for you to escape as well.

Sir, for your own sake, I should tell you that "looks like someone pinched a nerve" is barely more respectable a retort than "U mad?" However good your response is, prefacing it with that doesn't do you any favors at all.

And I have to ask: what part of that post are you referring to with the term "unfounded attack"?

While I will admit that I could have chosen a better opening line than that, it does differ from the "u mad?" comment in that it implies that he was making his attacks because something Yahtzee said got a rise out of him, not because he had any legitimate points to make. So far as unfounded attacks go, claiming someone like Yahtzee has no journalistic integrity, and that no one takes his reviews seriously, is rather unfounded given the many games he has allowed himself to be surprised by, and the large number of comments by people who were influenced to buy a game because of Yahtzee's review. Honestly, I just think the guy has a vendetta from when he reviewed brawl

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AzrealMaximillion:

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Then don't use the stand. I didn't.

Still shouldn't have the crap controls. The stand shouldn't be there period. They should've fixed the controls for better gameplay not given out a piece of plastic to compensate.

When I said I didn't use the stand, I should have specified that I used the base controls without the stand and did fine. You say the game shouldn't have crap controls, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't. As far as I can tell, the stand is there to try to placate people who were going to argue about the controls. But all it did was become a target.

There's no excuse for a game that has controls that a) physically hurt to use over a short period of time and b)essentially ruin the 'handheld' part of a handheld game. You say you played the game without the stand and enjoyed it. Good for you, but that's your opinion. Not everyone enjoyed it clearly. It's not like Yahtzee is bashing the stand without playing the game, he played it and hated it. As did I. It literally hurts to play Kid Icarus for an extended period of time and there's no excuse or opinion you can come up with that makes that acceptable.

You should not have to package a stand with a handheld game. Period. Your experience with the game or not, that defeats the purpose of a handheld game. If you can't play a handheld game comfortably on let's say, a road trip in a car, then the controls should have been fixed. No questions asked. There's your opinion, my and my opinion, but I'm trying not to argue opinions because that's not what this issue is about. I'm arguing about the concept of a "handheld game" being designed with the "handheld" concept being thrown out the window for no good reason. I don't think you can argue that this game could have been done with better controls to prevent the need to sell it with a stand.

Im probably niave and stupid, but I thought it was obvious that Yahtzee put his job before a game itself. His dedication to giving a balanced argument is evidence of that. Yahtzee does put quality before quantity, but to be embroiled in a console war when the whole point of a game is to be fun and entertaining is just...silly. As for kid icarus, it should be the game that counts, not the ppl behind it. Doesnt an artist want you to admire his work rather than his clothes?

AzrealMaximillion:

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AzrealMaximillion:
Still shouldn't have the crap controls. The stand shouldn't be there period. They should've fixed the controls for better gameplay not given out a piece of plastic to compensate.

When I said I didn't use the stand, I should have specified that I used the base controls without the stand and did fine. You say the game shouldn't have crap controls, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't. As far as I can tell, the stand is there to try to placate people who were going to argue about the controls. But all it did was become a target.

There's no excuse for a game that has controls that a) physically hurt to use over a short period of time and b)essentially ruin the 'handheld' part of a handheld game. You say you played the game without the stand and enjoyed it. Good for you, but that's your opinion. Not everyone enjoyed it clearly. It's not like Yahtzee is bashing the stand without playing the game, he played it and hated it. As did I. It literally hurts to play Kid Icarus for an extended period of time and there's no excuse or opinion you can come up with that makes that acceptable.

You should not have to package a stand with a handheld game. Period. Your experience with the game or not, that defeats the purpose of a handheld game. If you can't play a handheld game comfortably on let's say, a road trip in a car, then the controls should have been fixed. No questions asked. There's your opinion, my and my opinion, but I'm trying not to argue opinions because that's not what this issue is about. I'm arguing about the concept of a "handheld game" being designed with the "handheld" concept being thrown out the window for no good reason. I don't think you can argue that this game could have been done with better controls to prevent the need to sell it with a stand.

How in the Hell are you holding it to make it hurt when you play it?

I'm dead serious here, I have no idea how to relate to what you're saying here.

I mean, when I first played it, I was holding the 3DS in such a way that the lower-left corner dug into my palm a bit, but that was entirely my mistake. I soon learned a more comfortable way to do it. But that isn't what I'm hearing. I'm hearing stories about peoples' hands cramping up. I honestly have no idea how one would hold it to make their hand do that. Like, is it how you hold the stylus, or is your left hand the one doing it?

Seriously. No games. Not a drop of sarcasm here. I honestly want to know. It's driving me nuts.

But even if I am truly in the minority for finding the default controls fine, (and I still think it's not so much that as it is certain forums drawing certain people) at the end of the day, they're only the default, in a game with a more strongly customizable control scheme than I've seen in quite some time for a game not on the computer. The controls can be mapped to a relatively large number of configurations, some of which would require the stand, and some of which would not. Hell, you don't even need to involve the touch screen at all, potentially. There is a difference between the controls being bad, and not clicking with the default controls. I believe that the latter is what is going on.

Finally, unless I forgot something, Yahtzee was mainly saying that he's uncomfortable when he's using the stand, due to the way he sits down when playing it.

Mausenheimmer:
Considering that Nintendo just posted their first full year loss, I think the market has proven Yahtzee right. Nintendo's games haven't been as good lately and have relied increasingly on gimmicky controls rather than sound design.

and playing on the nostalgia card by re-releasing the same tripe without any innovation, except maybe 1 new thing thrown in.

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Finally, unless I forgot something, Yahtzee was mainly saying that he's uncomfortable when he's using the stand, due to the way he sits down when playing it.

Em no thats certaintly not his main point. \/

Yahtzee Croshaw:

Remember saying when the 3DS came out, it's ridiculous that a hand-held, a device whose titular selling point is its ability to be held in one's hands and played with in all kinds of places and angles, should possess a gimmick that only works if you keep the thing held in one specific spot relative to your head. I said that they should bring out a Nintendo-branded peripheral that bolts the thing to your skull with a steel brace. I didn't expect them to actually do something like that, but that's what the stand basically is. Good luck using your stand to play Kid Icarus on the bus, or secretly with the device in your lap so the teacher can't see.

Then don't use the blasted stand.

I agree that they shouldn't have made the thing.

Because no amount of convenience offered by it is worth arguments like this.

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AzrealMaximillion:

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When I said I didn't use the stand, I should have specified that I used the base controls without the stand and did fine. You say the game shouldn't have crap controls, and as far as I can tell, it doesn't. As far as I can tell, the stand is there to try to placate people who were going to argue about the controls. But all it did was become a target.

There's no excuse for a game that has controls that a) physically hurt to use over a short period of time and b)essentially ruin the 'handheld' part of a handheld game. You say you played the game without the stand and enjoyed it. Good for you, but that's your opinion. Not everyone enjoyed it clearly. It's not like Yahtzee is bashing the stand without playing the game, he played it and hated it. As did I. It literally hurts to play Kid Icarus for an extended period of time and there's no excuse or opinion you can come up with that makes that acceptable.

You should not have to package a stand with a handheld game. Period. Your experience with the game or not, that defeats the purpose of a handheld game. If you can't play a handheld game comfortably on let's say, a road trip in a car, then the controls should have been fixed. No questions asked. There's your opinion, my and my opinion, but I'm trying not to argue opinions because that's not what this issue is about. I'm arguing about the concept of a "handheld game" being designed with the "handheld" concept being thrown out the window for no good reason. I don't think you can argue that this game could have been done with better controls to prevent the need to sell it with a stand.

How in the Hell are you holding it to make it hurt when you play it?

I'm dead serious here, I have no idea how to relate to what you're saying here.

I mean, when I first played it, I was holding the 3DS in such a way that the lower-left corner dug into my palm a bit, but that was entirely my mistake. I soon learned a more comfortable way to do it. But that isn't what I'm hearing. I'm hearing stories about peoples' hands cramping up. I honestly have no idea how one would hold it to make their hand do that. Like, is it how you hold the stylus, or is your left hand the one doing it?

Seriously. No games. Not a drop of sarcasm here. I honestly want to know. It's driving me nuts.

But even if I am truly in the minority for finding the default controls fine, (and I still think it's not so much that as it is certain forums drawing certain people) at the end of the day, they're only the default, in a game with a more strongly customizable control scheme than I've seen in quite some time for a game not on the computer. The controls can be mapped to a relatively large number of configurations, some of which would require the stand, and some of which would not. Hell, you don't even need to involve the touch screen at all, potentially. There is a difference between the controls being bad, and not clicking with the default controls. I believe that the latter is what is going on.

Finally, unless I forgot something, Yahtzee was mainly saying that he's uncomfortable when he's using the stand, due to the way he sits down when playing it.

You keep pshng your experience with the game like it's going to change my mind here. I'm not arguing that the game didn't hurt you. I'm arguing that as a handheld game, the game's controls should reflect that concept and play like a handheld game, not a game that some people may have to sit at a table to play. It shouldn't be a handheld game that isn't comfortable to play while in a vehicle. It shouldn't be a handheld game that throws away the very idea of what a handheld game should be.

The game should have been made with comfortable controls right off the bat to ensure the game would not have a need for a stand peripheral(for a freaking handheld). It's a 3DS not an iPad damn it. You can argue that YOU didn't have problems playing the game all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that this control scheme has been criticized before. YOU may not have had an issue playing without the stand, but the debate isn't about specifically you or others who didn't have trouble with the controls. The issue that I'm arguing is that the controls are as bad as they are in the first place, even with complaints about how this control scheme was harped on 6 years ago on Metroid Prime hunters.

I game with a group of friend (tabletop, yo) on Friday nights. We tried a new board game recently. They all loved it, I didn't care for it. We played it three times at about an hour each. After the last game I said, "I don't really care to play that one again."

Comments were "Oh you just don't like board games." "You didn't give it a chance!" "You would like it if x y z blah blah."

Look, I played the damn thing three times. We all had the same experience. I didn't like it. At what point am I allowed to decide if I like a thing or not? If I played it five times? Seven? If I made it a daily routine to play it for a year? It was a co-op game and we "won" every time so it isn't like I was butthurt because I lost.

I get the same sense with this article. People, he played the game, he didn't like it. Just because you do like it, that doesn't mean he is just dismissing it out of hand. I think he did a great job of explaining WHY he didn't like the game. If he really just had an anti-nintendo bias he A. Wouldn't play it in the first place and B. Wouldn't be able to come up with concrete reasons for disliking it.

People like different things. Getting mad because someone doesn't agree with you is nonsense. Take it for what it is worth and move on.

And I want to know how people are holding such that the default controls are uncomfortable while playing without the stand. Because I don't freaking understand. Please, help me out here.

It seems that thoughts on the game are split dramatically between people who see the stand as a necessity, and people who refuse to use it. I can't speak for anyone else, I understand. I mainly refused to use the stand because I was sick of people complaining about the stand before the game was even released. Maybe things would have gone differently if I had started with the stand, but I cannot be sure.

So that's why I'm asking.

And I don't understand why the experiences of people who did not have problems are any less valid than the experiences of people who did have problems.

As to Metroid Prime Hunters, I never really played that game much, but I thought there were people around here saying that that game had very few critics bring up the controls as an issue, despite having nearly the same scheme. I might be wrong (I need to look up those reviews myself), but if that's true, it just makes me think more that it's the presence of the blasted stand that's causing this rift in the first place.

Honestly? I don't think I should even really continue discussing it. It's become clear that the split is so profound that a reconciliation really can't be reached. Yahtzee had his own experience with the game, and his threads attract like-minded people. I guess that's just how it goes.

I enjoyed Kid Icarus, I still am, and I still love Yahtzee's review of it. I don't care about changing his opinion and I assume that he doesn't lose sleep over whether he changed my opinion of the game.

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